Why Remaking This Famous track BROKE My Production Skills
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FTR Gat Decor is an anagram of Tag records which was a Record shop in central London where Effective records was born. I was the Effective Records in house engineer later on at a studio we built in Union Street, South London.
Respect!
I bought this record from TAG records itself! What a great shop with Steve, Mark, Corry and Lou running things
Missing the 's' but wow, that's so cool
You're right about the mix sounding great. I still play this regularly and it mixes in with modern productions without sounding the slightest bit underpowered. There aren't many 30+ year old tracks you can say that about. Whenever I'm struggling to get a crowd going, I reach for this tune and it brings the dancefloor to life. It's immortal and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still getting played another 30 years from now.
This is my favourite tune of all time , Darren Emerson mix will never ever be beaten , I got Darren to sign my copy after I worked on a tune with him a few years ago
One of my top 10 tracks of all time....
In regards to not being able to get the melody quite right, it wasn't unusual for tracks to be pitched up or down slightly at the mastering stage to get the required 'energy' back i9n these days.
We're talking about repitching DAT recordings, so it wasn't to an exact amount and you could end up with certain chords landing in these weird 'in-between' scales. Not saying that is definitely the case here, but something to bare in mind.
Great video!
But everything else would be pitched relatively in that case, surely? Unless I’m misunderstanding you.
One of my all time favs and thanks for the shout out (prodigy bass FM4 vid!). I remember hearing this track in clubs at the time, really well mixed, the groove, the hotpantz breakbeat clicks in all the right places, the piano (a session player I believe), cheeky prodigy sample and you knew what was coming.
@@RaveyStabs thanks for further info. Sadly not many citations on the wiki page
Make that top 5
You're welcome, thanks for the knowledge!!
Always amazes me how such elegant simple songs are so complex to make
The kick drum sounds like it's sampled from new order - blue Monday and pitched down sightly
Great job! I love this tune, true classic, up there with shades of rhythm
That Melodic Bass was tops for me!!. I always waited for that to kick in
I mean, this tune stood head and shoulders above everything else at the time so it's not a surprise you had some trouble
Like Orbital, 808 State, Future Sound of London, The Hypnotist, etc…
@@cassiusjbFSOL 😍
@@tdurb0 Casper Pound was a legend gone too soon. Check out The Complete Hypnotist. Great album! 👍
@@cassiusjb Getting me all nostalgic
The Bongo at 17:30 are a sampled loop from JT Company - Don't Deal With Us (Veleno Mix) ua-cam.com/video/C-M7-TrjYn4/v-deo.html
Yup. I sampled the same ones for the B Side of Moonchild - V.O.A.T. In 1991, the year before Gat Decor.
@@alunmauve Nice flex!
Ah that's it! That track is listed on Whosampled but i think it linked to the wrong track on youtube so I thought it wasn't there...Ah man I wish I'd caught that!
Such a banger of a tune. That kick on the drop at the beginning has always stood out for me. Not surprised it was a struggle to recreate!
Phenomenal track. Then hearing the Degrees of Motion vocal mashup for me was the cherry on the cake.
In the nicest way I am really glad that you struggled trying to recreate this. I have spent hours trying to replicate it. I would love to see you recreate Xpander by Sasha which follows a similar vibe to this.
I would also really like him to cover xpander. Heaven scent would be nice too
@jdmjesus6103 Heaven Scent was going to be my next request. The beats and bassline to that are unbelievably complex and the piano is like no other piano I've ever heard. I'm fairly sure it's a delay and reverb combination that makes it so unusual but I haven't come close to being able to recreate it. Over to you Guy......
@@Protectaline I've had similar thoughts. It's like the delay is note dependant or something. It seems so complex but for all I know it could be something really simple. Clever, either way. It's kept me guessing all these years
Great track and thanks for showing us the recreation! +1 for Sasha’s Xpander! 😊
My favourite tune of all time. I've always resisted the urge to play around with it. This is very eye opening though. Good job.
