Converting a Senton to brushless
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2020
- In this video, I install a 3150kv 4 pole brushless motor and 130 amp sensor-less ESC from Spektrum into an Arrma Senton. Even though I have only run it with a 2s LiPo so far, I can tell this upgrade is well worth it. Sure you can run your brushed motor on 2s and put in a bigger pinion, but in comparison to brushless, even that is slow.
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Just bought this truck and am already looking to upgrade to brushless excellent video thank you for the info!!! Subscribed!
this is literally what ive been looking for i have all these upgrades laying around so i am stoked to have watched this video
just bought the senton an now ready to take it up a notch now
You wont regret the upgrade. Been having tons of fun with mine!
@@fullandtenth6405 any videos coming soon ??
I just got one myself and working on doing the same thing! I can wait and thanks for the video!
Just got mine today
Thanks for the vid! It was awesome. Ima cop me on of these
Very nice video. Thank you for the content!
Cheers from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷. 🙋🏽♂️
Thank you for watching! I appreciate your support!
Bro thank you so much for this video, I burnt out my 550 brushed just like you and now in process of doing this same setup!
Glad I could help! you will have so much fun!
Same
I burnt mine out within the first few runs so it sat and then leaked all the shock oil out. So I’ve never done anything with it for years cause I didn’t feel like spending the money
always good to calibrate the esc
Nice conversation from brushed to brushless. I have the v3 3s senton and man I gotta tell you it's so much fun!!!😊You are going to love it on 3s your esc can handle 4s but I think that would be a lil over kill? But thanks for sharing and glad I found your channel😊
I can see what you mean! This thing rips even with a 2s. I agree that 4s may be overkill, though still may be fun to do a comparison in a future video. Thank you so much for the support! Looking forward to making many more videos in the future.
I love these kind of videos. Its plug and play lol. How difficult could it be?
Arrma uses spektrum exclusively so there shouldn’t be any issues. Lol again.
Next video I’ll show you how to put batteries in your transmitter. Best video ever. Thank you.
You were just born knowing how to do it huh lol if it’s not for you don’t watch it
saved me with pinion info thanks
Glad I could help!
_I too made the mistake of not just paying up for the brushless system to begin w since iv at this point gone from the same spektrum setup you got to now im running the blx 185 esc and motor which is a 1/8 scale setup which i got by mistake ( i know im an idiot but ive made it fit)that along w 6s 100c batt and a set of speedhawk tires by speed treads for some much needed stability which a soft lowered suspension helped w that...i switched back down to a 20t pinion from a 26t so not to burn up the motor and the thing is fast af..going full throttle it pulls backflips already doin about 40mph at mid throttle..you're def gonna need to upgrade that spur gear as i chewed thru mine in about 2min and the metal motor mount is nice as well..now im gonna try out this 75mph upgrade for losi mini T ..anyway nice vid gdluck w it_
I have the same exact setup with the red version. My stock esc malfunctioned and did a runaway causing the esc and motor to smoke. So this upgrade had a reason lurking behind it.
Run it on 4S I have the same system. That 3150 KV motor it's a beast.
I have plans to do so in the future, after a few more upgrades and plenty of bashing.
DAMNIT! Just got halfway through the install and realized I need to get a new pinion
Perfect this is exactly what I was doing
Very great video man, I copied you but went to 3s as soon as I got the parts. Please make more vids about your upgrades
You bet I will! I've had more time recently, so watch out for more videos coming soon. Also, thank you so much for your support!
You’re welcome! Since we have the same set up man, what do you think will be our limit on batteries? 4s maybe 6s?
thank you for this
You're very welcome!
What spectrum transmitter do you run with this? How’s the set up? Do you need a computer to program it all together? Thanks
Also what spur gear do you need to run that 130 motor combo for the senton mega
How fast would my rustler go if I put that combo in with 3s if you had to guess
Sorry for the silence? THANK YOU FOR NO ANNOYING MUSIC! Thumbs Up!
What the specs on the big black and red gear next to the pinion please help how's the truck holding up btw
I burned out the old 550 MEGA 12 that my Arrma Sento came stock with by running a 22t pinion gear in it... I think I killed it. I unfortunately refuse to downgrade my pinion gear though and hope this motor conversion lets me keep running it.
Got the same mega.. my car steering works but all of a sudden my motor won't work. It shoes light as red when I hit accelerate but no wheel movement.
Need the metal slipper pads now and 6s
Have you had any issues with this motor? I just installed mine, and something has came apart internally, after only 1 battery
Where did you get the screws from ?
Would this work if I used a bigger motor?
Will that motor work in a stampede 4x4
Hey do you know where to get it what it is called and what size do in need for the ⚙ like this vid
If you really want to get the most out of that set up, convert to 32 pitch spur n pinion. It will make a dramatic change. I did it to mine and its a beast now.
