So, here is what I switched to after dropping adobe about 4 years ago. 1. Hitfilm, Davinci Resolve for video editing. 2. Audacity for Audio Editing. 3. Moho and Blender for animation. I used to do a lot of motion graphics work. You could also use Unreal Engine to replace alot of VFX stuff from After effects. 5. Affinity Suit. I mostly use designer. Good luck.
@@LV4EVRi also tryed with af 1.0 but idk if af designer got an auto tracer vector feature in latest update 2.x like Adobe Illustrator has, and good gen fill like Ps. And i didnt founf such thing like adobe fonts in af suite, i hope things get better with canva adquisition, krita is also a good alternative and has an open source gen fill plugin, and for me Pr is obsolete i use Capcut or Clipchamp, for Ae i didnt found a good alternative because i don't like DaVinci Resolve workflow
To which I found it quite ironic that today, I looked at my email and Affinity had sent me an email for 50% off of everything, all of their applications and other content! Yes, folks, today is the day we embrace the competition that Adobe finally has (and has conveniently forgotten about).
The whole "Click agree to accept the TOS, if you close this page or disagree you will lose access to your content" was pretty much a ransomware attack. Scumbags.
"Hi, Police, I've been hacked and they're holding my data to ransom....Yes I can tell you exactly where the hackers are. The address is Adobe Inc...." Seriously though, they need to change this whole "agree, or I hope you have an offline backup" thing, or this should be explicitly made a criminal offense.
Is just wrong, I never liked uploading my content to their cloud anyway, but I dont have clear if they can still access your content even if it lives in your local drive.
I ask the same question about taxes. Didnt I pay taxes when I bought the thing? Didnt the business pay taxes on the employee? Isn’t the employee paying taxes on their earnings? Why is everybody paying taxes every time there’s a transaction? Unless maybe we don’t own a single thing.
@@sunbleachedangel The fact that they can doesn't mean that they should. I personally really wish they'll eventually go bancrupt and leave all of the developers to work on projects that don't treat their userbase like livestock
@@tylergooden2183 - This is why I think property taxes should be outlawed. Taxing a transaction is fine - but when you just sit there and do nothing (aside from growing your own food on your own land), there should be no taxes involved.
I stopped "upgrading" Photoshop after it became a "cloud-only" product... Not because I didn't like what they were doing with it, but because I was afraid of what they COULD do after you needed permanent access (and permission to use) their servers. And looks like I happened to be right.
right? when did adobe goes subscription-only again? like back in 2012. Im amazed they were able to wait this long before pulling this stunt. I think a lot of people are waking up to the bullshit that the subscription model really is. And honestly, 95% of my work could still be done on CS6 without breaking a sweat. Most of the 'updates' for the past 12 years have been useless nothing burgers.
“Please give us unfettered access to all your content” “To train your AI?” “No……” “To profit off of it by selling and/or redistributing it as though it were your own work?” “Perish the thought” “Then why do you need unfettered access to everyone’s content?” “Oh, you know……. reasons.” And they expect us to trust them 🙄
For the safety and security of your data, the children and to improve your user experience and ability to be manipulated by and with our ad and corporate partners........ Wait I mean the children :)
I thought this what people are protesting the government for doing. How come it is okay for adobe to do it, and charge you for it. People are hypocrites and stupid as well.
never believe any private Monopoly that claims it needs to limit your free Expression under the blanket excuse that it's to prevent "Risk/Harm". ...the only people they ever protect is Investors and Access Journalism. Everyone else is virtue-fodder
Honestly it feels like their products are always on sale! Maybe it was planned or a mere coincidence, but I’m pretty sure they put things on sale every summer anyway.
@@PixelBlight if you use the adobe suite then get universal. if you actually design then get designer, its like illustrator and PS in one. if you need a fuller version of PS then get photo. if you use PS for art using brushes and filters you're better off with clip studio paint, but they have their own prices per service.
Notice that Adobe specifically mentions Firefly AI by name, but they don't say a damn thing about any other gen AI models they probably have brewing in their R&D department.
Installed Krita yesterday and took a good part of the day setting it up to my preference and discovering a lot of hidden functionality. It's a lot more powerful than it seems at first glance. Also, I can confidently say that the brushes it comes with will be the only brushes I will ever need!
Krita is the beast switched from Photoshop years ago, never looked back, in some regards it's way ahead, when it comes to text is not that great, but it will be OP with 5.3 update.
Technically you can still save the project in your drive and send it by other means, like google drive or similar. The issue comes from using their cloud service and certain tools, specially those that use AI, as those send the files to Adobe's server for processing.
Yeah if I were legal counsel for any large corp that uses Adobe or has contractors who do, I would look very carefully at this. As soon as a few Fortune 500 companies ban Adobe, they’ll change their tune.
In Germany we have a saying: The dogs bark and the caravan moves on. In other words, Adobe alienates a few people who complain (loudly), but the masses just carry on. If Adobe is to change, it has to really hurt. But really, really, really hurt.
I read this saying in Dutch (yes, I'm not confusing it with 'Deutch' and know the difference 😊) in a "Kuifje" (Tintin) comic book about 35 years ago. In 'Cokes in Voorraad' it's used as a password: "De honden blaffen en de karavaan trekt voorbij." It was a long forgotten memory that stuck out to me at the time that you not only unlocked, but also explained. Thank you for that. Danke 😊
Adobe can take a hike I have had enough of this BS not just from Adobe, but Google, Roku and other companies that think they own the customer. So unless we all take a stand they will continue down this path. Cancelled everything Adobe just now and moved to Affinity Photo, Publisher and Design and also purchased DXO. Yes I will need to learn these but its worth kicking Adobe out of my life forever. I have had enough of this. My clients have been told to expect some delays because of my move but they understand the overall privacy issue that affects everyone.
I abandon finally Adobe back in 2019 for Krita as a Digital Artist. Krita is a little powerhouse of a program, hope this get's Krita more people from this Adobe debacle. I was very annoyed in University when my teachers had never heard of Krita or SAI and just insisted we kept "loyal" to adobe, I wonder how those teachers are reacting now. Also Blender, Inkscape, great as well.
We need laws- that prevent such Terms of Service that allow them to use or exploit your creations, from existing, without your express permission, and never as a requirement to use a paid product.
To bad Adobe has already greased over the politicians along with other scummy companies to prevent such laws from existing all thanks to political bribery..er.. I mean corporate lobbying.
It's ridiculous how they state that Adobe doesn't use customer content to train AI, only to then elaborate that they use licensed content that, according to the new changes, may also include customer content.
I Think the big point that is getting overlooked a lot is that Adobe stock sellers also thought they were just using Adobe stock as a platform to sell their content, and that their content was only meant to to be used for that purpose. Then Adobe used a legal term in the contract that was even less intrusive than these terms as an excuse to use all Adobe stock to train their AI.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I've spent the past decade being practical, realizing that nothing I produce is particularly interesting or useful to criminal hackers or to corporate data mining operations, and seeing any form of resistance as a futile, symbolic gesture, that's going to cause me aggravation without accomplishing anything. But I guess there are limits to my pragmatism. This isn't about Adobe, for me; Adobe just happens to be the final straw. So yesterday I unsubscribed from my Adobe license, deleted all their products, and am test driving alternatives, including free alternatives. The next one on the chopping block is Windows, depending on what happens with the Recall feature. They're getting such massive blowback that I'm willing to give them a couple of months to do the right thing, but I have a sinking feeling that my daily life is going to get harder when I conclude that I need to switch to Linux. As a 22 year veteran at Microsoft, and someone who has written code for older versions of Windows (who knows, maybe a few lines have even survived to the present), this comes at some emotional cost; but I'm just done with it all. The American experiment has failed, money is the only thing that matters, and any rights we might have once had are now contingent at best. I don't see anything stopping corporations from commoditizing our lives, at least in America; the EU has been much more active in looking out for the human rights of their citizens, though they're a long way from perfect. So even though I still think it's a quixotic gesture, I'm just finished swallowing these invasive indignities, when there's an even halfway usable alternative.
