Hey guys! I really appreciated the feedback on my last video. So here's more of that! My next video should be up Wednesday and we're breaking down FNATIC's legendary comeback against LOUD. So stay tuned!
@@fewsnow i don't think it is rude, it seems most of us have seen sovereign guides first , he isn't mindlessly copying his style , i've seen a couple of channels do this style after sovereign and even tho u can notice some differences they are still quality videos so i wanna see more , fnatic's comeback would be great to see in more detail, i wanna learn ab anything i've missed :D
great video, definitely really odd that neither vanity nor their coach could come up with a solution here. I'm assuming they simply had zero experience facing a Harbor as seemingly no NA teams played him, but even then that's no excuse
@@uscninja4190not expecting is a good reason, but they can still… you know, “adapt” like how the dude in the video mentioned almost every minutes of the video
@@uscninja4190 it's a bad agent in most scenarios since u need another controller to play with him but he's really gud when you have gud teamwork (pro play) especially since he's a specialist. also his ult is strong if you play around it really well. it's not meant to actually make sure the enemies are stunned like breach's ult, it's for info and annoying the enemy team. the reason why most people don't play him in comp is that most of the time, you're not five-stacking, and even if u do, most of the time, you don't have the insane teamwork pros do
love the new case study -esque style you're going with. Especially love how even though the focus is C9's failure to adapt, you still mention and point out the conditioning DRX were doing at B main while not getting side-railed from the focus of the vid. Awesome vid man
Harbour is great under the right conditions, which is also why he is generally low tier since he needs certain considitons to truly be powerful. Unlike the S tier agents like Jett and KJ who can do a lot on their own
the only thing to make harbor fucking goated is to buff his cove a tiiiinnnny bit so that it lasts just long enough to cover a full plant and safe retreat the rest of his abilities are fucking incredible, having a horizontal wall you can launch safely, having a 30s cool down adaptive wall, and an ult that literally gives info on positions and also causes repositioning is just an insane combo its literally just the cove thats slightly underwhelming bc even if there's just 1 person spamming it with ak, it breaks before you can get a safe plant/retreat off
@Charizard24682 His only weakness (and hence the smallest pick rate among controllers) is that he is very dependent on the team. While Omen and Viper are fairly self-sufficient agents, and Brim and Astra can combo with only one of their teammates, Harbor relies entirely on the coordinated and fearless actions of the team. The team doesn't run behind your wall - you're useless. The team does not cover you during the plant (or does not use a shield for the plant) - you are useless. Doesn't go to the site and doesn't look for a kill during the ult - you're useless. So I understand why he has such a small pick rate, and Reyna has the largest. It’s good to play it at ranks above Ascendant without pain in the ass, but if u are Plat or below... its nearly impossible to be useful
You are really good in explaining what actually the plays these pros are doing. Hopefully you can have your own review as well regarding game 5 Finals of FNC vs LOUD.
As a bronze player, this video is impressive. The analysis is so deep and I would not be able to understand why any of these things were happening without these kinds of videos. Thanks for making me understand how much difference a little teamplay can make
I love playing Harbor. He functions similar to Overwatch tank heroes, which I peaked plat playing, so it's great to have a similar sort of safeguard agent with moving walls that make it easy to clear angles, an insanely useful ult, and his cove being super underrated.
I would say the bigger mistake on round 3 was viper's positioning. Yay goes around the back to prevent a rotate, forcing rb to plant on A, which is completely fine. Knowing this, vanity and leaf should just play together, and just swing together with yay flanking when they hear the tap. But for some reason leaf just runs mid, and takes way too long to get back to vanity even after the bomb is planted. Then yay swings too early.
I don't even play valorant that much, but this gave me serious ReaperEN vibes from Siege, and that was some of my favorite content around. Great video and I'd love to see more!
