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Correction: Olds did not come up with the BOLO idea. Cherry and Wetterhan came up with the idea and had Olds submit it to command for approval. General Olds was my hero as a kid. I got to meet him at an airshow once. He was a great fighter pilot, but a better human being. Heaven is safer with you flying cover. RIP General. -PhantomF4G
So these 2 Luetenants "instructed Olds to send it up to command?" ..... Probably not. More likely, Olds liked the idea and collaborated on the plan, approved it before taking it to the General.
@@j.w.perkins6004 A better word would be "asked". My twin brother was stationed at Ubon at the same time I was at Korat, 1966-7. We volunteered in 1963.
From what I heard in dogfights, this it messed with their ability to operate and now they weren’t sure wether it was F-105's or F-4's waiting in ambush again
Every good story involves Thunderchiefs and Phantoms. Speaking of Thunderchiefs, theres two F-105 pilots who received the Medal of Honor. Their stories are pretty badass
As an aside-ish thing we still had F-105's with the reserve wing here at Hill when I first arrived in 85. I'd always heard the nickname "Thud" came from the sound of the F-105 hitting the ground but figured it was simply a shortened version of the actual name "Thunderchief". I was wrong and the night the last two 105's left for the boneyard I found it was called that. I was at the far end of the runway waiting on the road to access the taxiway to get to a hard pad when they rolled up for take off. First the throttles went to full power with a roar, then the roar deepened as they started to roll. Then there was a huge THUD as they hit the water injection and two spikes of flame climbed almost vertically off the runway. Hell of a memory and hell of a sight.
@@tedoptional-p8l No idea WHAT you could mean :) When the F-16s started flying at HIll AFB some in the local community complained about the noise and official said it was "the sound of freedom!" I now live about 1000 yards off the end of the runway (slightly to one side :) ) and now the F-35's "sound of freedom" is shaking stuff off the walls of my house :)
Down in my back due to an injury obtained during a mission. Some good days , some bad , but a good cup of coffee , my meds, and especially TJ dropping a vid just made my day a little brighter. 😊
The F-105 was not some helpless prey. They had a 20mm cannon at a time when the F4 didn't and down low they were an absolute rocket ship. They were responsible for downing several MiGs during the war.
They were a plane fulfilling a mission they weren't designed for expect losses. Pentagon is probably to blame for not having a better plane than 105 and navy high upside are responsible for thinking guns weren't necessary on f4. They failed in their job and weren't held accountable
Rolling Thunder was a hedge trimming exercise. By the time a mission made i's way up the chain, got approval in D.C. and made its way back down, the targets were moved or the strike was modified to the point where they were pounding mud. Criminal that he was (I mean Johnson was too) Nixon pulled the stop pins with Linebacker I & II. We went "downtown" on those and brought Hanoi to the table. Olds also got called on the carpet for this operation. They planned it at the wing level and kept D.C. out of it. McNamara was livid. But what could he do? FTR, Robin Olds and Wyatt Earp have styled my mustache for decades.
@@garydaniels5495: This type of decision making is one of the reasons why the US lost the Vietnam War. LBJ prided himself that he had to approved every bombing mission in North Vietnam. And to add gasoline to the fire, the US made their rules of engagement public, and to the adversary, dumb dbumb, dumb. LBJ and his Great Society program brought the US welfare system to what it is today, millions of people dependent on government handouts. But you have to give LBJ credit, he didn't start the Vietnam War, he inherited when John Kennedy was assassinated. Remember VPs are selected on the basis of how many votes can they draw.
@@garydaniels5495 My late wife (fu_k cancer) said, "The Department of Defense needs to have its name changed back to The War Department. The military branches need to be given objectives, and the means to achieve victory without political interference. The point of the military is to kill people and break stuff. Don't train men to be beasts only to force them to sit, lay down, and roll over. Turn our fighting forces loose to DESTROY THE ENEMY UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY." Also, the Allies should have supported Ho Chi Minh when he asked for help in getting the French out of Vietnam. Oh, but nooooo, we didn't do that. The whole mess could have been avoided.
n 1991 usa invited russians for a simulated dogfight ,SU27 vs f15 . russians won overwhelming 8-0 , and merics were real looser assholes before and after the fight . USA is so pathetic, when journalist asked how it went merican general said it was pretty even , after they lost they fuelled the su27 with their low quality fuel , both su27 almost fell from heaven from 11.000m high, but lukily the su27 could start their engines at 2.500m again, they even told the merics if they drop give coordinates for help. they just left fullthrotle.