" depending on what happens with the Recall feature " we all know what will happen, they got caught this time, as soon as people forget about it they will try again. And again. And again. Until they get what they want. All corporations follow this same cycle, and they have gotten away with it, that's why we are where we are today.
I don't think Adobe could care less... They know they have a major foothold in many business operations and they won't switch as easily as it would need retraining a lot of people, hiring other people... etc..
Agreed, I don't see them losing any corporate customers, the smaller customers will exit stage left and hopefully the open-source alternatives will experience a boom.
I dont think million dollar corporations want to give away their trade secrets to adobe, especially for free, to train up their competitors. If they want to stay million dollar corporations that is.
@@blacksage81 A hobbyist has not much to lose and might not care too much. But professionals could lose their jobs to an AI that they fed and paid for themselves via a cloud service.
@@blacksage81 I think it's the other way around, I doubt all the IP crazy corpos will be happy with basicaly giving their IP for free just to use a software, considering how much money they are willing to spend constantly to protect their IPs.
Canceled my adobe this AM. I can’t risk my clients while it’s so vague. They are supposed to call me back to answer my questions but no one has 😂😂😂 they must be busy today.
I don't have a subscription anymore but I'm glad people are cancelling and telling them why. It will stop them and others from trying this kind of thing in the future. Ideally legislation needs to catch up with this brave new world to regulate these AI cowboys and their dystopian wild west.
I predicted that any/all cloud/internet based software/storage company would be doing this a long time ago.. It's amazing to see the masses still uploading their stuff and think they have control over it.
This is probably another example of the "too big to fail" thing. Adobe is everywhere and companies are not gonna pack up and leave just to spend shit tons of money to train the employees for a new set of tools. There will be a lot of people still gonna have to use it because they're just too deep in.
@@justarandomguy-gn2tu yes they are... The whole issue is that they are forced to do it, because they cannot ophold their NDA to customers, unless they explicitly get it approved in the contract. They need to ask their customers if they can leak their material to Adobe.
Imagine an image editor with text tool that is so bad that it will make 90% of the users instantly run the uninstaller and delete the app even if everything else in the app would suffice as a photoshop replacement. Imagine a text tool that is *that* bad :)
When were Adobe's TOS ever fair. You can't even cancel without paying a high cancellation fee. Even if you cancel on the last day of your current subscription. You still have to pay a fee.
i mean thats per the course with any subscription that is billed annually........ or can you lot not read lmfao. not defending adobe here but when they tell you before checkout on "billed annually but pay monthly" subsciptions that you will be charged a termination fee, that isnt rocket science. maybe dont dive into a 12 month subscription without reading the obvious text before purchase :D
@@Mempler no its not, its not hidden at all....... its literally on any product that supports both a billed monthly option OR a 12 month term contract that is billed monthly. photoshop literally has this when you go to subscribe to it. thanks for proving you dont read. Literally has a "monthly" at £33 or "yearly Billed Monthly" at £22 or "Yearly Billed upfront" at £262. and under each one it literally tells you which one has termination fees after x date........ so do tell me where its hidden because its pretty damn clear and like I said if the "monthly" option is not available then its not part of that product stack so why you would "assume" otherwise or not realise is beyond me. again not defending adobe's ToS thats a different matter here, but I will sure as hell correct false statements that are easily contradictable
Adobe is the Microsoft of the graphics world. And mentioning that, it's time to go to Linux and enjoy open source projects like Krita and GIMP without the privacy invasions.
For drawing and art, there really are other programs that do the job fine. For photo editing, measure your expectations with GIMP, it works a bit differently and might not cover everything. For other uses, idk. But seriously, imo for drawing/painting, there are flat-out better alternatives, it just might take some adjusting to different software. There are multiple I'd use before photoshop for drawing, even if photoshop suddenly went free and open source.
This license is too similar to Autodesk's EULA, in which they basically assumed ownership of your computer without actually asserting that they own your computer in those words.
Really? Share the relevant clause dude. Knowing that many of their customers will be working on specific unreleased product, I highly doubt that their tos and eula will include any terms that allows autodesk to have control and share any of your file data perpetually.
That's the last thing we need! There are very workable alternatives to Adobe. When enough people wake up and stop paying them, they'll act differently.
@@LV4EVRI'm half and half, TOS changes are secret sometimes and you agree by not searching your spam emails to then have to respond by physical mail. If you don't do that then you "agree" to the terms. This should be illegal, since your data is sold before you even know to stop using their products. Edit: and they make the email in a way to where spam filters catch them because they don't want you to disagree.
This is terrible. Waiting the first company to sue another for using Adobe, thinking their material was appropriated by Adobe. Try explain this to Simple Joe, that is a weddings photographer for example.
i even downsize my personal documents to upload to user portals that require stupid small file sizes. did they consider people use it for more than doodles ???
Adobe has switched focus from software running on my computer to software as a service AKA software running on their computer. NO. Regardless of their terms of service, I'm not sending my documents over the internet for them to process and send me back my results (over the internet). Then they ask me to trust them not to store copies of my documents. Here's the thing, I don't trust corporations and neither should you. Corporations can terminate service based agreements for a host of reasons. (Let's just say you have a controversial social media post. They can't directly terminate your use of their service for it, but can indeed find a reason to terminate it in the TOS which is unrelated to, yet because of your social media post). Now if they sell something to you and it runs on your own computer, you control it. Software is core to my business as it is with most of us. It is important that we retain control of our own processes, including software. Software as a service is not a risk you want in the current Global political climate. I will trust a corporation to always act dispassionately in it's own interest. They are people under the law (legal person) and much like a psychopath (natural person) will not hesitate to railroad you if it betters their bottom line. This is why I'm currently phasing out all Adobe products from my business and banning any upgrades. Software as a service would save me the cost of upgrading hardware and is cost effective, but the loss of control over my data and whether the software will remain accessible to me is not worth it.
I'm gladly paying my Adobe CC subscription only so that I don't feel guilty about sticking with a "privateered", completely offline copy of versions containing features I need but that they removed, most recently Photoshop's 3D/Spherical Panorama. Little did I know it also shielded me from them spying on me, but I take it.
@@sean7221 There is not caring and there is justifying your wrong as moral. If you don't like what they are doing and want to feel like you have a moral high ground, do not use the service, use another.
in the olden days, pirated software could have viruses and could have spied on you. and now the legitimate software does that while the pirated one doesn't
The oddity to me here is how do they feel like this will even work? In many (most?) instances, the individual contributor who agrees to this policy does not have enough rights to their work (company owned) to sign over over any kind of license anyhow. This is a quagmire waiting to happen.
I used to work on ITAR content using adobe systems. If adobe can freely access my and share it with any 3rd parties automatically, how are they in compliance with ITAR? Someone at Adobe legal may want to look into this before the pentagon gets involved.