Maybe that magic stems from the fact that the bassline SHOULDN'T work if you go all strict musically..... BUT IT DOES ! ! ! And that's what makes it so good to the ears. It's not ever what your subconscious expects. Great vid !
If it sounds good IT IS GOOD! TRUST YOUR EARS! :D Sorry for the caps but I feel strongly about this!
Great video. and what an iconic track, no wonder you had issues trying to recreate it
Bravo because it is not easy to reverse how a track is made... This is shows your skill :)
Still one of my favourite tracks ever and still stands up to anything today. Also reminds me of leaving home. Brilliant 😅
Oooooooh what a timeless classic track!!! And that bass 😍
I still play it today.
Again good work & video. Thank you.👌
love watching your videos. been getting myself into recreating tracks and that is truly the way to learn amazingly well. Thanks for all that
Thanks! So nice to get a comment like that from such a Techno legend! :D
Hey, I did this remake. Thanks for referring to it. I spent a crazy amount of time on it. Was also never really satisfied with my main piano riff. Impossible to get it 100% right, yours ain't bad tho! Tbh I think my lately bass sounded better 😉. Why didn't you use the original preset? The last bongo beat was a sample also.
Yep lately bass here is muffled, EQ looks too extreme. Also suffering from modern DAW syndrome and too much high end plus the M1 plugin piano has unpleasant artifacts vs original, never been keen on it. Load this lot into an old sampler/mixer combo and it would be instantly more musical!
I'm pretty sure Tony Crooks, he owned a few labels and had a bunch of production names such as X Gate, wrote that piano part, he played it to me in the 90s in his studio in Hornchurch.
@@realfacthunt Name checks out!
Thanks for your video! Yeah I reckon you're probably right about the bass. It is a lately bass preset... as I said, I struggled with this tune!
@@RaveyStabs Very good and fair points. In an ideal world I would do exactly that!
Great video mate. I feel your pain. I spent hours recreating a synth for Hectors House - Come Get My Lovin and I mean hours...... still not happy with it even today 😊
Excellent job! One of my all-time favs... And yes I've got it on 12" 🤣
The piano sound you couldn't quite suss out is probably from the Roland U-220. It was also used on Happy Mondays - "Step on"; one of the reasons this rack unit still has space in my studio, along with a Yamaha TX81Z for "Lately Bass".
I'd say alot of these remakes struggle to find that special something sometimes because they're using sub-par software alternatives to real hardware, nothing beats the real thing. It's like tryna bake a cake you like using sweetener instead of sugar, cheap butter and powdered egg or something. The U220 was what Liam Howlett used so I read on his early Prodigy stuff, piano, strings, pads mainly I think. Do you know where Liam got that iconic bass sample from cause it is a sample he used I think, seen here at 2m05 ua-cam.com/video/_PF_ZIkwyeI/v-deo.htmlsi=06CQRxBU-gYGmlVR
I think I did come across that but couldn't find a VST version. Thanks so much!
@@simontunnicliffe2107 Personally I think a lot of software sounds amazing these days and the difference isn't big. It's not so much about the tools, it's how you use them!
The Roland u220 piano lives on as piano 1 preset on most Roland synths
@@markcarman869 Ah thanks, i'll have a look
Thank you for this video 👏🏻
Soundtrack to the messy years, memories instantly of a million brilliant nights
Re 13:41, in music theory terms, we have a pedalled bass (vv common in dance music) for tension, and the Ab Bb and Eb are respectively the III IV and VII of Fm. However normally the 4 chord in a minor scale is minor ie in Fm it's Bbm But they've sharpened the Db to D hence Bb (major) and of course as we all know ut sounds lovely. Re no F chord - no need to play F over F - it would not have any tension. Thanks for the video. I've learnt a lot here.
Thanks. Is D an out of key move or something pros know and use like a substitution?