This was an awesome video - not enough content creators detailing how to creatively use agents in a tactical way and also give the corresponding counters to it. Great stuff!
yo i'm a new viewer but i'm def gonna go see if u have other videos like these out, love it when u make it entertaining and not just break the round down. Keep it up👏
Harbor is great. First agent I unlocked after recently playing for the first time two-three months ago, so much util and map control. And his ult is great for much more than concussions, the circle below the feet is visible through walls and it is also very loud
thats what ppl don't understand about harbor when they call him a dogshit hero his ult literally only spawns below the feet and is so fucking loud, you use it on a site and it essentially just gives you wallhacks on the positions of ppl, you can hold the retreat for a free frag or prefire the corner if they didnt move and got stunned
Yeah I have realized even though I'm not a pro player a lot of people refuse to believe harbor is useful but he is seriously op when you realize nobody knows how to play against him.
he's not op at even remotely decent elo, his shield lasts waaaaay too little to be considered useful, they either gotta buff the health slightly so you can get a plant+safe retreat before 1-2 ppl can spam it down, or they need to make the shield portion go away but the actual water smoke stay until it expires like other smokes/walls
I really wonder why they didn't decide to do the default 410 wall on A? Doesn't make sense at all for me. Great video though. You're one of the few channels who break down plays in a proper way understanding the game. You're not far away from Sliggy & Seangares.
@@pub2592 Don't agree with that. You give them space on maze with c9 wall. There is a better way to wall 410 then the default one which gives less space on 410.
8:22 they dont hear the crowd btw, they have to use on ear headphones that make white noise ontop of the earbuds that give their game sounds and voice comms. and they dont hear the keyboard clicking either.. noise suppression.. but yeah
Lmao none of that matters bro especially when LOUD is playing. The whole stadium vs some white noise isnt gonna do anything. Plus you can feel the vibrations from the shouts in the arena.
yeah thats why i love playing that fucker. i hate when people think hes a 'true' controller. his walls and cascades are absolutely fucking awful for site control, theyre just literally PERFECT for quick map control and isolating angles to get better positioning he's like a position 4 role in dota, not hard support but like an adaptive 'roamer' kinda thing
This is the first time ive heard that Harbor is a low tier agent I finally got him a few days ago but i found his abilities are very good for pushing or retaking a site, especially his ult where it forces enemies out of a site
Guys this doesn't work on low elo, when they hear your cove they will rush inside it immediately and ur teammates are just watching the enemy go inside your cove instead of shooting them.
@@TeetsTV well-deserved. This kind of hypercritical analysis is so satisfying to listen to and see play out. If no one else tells you today, I will: your channel is CRIMINALLY underrated.
Little correction on round 8, the headphones that the players wear are designed to block out audience cheers. there’s actually smaller earphones that is used for in game sounds and comms
@@TeetsTV Maybe I'm too harsh, but that multiple attempts by DRX planting at the same spot over and over again without any clear counter from C9 is just unbelievable. Maybe karma has got'em real good
DRX is actually scary if ur think about their ability to adjust. Maybe not that scary in the big league but still, you can’t underestimate them. This applies to all Pacific teams.
I don't think the viper wall being placed differently would've helped them much at defusing the spike, they needed to stop them from planting topside, or save the sage wall for it at least (maybe even have someone flank)
i mean itd have given some better info on spam positioning thru the wall from the tracers if they just tap the bomb once, then they can spam back thru the wall but yeah ofc its not a 100% counter like a sage wall, but it's a HELL of a lot better than what they were currently doing on their retakes lmao
Ngl i feel like harbor is so underrated when playing against him its just so fucking annoying and don't have much room to play or defend site and making my team always play retake
C9 have trolled harder with this yay vanity situation than i thought possible. Even if you're having a tough time financially, i feel like the move is to keep them and then get 3 up and comers to have the veterans train up
Hey guys! I really appreciated the feedback on my last video. So here's more of that! My next video should be up Wednesday and we're breaking down FNATIC's legendary comeback against LOUD. So stay tuned!
