I always thought that the muzzle loading, being faster and not needing to eject a case, was a pretty smart idea. After seeing that picture...not so much.
@@RobertCraft-re5sf complacency, shes`s a cold cold bitch, colder than her cousin karma career pilots with 10, 20, 30k flight hours still hammer themselves into the ground sometimes lol
The only positive thing the GP-25 seems to have over the M320 & M203 is that option for a high angle of attack. The ability to use it as a small mortar (like the Japanese knee mortar) while behind cover sounds like a great option to have.
@@thepaint9160 I’ve used both in the military and neither have the ability to do so built into the sights. It’s just 50m to 350m adjustable sights. You could of course use it to fire at a high angle like the GP-25, but you’d just be guessing.
@@omarrp14 Yeah, but both due have the ability to mount a indirect fire sight on the side to avoid the M203 top rail sights. Not sure if these sights are common now though.
I was thinking the muzzle loading seems really fast but when you showed that picture i very quickly reconsidered, i think the western variants do it the right way...
honestly doesn't even seem to have the "it's dirt simple and extremely cheap to manufacture" benefit since it's double action and has caseless ammunition. The only major benefit appears to be the built-in indirect fire sight and the very minor convenience of not having to remove the casing (which admittedly can get pretty sticky in a well fired launcher). With training I think you'd only be able to achieve a slightly higher rate of fire with the GP-25, and frankly the reliability may actually make the rate of fire of non-dud ammunition lower.
"Choose which fingers you want to lose before loading" reads the warning on the side LOL. You would think that a simple firing pin block or firing pin retraction spring would be included to avoid rounds going off when loading it dirty
Your demonstrations have such an impressive attention to detail. As always, I’m hoping you stay safe I also greatly appreciate your input regard your own experience with the system, because it includes a lot of information that otherwise wouldn’t be mentioned. For example, on the standalone conversion, I would have never known that the extended pistol grip is flimsy or that that screw would prevent the trigger from being pulled- just great information all around
Didn't know this thing had the possibility of literally putting grenades in people's hands and making them lose fingers. Wouldn't want to be that guy even if the projectile isn't armed. Makes me happy that our troops here in the Philippines still rock the M203 and some of the SF have M320s.
I've been looking for a GP 25 information for quite some time. On the Internet there is very little info about GP 25 gl and it's granades. This is first video covering GP 25+ ammo. Congrats on that I would love some more information about this gl and ammo for it. Especially covering the "mortar" fire mode. Also I think gp 25 has mutch more granade types than the standard nato 40mm. Like you have the thermobaric, bouncing(probably for mortar mode), bursting smoke screening, flash bang, large illumination rounds... These kind of granades don't exist for the basic nato 40mm. Maybe some comparison between m203 (if you have these available) and GP 25.
Wow.. is that the shortest rifled barrel ever, or gotta be close. god I love this Ruzzian stuff.. "pick a finger you're willing to loose, and seat it in" wait WHAT?!
Woohooo you're back. I get anxious when you go on ops. Great explanation and video. No bullshit just the goods ! Always like how you not only break down how the weapon works but also how its used and then how you personally use some items differently. I'll personally stay a rifleman if this is the grenadier tool :) Cheers mate.
Oh Man the Hand Pic! imagine the Doctor who has to remove it while it is still "armed", just horrible. There must be a Device invented for preventing this.
I bet you were the best Grenadier in your platoon especially how you know everything about all weapon systems you must be very detailed in your training there's not many videos out there that I get impressed about a person that knows his weapon systems and how to use them correctly
Really scary part about soviet grenades is the chance of hangfire. Pull the trigger, nothing... for an unknown period of time. Could be a second or two, could be an entire minute. Long enough to go "Wtf? Misfire, lemme unload it-" followed by the kaboom at your feet after you dump it, or worse, in your hand. Really wouldn't be excited about using decades-old soviet muzzle-loading grenades, either.
I wonder how hard it would be to fix the issue with loading. I know revolvers generally have a "safety cock", which prevents the firing pin from resting on the primer before firing, so maybe the safety could be modified to force the hammer back just a tiny bit to decrease the chance of accidental firing.