@@PorchBass The Bb major is out of key because the D (its third) is out of key (not in the scale of Fm). Without asking whoever came up with the chord progression it's impossible to say whether they knew it and did it deliberately, or not. In one way yes it's a pro thing, because it's things like this, using just a little "out of key"-ness, that make things sound really special, without us (the listener) knowing why it sounds special. Songwriters do it all the time, sharpening a minor third to major, flattening a perfect fourth to a minor fourth, borrowing chords from the parallel scale etc.
@@MrMikomi thanks for your considered reply. Very well put
Thanks so much I'm learning a lot from you here!
Love this track. Such a banger. Really got a crowd going when the DJ wanted to go deep. For me, it’s a bench mark track I’ve never achieved.
*You didn't fail - that was EPIC Well Done :)))*
I want The 28th St Crew - I Need A Rhythm or some 303 stuff like Armando - "Don't Take It" (ft. Sharvette) (Thomos Edit)
Second that. More pre 1990 stuff generally
Remember to turn down the bongos.
It's the soundtrack to my teenage years. It's timeless. It's sublime.❤
Awesome re-creation of a masterpiece in early 90s dance music👍👍👍
Timeless track
I remember when I first heard this tune. It was 1992 or 1993. I had been living in Paris and stopped by London before returning to the states. I don't remember the club name, but when Mr. Dj played it the crowd went bonkers.
Nice work!! Thanks for the video abs breakdown. Great times ✌🏻
It’s interesting you used the Boss Dimension D chorus plugin to recreate the sparkle from the original. I wonder though whether that effect came from putting the whole mix through a BBE sonic maximiser. The unit splits the audio into three frequency bands and then pulls them slightly out of phase with each other to play psychoacoustic tricks on the listener which brings high frequencies forward.
The BBE Model 322 came to market about 6 months before this record was produced.
I'm pretty sure that kick is from a Roland R8 (SOLID_K)
I thought about it too. Aphex Twin has the same kick in his tracks.
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Can I request Legend B - Lost In Love for a future video? A lot harder and faster than most of your stuff on this channel, but hugely influential and deserving of a look
this has got to be one of my favorite tracks ever
Great video @gyu. Passion is a classic progressive house track, and considering, the track was created in 1991/2, it hasn't aged a day. I suspect Simon Slater produced this track in an afternoon!
But @gyu, have you checked out Gat Decor's website, the studio section? He lists all his equipment as well as having photos of his old studio.
It was Simon Slater, Simon Hanson and Laurence Nelson who produced this track. I was the engineer at Effective records but I came after Gat Decor.
I did see that but it looked like a list of what he's using now as opposed to back in the day
Nice work. I think its just the chord voicing that is slightly off on the M1 piano solo, only the first chord I would say, but very very close. I think most of the effects come straight out of the M1 too (obviously with quite a bit of processing afterwards). I'd say the piano has the built in Ping Pong delay out of the M1. It's that kick that is the total mystery to me. I've sampled it alongside other kicks that also hit hard and nothing gets close next to this. For saying how much they use the M1 it wouldn't be a huge surprise if one of the built in M1 kicks is in there somewhere, but how they got it to that sound is simply incredible. A true masterpiece.
Excellent points, thank you! Yeah I didn't think of looking in the M1 for the kick. The effects on that thing are very distinctive
And I've never noticed this before in 30 years but there were big chunks of this where you'd play a bit of a particular sonic treatment and my mind immediately leaped to Boss Drum. Same year so this might just be how studios (and Korgs) sounded at the time but there's just something in there that has the exact same qualities...
I always suspected they sampled the piano chords from SLD "Getting Out" - have a listen to it.
It was played.
top job, a great track from a great era !
Effing epic watch that. Brilliant upload thanks
Yes Yes and Yes - best track of all time...
Brilliant job!
That 'everybody in the Place" bass is actually from a N-joi stack pitched down
Interesting. Which one?
Congas -> Roland TR-727
Incredible remake that really shows the work that went into it. Such a classic track too. Would love to see more remakes please, if you have to time 😎 According to Wikipedia, Simon Slater said "The piano break was played by me and the break is actually 1 semitone up from the bass line which is unusual but it worked and was kept like it is in the track as you know it. Then I delayed the track and added delays to create the piano rhythm."