love this video as well! awesome job on it
@@wabux6791 Got 3 more being edited as we speak :)
Gj on the video! Forgive me if this sounds a little rude but I like the Sovereign Guide-esque style you’re going for
@@fewsnow i don't think it is rude, it seems most of us have seen sovereign guides first , he isn't mindlessly copying his style , i've seen a couple of channels do this style after sovereign and even tho u can notice some differences they are still quality videos so i wanna see more , fnatic's comeback would be great to see in more detail, i wanna learn ab anything i've missed :D
The players cant hear the audience, they have white noise in little earbuds
3:16 feel for that guy bro didn't get his first bump 😭
ONG 😭😭
i was looking for this comment lmao fr tho
@@siddharthgautam8494 same
@@siddharthgautam8494 mee to
@@tanix6169 ayy W
great video, definitely really odd that neither vanity nor their coach could come up with a solution here. I'm assuming they simply had zero experience facing a Harbor as seemingly no NA teams played him, but even then that's no excuse
That is a excuse. You don’t expect to face the “THE WORST” agent in the game in a fking tournament.
@@uscninja4190not expecting is a good reason, but they can still… you know, “adapt” like how the dude in the video mentioned almost every minutes of the video
@@uscninja4190 it's a bad agent in most scenarios since u need another controller to play with him but he's really gud when you have gud teamwork (pro play) especially since he's a specialist. also his ult is strong if you play around it really well. it's not meant to actually make sure the enemies are stunned like breach's ult, it's for info and annoying the enemy team. the reason why most people don't play him in comp is that most of the time, you're not five-stacking, and even if u do, most of the time, you don't have the insane teamwork pros do
@@12sikrabfinah I mean that was c9’s weakness
@@mscd3768 he depends on teamwork. But his ult is pretty good. But his remaining kit isn’t good for solo queue at all
Leaf's failure to adapt that wall tilted me so much watching them. It's such a simple fix and yet it shows his inexperience not playing duelist
i think you mean controller not duelist
@@gbhrd7385oh wtf was Leaf always a duelist player?
@@poohshysty1207 brother in this he wasn’t a duelist player but anyway I am not sure if he used to play controllers or duelists
@@poohshysty1207 he was their main duelist until el Diablo took over his role
@@smogblazer4509 no wonder
Honestly this is some vct coaching level research you did there . Actual good content for both new and pros to learn a lot. Keep up the good work .
thanks c:
Yea crazy considering I see the correct viper wall in gold lobbies
love the new case study -esque style you're going with. Especially love how even though the focus is C9's failure to adapt, you still mention and point out the conditioning DRX were doing at B main while not getting side-railed from the focus of the vid. Awesome vid man
Thank you! I'm glad you like my new style
Hé copied it drom sovereign guides
Harbour is great under the right conditions, which is also why he is generally low tier since he needs certain considitons to truly be powerful. Unlike the S tier agents like Jett and KJ who can do a lot on their own
the only thing to make harbor fucking goated is to buff his cove a tiiiinnnny bit so that it lasts just long enough to cover a full plant and safe retreat
the rest of his abilities are fucking incredible, having a horizontal wall you can launch safely, having a 30s cool down adaptive wall, and an ult that literally gives info on positions and also causes repositioning is just an insane combo
its literally just the cove thats slightly underwhelming bc even if there's just 1 person spamming it with ak, it breaks before you can get a safe plant/retreat off
@@tikkng yeah but you need good comm to fully utilize it, which doesn't exist in soloq
@Charizard24682 His only weakness (and hence the smallest pick rate among controllers) is that he is very dependent on the team. While Omen and Viper are fairly self-sufficient agents, and Brim and Astra can combo with only one of their teammates, Harbor relies entirely on the coordinated and fearless actions of the team. The team doesn't run behind your wall - you're useless. The team does not cover you during the plant (or does not use a shield for the plant) - you are useless. Doesn't go to the site and doesn't look for a kill during the ult - you're useless. So I understand why he has such a small pick rate, and Reyna has the largest. It’s good to play it at ranks above Ascendant without pain in the ass, but if u are Plat or below... its nearly impossible to be useful
@@sokolingarold1083 this make me want to play him in iron 👍
You are really good in explaining what actually the plays these pros are doing. Hopefully you can have your own review as well regarding game 5 Finals of FNC vs LOUD.