Great story. My experience was with RF4B Photo birds. 1967-2006, USMC, Vietnam. We flew in fast and took the pictures, with EA6B escorts with ECM. Thanks and Semper Fi.
I'm reading Fighter Pilot: The Memories of Legendary Ace Robin Olds right now. He describes these very tactics when he enters in the Vietnam War. This video is perfect for anyone who's reading the book.
Awesome! My dad was "Phil": then Major Philip P Combies. He was Rambler 04 on Bolo and had a probable Mig-21 kill and a confirmed Mig-21 kill on Bolo. On May 20, 1967 he shot down a Mig-17 and received the Silver Star for his gallantry in action that day. He served as a flight commander in the 433rd TFS "Satan's Angels".
Excellent presentation, augmented by the most authentic animations seen yet. Gone are the days of reliance on archival film and video. We especially like your critical analyses, based on reliable authority
I was at Korat in 1966-7. We did not have as bad a opinion of the F-105 as is portrayed here. It was an old fighter by this time and we used what we had (as always). It was the Russians that were the problem, not the North Vietnamese. They were much better pilots than the North Vietnamese. The same is true of the SAMS, the Russian technicians were much better than the Vietnamese. No one mentions how fast the F-105 could go if it was in one piece, close to 2,000 mph. (Once). (A little over 1,000 mph on the deck compared to the MIG-21's approx 750 mph). Ask the Russians how they liked the AGM-45 Shrike.
Great video. The animation was awesome . I am fortunate to have gotten to meet VN War pilots from the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. I always enjoyed their stories.
Olds was the quintessential fighter pilot! Operation Bolo, however, wasn't originally his idea but Capt. John Stone's. Stone brought it to Olds, he agreed with it and assigned 4 pilots (one of which was Stone) to plan it out. I don't say this to diminish anything that Olds did, but rather to ensure that the other pilots receive their due credit!
This story never gets old. If true warriors like Robin Olds had been allowed to bring the fight to the enemy in this manner Vietnam would have ended very differently.
One of my first memories of the Vietnam War was this story! Naturally, it was not in as much detail as this! This video fills the voids............. after all those years!
Jeez... you're quite the know it all aren't you?!...hetter fheck your facts befire talking to a "Phantom driver like that. The F4E had an M61 Vulcan cannon mounted directly under the radome@@petec9582
My father in law helped developed a radar jamming device that helped bring down north Vietnam Migs, he was a officer in electronic warfare aboard a carrier in the 60s he got a medal from the navy for a job well done
In 1990 I had to go to DMRO for Kaiserslautern was near Kleber. We had M60 track pads to deliver for surplus. At the yard just about everything was there, bonus they had about 3 retired F-4 trainers that were only the fuselage. Got two upper side mirrors and a seat cushion from one of the trainers. Later in a surprise inspection the CSM (Vietnam Vet) came into my room and saw the seat cushion and asked why I had it. I said it was from an F-4......nothing else was said and he walked out.
What a coincidence, as I was traveling East on I-80 in Nebraska I was listening / watching this video and I looked over to my left and there was an F-105 on a pylon right next to the highway. Gorgeous looking bird
F-105 Thunderchief's replacement the F-111 didn't do that well at first deployment, due to it's wing pivot box failures but once this was rectified along with the second deployment of the F-111 these aircraft were untouchable with the best bombing strike survival records of any aircraft in the Vietnam war.
You should definitely do a video on viper pettigrew im not sure if he had any air to air victories in combat but i am sure if it wasn't for him topgun 1 and 2 and our beloved F-14 wouldn't be the same...rip bud Anderson rip viper pettigrew and rip robin olds
Nobody gets to be called "Kick Ass" anymore after these guys did this. Wiped out half the enemy's air force Mig21 fleet in a single day? They ain't comin' back for more.