I think it's implied that you are clicking "yes" as an employee or contractor on behalf of the company, so technically, its not you that agrees, but the company.
The tool requires you to do your work, so many people are just going to click agree. It doesnt matter what adobe wants there, a person without authority to agree clicking agree doesn't magically give them the right. The law doesn't work that way
@@Uncle_Fred Except for the fact that you don't have the rights to license this stuff. Or let's say that you are using a stock photo that you bought and now Adobe takes it without knowing. Or maybe you just imported a random picture from the internet that you don't have rights to use for prettymuch anything. Copyright license can't be just generated out of thin air and no TOS can change that.
Its mad that they would even think about this. It is going to lead to people cancelling their subscriptions and just pirating their adobe products as you can just tell windows to disallow any incoming and outgoing connections to the program. Even I'm tempted to do that and I've been a paying lightroom/photoshop user for over 15 years. Thanks for the update man.
They need to add in at least TWO lines to that agreement. 1) "We will not use your data to train AI models" 2) "We have not already used your data to train AI models" But one of those lines is probably already impossible for them to claim. What a nightmare.
If you a considering free and open source alternatives, please also consider donating to the individual projects. Your funding will help make these tools better for everyone.
I feel happy to have narrowly missed this. I saw them add the generative AI to Photoshop CC right as my last month on my year came up and cancelled my CC subscription in protest since I barely use it anyway- I've been using Clip Studio Paint for most of my creative work for years, and I started experimenting with Krita after a failed attempt to migrate to Linux last year ended in a mix of Wayland/nvidia issues and "I can't use my art programs because wine and the VM-fake-native-RDP setup both fail to properly support tablets". What little graphics work I still use Photoshop for can be done in my old CS web premium 5.5 or Photopea, and Krita is continually surprising me with what it can do. (Also by what it can't do. KDE, can we please get Cardinal + diagonal locking keys and a non-laggy Navigator/thumbnail?) At the rate things are going, tho', it really is just a matter of time before those last few Photoshop layer features get added to Photoshop's competitors... and instead of disincentivizing it by lowering prices and being a better company, they incentivize it by being greedy vampires.
I quit using Adobe like 15 years ago when they had a massive data breach, where everyone's logins/passwords were accessed and weren't even encrypted. They were plain text. Then they didn't even notify at least half of those exposed, including me. Evernote emailed me that they'd found my login info on a list of those exposed. Adobe never said a word.
Keep pushing back. Or, if we leave Adobe en masse, they'll have to make proper changes in favour of their customers. If not, time to leave Adobe for good. We have the power as a community to put the pressure on. Enough is enough. They live because we feed them. Can be the other way around too.
I switched to Affinity and DaVinci because of Adobe's pricing model made their products unaffordable. Now I'm 100% certain that was the right move. Thank you Adobe!
Adobe saying that they don't assume ownership of users' content but can access it in any way they see fit is like a landlord putting a clause in the lease saying that he doesn't assume ownership of a tenant's car but has the right to drive it any time he wants. WTF?
@@computernerd8157 why for free? Because of the runtime fee or just as a recommendation for what to put on your portfolio? If I’m not mistaken, after the backlash, the runtime fee has been revised so that the initial concern about having to pay more money than your game is actually bringing in is no longer a worry.
@@sean7221 Iove Godot dont get me wrong, but all these Game Engines are just tools too me. I am also working on my own custom engine and I will invest time in Unreal sooner or later. If all game companies abandon Unity then you are correct but the industry is not perdictable. One things for sure, I will not tie my most prized ideas to Unity, but if a company I want to work for is using it then I have to learn it.
"We train our AI on licensed material" Yes, and the changes in the terms literally demand that artists grant Adobe a perpetual license to all their art. They are admitting that they are gonna add everyone's work to their AI training data set. They literally said "we only used licensed work, so give us a forever license to all of your work." They're not even being clever about it. Full mask off.
We received a memo about this a few days ago…..in-short…..If you’re “working for hire”, like most artists are, your work already belongs to someone else, so how come you can grant permission to license something that you don’t own……I’m not an IP attorney, but I can see this is very conflictive and I foresee either a massive cancellation of subscriptions or a massive lawsuits, because again, I do work under work for hire and that means that I don’t own it…..besides, at least in the studio I work for, internet isn’t allowed on workstation machines……a good idea for your subscribers would be to have an interview with a Hollywood IP attorney like Adam Rosen or one of the top IP guys…..I’m sure they will put some light into this darkness…..typos by iOS…..
This all feels not so much like the one of Unity issue but like Microsoft since the 90s. This is the sort of thing that companies do when they have a monopoly and start telling their users what is going to happen and they feel there is nothing you can do about it.
Rewording the ToS but also we need to understand they change it in the future removing something, how for the Stock content creators would be paid and later reverted it. Shady stuff, so sure; for now it may say one thing and later they may back track. So they still aren't worth trusting. Affinity is in a gapped place since Canva can print Serifs Apps better than Adobes and matching their Subject select or intensive features to it.
There is a lot here and we have to look at it in two ways. 1- If you have used any type of Ai how is this different? Ai requests builds from information from others content. The one thing I say to Adobe is "How about since I pay you for service , you do the same for me?" 2- Can there be enough of an impact to create them to change especially since all the major companies Microsoft and others are doing the same thing? ..."Come together right now, Over Them!" Get iT
what commitment, adobe has no commitment to it's users, otherwise they wouldn't try to scare me into not using the old adobe I purchased and switch to the new Adobe that spies on me
My question is--if you never put anything on their cloud servers, and your edit machine stays off the internet at all times(other than when you log in briefly to confirm your subscription every couple of months, AND make sure none of your edit drives are plugged in while you're doing that), isn't that a way to get around it? How could they get access to your stuff? I mean, sure, this is unbelievable of them to try but I think they'd have a hard time getting anything of mine.
I don't trust Adobe. In order for this AI tech to work properly you need an obscene amount of images in the billions. And Adobe's stock is not going to give them enough data that will compete with other AI programs trained on images from the ENTIRE internet. So they will definitely try to dip into user content for their algorithm, hidden in weird fine print, in the same way Meta is doing right now.
Well yes, but I have been in this world long enough to know that a lot of things may happen in the future, if they have a license to your content, they may not use that now, but what if they are bought by ea games or other company and in five years they decide to use your content, license it to others, sue you or demand a fee for a license to use your own content, the same for "we don't use your content to train AI", I don't think that writing that phrase like that in the terms of use is even legally binding.
I don’t trust them. I canceled my subscription and will move to alternatives. I was going to do this to save money. Also, I don’t want to help train AI whether I approve it or not.
The new terms are disturbing, but how exactly does Adobe gain access to my content and data? I put NOTHING on the Cloud. I keep all my work on my computer or external HD. If it’s not on the Cloud, does Adobe have a way to see files I’m working on?
So masny issues .. I was on Redit and someone was asking what the big deal was. NDA's are one issue of course but also if I am editing for someone else. Let's say I am editing wedfding photos for a client. I don;t own the right to those images os I can;t grant Adobe a license. Another problem is let's say I am workin on an article and am using images UNDER FAIR USE. My use of the images is fair use but now I'm granting a blanket license to adobe for images I AGAIN DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO! I droped Adobe when they went creative Cloud. Last version I used was CS6 so I glad I did. Affinity, Reaper, DaVinci Resolve ... so many other BETTER options. I run Krita wiht a plug in for a local install of Stable diffusion that allows me to do the same AND MORE than Firefly all local. WE DON'T NEED ADOBE. rant over. LOL
Worse still be if you are working on a confidential or secret documents, for government or a company planning to release their next gen product in a few months time.