As a bronze player, this video is impressive. The analysis is so deep and I would not be able to understand why any of these things were happening without these kinds of videos. Thanks for making me understand how much difference a little teamplay can make
This just goes to show, that just because something isn't good, doesn't mean it can't work
True!
I love playing Harbor. He functions similar to Overwatch tank heroes, which I peaked plat playing, so it's great to have a similar sort of safeguard agent with moving walls that make it easy to clear angles, an insanely useful ult, and his cove being super underrated.
i love how in-depth you go with each play. it helps me think about what makes a good push and how i can optimize this playstyle to my advantage.
These videos kept me intrigued and entertained throughout its entire duration, you deserve more subscribers and u just got mine. Keep it up!
Got a ton of videos like this coming :)
@@TeetsTV nice, can't wait
3:16 that is a feels bad man
I would say the bigger mistake on round 3 was viper's positioning. Yay goes around the back to prevent a rotate, forcing rb to plant on A, which is completely fine. Knowing this, vanity and leaf should just play together, and just swing together with yay flanking when they hear the tap. But for some reason leaf just runs mid, and takes way too long to get back to vanity even after the bomb is planted. Then yay swings too early.
wow, it feels like these videos are just getting better every time I watch them :D
Got 3 more in the works, all getting better and better :)
As a viper main that wall by C9 is really painful to watch🤣.
true, how could he not know the wall line up that everyone know on that map especially when the opponent use the same spot over and over
I don't even play valorant that much, but this gave me serious ReaperEN vibes from Siege, and that was some of my favorite content around. Great video and I'd love to see more!
Love the feedback, got a ton more coming!
Teets really thought he was slick trying to sneak in a breaking bad reference at 9:05
You got me
Holy shit! This was funny, interesting, informative, and well-made all at the same time. Can already tell that this channel is gonna go big!
Got a ton more coming!
This was an awesome video - not enough content creators detailing how to creatively use agents in a tactical way and also give the corresponding counters to it. Great stuff!
yo i'm a new viewer but i'm def gonna go see if u have other videos like these out, love it when u make it entertaining and not just break the round down. Keep it up👏
Got more like these coming!
Damn bro uploaded right when I went to check his channel
Hope you enjoy it!
The graphics are brilliant and really help drive your points home as well as being entertaining! the humor added a lot as well. Keep up the good work!
Harbor is great. First agent I unlocked after recently playing for the first time two-three months ago, so much util and map control. And his ult is great for much more than concussions, the circle below the feet is visible through walls and it is also very loud
thats what ppl don't understand about harbor when they call him a dogshit hero
his ult literally only spawns below the feet and is so fucking loud, you use it on a site and it essentially just gives you wallhacks on the positions of ppl, you can hold the retreat for a free frag or prefire the corner if they didnt move and got stunned
Impressive rundown of the last game I was just listening to the audio from game 3 but seeing this kinda shows NA was not prepared enough
Glad you enjoyed
3:17 legend say he still wait for the bump first
3:16 this double fist bump fail was amazing ngl
Yeah I have realized even though I'm not a pro player a lot of people refuse to believe harbor is useful but he is seriously op when you realize nobody knows how to play against him.
he's not op at even remotely decent elo, his shield lasts waaaaay too little to be considered useful, they either gotta buff the health slightly so you can get a plant+safe retreat before 1-2 ppl can spam it down, or they need to make the shield portion go away but the actual water smoke stay until it expires like other smokes/walls
@@tikkng what about now?