Had to listen to Stefano Secchi's We Are Easy To Love again too as the piano is similar to see if it came from there, but pretty sure that came later and doesn't sound the same. A Tribe Called Quest's - Luck Of Lucien main mix ua-cam.com/video/VmL_GR1ggdw/v-deo.html has a similar piano and vibe from around 5 and half minutes. Wonder if that was it's inspiration as that came out in 91?
yes I read that but didn't really understand it!
You are wrong about the bass sound. The Prodigy actually sampled it from white label Robin Wants Revenge which was the source bass. The other bass sound is a DX21 preset.
Hi Gyu, is the piano sample at around 15 minutes a chopped pitched sample of the intro of the prodigy -your love?
Good shout but no as the third chord changes in a way that means it's not a sample. Unless they had 2 going on...
With the M1 being the mother of all house pianos, isn't that reverbed piano not from a M1 as well?
the kick kinda sounds like one from a RY-30 (which was on the SY range of keyboards too), but there's a really similar one on the Roland R8. The R8 would probably make sense with the smattering of "not quite" TR-808 sounds on the track.
Unreal, bossman!
Football Italia on C4 used to cane it. :)
Football loves to take a good dance song and play it to death and ruin it.
Did the same with freed from desire & turned into some chant about another knobhead overpaid footballer
Just a heads up, UVR5 will produce far better vocal extractions than la ala ai and it's free
@@craigburton4447 runs locally too, and supports many models some of which are better at specific things
Thanks for the heads up :)
Amazing content, thanks
What an amazing job
just a thought, that hi end could be a build up of many parts going into samplers with low bit rates, surprisingly abletons bit crusher is pretty good at it
Yeah maybe but I think the effect would be a harsher, bitcrushed type sound
The piano was transposed up a perfect 4th form the keynote, so the chords are IV-VII-III in the key of F.
You nailed the kick... I think the original is a slightly pitched down sample to give it that weight? The bass sound isnt quite right though, needs the TX81!
Allegedly the dude who made this track had a whole albums worth of tunes of this calibre and didn't think they were good enough and never released them.... if only....
Thanks, yeah I got the kick as I sampled the original, I think you're right about the bass, I could have worked a bit harder on it
Amazing video! What m1 preset did you end up using?
weird question,but do you live in Leytonstone? That room looks exactly like somewhere I used to live
Like at first sight!
Great track. So glad you didn’t go anywhere near the vocal version on the flip.
@@garethcole8295 that came years later. Original B-side was Darren Emerson's first remix
@@mattsephton crikey my memory is shot. Had this from release but never really checked Emerson’s mix as the naked mix was the one. Strange as I love Emerson’s early stuff. Eagles Prey remix comes to mind. What was the dodgy vocal version then?
Eagles Prey. Tonto’s Drum. Class
Well done...keep them comming....any samples available of this.
Not at the moment sorry
One of the hardest vinyl to find in the day.
Tune down a kick a little bit, should work I think. Next time add a tape fx pls, cuz all done by samplers. Nice work btw!
Amazing. I always thought the Bass sound was the little DX100?
was just about to make the same comment, always thought the bassline is the Yamaha DX100 Solid Bass, also in Chime
@@Sbradyman Yeah you may well be right. Tbh all those Yamaha FM synths can do very similar things AFAIK
It probably was, we used the solid bass preset a lot back then.
@@GyuBeats picked up a DX100 for next to nothing in the 90s & only used it for the Solid Bass sound, hear it on loads of tracks from back then. Thanks for the reconstruction, cant wait to see what's reconstructed next
@@Sbradyman Yes it is the same. Spot on. Tiny little mini keyboard.
Great taste in the oldies...anyone know of a playlist on UA-cam with all great oldies like this?
Any chance you could try to recreate sterling void don't wanna go? That piano line especially is really hard to recreate!!
@16:00 I would try messing with the chord inversions, just sound a little differnt... I've been there so many times, screwing around with patches, effects etc... but basically the notes are not quite right to begin with... sometimes just removing an uncessary note from the chord or whatever...