Great rendition and visuals to what i consider the greatest aircraft ever built, and great equalizer for the MiG in Vietnam, and suitable for import to other nations. Peace
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Olds died a matter of weeks before I was nearly killed when my friend lost control of his car and ripped it in half. I'd always planned on joining the Air Force, wanting to fly the F-15. My father flew the F-4 and then the F-15 when they entered service. Small world.
The air war specifically Rolling Thunder had a massive effect on the war. Even Vietnams leaders stated had the bombing continued for another 2 weeks they would have surrendered. If it hadn’t been for Hanoi Jane and others the outcome should have been different. I feel for the U.S. ground troops. Those guys were hero’s and tough!
Cool a new TJ3 Video, What a great way to start the weekend . As always you never disappoint. Thanks for all your hard work and research you put into making these videos for us. Have a wonderful weekend my friend and Please Keep 'em flyin we've got your six.
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The VPAF hadn't received MiG-21F-13's at this point in the war, they were instead using MiG-21PFL's, an export variant of the MiG-21PF with the FL's radar and sensor suite, of course we don't have that plane in-game, the closest we have is the event locked PFM (which still has a different tail structure and cockpit vs the PFL) and we don't have VPAF skins for it, overall a pretty nice recreation regardless :D
His name before the video reveals his name was Robin olds the North Vietnamese ground controllers as well as the pilots were using the Soviet Style when it came to ground controllers and Pilots following orders.
IRL MiG-21 was very effective and scored 165 air victories, with the loss of 65 aircraft according to Vietnam. According to US data MiG-21s downed 103 planes at cost of 79 own.
After we got our hands on a MIG-21stolen by a defector, a top secret operation at area 51 led to a tactics change that dramatically improved the kill ratio between F-4 and MIG-21.
Are you sure that it was from a defector? The version that I heard was that, we got a MIG-21 from Canada. The short version of the story is, that, Canada was pissed that we wouldn't sell them our top fighter. So they surreptitiously bought a bunch of MIG-21s from the Soviet Union. They learned how to fly them. But then the US found out about it. The US made Canada give them all back to the Soviets, except for two. One crashed (during routine training operations in Canada), out of fuel. And the US asked for the other one. (Hopefully, the US paid for it.) Now it's possible that we are both correct. Now, I do know of a MIG-25 Foxbat that a Soviet defector flew to Japan. I actually remember reading in Time Magazine about that when it happened. "On September 6, 1976, Lieutenant Viktor Belenko of the Soviet Air Defense Forces defected by flying his Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25P "Foxbat" aircraft from near Vladivostok in the Far East of the Soviet Union to Hakodate Airport in Hokkaido Prefecture of Japan." - Wikipedia, for what that's worth.
@@perrybonney9090 Thanks for the info. I saw the note about the defecting Mig21 on another Area51 video divulging some declassified info. We also directly stole a Hind helo. Hoisted it right off of an African airfield where it was awaiting repairs.
Robin Olds is an interesting character. Too bad he didn't get a chance to fly in Korea (against his best efforts to do so). Honestly, there are times when a man like him has been needed in command. He may bend some rules but in my research, almost always for the right reasons. He was never one to pull any punches in speaking his mind.
You left out some of the best parts, like how they grounded every single other US aircraft to pull this off (you had to have visual confirmation to launch a missile) they also didnt tell the NSA about the operation because they needed their surveillance planes to pull it off.
It took tactics. Tactics that favored the F-4’s strengths. Any Phantom driver will tell you don’t tangle with a MiG-21 down low, they’ll outmaneuver you. The same way the AVG used their inferior Flying Tiger P-40’s to best far superior Oscars and Zeros.
It's always a treat to see a brand new video of you guys! Love your guys' content! keep it up! are you guys still gonna do the big episode of the newly found d-day footage???
We always hear about the amazing exploits of the US pilots during this war. It would be more interesting to hear some accounts of the MIG pilots. I'm sure they're not all of the Stormtrooper ilk given the losses reported even in this clip.