Ppl and Artist alike need to collectively STOP Using Adobe products and embrace alternative tech. We have other options now that get the job done we just need to put them into our workflows.
lmao at them using club penguin as an excuse to steal your shit let us protect the kids by letting us look at, and use your work for whatever we want. so slimy.
I also cancelled my Creative Cloud Photoshop sub a couple days ago. This was the last straw. I only had a CC sub off-and-on anyway, when I needed features that aren't available in my CS6 Master Collection. And when using CC I also always very carefully limited the scope of what I let CC touch, and never uploaded anything to the cloud storage. Definitely won't re-sub ever again. There are plenty of other good options for focus stacking and other new things. I still love my old 2012 CS6 and use Photoshop and Illustrator all the time, but haven't trusted Adobe for quite a while.
@@heavymetalmixer91 I'm a veteran professional that no longer uses Adobe, after decades of being a solid Adobe customer. You clearly are not an Affinity Photo user.--it is more than "good enough." And you don't have to RENT software.
@@AD-Dom I'm holding out hope Canva sticks to their word. Most of us believe the "core" features will still be included with the one-time purchase, and the AI stuff will perhaps be in a subscription. If Canva breaks their very loud-and-clear promise, someone else will take their place.
@@Dave102693 neglect their games like tf2, and cs2. for tf2, aimbots that are doxxing swatting harassing and posting cp in the chat. for cs2, it a TON of cheaters in ranked games. valve just sits there and does nothing while their communities and games that make them millions wither and die.
The fact that you can't even uninstall the software without agreeing to the new terms of service is very scary. What they seem to be saying is, we already have a bunch of your stuff, and we demand that you agree to let us use it.
did they ever fix their save as box where you have to go thru 12 options because you cannot set a default output format??? That's like 12 years or more old.
that is so dirty.. they're like "we will never assume ownership".. yeah just royalty-free rights to do absolutely whatever you want with my stuff with no limitations! the heck man?
I canceled my subscription yesterday after 24 years of being an Adobe user.
Good for you. Similarly, I left years ago. Loving Affinity and DaVinci Resolve.
This is how we actually get things to change. Hope you find an alternative that treats you like a customer and not like cattle!
So, here is what I switched to after dropping adobe about 4 years ago.
1. Hitfilm, Davinci Resolve for video editing.
2. Audacity for Audio Editing.
3. Moho and Blender for animation. I used to do a lot of motion graphics work. You could also use Unreal Engine to replace alot of VFX stuff from After effects.
5. Affinity Suit. I mostly use designer.
Good luck.
@@LV4EVRi also tryed with af 1.0 but idk if af designer got an auto tracer vector feature in latest update 2.x like Adobe Illustrator has, and good gen fill like Ps. And i didnt founf such thing like adobe fonts in af suite, i hope things get better with canva adquisition, krita is also a good alternative and has an open source gen fill plugin, and for me Pr is obsolete i use Capcut or Clipchamp, for Ae i didnt found a good alternative because i don't like DaVinci Resolve workflow
@@ralphwarom2514 Very good list
Translated: We have a dominant market position and think we can use it to get away with exploiting our customers.
Antitrust legislation ENFORCEMENT
To which I found it quite ironic that today, I looked at my email and Affinity had sent me an email for 50% off of everything, all of their applications and other content! Yes, folks, today is the day we embrace the competition that Adobe finally has (and has conveniently forgotten about).
Exactly.
Sadly that is correct. A lot of pros are stuck for a while.
Aaaaand...they aren't wrong. Which is why CC is A Thing in the first place.
The whole "Click agree to accept the TOS, if you close this page or disagree you will lose access to your content" was pretty much a ransomware attack. Scumbags.
"Hi, Police, I've been hacked and they're holding my data to ransom....Yes I can tell you exactly where the hackers are. The address is Adobe Inc...."
Seriously though, they need to change this whole "agree, or I hope you have an offline backup" thing, or this should be explicitly made a criminal offense.
Exactly. They basically blackmailed us into agreeing to them using our work to steal our jobs.
No, it is "free market", we are closer as days go by to 2030: we will own nothing and be happy 🥰🥰🥰
Complete scumbags
Is just wrong, I never liked uploading my content to their cloud anyway, but I dont have clear if they can still access your content even if it lives in your local drive.
"Trust us, bro"
"We've updated our ToS: 'Seriously, Trust us bro.'"
lol
🤣🤣🤣
I cancelled my Adobe account yesterday. When the cancellation page asked why, I wrote, "You new terms of service are untenable."
It's crazy how it feels like adobe looked at unity and asked "hey what can we do to make our users absolutely hate us just like them"
just capitalism as usual.
_The customer is the enemy_
@@BoltRM The customer is the _product_ or rather the machine that produces the product...
@@MMuraseofSandvich At least you get more money if you act like that, which sadly is a really good argument for somebody employed to maximise profit 😬
Difference being we already hate adobe because adobe sucks but can't just stop using Adobe.
"moderation"...... wait, its a paint program people paid for, why are you "moderating" what people make? Its none of your business Adobe.
Google cloud is spying on writer's work. One guy had like 200000 words locked out
I ask the same question about taxes. Didnt I pay taxes when I bought the thing? Didnt the business pay taxes on the employee? Isn’t the employee paying taxes on their earnings? Why is everybody paying taxes every time there’s a transaction? Unless maybe we don’t own a single thing.
because they can
@@sunbleachedangel The fact that they can doesn't mean that they should. I personally really wish they'll eventually go bancrupt and leave all of the developers to work on projects that don't treat their userbase like livestock
@@tylergooden2183 - This is why I think property taxes should be outlawed. Taxing a transaction is fine - but when you just sit there and do nothing (aside from growing your own food on your own land), there should be no taxes involved.
I stopped "upgrading" Photoshop after it became a "cloud-only" product... Not because I didn't like what they were doing with it, but because I was afraid of what they COULD do after you needed permanent access (and permission to use) their servers. And looks like I happened to be right.
right? when did adobe goes subscription-only again? like back in 2012. Im amazed they were able to wait this long before pulling this stunt. I think a lot of people are waking up to the bullshit that the subscription model really is. And honestly, 95% of my work could still be done on CS6 without breaking a sweat. Most of the 'updates' for the past 12 years have been useless nothing burgers.
@@JasonAdankthe problem is that there is no raw support for newer cameras and the the work around in workflow is cumbersome and time consuming.
“Please give us unfettered access to all your content”
“To train your AI?”
“No……”
“To profit off of it by selling and/or redistributing it as though it were your own work?”
“Perish the thought”
“Then why do you need unfettered access to everyone’s content?”
“Oh, you know……. reasons.”
And they expect us to trust them 🙄
For the safety and security of your data, the children and to improve your user experience and ability to be manipulated by and with our ad and corporate partners........
Wait I mean the children :)
and pay for it in huge sums.... best business plan ever... next to banks
I thought this what people are protesting the government for doing. How come it is okay for adobe to do it, and charge you for it. People are hypocrites and stupid as well.