I have since moved up to the 32 pitch brushless gears, and you are indeed correct. Though it is still nice that it is possible to run brushless with the included clutch.
Could you direct me to the specific spur and pinion
@@fullandtenth6405 and what tooth pinion
@@kiingtez-6451
Start with 81t spur. Then you can experiment with the pinion.
Lower tooth pinion will give you more torque.
Higher tooth will increase speed.
I use 19 tooth, give me good speed with a powerful punch.
But if you use street tires and you're just doing speed runs, you can increase to 21 or 22.
Be careful not to overheat.
@@simonsays3063 what tooth pinion can I use for the regular spur gear and I see a 48 pitch 91 tooth for the Arrma senton but not the 81 tooth for the senton
How did you get the stock radio to bind with the new Esc or does it just automatically do that? Sorry I am a hobby rc car level noob
I’m having that problem i put new esc in and it’s not connected with my controller
Heyy one last question, you converted it, but can you use th3 stock transmitter with this setup? And if i want a conversion, can i buy like, a vl traxxas brushless motor and a other ecs from other brand like sprektrum
yes, the slt3 transmitter it comes with works just fine, I am still using it. also, pretty much any motor and esc setup with a 540 sized motor will fit, choices are certainly not limited to the spektrum setup I showed in the video
i have a arrma senton what spur gear and pinion should i use
Has this ESC and Brushless motor have given you any problems? I just bought me a 4x4 Senton Brushed on sale.
Can you send a link of where you got the motor,ESC, and battery. That’ll be great, my motor went bad and I’m just came across your previous video for how to replace it and then watch this one! I just wanted to make it better.
Hello Samuel,
the motor and ESC I chose are from Spektrum and can be found on Amain, Horizon hobby, and on Amazon by searching for either "Spektrum motor" or "Spektrum ESC." The motor and ESC you choose will depend on what you plan to do with it. I opted for a 130 amp ESC and 1350Kv motor, though in a similar setup a 100 amp esc would be plenty.
Hope this helps!
@@fullandtenth6405 thank you so much
What about the spektrum firma 85A with a 4000kv brushless motor? Is that any good?
Please tell me how you did this with the sour gear I’m stuck
While I was installing the scrub screw into the pinon I found the scrub screw wasn’t going completely in, causing the spear
gear to not spin without hitting the scrub screw have you had this issue when making this? And if so how do u comp with it
If the grub screw is contacting the spur, i would first try moving the pinion down the motor shaft slightly until it clears. If that does not work, then try flipping the pinon so the grub screw is on the other side of the spur gear.
Had the same problem, just adjust the pinion down or up but make sure it still has good contact with the spur gear.
Have you tried flipping the wires on your set up? I did the same conversion and it was slow(ish) but I noticed in reverse it was crazy fast. Swapped the leads (blue to orange and visa versa) and now it’s stupid fast. Like spinning all 4 wheels from a 35mph roll
Got any videos of it?
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@@lancestickle4346 is that all stock gearing?
Mine is the same way
Can i use the nimh battery connector on this esc
Did gou upgrade the center brace and spur? I hear horror stories of mega spurs stripping out from going brushless.
i have since upgraded the slipper clutch assembly, and honestly the mega spur is not that bad as long as you learn just a little throttle control. You could even break the brushless spur if you just jam on it too often.
I got the same setup I just put in but trying to program my esc been tricky I think its because my battery isn’t strong enough to power it I ordered a 3s any tips for me ?
Personally I found that after calibration, the factory settings worked very well. Of course stepping up to a 3s from a 2s or a NiMH will be a pretty substantial boost in performance. The 3s battery really unlocks the potential of this wicked combo, so a good choice there. Only other thing I would say is make sure you got fresh batteries in your transmitter. Cant say how many times that has solved strange issues.
So why does mine go faster in reverse?
Did you change any other parts when converting to brushless?
The only parts I changed were the motor, speed control, and pinion gear, as well as a 2s lipo I had been using before the conversion. everything else was stock when I did the conversion.