I very good video, for sure, but having heard MOST of the total story on cable tv, several years ago, I was disappointed that "the rest of the story" wasn't covered. What the cable tv version mentioned, was how the US had anticipated that these short-ranged MIG-21s would get low on fuel, and then, unable to land at their own base (for reasons that I can't remember), they would proceed to another North Vietnamese airbase. The US had fighters waiting for the MIGs there. The US also anticipated that the MIGs would then proceed on to an airbase inside China. The US had fighters waiting for them to start heading there. But, unfortunately, I never got to watch what happened in that part of the battle. I was hoping that I would get to catch it here, but no such luck. Perhaps I can do an online search of the story, and just read about it. At least I now know that it was called "Operation Bolo". But, at least, I did get to enjoy what was presented here.
A fully booked Hanoi Hilton says otherwise ! Fighters jousting in the air does not indicate who wins and loses. When one accounts for the bombers the Air Force failed to protect, the MIG is more of a winner
Most air crew were shot down by AAA and SAM. All in all, MiGs tend to have a negative kill ratio meaning they lead to more pilots getting downed on the user's side.
When idiots lead from a desk, "we don't need no stinking guns, we'll equip the F4s with marginally effective Sparrows". Fortunately wiser minds fixed that....eventually.
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Correction: Olds did not come up with the BOLO idea. Cherry and Wetterhan came up with the idea and had Olds submit it to command for approval. General Olds was my hero as a kid. I got to meet him at an airshow once. He was a great fighter pilot, but a better human being.
Heaven is safer with you flying cover. RIP General.
-PhantomF4G
You are correct sir!!
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So these 2 Luetenants "instructed Olds to send it up to command?" .....
Probably not. More likely, Olds liked the idea and collaborated on the plan, approved it before taking it to the General.
@@j.w.perkins6004 Still, it was not his idea.
@@j.w.perkins6004 A better word would be "asked". My twin brother was stationed at Ubon at the same time I was at Korat, 1966-7. We volunteered in 1963.
4 days later they set another trap. 2 F-4's flew like RF-4C's and 2 Mig-21's took the bait and both were shot down.
From what I heard in dogfights, this it messed with their ability to operate and now they weren’t sure wether it was F-105's or F-4's waiting in ambush again
Haha that is great!
Yes, the “Dogfights” episode on this (“Air Ambush” Season 1, ep 2) is excellent as well.
Every good story involves Thunderchiefs and Phantoms. Speaking of Thunderchiefs, theres two F-105 pilots who received the Medal of Honor. Their stories are pretty badass
a true legendary great warrior
one of the best lines to describe him "in a different time and era Robin couldve been a warrior king"
As an aside-ish thing we still had F-105's with the reserve wing here at Hill when I first arrived in 85. I'd always heard the nickname "Thud" came from the sound of the F-105 hitting the ground but figured it was simply a shortened version of the actual name "Thunderchief". I was wrong and the night the last two 105's left for the boneyard I found it was called that.
I was at the far end of the runway waiting on the road to access the taxiway to get to a hard pad when they rolled up for take off. First the throttles went to full power with a roar, then the roar deepened as they started to roll. Then there was a huge THUD as they hit the water injection and two spikes of flame climbed almost vertically off the runway. Hell of a memory and hell of a sight.
I spent many hours watching them and B-52's taking off and landing from my O-11a fire truck at Goldsboro. I am a little hard of hearing now.
@@tedoptional-p8l No idea WHAT you could mean :) When the F-16s started flying at HIll AFB some in the local community complained about the noise and official said it was "the sound of freedom!" I now live about 1000 yards off the end of the runway (slightly to one side :) ) and now the F-35's "sound of freedom" is shaking stuff off the walls of my house :)
Down in my back due to an injury obtained during a mission. Some good days , some bad , but a good cup of coffee , my meds, and especially TJ dropping a vid just made my day a little brighter. 😊
Get on a bicycle and ween the meds. Faith will set you free.
Thanks for your service ❤
Operation BOLO! I've been so excited to see this one. Appreciate all you do TJ. Stay awesome!
Thanks as always!!
The F-105 was not some helpless prey. They had a 20mm cannon at a time when the F4 didn't and down low they were an absolute rocket ship. They were responsible for downing several MiGs during the war.
I think they were helpless prey as they kept getting shot down by mig 21s
100% correct but on bomber missions, heavily laden with bombs they couldn't manuever....