"So that you can share your images." lol
never believe any private Monopoly that claims it needs to limit your free Expression under the blanket excuse that it's to prevent "Risk/Harm". ...the only people they ever protect is Investors and Access Journalism. Everyone else is virtue-fodder
Affinity conveniently has a 50% flash sale now. They know what they're doing 💀
Thank you for the hint. Went and bought! 😁
Honestly it feels like their products are always on sale! Maybe it was planned or a mere coincidence, but I’m pretty sure they put things on sale every summer anyway.
Just snagged it thanks for the heads up; F@&$ adobe
@@BigWavesKays which one did you guys get? Can't decide between designer or photo? Or universal 😅
@@PixelBlight if you use the adobe suite then get universal. if you actually design then get designer, its like illustrator and PS in one. if you need a fuller version of PS then get photo. if you use PS for art using brushes and filters you're better off with clip studio paint, but they have their own prices per service.
Notice that Adobe specifically mentions Firefly AI by name, but they don't say a damn thing about any other gen AI models they probably have brewing in their R&D department.
Oh, but this one is called Firfley AI! We never mentioned Firfley AI only Firefly AI, so barleese!
the biggest problem is that is forcing people to agree after the fact.
Louis Rossman calls it what it is... Adobe roofied all their customers.
Grapist-without-the-g mentality
"I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further." where have I heard that before?....
@@josephbrandenburg4373Rossman generally does.
Installed Krita yesterday and took a good part of the day setting it up to my preference and discovering a lot of hidden functionality. It's a lot more powerful than it seems at first glance. Also, I can confidently say that the brushes it comes with will be the only brushes I will ever need!
Also check out Ramón Miranda, Rakurri and David Revoy brushes too, they're really good
Wait until you get around the UI and implement the work flow that best suits you. Krita is top notch!
krita is amazing i migrated from clip in 2020 to use on linux too, i loved too much
Krita is the beast switched from Photoshop years ago, never looked back, in some regards it's way ahead, when it comes to text is not that great, but it will be OP with 5.3 update.
krita is pretty darn cool, CSP has better lineart tools though. I'm just a casual though
Photoshop / Krita
Lightroom / DarkTable
AfterEffects / DaVinci Resolve
Illustrator / Inkscape
And of course "Blender".
Krita good, Inkscape too similar to CorelDraw and rather crashy, buggy and overall really bad, Blender is great.
Wait, what about premier pro?
Thanks.
@@gamekidcozz7483 DaVinci Resolve
Photoshop, Illustrator and InDeisgn are best covered by Affinity.
If you work on a client's project you do not have permission to share it. Game over.
We need laws to catch up with AI and put a stop to all this.
Technically you can still save the project in your drive and send it by other means, like google drive or similar. The issue comes from using their cloud service and certain tools, specially those that use AI, as those send the files to Adobe's server for processing.
The chef's kiss when Adobe is becoming more a toxic nightmare for other businesses.
Yeah if I were legal counsel for any large corp that uses Adobe or has contractors who do, I would look very carefully at this. As soon as a few Fortune 500 companies ban Adobe, they’ll change their tune.
nda rip
In Germany we have a saying: The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.
In other words, Adobe alienates a few people who complain (loudly), but the masses just carry on.
If Adobe is to change, it has to really hurt. But really, really, really hurt.
You are so right.
lets figure out how to do just that!
I read this saying in Dutch (yes, I'm not confusing it with 'Deutch' and know the difference 😊) in a "Kuifje" (Tintin) comic book about 35 years ago. In 'Cokes in Voorraad' it's used as a password:
"De honden blaffen en de karavaan trekt voorbij."
It was a long forgotten memory that stuck out to me at the time that you not only unlocked, but also explained. Thank you for that. Danke 😊
The head honchos at Unity probably had the same thought.
Those at Hasbro, as well.
Funny that the same saying is known in Russia too.
I'm a big fan of the "Not Having All Of Your Eggs in One Basket" Game Development Kit, for this very reason.
Looks like Unreal Engine. They're trying to put everything in Engine so we don't have to go out and use other apps. lol
@@JackC-d9x God forbid Unreal pulling something like this
@@JackC-d9xbasically closed source Blender at this point
License terms and local storage matter.
Got an Adobe Ad before this video. I appreciate yts sense of humour.
Sort of like how whenever I watch a YT video about political corruption, I get an ad by some big-wig politician begging for contributions.
Adobe can take a hike I have had enough of this BS not just from Adobe, but Google, Roku and other companies that think they own the customer. So unless we all take a stand they will continue down this path. Cancelled everything Adobe just now and moved to Affinity Photo, Publisher and Design and also purchased DXO. Yes I will need to learn these but its worth kicking Adobe out of my life forever. I have had enough of this. My clients have been told to expect some delays because of my move but they understand the overall privacy issue that affects everyone.
I abandon finally Adobe back in 2019 for Krita as a Digital Artist. Krita is a little powerhouse of a program, hope this get's Krita more people from this Adobe debacle.
I was very annoyed in University when my teachers had never heard of Krita or SAI and just insisted we kept "loyal" to adobe, I wonder how those teachers are reacting now.
Also Blender, Inkscape, great as well.
trusting a company to do the right thing is like trusting a fire to be cold
It's like trusting a jew with your retirement savings.
@@sean7221 no need to be anti-semetic here.
@@testacals omfg nobody is being anti-semetic
@@XxSpirothKurotamaMOONLIGHTxX What he said is literally anti-semetic
We need laws- that prevent such Terms of Service that allow them to use or exploit your creations, from existing, without your express permission, and never as a requirement to use a paid product.
To bad Adobe has already greased over the politicians along with other scummy companies to prevent such laws from existing all thanks to political bribery..er.. I mean corporate lobbying.
It's ridiculous how they state that Adobe doesn't use customer content to train AI, only to then elaborate that they use licensed content that, according to the new changes, may also include customer content.
Its becoming harder and harder for them to hide things in the TOS because now people are becoming more aware and are exposing it.
I Think the big point that is getting overlooked a lot is that Adobe stock sellers also thought they were just using Adobe stock as a platform to sell their content, and that their content was only meant to to be used for that purpose. Then Adobe used a legal term in the contract that was even less intrusive than these terms as an excuse to use all Adobe stock to train their AI.
i will never use adobe products again! this is crazy. eventually they will flag your work as propaganda..... you said it bro!
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I've spent the past decade being practical, realizing that nothing I produce is particularly interesting or useful to criminal hackers or to corporate data mining operations, and seeing any form of resistance as a futile, symbolic gesture, that's going to cause me aggravation without accomplishing anything. But I guess there are limits to my pragmatism. This isn't about Adobe, for me; Adobe just happens to be the final straw. So yesterday I unsubscribed from my Adobe license, deleted all their products, and am test driving alternatives, including free alternatives. The next one on the chopping block is Windows, depending on what happens with the Recall feature. They're getting such massive blowback that I'm willing to give them a couple of months to do the right thing, but I have a sinking feeling that my daily life is going to get harder when I conclude that I need to switch to Linux. As a 22 year veteran at Microsoft, and someone who has written code for older versions of Windows (who knows, maybe a few lines have even survived to the present), this comes at some emotional cost; but I'm just done with it all. The American experiment has failed, money is the only thing that matters, and any rights we might have once had are now contingent at best. I don't see anything stopping corporations from commoditizing our lives, at least in America; the EU has been much more active in looking out for the human rights of their citizens, though they're a long way from perfect. So even though I still think it's a quixotic gesture, I'm just finished swallowing these invasive indignities, when there's an even halfway usable alternative.