I never realized there was a mount to allow it to be a standalone launcher. Also, thanks for providing such a detailed overview of this grenade launcher. I'm an amateur game developer and I'm trying to make a realistic VR shooter game over time as I learn. I want to model the functionality of the grenade launcher identical to the real thing. Knowing it has that special "trench sight" thing is neat and well noted.
The Russian/Soviet GP 25, 30, 34 all use a caseless style of grenade instead of the US style that has a case and is breech loaded. The GPs basically throw the entire grenade out leaving nothing in the tube. Kinda sketchy cuz a burning ember could possibly ignite the propellant if you're rapidly firing them for a suppression effect. Could have a cook off.
I feel like it would be pretty easy to redesign the GP-25 to have a small cam-lever on the barrel that you could use to seat the round fully without risking getting the 'Soviet Stigmata' wounds.
Valgear, have you seen GP-25s adapted to western rifles or RPK-74? There's also GP-30u variant that can be attached to older gen Galil 5.56 variant and FN FAL.
I understand your love for the GP-25. I carried an M4/M203 for six years, including Afghanistan deployments. The extra firepower is always nice. The M320 *needs* to be standalone though because it’s too heavy and cumbersome to be usefully mounted on a rifle.
Yes! Thank u for showing this, this type of launcher always interested me. But I don't understand how the grenade clicks into the barrel, is there some type of spring that clicks in the bottom of the VOG to hold it ?
there is small pin that clicks on the rim of the grenade, during fireing, the force basically overcome the pins spring power, thatnk you for watching man!
Apparently, the US doctrine does not imply any trench warfare. You're going to fuck everyone up with your air force and navy and give up if it doesn't work.
I can think of at least two ways they could have solved the "Special Finger removing Feature" 1 A tool that holds the Grenade and allows you to seat the Grenade without using your fingers to push it in. 2 A Small Shutter that would cover the firing Pin until the Trigger is pulled.
A tool or a lever would be lost or broken immediately, and a shutter mechanism would probably get fouled up quickly. It really is a dubious design decision
Yeah. Damn soviets managed to invent a plethora of user-dangerous weapons. GP-25 is notorious for its' tendency to tear your fingers off from its' first years in the army.
This is all the stuff we've been looking at for years just in pictures or maybe one to have an original training manual.... but in russian... Now live action with commentary... not to mention important safety factors...use your least important fingers for loading... Dually noted... two middle fingers up...(not trigger finger or thumb😅😅)...
I have a buddy named pietro. Ukrainian refugee, He lost his middle finger and has a deformed ring finger from the gp25 reloading it exactly how you were showing. Very interesting to see a video that specifically talks about that 1:10000 chance.
Hey Valgear, I wanna ask. How common is 7.62x39 in combat in Ukraine? Prices have gone up for us. I believe 5.45, 7.62x 54 and 5.56 are the most used. But does anyone in your unit use 7.62x 39?
People I know of use 7,62x39 only if they have something like an RPD AKMs are quite rare on the frontline, although there are some, but most prefer to use them in the cities or CQB combat (they claim that it has more punch at close range). During first months of the massive invasion 7,62x39 and 5,45 were completely gone from all gun stores and now it's either a dollar or even more per round (although you still can find 30c stuff)
Probably economical or reliability reasons, since it has less moving parts. I will agree though, a grenade launcher isn't something you should cut corners on
"it is better to use one or two fingers you are willing to loose" ah yes soviet engineering
'The pinky push'
When one soldier drops the GP-25 because he blew off some fingers, you pick it up and move forward..... Sorry, Enemy at the Gates was on last night.
😂
@@RemoteCamper 😂😂Amazing. I thought the first original comment was gonna be the funniest thing I read today… but then this… 😂
Better Soviet than Russian, if we've learned anything from the conflict XD
Love it. Don't design a better system just use your least important finger. Thanks for the interesting video, glad to see you're still with us.
I always thought that the muzzle loading, being faster and not needing to eject a case, was a pretty smart idea. After seeing that picture...not so much.
Appreciate the m203 much more now
I did not know about the potential finger loss feature
comrade, is intentional.
is made like this so you take good care of it
*and hope everything goes fine*
Dirty or stuck firing pin? You'll be the first to know.
I think for the risk of losing your hand/fingers alone I now believe breech-loading 40mm grenade launchers are superior, that one photo was gnarly.