They were a plane fulfilling a mission they weren't designed for expect losses. Pentagon is probably to blame for not having a better plane than 105 and navy high upside are responsible for thinking guns weren't necessary on f4. They failed in their job and weren't held accountable
@@jthomas4361 Helpless were the North Vietnamese, not so much the Russian pilots.
@@nelsonzambrano5788 Ever here of salvo? Pickle?
Rolling Thunder was a hedge trimming exercise. By the time a mission made i's way up the chain, got approval in D.C. and made its way back down, the targets were moved or the strike was modified to the point where they were pounding mud. Criminal that he was (I mean Johnson was too) Nixon pulled the stop pins with Linebacker I & II. We went "downtown" on those and brought Hanoi to the table.
Olds also got called on the carpet for this operation. They planned it at the wing level and kept D.C. out of it. McNamara was livid. But what could he do?
FTR, Robin Olds and Wyatt Earp have styled my mustache for decades.
Maybe a lesson there? Keep the politicians out of the fight. Unless, of course, some of them are willing to go into the fight themselves?
@@garydaniels5495: This type of decision making is one of the reasons why the US lost the Vietnam War. LBJ prided himself that he had to approved every bombing mission in North Vietnam. And to add gasoline to the fire, the US made their rules of engagement public, and to the adversary, dumb dbumb, dumb. LBJ and his Great Society program brought the US welfare system to what it is today, millions of people dependent on government handouts. But you have to give LBJ credit, he didn't start the Vietnam War, he inherited when John Kennedy was assassinated. Remember VPs are selected on the basis of how many votes can they draw.
@@garydaniels5495 My late wife (fu_k cancer) said, "The Department of Defense needs to have its name changed back to The War Department. The military branches need to be given objectives, and the means to achieve victory without political interference. The point of the military is to kill people and break stuff. Don't train men to be beasts only to force them to sit, lay down, and roll over. Turn our fighting forces loose to DESTROY THE ENEMY UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY." Also, the Allies should have supported Ho Chi Minh when he asked for help in getting the French out of Vietnam. Oh, but nooooo, we didn't do that. The whole mess could have been avoided.
@@jimheimerl1637 Well you got that 95% correct, that's a better record than Robert Strange McNamara. Been there, done that.
I have no doubt you'll make an episode of dogfights of May 10, 1972, the biggest day of air combat over Vietnam.
n 1991 usa invited russians for a simulated dogfight ,SU27 vs f15 . russians won overwhelming 8-0 , and merics were real looser assholes before and after the fight . USA is so pathetic, when journalist asked how it went merican general said it was pretty even , after they lost they fuelled the su27 with their low quality fuel , both su27 almost fell from heaven from 11.000m high, but lukily the su27 could start their engines at 2.500m again, they even told the merics if they drop give coordinates for help. they just left fullthrotle.
every evening i jump into my F-4 on Enigma in DCS and for a few minutes i can barely grasp the immensity of what a stud Robin Olds was !!!
Thanks
Thank you!
Well this seems more detailed than that episode from “Dogfights”.
Same thoughts exactly, that was one of my favorite episodes from the “Dogfights” series but this went way more in-depth on the whole story.
The “Dogfights” episode on Bolo was excellent as was this video.
Robin and Chappie. Love those two guys!
Great story. My experience was with RF4B Photo birds. 1967-2006, USMC, Vietnam. We flew in fast and took the pictures, with EA6B escorts with ECM. Thanks and Semper Fi.
Years ago Dogfights did an amazing job at showing this epic battle. God do I miss that show.
I'm reading Fighter Pilot: The Memories of Legendary Ace Robin Olds right now. He describes these very tactics when he enters in the Vietnam War. This video is perfect for anyone who's reading the book.
Awesome! My dad was "Phil": then Major Philip P Combies. He was Rambler 04 on Bolo and had a probable Mig-21 kill and a confirmed Mig-21 kill on Bolo. On May 20, 1967 he shot down a Mig-17 and received the Silver Star for his gallantry in action that day. He served as a flight commander in the 433rd TFS "Satan's Angels".
Excellent presentation, augmented by the most authentic animations seen yet. Gone are the days of reliance on archival film and video.