" depending on what happens with the Recall feature " we all know what will happen, they got caught this time, as soon as people forget about it they will try again. And again. And again. Until they get what they want.
All corporations follow this same cycle, and they have gotten away with it, that's why we are where we are today.
I don't think Adobe could care less... They know they have a major foothold in many business operations and they won't switch as easily as it would need retraining a lot of people, hiring other people... etc..
Agreed, I don't see them losing any corporate customers, the smaller customers will exit stage left and hopefully the open-source alternatives will experience a boom.
I dont think million dollar corporations want to give away their trade secrets to adobe, especially for free, to train up their competitors. If they want to stay million dollar corporations that is.
@@blacksage81 A hobbyist has not much to lose and might not care too much. But professionals could lose their jobs to an AI that they fed and paid for themselves via a cloud service.
@@blacksage81 I think it's the other way around, I doubt all the IP crazy corpos will be happy with basicaly giving their IP for free just to use a software, considering how much money they are willing to spend constantly to protect their IPs.
Unity also thought like Adobe ...
Canceled my adobe this AM. I can’t risk my clients while it’s so vague. They are supposed to call me back to answer my questions but no one has 😂😂😂 they must be busy today.
This is the way.
I don't have a subscription anymore but I'm glad people are cancelling and telling them why. It will stop them and others from trying this kind of thing in the future. Ideally legislation needs to catch up with this brave new world to regulate these AI cowboys and their dystopian wild west.
Krita and Gimp.
i cant trust adobe anymore, it is unsafe to edit your photos or documents in this software.
I predicted that any/all cloud/internet based software/storage company would be doing this a long time ago..
It's amazing to see the masses still uploading their stuff and think they have control over it.
Adobe needs to go down over this. Everyone should cancel their subscriptions. There are better open source alternatives.
There should be no subscription-based licences for creative software to begin with, IMO.
Gimp 3 can't come out soon enough
Krita and Gimp.
This is probably another example of the "too big to fail" thing. Adobe is everywhere and companies are not gonna pack up and leave just to spend shit tons of money to train the employees for a new set of tools. There will be a lot of people still gonna have to use it because they're just too deep in.
@@justarandomguy-gn2tu yes they are... The whole issue is that they are forced to do it, because they cannot ophold their NDA to customers, unless they explicitly get it approved in the contract. They need to ask their customers if they can leak their material to Adobe.
Krita!!!!
And Affinity & _TONS_ of image editors.
Plus there's competitors to Substance.
What others? 🤔
Imagine an image editor with text tool that is so bad that it will make 90% of the users instantly run the uninstaller and delete the app even if everything else in the app would suffice as a photoshop replacement. Imagine a text tool that is *that* bad :)
@@LudvikKoutnyArt Do all your text work in one of the many many others that do a good job.
@@BoltRM depending on use case that can go from mildly to infuriatingly inconvinient
@@LudvikKoutnyArt Actually they are working on it. Next updates of Krita will have improved text tool.
When were Adobe's TOS ever fair. You can't even cancel without paying a high cancellation fee. Even if you cancel on the last day of your current subscription. You still have to pay a fee.
i mean thats per the course with any subscription that is billed annually........ or can you lot not read lmfao. not defending adobe here but when they tell you before checkout on "billed annually but pay monthly" subsciptions that you will be charged a termination fee, that isnt rocket science. maybe dont dive into a 12 month subscription without reading the obvious text before purchase :D
Just cancel your card.
@123TheCloop I agree, but it's also a horrible anti consumer move to more or less hide the option to use a monthly subscription instead
@@nsevvI wish it were that easy in Germany.
They would straight up raid you and take your stuff here
@@Mempler no its not, its not hidden at all....... its literally on any product that supports both a billed monthly option OR a 12 month term contract that is billed monthly. photoshop literally has this when you go to subscribe to it. thanks for proving you dont read.
Literally has a "monthly" at £33 or "yearly Billed Monthly" at £22 or "Yearly Billed upfront" at £262. and under each one it literally tells you which one has termination fees after x date........ so do tell me where its hidden because its pretty damn clear and like I said if the "monthly" option is not available then its not part of that product stack so why you would "assume" otherwise or not realise is beyond me. again not defending adobe's ToS thats a different matter here, but I will sure as hell correct false statements that are easily contradictable
Adobe is the Microsoft of the graphics world. And mentioning that, it's time to go to Linux and enjoy open source projects like Krita and GIMP without the privacy invasions.
For drawing and art, there really are other programs that do the job fine. For photo editing, measure your expectations with GIMP, it works a bit differently and might not cover everything. For other uses, idk. But seriously, imo for drawing/painting, there are flat-out better alternatives, it just might take some adjusting to different software. There are multiple I'd use before photoshop for drawing, even if photoshop suddenly went free and open source.
This license is too similar to Autodesk's EULA, in which they basically assumed ownership of your computer without actually asserting that they own your computer in those words.
Thank goodness I never had enough money to buy any of their software. lol
Really? Share the relevant clause dude. Knowing that many of their customers will be working on specific unreleased product, I highly doubt that their tos and eula will include any terms that allows autodesk to have control and share any of your file data perpetually.
@@Jinkypigs It may be a little outdated but, I highly suggest reading Ton Roosendall's analysis of the EULA.
@@Dave102693 fuiion360 and Eagle.
I'm avoiding them. Kicad is very good but FreeCAD is poop.
Only an act of Congress is going to stop these kind of antics from these corporations.
That's the last thing we need! There are very workable alternatives to Adobe. When enough people wake up and stop paying them, they'll act differently.
@@LV4EVRI'm half and half, TOS changes are secret sometimes and you agree by not searching your spam emails to then have to respond by physical mail.
If you don't do that then you "agree" to the terms.
This should be illegal, since your data is sold before you even know to stop using their products.
Edit: and they make the email in a way to where spam filters catch them because they don't want you to disagree.
Yes and not only this but tracking should be outlawed as well.
Just use free software, do you need an act of congress to stop buying adobe?
@@LV4EVR 100%
This is terrible. Waiting the first company to sue another for using Adobe, thinking their material was appropriated by Adobe. Try explain this to Simple Joe, that is a weddings photographer for example.
i even downsize my personal documents to upload to user portals that require stupid small file sizes. did they consider people use it for more than doodles ???
It's a pretty bold lie. Public statements are always supersceeded by the TOS.
Adobe has switched focus from software running on my computer to software as a service AKA software running on their computer. NO. Regardless of their terms of service, I'm not sending my documents over the internet for them to process and send me back my results (over the internet). Then they ask me to trust them not to store copies of my documents.
Here's the thing, I don't trust corporations and neither should you. Corporations can terminate service based agreements for a host of reasons. (Let's just say you have a controversial social media post. They can't directly terminate your use of their service for it, but can indeed find a reason to terminate it in the TOS which is unrelated to, yet because of your social media post).
Now if they sell something to you and it runs on your own computer, you control it.
Software is core to my business as it is with most of us. It is important that we retain control of our own processes, including software. Software as a service is not a risk you want in the current Global political climate.
I will trust a corporation to always act dispassionately in it's own interest. They are people under the law (legal person) and much like a psychopath (natural person) will not hesitate to railroad you if it betters their bottom line.
This is why I'm currently phasing out all Adobe products from my business and banning any upgrades. Software as a service would save me the cost of upgrading hardware and is cost effective, but the loss of control over my data and whether the software will remain accessible to me is not worth it.