“Use one or two fingers you’re willing to lose” 😂
Nah just be careful
@@RobertCraft-re5sf complacency, shes`s a cold cold bitch, colder than her cousin karma
career pilots with 10, 20, 30k flight hours still hammer themselves into the ground sometimes lol
if you're not idiot you will be fine
@@fridrekr7510Iconic 😂😂
"We fire the whole grenade, that's 65% more grenade per grenade."
The only positive thing the GP-25 seems to have over the M320 & M203 is that option for a high angle of attack.
The ability to use it as a small mortar (like the Japanese knee mortar) while behind cover sounds like a great option to have.
The M203A2 has the ability to act as a small mortar as well and I believe the M320 has the same ability.
@@thepaint9160 I’ve used both in the military and neither have the ability to do so built into the sights. It’s just 50m to 350m adjustable sights.
You could of course use it to fire at a high angle like the GP-25, but you’d just be guessing.
@@omarrp14 Yeah, but both due have the ability to mount a indirect fire sight on the side to avoid the M203 top rail sights. Not sure if these sights are common now though.
if you ignore that it is more compact, easier to attach to the rifle, simpler to load, no casing, etc. etc.
to the aftermarket design table!
I was thinking the muzzle loading seems really fast but when you showed that picture i very quickly reconsidered, i think the western variants do it the right way...
honestly doesn't even seem to have the "it's dirt simple and extremely cheap to manufacture" benefit since it's double action and has caseless ammunition. The only major benefit appears to be the built-in indirect fire sight and the very minor convenience of not having to remove the casing (which admittedly can get pretty sticky in a well fired launcher). With training I think you'd only be able to achieve a slightly higher rate of fire with the GP-25, and frankly the reliability may actually make the rate of fire of non-dud ammunition lower.
"Choose which fingers you want to lose before loading" reads the warning on the side LOL. You would think that a simple firing pin block or firing pin retraction spring would be included to avoid rounds going off when loading it dirty
I prefer grenade launchers that don't require me to shove my fingers into the muzzle with a live grenade...
Not sure about this one... Our grenades had to travel 25m before arming. M-203 😊
@@dougs4944 are a good few rounds for the M203 with varying arming distances
@@dougs4944 it's intentional.
it arms after a certain distance so that the shooter doesn't blow himself up
Still makes one hell of a punch at less than 25m though
@@dougs4944 9:50 ???
“Decide which fingers you are willing to lose to fully seat the grenade” no clue why that made me laugh so hard lmao
Your demonstrations have such an impressive attention to detail. As always, I’m hoping you stay safe
I also greatly appreciate your input regard your own experience with the system, because it includes a lot of information that otherwise wouldn’t be mentioned. For example, on the standalone conversion, I would have never known that the extended pistol grip is flimsy or that that screw would prevent the trigger from being pulled- just great information all around
I think the short grip was by design since allows clearance for the rifle's magazine during insertion and removal
Great review! It made me appreciate m203 and m320 even more!
Happy to see you back man
Good to see you're doing well! Thanks for that video. I was waiting for the GP insight like a little child for christmas.
"You have grenade stuck in your hand..."
In Russia we call that a Hand Grenade.
Didn't know this thing had the possibility of literally putting grenades in people's hands and making them lose fingers. Wouldn't want to be that guy even if the projectile isn't armed.
Makes me happy that our troops here in the Philippines still rock the M203 and some of the SF have M320s.
1 or 2 fingers that you are willing to loose :))) i spit on my monitor from laughing :))
Love the videos. No training or inert units here!! Only real units and live ammo.
I've been looking for a GP 25 information for quite some time. On the Internet there is very little info about GP 25 gl and it's granades. This is first video covering GP 25+ ammo. Congrats on that
I would love some more information about this gl and ammo for it. Especially covering the "mortar" fire mode. Also I think gp 25 has mutch more granade types than the standard nato 40mm. Like you have the thermobaric, bouncing(probably for mortar mode), bursting smoke screening, flash bang, large illumination rounds... These kind of granades don't exist for the basic nato 40mm.
Maybe some comparison between m203 (if you have these available) and GP 25.
Wow.. is that the shortest rifled barrel ever, or gotta be close.
god I love this Ruzzian stuff.. "pick a finger you're willing to loose, and seat it in" wait WHAT?!