We especially like your critical analyses, based on reliable authority
I was at Korat in 1966-7. We did not have as bad a opinion of the F-105 as is portrayed here. It was an old fighter by this time and we used what we had (as always). It was the Russians that were the problem, not the North Vietnamese. They were much better pilots than the North Vietnamese. The same is true of the SAMS, the Russian technicians were much better than the Vietnamese. No one mentions how fast the F-105 could go if it was in one piece, close to 2,000 mph. (Once). (A little over 1,000 mph on the deck compared to the MIG-21's approx 750 mph). Ask the Russians how they liked the AGM-45 Shrike.
Robin old is a legend for help turned the tide of the air war over Vietnam great video TJ3. Q:Are you excited to hear the new release of il-2 Korea.
Absolutely!!
Great video. The animation was awesome . I am fortunate to have gotten to meet VN War pilots from the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. I always enjoyed their stories.
One of the best dogfight videos I've ever seen, and I've watched scores. This had me "at the edge of my seat" the entire vid. Very well done!
Olds was the quintessential fighter pilot! Operation Bolo, however, wasn't originally his idea but Capt. John Stone's. Stone brought it to Olds, he agreed with it and assigned 4 pilots (one of which was Stone) to plan it out. I don't say this to diminish anything that Olds did, but rather to ensure that the other pilots receive their due credit!
This story never gets old. If true warriors like Robin Olds had been allowed to bring the fight to the enemy in this manner Vietnam would have ended very differently.
Robin Olds is truly a legend.
One of my first memories of the Vietnam War was this story! Naturally, it was not in as much detail as this! This video fills the voids............. after all those years!
Awesomely well made video, hard to believe you had so much material to work with...
The F4E had a 20mm Gun. Made close in Dog Fights possible. I was a Phantom Driver.
The Phantom never had internal guns. Had a belly or wing mounted gun but not that accurate
Jeez... you're quite the know it all aren't you?!...hetter fheck your facts befire talking to a "Phantom driver like that. The F4E had an M61 Vulcan cannon mounted directly under the radome@@petec9582
@@petec9582 Wrong, the F4 EEEEEE like he said, DID have a Vulcan
My father in law helped developed a radar jamming device that helped bring down north Vietnam Migs, he was a officer in electronic warfare aboard a carrier in the 60s he got a medal from the navy for a job well done
Robin Olds, a multi-war fighter pilot badass par excellence in the F-4 Phantom badass fighter. A match made in heaven.
Hell of a story! Some damn fine...and crazy brave pilots! Well done!
Another great video as always! So great to learn the stories of our countries heroes, with great commentary and well put together visuals to boot!
Thanks for the help Orca!
In 1990 I had to go to DMRO for Kaiserslautern was near Kleber. We had M60 track pads to deliver for surplus. At the yard just about everything was there, bonus they had about 3 retired F-4 trainers that were only the fuselage. Got two upper side mirrors and a seat cushion from one of the trainers.
Later in a surprise inspection the CSM (Vietnam Vet) came into my room and saw the seat cushion and asked why I had it.
I said it was from an F-4......nothing else was said and he walked out.
What a coincidence, as I was traveling East on I-80 in Nebraska I was listening / watching this video and I looked over to my left and there was an F-105 on a pylon right next to the highway. Gorgeous looking bird
They also made the F4's transponders look like those of Thuds.
I had forgotten about that part. Thanks!
F-105 Thunderchief's replacement the F-111 didn't do that well at first deployment, due to it's wing pivot box failures but once this was rectified along with the second deployment of the F-111 these aircraft were untouchable with the best bombing strike survival records of any aircraft in the Vietnam war.
You should definitely do a video on viper pettigrew im not sure if he had any air to air victories in combat but i am sure if it wasn't for him topgun 1 and 2 and our beloved F-14 wouldn't be the same...rip bud Anderson rip viper pettigrew and rip robin olds
From what my parents used to say back then, LOTS of the F4 Fantoms were shot down.
Nobody gets to be called "Kick Ass" anymore after these guys did this. Wiped out half the enemy's air force Mig21 fleet in a single day? They ain't comin' back for more.
Wonderful and great job TJ3 Team. From Panamá 🇵🇦
Thank you!