Bro is so mad on leaf for that viper wall 💀 I can feel it 🤣
This is actually a banger video and it reminds me of Sovereign Guides Channel Keep It Up ! ❤
Glad you enjoyed :)
Omg I actually thought I was on a sovereign guides video
I really wonder why they didn't decide to do the default 410 wall on A? Doesn't make sense at all for me. Great video though. You're one of the few channels who break down plays in a proper way understanding the game. You're not far away from Sliggy & Seangares.
That warms my heart to hear
@@TeetsTV aa
Because people could scale on the zip and hide behind 410
@@pub2592 Don't agree with that. You give them space on maze with c9 wall. There is a better way to wall 410 then the default one which gives less space on 410.
8:22 they dont hear the crowd btw, they have to use on ear headphones that make white noise ontop of the earbuds that give their game sounds and voice comms. and they dont hear the keyboard clicking either.. noise suppression.. but yeah
Lmao none of that matters bro especially when LOUD is playing. The whole stadium vs some white noise isnt gonna do anything. Plus you can feel the vibrations from the shouts in the arena.
No such thing as a “low tier agent”, It’s all about the players who use them improperly and properly.
Exactly, not enough people acknowledge that
So, I guess Harbor can shine as a second controller, he’s utility is very aggressive, so he’s some kind of initiator/controller hybrid
I would be really happy if harbor will become meta at least at icebox
yeah thats why i love playing that fucker. i hate when people think hes a 'true' controller.
his walls and cascades are absolutely fucking awful for site control, theyre just literally PERFECT for quick map control and isolating angles to get better positioning
he's like a position 4 role in dota, not hard support but like an adaptive 'roamer' kinda thing
big fan just from 2 videos, can see u getting big within few months
Why is brimstone 10% he is good and now with his combo with gekko he and gekko are the op combo with their ults
Another good video, will definitely be waiting for next upload.
Coming Wednesday :)
This is the first time ive heard that Harbor is a low tier agent
I finally got him a few days ago but i found his abilities are very good for pushing or retaking a site, especially his ult where it forces enemies out of a site
4:00 That harbor wall is so perfectly placed that’s not an easy one
This Harbor play reminds me of forsaken using Yoru & hus opponents were finding it hard to counter as well
Really sad that even though he has thousands of hours on yoru he is forced to play agents like chamber and jett because of the meta.
Both you and Sovereign Guides have the best analysis with humor too!
Thanks!
Guys this doesn't work on low elo, when they hear your cove they will rush inside it immediately and ur teammates are just watching the enemy go inside your cove instead of shooting them.
I mean it’s low elo, obviously they also have slow reaction time
@@12sikrabfinah yeah and no comms like 90% of the time
pro play does not equal to low elo, the only way out is to just frag.
@@santrichuumonster tbf, pro play is nowhere close to high elo leave alone low elo bro
Really how did they never come up with the idea to change their viper wall, for retake. This on a pro level team, is astonishing to me.
I have just found your channel.
*Excuse while I binge everything you've ever made*
LOL I appreciate it
@@TeetsTV well-deserved. This kind of hypercritical analysis is so satisfying to listen to and see play out.
If no one else tells you today, I will: your channel is CRIMINALLY underrated.
Little correction on round 8, the headphones that the players wear are designed to block out audience cheers. there’s actually smaller earphones that is used for in game sounds and comms
Love your videos man, keep it up
Got a ton more being edited as I type this reply :)
Damn, that's such a huge oversight. I normally don't expect that big of a mess up from a pro team.
Bro best valorant vid ever watched. Really good info and so funny hope you'll make more :)
got a ton more coming :)
This is why vanity is a bad IGL despite his loud mouth, he can't adapt like boaster or FNS
Wouldn't say he's bad, but this map was not a good showing for them
@@TeetsTV Maybe I'm too harsh, but that multiple attempts by DRX planting at the same spot over and over again without any clear counter from C9 is just unbelievable.
Maybe karma has got'em real good
Yo this is pure gold content! Show this man more love!