Only russians can design a weapon with a loading procedure like this...
im glad you posted this
What about it?
@@gus808 Don’t be an idiot, why would you have your other hand on the trigger to begin with?
@@gus808 i mean fingers are meant to be wasted, that’s why we have 10. we were designed to lose fingers to gp 25.
@@gus808 It needs 4 separate mags, picatinny, and an ACOG on an ACOG right, tactitard?
Thank you sir! Been hoping for a video on this launcher for a while.
@10:00 that is difficult to unsee. that is nightmare stuff
Woohooo you're back. I get anxious when you go on ops. Great explanation and video. No bullshit just the goods ! Always like how you not only break down how the weapon works but also how its used and then how you personally use some items differently. I'll personally stay a rifleman if this is the grenadier tool :)
Cheers mate.
"Nyet, launcher is fine. Just use expendable fingers"
Found your channel a week or so ago and just wanted to say you are an awesome communicator and teacher, stay safe man!
I have to say, it was one of the most awaited video from you, it’s a rare video and your videos are great information
Oh Man the Hand Pic! imagine the Doctor who has to remove it while it is still "armed", just horrible. There must be a Device invented for preventing this.
simply use piece of plastic metal or wood
Lol, I am now imagining a 3d printed loading aid. Would probably be useful and disposable.
nice insignia on the panzer there lol
Azov Patriots.
Guys these nazis must be totally different than the other nazis, the U.S government told me so
Another great video! John in Texas
how many rounds can you safely fire between cleaning sessions?
About 20 rpunds
Wow much respect id need a wooden hook for that final push though ! 😊
Nato:
Lets make weapons safe.
Eastern block:
Use fingers you dont care about.
I bet you were the best Grenadier in your platoon especially how you know everything about all weapon systems you must be very detailed in your training there's not many videos out there that I get impressed about a person that knows his weapon systems and how to use them correctly
Really scary part about soviet grenades is the chance of hangfire. Pull the trigger, nothing... for an unknown period of time. Could be a second or two, could be an entire minute. Long enough to go "Wtf? Misfire, lemme unload it-" followed by the kaboom at your feet after you dump it, or worse, in your hand. Really wouldn't be excited about using decades-old soviet muzzle-loading grenades, either.
I knew something about GP-25 but didn't know how to unload it. Thank you for showing how it works!
Always great to see you Bratan!
"a fun story" 😆
And here you can see fragmentation Rings doing their job😂😂😂❤
Thanky you again for the interesting informations!
Stay safe out there!
I wonder how hard it would be to fix the issue with loading. I know revolvers generally have a "safety cock", which prevents the firing pin from resting on the primer before firing, so maybe the safety could be modified to force the hammer back just a tiny bit to decrease the chance of accidental firing.
Carrying grenade in a launcher for prolonged time, causes seizures. I mean carrying for days and days. Always service your gp and keep it clean.
The only Talking Balaclava that really matters is back!
Glad you’re safe!
That’s a great overview of the GP 25. Nice system to work with. Looks good on the AKM too. 😊
I’m amazed at how simple it is when it was disassembled
I thought the soviet muzzle grenade were so much more clever and efficient than the western design before watching this...haha. stay safe man
Dobrze cię widzieć, chłopie.
hey Valgear, glad to see your video pop on my feed, hope you are doing good.
I did not knew it was so prone to that type of firing accidents and it is pretty damn scary. Better to use breach loading and call it quits.
Ah, Valgear back at it again making the best content
Bless. Started to wonder how you had fared lately.
Thank you 💪
Thanks, this'll really be useful.
You are amazing, thank you for the awesome video!
Glad you are OK. 👍
I'm learning shit wtf thanks yt
Keep up the awesome work man!
Love your videos - stay safe out there!
I never realized there was a mount to allow it to be a standalone launcher.
Also, thanks for providing such a detailed overview of this grenade launcher. I'm an amateur game developer and I'm trying to make a realistic VR shooter game over time as I learn. I want to model the functionality of the grenade launcher identical to the real thing. Knowing it has that special "trench sight" thing is neat and well noted.
God Bless Brother Keep fighting the good fight
Awesome video keep up the great work its neat to see indepth videos like this!