WWII in Pacific USMC Corsairs Under Ace Major Greg "Pappy" Boyington Decoyed the Japanese the Same Way. Semper-Fi.
Great rendition and visuals to what i consider the greatest aircraft ever built, and great equalizer for the MiG in Vietnam, and suitable for import to other nations. Peace
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The book Robin Olds Frigher Pilot is a must read.
Regular people start a war. Politicians F' it up by incompetence. Story older than time.
Olds died a matter of weeks before I was nearly killed when my friend lost control of his car and ripped it in half. I'd always planned on joining the Air Force, wanting to fly the F-15. My father flew the F-4 and then the F-15 when they entered service. Small world.
If you've never seen Robin Olds there's an old History Channel episode dog fights with him amd some interviews on UA-cam. He was quite the character.
Col. Robin Olds. A legend ❤
THANK 😇
By 1972 they were teaching about General Olds in USAF' NCO Leadership School.
South Korea just retired their Phantoms. End of an era
The air war specifically Rolling Thunder had a massive effect on the war. Even Vietnams leaders stated had the bombing continued for another 2 weeks they would have surrendered.
If it hadn’t been for Hanoi Jane and others the outcome should have been different.
I feel for the U.S. ground troops. Those guys were hero’s and tough!
"Experience the battle, dissect the tactics, relieve the dogfights!!!!"
Wow! Great production!
N Vietnamese pilots: “they’re not thuds, they’re phantoms, what do we do?”
Ground controllers: “duh, I don’t know why are you asking me?”
Thanks again my friend T of TJ3 History.....Yes i remember this well.......
Old F-4 Shoe🇺🇸 in my 80's
Thanks Shoe! Who did you fly with?
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I enjoyed your video ! 👍
Military books on tactical fighting are indispensable for upcoming men and women to study as they progress in their military profession !
As an example Patton read the book the German general Rommel wrote on tank warfare !
The VPAF hadn't received MiG-21F-13's at this point in the war, they were instead using MiG-21PFL's, an export variant of the MiG-21PF with the FL's radar and sensor suite, of course we don't have that plane in-game, the closest we have is the event locked PFM (which still has a different tail structure and cockpit vs the PFL) and we don't have VPAF skins for it, overall a pretty nice recreation regardless :D
Yo,this is a masterpiece and very cinematic! Please tell me you’ll do more modern jets like this Tj! I would love to see them so bad!!
Thank you! Perhaps!!
@@TJ3 Lets fricking goo!!
I want to know how to use user decals or roundels on the vehicles like you did with the MiG 21 in this video.
His name before the video reveals his name was Robin olds the North Vietnamese ground controllers as well as the pilots were using the Soviet Style when it came to ground controllers and Pilots following orders.
IRL MiG-21 was very effective and scored 165 air victories, with the loss of 65 aircraft according to Vietnam. According to US data MiG-21s downed 103 planes at cost of 79 own.
Fascinating video, TJ!
Thank you Hornet!
QUESTION: what sim is he using?
doesn't look like DCS
Enjoyed your video! Thanks for sharing!
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job on video!! ..... And Thank You Hero PILOTS, Proud to be an American
After we got our hands on a MIG-21stolen by a defector, a top secret operation at area 51 led to a tactics change that dramatically improved the kill ratio between F-4 and MIG-21.
Are you sure that it was from a defector? The version that I heard was that, we got a MIG-21 from Canada.
The short version of the story is, that, Canada was pissed that we wouldn't sell them our top fighter. So they surreptitiously bought a bunch of MIG-21s from the Soviet Union. They learned how to fly them. But then the US found out about it. The US made Canada give them all back to the Soviets, except for two. One crashed (during routine training operations in Canada), out of fuel. And the US asked for the other one. (Hopefully, the US paid for it.)
Now it's possible that we are both correct.
Now, I do know of a MIG-25 Foxbat that a Soviet defector flew to Japan. I actually remember reading in Time Magazine about that when it happened.
"On September 6, 1976, Lieutenant Viktor Belenko of the Soviet Air Defense Forces defected by flying his Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25P "Foxbat" aircraft from near Vladivostok in the Far East of the Soviet Union to Hakodate Airport in Hokkaido Prefecture of Japan." - Wikipedia, for what that's worth.