3:17 he left that guy hanging for a fist bump HADHDHa
3:16 was rough. Man just wanted a fistbump 👊
DRX is actually scary if ur think about their ability to adjust. Maybe not that scary in the big league but still, you can’t underestimate them. This applies to all Pacific teams.
9:32 finally somebody acknowledged that harbors ult is good, so many people call it bad or even one of the worst
Harbor is the most underrated character this videogame has ever had
True!
I don't think the viper wall being placed differently would've helped them much at defusing the spike, they needed to stop them from planting topside, or save the sage wall for it at least (maybe even have someone flank)
i mean itd have given some better info on spam positioning thru the wall from the tracers if they just tap the bomb once, then they can spam back thru the wall
but yeah ofc its not a 100% counter like a sage wall, but it's a HELL of a lot better than what they were currently doing on their retakes lmao
nice video bro, even just watching i got 1st degree burn. and very nice analysis, i can learn to be a better smoker thanks
Glad you liked it :)
high quality video. Subscribed! hope you get big!
I got more videos like this coming!
Great video and analysis. Keep this format up!!
Can you showcase Loud's usage of Skye? It's very interesting how they played her almost every map
Love these kind of Valo Breakdown vids. Keep it up!
I'm a bit picky but... Hope that the quality a bit more hd.
Love this breakdown analysis type of video, reminds me of sovereign guide.
Man this style of vid is so fucking good, i really like it, thx man
again the quality of these videos is amazing thanks for the content ❤
This is why I don't understand what coaches actually do? how they did the same exact plant 7 rounds in a row and zero changes were called.
I like these kinds of videos. The editing is good and entertaining and they help fill in the time between sovereign guide videos.
3:17 ouch!!!
really great editing! 😊
Thank you! Put a lot of time into this one
Are we gonna talk abt how there was a double fist bump that both got left to dry at 3:18. That's rough.
I thought I was watching sovereign guides lmao you make such high quality vids,
Keep up the good work!
Ngl i feel like harbor is so underrated when playing against him its just so fucking annoying and don't have much room to play or defend site and making my team always play retake
3:16 that fist bump 😭😭😭😭
you deserve all the support dude
The laugh at the end made my day :D
keep up the good videos :)
can we mention the attempted fist bump at 3:16 LMAO
holy did not relize you are so underated you gotta be a coach lol
For the right team I would!
C9 changed their roster before leaf changed his viper wall
Maybe low Pick rate in ranked but holy this vct he was basically on every teams agent comp
this is so good, ur going places mr teets
Yall are coming with me
3:17 bro really left him hanging:(
3:18 left my man hanging 😂
3:15 sad dude gets no fistbump
One taunt from Vanity flipped the whole team's future upside down. Retribution.
3:16 that shit is painful for middle guy
That was a great video! Even tho I’m only silver for me hooked throughout the vid
3:15 no fist bumps were made
C9 have trolled harder with this yay vanity situation than i thought possible. Even if you're having a tough time financially, i feel like the move is to keep them and then get 3 up and comers to have the veterans train up
wait brim is the least picked character? why? legitimately curious i just started playing and really like playing brim.
Love the analysis video even tho i didn't play anymore, keep it up!
Great video. Less of an argument for Harbors util, and more of an example of Cloud 9s lack of adaptability. Harbor still needs a buff. Haha
3:15 awkward fist bump LOL
This is like that Astralis outplay VS Liquid on Vertigo
Please do FNC and loud next, the 2 win streak and 2 lose streak is actually intriguing
Just did one on their comeback!
Damn left bro hanging at 3:15
It blows my mind that they never changed the viper wall on the entire half 💀
They couldn’t hear the crowds cheering, the headphones that they were wearing are noise cancelling headphones i’m pretty certain.
When I saw the 3v5 during the live I was laughing at c9 man they were throwing such an easy round 💀💀
7:59 I play Sage and I plant in that same spot whenever possible. Default plant is such a shitty spot to plant
Just a suggestion make a video about team secret vs team liquid, it was probably the biggest upset of the tournament 😊