I am about to get this setup but I have a question if I went with a 4300kv motor would It increase the speed but a lot or not as much? Also can you give me a link for the screws that you used to put the esc in, and can you give me a link for the motor and esc? Also i love the content first channel I found that is helpful and I call follow along with😁
A higher Kv rating will mean more speed, so a 4300kv will be faster than a 3150kv for example. As far as the esc screws go, I used 3x8mm screws to mount it in the lower location. I could not find a link to the exact brand I got but here's some similar ones: www.amainhobbies.com/team-losi-racing-3x8mm-cap-head-screw-10-tlr5930/p216970 . I opted to make my vehicle 4s capable, which is overkill ESC: www.amainhobbies.com/spektrum-rc-firma-130-amp-brushless-smart-esc-spmxse1130/p1049221 Motor: www.amainhobbies.com/spektrum-rc-firma-sensorless-brushless-motor-3150kv-spmxsm1000/p1051823 . A much more sensible 3s setup can actually be purchased as a combo now, and saves you a bit of money that way as well, here's a link to that: www.amainhobbies.com/spektrum-rc-firma-85-amp-sensorless-brushless-smart-esc-motor-combo-3300kv-spmxsemc01/p1261460 . Also thank you so much for your support!
@@fullandtenth6405 thank you your the best!
@@fullandtenth6405 can you also send me a link for the pinion 51t brushless slipper please?
Does the pitch matter? I'm going through the same thing with my granite 4x4. Found out about the pinion gear after the hobby shop was closed for the weekend. I see alot of 32 pitch on horizon website
Yes the pitch does matter if your vehicle requires 48 pitch you need 48 if your vehicle requires 38 you need 38 and so on..
@@derekcleland5281 thanks I'm new to this. Did some research and realized my truck has a 48 pitch gear. How did your plastic spur gear hold up to the new motor? I'm thinking it might be a good move to upgrade that while everything is apart
@@grantlingjones26 I haven’t yet finished this conversation yet I’m sure the plastic one will hold up fine but it wouldn’t be such a bad idea to put a new metal one in
Speaking from my personal experience, the stock plastic spur holds up alright with 2s and 3s. This is because even with the slipper tightened al the way the clutch will still spin, preventing the gears from just grenading on full throttle. I recently upgraded to the brushless slipper, which is mod 0.8 (roughly 32 pitch), which slips a lot less. The brushless clutch and spur are also stronger, unsurprisingly, and I still have no trouble with a 3s battery
@@fullandtenth6405 got my pinion gear installed tonight, unfortunately the upgraded spur kit is on back order from arrma. The new motor is very impressive and worth the upgrade. Thanks for the video, it helped alot
Can these new esc take nimh battery automatically or is there a fuse to move?
Or not possible?
It can run on a NiMH battery, and to put it in NiMH mode consult your manual. I do not remember exactly how but I know it has something to do with the set button.
And is there a csi connector one
Would a 120 amp esc work?
How do I change the battery type on one? I’m have the same combo that’s on lipo and I want to run nimh in it
Is it brushed? Or brushless?
Can you send me the link for these components
Can i convert it with only the motor? And how fast is it now? Much thanks
Unfortunately no. going from brushed setups to brushless requires an esc with the motor.
@@fullandtenth6405 thanks for the reply!! Keep up the incredible work!!!!
You dont have glitching problems?
Try 24T! 💪🏁
What will 24t do? Just wondering I just got into the hobby and
What connector is on the esc
how do i pair the controller to the esc
all you have to do is plug the ESC into the receiver, binding should not be necessary.
When i search up. 54t brushless slipper spur gear i can only find traxxes gears and the same for the 21t pinion gear can traxxes gears go into a arma senton
Can you just give me the gear links i need to make it go 60mhp pls
yeah i was mistaken the spur is a 57t.
pinion: www.amainhobbies.com/robinson-racing-absolute-32p-hardened-pinion-gear-23t-rrp1723/p454468?v=186550
slipper/spur: www.amainhobbies.com/arrma-blx-4x4-hd-mod-0.8-slipper-set-57t-ara310949/p974440
@@fullandtenth6405 thank you you helped me out alot
@@fullandtenth6405 can you put the link for the spur gear and slipper gear to please
@@fullandtenth6405 hey kind sir, will those links you sent fit and work if I am upgrading my Arma senton mega 550 to brushless with your exact set up?
I bought this exact setup for my Senton. Will it handle 11.4 volt 3s???
It will indeed! I have been running mine on 3s for a while. It is very much faster than 2s or NiMH, and quite a bit more torque as well.
Cool. Just got a spektrum 11.4v 5000mh today👍
How about an aluminum motor mount? This motor SHREDDED itself. And the bearings.
does anybody have the links to the products
No offense, but you are better off googling as many shops carry them, but the best place to go is horizonhobby, who usually distributes them
Just curious what pinion gear did you use?
initially I had a 19 tooth, however I moved to a 23 when I changed it to the brushless slipper clutch.
@@fullandtenth6405 thank you.
Can u link the 19T pinion geer u used???
Here it is on Amain Hobbies:
www.amainhobbies.com/robinson-racing-48p-machined-pinion-gear-5mm-bore-19t-rrp2019/p-qeaxq2yqgzzxactz?v=218934
Does anyone have the link for the pinion gear he uses ?