@@perrybonney9090 Thanks for the info. I saw the note about the defecting Mig21 on another Area51 video divulging some declassified info. We also directly stole a Hind helo. Hoisted it right off of an African airfield where it was awaiting repairs.
@@Flying_Snakes I have heard something about the Hind, just as you say.
Robin Olds is an interesting character. Too bad he didn't get a chance to fly in Korea (against his best efforts to do so). Honestly, there are times when a man like him has been needed in command. He may bend some rules but in my research, almost always for the right reasons. He was never one to pull any punches in speaking his mind.
You left out some of the best parts, like how they grounded every single other US aircraft to pull this off (you had to have visual confirmation to launch a missile) they also didnt tell the NSA about the operation because they needed their surveillance planes to pull it off.
I wanted to know what happened to the f4e Arkansas Traveler II
The F4 was proof that if you strapped big enough engines to it, even a brick will fly
It took tactics. Tactics that favored the F-4’s strengths. Any Phantom driver will tell you don’t tangle with a MiG-21 down low, they’ll outmaneuver you. The same way the AVG used their inferior Flying Tiger P-40’s to best far superior Oscars and Zeros.
Excellent video! F4’s and Robin Olds what a serious and deadly combination!!
20:16 - Dude straight up looks like Tom Cruise. heh
The ' trap ' was so gangster!
BG Robinson Olds is Old Skool sky warrior! "We tangled....they lost!" Says it all. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🌸🌼💮🏴☠️🏹
The North Vietnamese had more aerial victories than the Americans, based on the tactics you so well described.
Have you ever wondered if some of those Migs were flown by Russians?
Choosing the Thud over the North American F-107 was one of the worst mistakes the US military made.
Love the phantom. Such a muscular fighter.
Godspeed General Robin Olds.
It's always a treat to see a brand new video of you guys! Love your guys' content! keep it up! are you guys still gonna do the big episode of the newly found d-day footage???
That's gonna vibe a full documentary! Will be coming in the Fall.
@@TJ3 Awesome possum 👍
We always hear about the amazing exploits of the US pilots during this war. It would be more interesting to hear some accounts of the MIG pilots. I'm sure they're not all of the Stormtrooper ilk given the losses reported even in this clip.
What software is being used for the aircraft in this video?
War Thunder! You can download at link in description :)
I very good video, for sure, but having heard MOST of the total story on cable tv, several years ago, I was disappointed that "the rest of the story" wasn't covered.
What the cable tv version mentioned, was how the US had anticipated that these short-ranged MIG-21s would get low on fuel, and then, unable to land at their own base (for reasons that I can't remember), they would proceed to another North Vietnamese airbase. The US had fighters waiting for the MIGs there.
The US also anticipated that the MIGs would then proceed on to an airbase inside China. The US had fighters waiting for them to start heading there.
But, unfortunately, I never got to watch what happened in that part of the battle. I was hoping that I would get to catch it here, but no such luck.
Perhaps I can do an online search of the story, and just read about it. At least I now know that it was called "Operation Bolo".
But, at least, I did get to enjoy what was presented here.
7:10 --- untied states air force
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lol
Sry met a vietnam veteran today been living on the streets for 7 years
My understanding is that JB Stone came up with the idea for Operation Bolo
A fully booked Hanoi Hilton says otherwise ! Fighters jousting in the air does not indicate who wins and loses. When one accounts for the bombers the Air Force failed to protect, the MIG is more of a winner
Most air crew were shot down by AAA and SAM. All in all, MiGs tend to have a negative kill ratio meaning they lead to more pilots getting downed on the user's side.
My dad flew A-26's in Vietnam
When idiots lead from a desk, "we don't need no stinking guns, we'll equip the F4s with marginally effective Sparrows". Fortunately wiser minds fixed that....eventually.
Certified badass.
Thank you for the story!!!
Great video! Did you record the fight scenes in dcs?
No I'm afraid I'm not great with DCS! This is War Thunder
@@TJ3 alr cool
This is great but it would have been nice too pay tribute to Robin Olds seeing as he died recently at age 102
Nonsense. He died in 2007 at 84 years
TOP GUN
6:55 --- wtf?!?
snakes from 20k ft??