I'm gladly paying my Adobe CC subscription only so that I don't feel guilty about sticking with a "privateered", completely offline copy of versions containing features I need but that they removed, most recently Photoshop's 3D/Spherical Panorama. Little did I know it also shielded me from them spying on me, but I take it.
Do not feel guilty about pirating, it is now a moral obligation
@@sean7221 There is not caring and there is justifying your wrong as moral. If you don't like what they are doing and want to feel like you have a moral high ground, do not use the service, use another.
@@sean7221 I'd LOVE to pirate adobe stuff, but alas, viruses will murder my shit
in the olden days, pirated software could have viruses and could have spied on you. and now the legitimate software does that while the pirated one doesn't
@@J-wm4ss drop the links to the pirated adobe stuff, then, plz bro
The oddity to me here is how do they feel like this will even work? In many (most?) instances, the individual contributor who agrees to this policy does not have enough rights to their work (company owned) to sign over over any kind of license anyhow. This is a quagmire waiting to happen.
I used to work on ITAR content using adobe systems. If adobe can freely access my and share it with any 3rd parties automatically, how are they in compliance with ITAR? Someone at Adobe legal may want to look into this before the pentagon gets involved.
I think it's implied that you are clicking "yes" as an employee or contractor on behalf of the company, so technically, its not you that agrees, but the company.
The tool requires you to do your work, so many people are just going to click agree. It doesnt matter what adobe wants there, a person without authority to agree clicking agree doesn't magically give them the right. The law doesn't work that way
@@Uncle_Fred Except for the fact that you don't have the rights to license this stuff. Or let's say that you are using a stock photo that you bought and now Adobe takes it without knowing. Or maybe you just imported a random picture from the internet that you don't have rights to use for prettymuch anything.
Copyright license can't be just generated out of thin air and no TOS can change that.
It’s typical because they are out of touch with those they serve. Corps get rich and they start developing a god complex.
Its mad that they would even think about this. It is going to lead to people cancelling their subscriptions and just pirating their adobe products as you can just tell windows to disallow any incoming and outgoing connections to the program. Even I'm tempted to do that and I've been a paying lightroom/photoshop user for over 15 years. Thanks for the update man.
They need to add in at least TWO lines to that agreement.
1) "We will not use your data to train AI models"
2) "We have not already used your data to train AI models"
But one of those lines is probably already impossible for them to claim.
What a nightmare.
They will be looking for "illegal points of view", in order to promote a chosen point of view.
Yep, and few are seeing that.
If you a considering free and open source alternatives, please also consider donating to the individual projects. Your funding will help make these tools better for everyone.
I feel happy to have narrowly missed this. I saw them add the generative AI to Photoshop CC right as my last month on my year came up and cancelled my CC subscription in protest since I barely use it anyway- I've been using Clip Studio Paint for most of my creative work for years, and I started experimenting with Krita after a failed attempt to migrate to Linux last year ended in a mix of Wayland/nvidia issues and "I can't use my art programs because wine and the VM-fake-native-RDP setup both fail to properly support tablets".
What little graphics work I still use Photoshop for can be done in my old CS web premium 5.5 or Photopea, and Krita is continually surprising me with what it can do. (Also by what it can't do. KDE, can we please get Cardinal + diagonal locking keys and a non-laggy Navigator/thumbnail?)
At the rate things are going, tho', it really is just a matter of time before those last few Photoshop layer features get added to Photoshop's competitors... and instead of disincentivizing it by lowering prices and being a better company, they incentivize it by being greedy vampires.
They've been SHIT for 15 years.
Knew it, all AI based bs that artists didn't ask for.
I cancelled yesterday and added Affinity and Gimp to my collection of game art tools, along with Aseprite and ArtRage.
When they demanded a monthly subscription after CS6, I said goodbye. Have never looked back. Affinity Photo is an excellent option, and I love it.
I have a photographer client who will be suing Adobe over this.
Are you a lawyer? If so isn't knowing how to read legalese part of your job description?
Adobe: "Because software piracy exists, *_YOU_* don't deserve your inalienable human right to your intellectual property and privacy."
I quit using Adobe like 15 years ago when they had a massive data breach, where everyone's logins/passwords were accessed and weren't even encrypted. They were plain text. Then they didn't even notify at least half of those exposed, including me. Evernote emailed me that they'd found my login info on a list of those exposed. Adobe never said a word.
Keep pushing back. Or, if we leave Adobe en masse, they'll have to make proper changes in favour of their customers. If not, time to leave Adobe for good. We have the power as a community to put the pressure on. Enough is enough. They live because we feed them. Can be the other way around too.
I switched to Affinity and DaVinci because of Adobe's pricing model made their products unaffordable. Now I'm 100% certain that was the right move. Thank you Adobe!
Get ready for affinity subscripton plans at some point.
@hipflipped Considering the fact that Affinity merged with Canva... I'm worried that it too be enshittified.
I saw this coming when Adobe went to the subscription model. That is when i quit using Adobe.
Adobe saying that they don't assume ownership of users' content but can access it in any way they see fit is like a landlord putting a clause in the lease saying that he doesn't assume ownership of a tenant's car but has the right to drive it any time he wants. WTF?
Any recommendations of a good lightroom alternative that works seamlessly with (serious) cloud integrations?
They really pulled the "Think of the children!" card?
Unity runtime fee flashbacks
I still recommend using Unity if you want to put the exprience on a resume. However, I would give that game away for free.
@@computernerd8157 why for free? Because of the runtime fee or just as a recommendation for what to put on your portfolio?
If I’m not mistaken, after the backlash, the runtime fee has been revised so that the initial concern about having to pay more money than your game is actually bringing in is no longer a worry.
Ditch unity completely, Godot is the future
@@sean7221 Iove Godot dont get me wrong, but all these Game Engines are just tools too me. I am also working on my own custom engine and I will invest time in Unreal sooner or later. If all game companies abandon Unity then you are correct but the industry is not perdictable. One things for sure, I will not tie my most prized ideas to Unity, but if a company I want to work for is using it then I have to learn it.
I used and still use Unity, I don't even use Adobe stuff, and I find this worse.
"We train our AI on licensed material"
Yes, and the changes in the terms literally demand that artists grant Adobe a perpetual license to all their art.
They are admitting that they are gonna add everyone's work to their AI training data set. They literally said "we only used licensed work, so give us a forever license to all of your work."
They're not even being clever about it. Full mask off.
We received a memo about this a few days ago…..in-short…..If you’re “working for hire”, like most artists are, your work already belongs to someone else, so how come you can grant permission to license something that you don’t own……I’m not an IP attorney, but I can see this is very conflictive and I foresee either a massive cancellation of subscriptions or a massive lawsuits, because again, I do work under work for hire and that means that I don’t own it…..besides, at least in the studio I work for, internet isn’t allowed on workstation machines……a good idea for your subscribers would be to have an interview with a Hollywood IP attorney like Adam Rosen or one of the top IP guys…..I’m sure they will put some light into this darkness…..typos by iOS…..
Does Ex Unity CEO John Riccitiello now work for Adobe? Price per pixel?...
This is a move of a monopoly. They need to be broken into smaller competing companies. That’s how you end this foolishness.
This all feels not so much like the one of Unity issue but like Microsoft since the 90s. This is the sort of thing that companies do when they have a monopoly and start telling their users what is going to happen and they feel there is nothing you can do about it.