You can use stock pinion gear. Just has to be flipped
can you put the link for the spur gear and slipper gear to please
The spur/slipper is sold as an entire assembly and there are 2 options, one with metal gear and one with plastic gear, (plastic is cheaper)
metal: www.amainhobbies.com/arrma-4s-blx-0.8mod-steel-slipper-set-57t-ara310948/p967953
plastic: www.amainhobbies.com/arrma-blx-4x4-hd-mod-0.8-slipper-set-57t-ara310949/p974440
@@fullandtenth6405 ok thanks, im still a little
new to rc
Which batteries fit in it and which one is the best? (Budget)
pretty much any 2 or 3 cell LiPos will fit and work great (of course only 3s if you have upgraded to a capable motor and esc). you may just need an adapter if the plug types don't match.
@@fullandtenth6405 thanks
im gonna have the brushless set up before the senton even gets here lol
Did you replace the servo right the next day. 🤣
Can you run 4s with that speed control?
Yes, I have the 130amp esc and a 1900kv in a bigrock and it says it can do 6s! But I only run it on 3 and 4
@@twocrowsknows2811 Are the internal parts holding up running it on 4S? My local hobby shop said anything over a 3S would destroy the internal parts.
@@treysals only had the setup a few days and put 5 packs through it. So far so good, I am concerned as well about the spur gear but the plastic one is only like 5 bucks. I'm scared to upgrade to a steel one in case it makes it eat something more expensive. Only time will tell
I bought the same motor with the 32p 20t 5mm pinion and it doesnt fit
What about it doesnt fit?
Do you still have the link to the motor? I can’t find it with the esc
nvm i got it
I would like the link
@@51-FS let me know if you have any problems i can probably answer
Can u give me a link to what u used?
It won’t let me post one sec
Would the Firma 85 A brushless work
yes the 85a would be plenty for a 3s setup. the 130 is overkill, but could do 4s
@@fullandtenth6405 thanks
I put this setup in my senton and it’s going slower . Do you know what could be causing that ?
There are 2 things in my mind that may be causing it. What battery are you putting in it, and what size pinion are you using?
@@fullandtenth6405 a 3300mAh 8.4 v and the stock pinion , they guy at the hobby shop told me it should work fine with the battery so I’m thinking it’s the pinion
yeah the stock pinion is a bit small, i'd recommend stepping up 3 or 4 teeth.
@@fullandtenth6405 did you end up having to upgrade the spur gear cuz if destroyed 3 in 2 days ?
I never really damaged the stock spur, however I have since upgraded to the brushless slipper and spur assembly.
How fast does it go now?
hey dude i saw your comment and it was recent i think he quit sadly, he posted 6 months ago
How is this holding up?
This setup has held up great for me, no issues at all. would definitely recommend. Though the 130 amp is a little bit overkill.
My steering won’t work any ideas?
Hard to say exactly what it could be. Though, it could be a bad servo, broken linkage, or even as simple as a rock jamming up the steering.
Where can I get those parts?
Local hobby shops, for example HobbytownUSA or online places like Horizon hobby or Amain hobbies
Do u have a link for us dummies? Lol
When I installed my motor it went faster going backwards then forwards
Did you figure out what was wrong?
Mine goes fast and slows right down and stops idk what’s wrong with it
I’m using a 3300 mah 7.4 cell nimh battery so I’m thinking it’s the battery
depending on how much you've used the NiMH as well, that could definitely be it. While it should run fine with a NiMH for at least 10 mins, best performance will come from LiPo batteries, typically a 2 or 3s.
@@fullandtenth6405 I just bought the extra 2 weeks ago the guy said I have to set it to full in the programmable settings, he said the battery would work fine
You did not show how to reconnect the motor to the diff
Hey, have you ran this conversation on 4s yet I wanna know if the motor can handle 4s?
Unfortunately I have not tried a 4s battery with this motor/esc combo yet, however I am definitely going to try it sometime. I'll be sure to share my thoughts when I get a chance.
@@fullandtenth6405 sounds good👍
What size pinion gear do you need for that 130 amp motor?
Man, never drive like that on 2s. If your lipo could talk, let me tell that IT WOULD BE MAD!
You should use at least a 3s 5000mAh.
Just start with a brushless its better in the long more reliable
Yeah we know that now... lol but the brushed is 100 bucks cheaper and comes with a battery... lol wish I would of spent the extra 100 bucks on the brushless
Doesn’t work, my esc and receiver are built into one, followd this video and just ended up having to spend more money
For the senton? You remove the stock esc
does the motor and esc run on nimh too
the motor and esc I show in the video can use NiMH batteries as well, however the performance will be far less than even with a 2 cell LiPo.
@@fullandtenth6405 thank you