Aint nothing gonna break your skillz🙂
This took me back HARD. Gatecrasher circa 1998, this used to get everyone jumping. Great work Guy 👍🏻😊
Try 1992!
@@owenjohn1192 Retro night 😆
I didn't think you were old enough to be clubbing then! Thanks for the comment mate :)
@@GyuBeats I wasn't. But you know, they were different times (and fake IDs were a lot easier to come by)!
It's a kick with a hi hat on probably!
It would mix well with the Bassheads tune
Re the piano break, where you said using a sampled chord rather than playing the chord seemed to get you a bit closer to the original, but still not quite... I had a thought, which is probably nonsense now since other people here have suggested it wasn't an M1 after all in the first place.
But... I assume the M1 had a chord performance function where you trigger it with one key and it stacks the whole chord. That would give you a sound which would have a distinctive articulation based on how it triggers all the notes allegedly simultaneously, but probably not *really* simultaneously because of slop in the timers. So it might have the same *nearly* mechanical quality as using a sample does? It does seem unusual that the offbeat *is* the full chord rather than a single note, and obviously my theory wouldn't work if there were any single-note parts in the riff, so I'm claiming that as evidence. :)
This is what my brain is doing when I'm working on these! I'm not sure if the M1 had a chord mode or not, I don't think so
Well that scuppers that theory then!
If anyone wants to do more theories, the break is way clearer (and drier I think...) in the Darren Emerson 12" mix, just after 3:01 into it. Few bars in from there it's completely on its own and I swear I can hear it cutting itself there which might be another clue that it's sampled...
This track was and is phenomenal total floor filler and so good to mix with
Absolute banger
yeah if its F bass and A flat major over it. It is: F min7 cause that's the extensions. F, A flat, C, D sharp
then b flat over f bass is: b flat 2nd inversion. F, A sharp, D
which means its minor scale with a sharp 6th (D) which is F Dorian.
hope this of any use.
Very much! Thanks so much :D
Everybody in the place, The Prodigy, the 12 inch is where the bass bit came from
Great re make btw 🖐😎
Which is a sample from an N-Joi track
From the What Evil Lurks EP to be precise!!
Basssss 🐟lol that was the only part I recognized.. started "singing" along immediately 🤣
@@tobyriding
I thought it was tbf 😂
ua-cam.com/video/WY87o9IZXWg/v-deo.htmlsi=EofLYgzomEbjGHsF
@@tobyridingI have the white label and it’s called Android EP!
It's a daft exercise really (other than for the sake of a puzzle). They could have randomly used anything in the world to make the track, and how would you know? If you happen to know *exactly* what they used then it would be easy .. Imagine if you had never heard of the Korg M1 and spent days trying to recreate this piano sound from a real piano or something .. it would "test your production skills" .. or just be a key press for someone who had a Korg M1.
Rather than the prodigy is the sample at 4:00 actually "The dance" from 198??
Classic!
Drums machine sounds a bit like a boss dr110.
Hey mate, I wonder who the genius is that gave you the idea to remake this epic classic tune?
Yes, I think it's you.
IBIZA tune !
Kick sounds a bit like Blue Monday New Order 🤔
Is the fairy dust a modded Dolby-A encoder?
A tune is a tune forever. I stuck Young MC Know How behind it. you can chuck anything behind Passion, it’s perfect. Daren’t upload.
I love Young MC!
Great video
Do you produce your own music?
I one for you have to try a remake of . Jaguar by Dj Ronaldo
Always wanted to know the sounds from this. Special record
Awesome
PureNostalgia = redux(Carefree90sHappyDays)
What was missing was a big desk and outboard compressor/limiter
and the experience to get the most out of them... :)
@@GyuBeats Yes I've known guys that work on big desks and its amazing to watch
Love your chanel
11 Perc 3 where came from? 727? Cowbells...
Isnt the bass coming from the Yamaha TX81Z?
I was too soon reacting;)
Yep, I’ve got one.