Enshittification continues strong. Good to see people making moves whether cancelling and or speaking out. Keep up a good job!
you know you done fugged up when you get GFS to swear
I really do try to keep the channel as family friendly as possible, so yeah, there's some truth to this. :)
The Luis Rossman response probably rubbed off on him.
You know you fugged up when even the Canadians resort to impolite language 🤣
@@SeniorSupersuade yeah but Rossman, is usually pretty raw about this stuff
Rewording the ToS but also we need to understand they change it in the future removing something, how for the Stock content creators would be paid and later reverted it. Shady stuff, so sure; for now it may say one thing and later they may back track. So they still aren't worth trusting. Affinity is in a gapped place since Canva can print Serifs Apps better than Adobes and matching their Subject select or intensive features to it.
My dad was an Adobe employee, and even he doesn't pay for the services Adobe provides.
Think those terms and conditions would apply if you paid for the one time purchase version of premiere / photoshop?
I never regreted it to switch to alternative products.
There is a lot here and we have to look at it in two ways.
1- If you have used any type of Ai how is this different? Ai requests builds from information from others content. The one thing I say to Adobe is "How about since I pay you for service , you do the same for me?"
2- Can there be enough of an impact to create them to change especially since all the major companies Microsoft and others are doing the same thing?
..."Come together right now, Over Them!" Get iT
I don't trust Adobe anymore.
what commitment, adobe has no commitment to it's users, otherwise they wouldn't try to scare me into not using the old adobe I purchased and switch to the new Adobe that spies on me
My question is--if you never put anything on their cloud servers, and your edit machine stays off the internet at all times(other than when you log in briefly to confirm your subscription every couple of months, AND make sure none of your edit drives are plugged in while you're doing that), isn't that a way to get around it? How could they get access to your stuff?
I mean, sure, this is unbelievable of them to try but I think they'd have a hard time getting anything of mine.
I don't trust Adobe. In order for this AI tech to work properly you need an obscene amount of images in the billions. And Adobe's stock is not going to give them enough data that will compete with other AI programs trained on images from the ENTIRE internet. So they will definitely try to dip into user content for their algorithm, hidden in weird fine print, in the same way Meta is doing right now.
Well yes, but I have been in this world long enough to know that a lot of things may happen in the future, if they have a license to your content, they may not use that now, but what if they are bought by ea games or other company and in five years they decide to use your content, license it to others, sue you or demand a fee for a license to use your own content, the same for "we don't use your content to train AI", I don't think that writing that phrase like that in the terms of use is even legally binding.
I don’t trust them. I canceled my subscription and will move to alternatives. I was going to do this to save money. Also, I don’t want to help train AI whether I approve it or not.
Photoshop / Krita
Lightroom / DarkTable
AfterEffects / DaVinci Resolve
Illustrator / Inkscape
And of course "Blender".
The new terms are disturbing, but how exactly does Adobe gain access to my content and data? I put NOTHING on the Cloud. I keep all my work on my computer or external HD. If it’s not on the Cloud, does Adobe have a way to see files I’m working on?
So masny issues .. I was on Redit and someone was asking what the big deal was.
NDA's are one issue of course but also if I am editing for someone else. Let's say I am editing wedfding photos for a client. I don;t own the right to those images os I can;t grant Adobe a license.
Another problem is let's say I am workin on an article and am using images UNDER FAIR USE. My use of the images is fair use but now I'm granting a blanket license to adobe for images I AGAIN DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO!
I droped Adobe when they went creative Cloud. Last version I used was CS6 so I glad I did. Affinity, Reaper, DaVinci Resolve ... so many other BETTER options.
I run Krita wiht a plug in for a local install of Stable diffusion that allows me to do the same AND MORE than Firefly all local.
WE DON'T NEED ADOBE.
rant over. LOL
Worse still be if you are working on a confidential or secret documents, for government or a company planning to release their next gen product in a few months time.
We all Should have said no to the 600/yr subscription years ago, now it’s not too late to do it.
Then they should delete it out of their TOS, if they are serious.
Or even better, delete the entire TOS altogether
It's time for the community to support open-source alternatives.
I have switched to Affinity some time ago as I don’t trust adobe and don’t wanted to pay crazy subscription
I'm dropping Adobe this week. I've had enough of this crap. I'm not a commodity, I'm a paying customer.
Ppl and Artist alike need to collectively STOP Using Adobe products and embrace alternative tech. We have other options now that get the job done we just need to put them into our workflows.
I canceled my CC plan yesterday after 20+ years of using their apps. Cancelled my account completely also. I hope they go out of business.
lmao at them using club penguin as an excuse to steal your shit
let us protect the kids by letting us look at, and use your work for whatever we want.
so slimy.
I also cancelled my Creative Cloud Photoshop sub a couple days ago.
This was the last straw.
I only had a CC sub off-and-on anyway, when I needed features that aren't available in my CS6 Master Collection.
And when using CC I also always very carefully limited the scope of what I let CC touch, and never uploaded anything to the cloud storage.
Definitely won't re-sub ever again.
There are plenty of other good options for focus stacking and other new things.
I still love my old 2012 CS6 and use Photoshop and Illustrator all the time, but haven't trusted Adobe for quite a while.
Microsoft and Adobe are racing to become the Shadow Broker of Mass Effect.
Is it access to your files on your hard drives or in the cloud?
cloud and what ever you open with photoshop in the moment... for now
No reason to use Adobe anymore. Use affinity painter photo.
Tell that to professionals that have used Adobe products for years, mostly Photoshop. There are not-good-enough alternatives out there :/
Canva will probably end up doing the same to Affinity, they are obsessed with AI and subscription bs
Probably should get on that train before the Canva subscription model inevitably takes over.
@@heavymetalmixer91 I'm a veteran professional that no longer uses Adobe, after decades of being a solid Adobe customer. You clearly are not an Affinity Photo user.--it is more than "good enough." And you don't have to RENT software.
@@AD-Dom I'm holding out hope Canva sticks to their word. Most of us believe the "core" features will still be included with the one-time purchase, and the AI stuff will perhaps be in a subscription. If Canva breaks their very loud-and-clear promise, someone else will take their place.
Every social media site has that clause about granting them a world wide license. Every. Single. One. It is pretty much a copy and paste clause.
microsoft, google, valve and now adobe. companies are imploding right and left and thats amazing!
What did Valve do?
@@Dave102693 neglect their games like tf2, and cs2. for tf2, aimbots that are doxxing swatting harassing and posting cp in the chat. for cs2, it a TON of cheaters in ranked games. valve just sits there and does nothing while their communities and games that make them millions wither and die.
@@pug-nreally? I thought they were a chill company?
@@Dave102693 yea their hands off approach to their games is now showing people how little they dont care.
This is why I use an out of date Creative Suite on a 2009 MacBook Pro for anything Adobe related.
yep, the old Creative Suites are great, which is why I still have my 2012 MacBook Pro.... and my Win7
Adobe disrespects artists.
The fact that you can't even uninstall the software without agreeing to the new terms of service is very scary.
What they seem to be saying is, we already have a bunch of your stuff, and we demand that you agree to let us use it.
So much for their ethical AI model, if it even was that to begin with.
did they ever fix their save as box where you have to go thru 12 options because you cannot set a default output format??? That's like 12 years or more old.
Adobe should leak GTA 6 artwork.... wanna see it....
that is so dirty.. they're like "we will never assume ownership".. yeah just royalty-free rights to do absolutely whatever you want with my stuff with no limitations! the heck man?
everything is about to implode.
Seems like that’s true.