The Russian/Soviet GP 25, 30, 34 all use a caseless style of grenade instead of the US style that has a case and is breech loaded. The GPs basically throw the entire grenade out leaving nothing in the tube.
Kinda sketchy cuz a burning ember could possibly ignite the propellant if you're rapidly firing them for a suppression effect. Could have a cook off.
I did not know of the misfire when loading the VOG into the tube. Very scary, be safe.
I love how you often have live ammo in the chamber. Perhaps not the case in this but I’m going to imagine it so.
be safe.
That photo is gnarly
... Great in-depth, concise presentation on the gp25 grenade launcher!. Your own weapon that could take your fingers off 😬🥴 not good though!.
Best gp25 video I ever saw
Very interessting. Thanks and greetings from Germany.
I feel like it would be pretty easy to redesign the GP-25 to have a small cam-lever on the barrel that you could use to seat the round fully without risking getting the 'Soviet Stigmata' wounds.
Man , you had me worried.
We live in a time line where the Ukrainians have created their own garand thumb and it’s fantastic. Making gun culture main stream👌
Valgear, have you seen GP-25s adapted to western rifles or RPK-74? There's also GP-30u variant that can be attached to older gen Galil 5.56 variant and FN FAL.
Thats the best tutorial on this ive seen
Ah yes, the forbidden "flump" device 🥰
Whoa didn't realise making an error loading the GP25 meant shooting yourself with it. What madman thought a protruding firing pin was a good idea!?
I understand your love for the GP-25. I carried an M4/M203 for six years, including Afghanistan deployments. The extra firepower is always nice. The M320 *needs* to be standalone though because it’s too heavy and cumbersome to be usefully mounted on a rifle.
Yes! Thank u for showing this, this type of launcher always interested me. But I don't understand how the grenade clicks into the barrel, is there some type of spring that clicks in the bottom of the VOG to hold it ?
there is small pin that clicks on the rim of the grenade, during fireing, the force basically overcome the pins spring power, thatnk you for watching man!
When a soldier has doubts about the safety of a weapon he will avoid using it.
how many rounds does it take before the gp-25 gets too dirty to be safe? Great content as always.
The aiming mechanism for inside trenches is genius we need to design one for the U.S M203.
Apparently, the US doctrine does not imply any trench warfare. You're going to fuck everyone up with your air force and navy and give up if it doesn't work.
I can think of at least two ways they could have solved the "Special Finger removing Feature" 1 A tool that holds the Grenade and allows you to seat the Grenade without using your fingers to push it in. 2 A Small Shutter that would cover the firing Pin until the Trigger is pulled.
A tool or a lever would be lost or broken immediately, and a shutter mechanism would probably get fouled up quickly. It really is a dubious design decision
Omfg yes! Been waiting for GP-25 content! My fav grenade launcher
Glad you back thanks for great video
Yeah. Damn soviets managed to invent a plethora of user-dangerous weapons. GP-25 is notorious for its' tendency to tear your fingers off from its' first years in the army.
This is all the stuff we've been looking at for years just in pictures or maybe one to have an original training manual.... but in russian...
Now live action with commentary... not to mention important safety factors...use your least important fingers for loading...
Dually noted... two middle fingers up...(not trigger finger or thumb😅😅)...
Ah, the GP-25 Kostyor! I remember you well, Tovarich! Many a Monolith got blowed right up thanks to you.
Stay safe, bro 🙏
Story at 9:09 is pretty crazy. Edit: This whole system sounds like Russian Roulette
Thank you for an informative and interesting video! 👍
Glad to see you are safe and sound!
Keep up the good work 💪👍
I have a buddy named pietro. Ukrainian refugee, He lost his middle finger and has a deformed ring finger from the gp25 reloading it exactly how you were showing. Very interesting to see a video that specifically talks about that 1:10000 chance.
Best regards to him!
Hey Valgear, I wanna ask. How common is 7.62x39 in combat in Ukraine? Prices have gone up for us. I believe 5.45, 7.62x 54 and 5.56 are the most used. But does anyone in your unit use 7.62x 39?
I’m pretty prices don’t affect them. They have all surplus ammo in warehouses.
People I know of use 7,62x39 only if they have something like an RPD
AKMs are quite rare on the frontline, although there are some, but most prefer to use them in the cities or CQB combat (they claim that it has more punch at close range).
During first months of the massive invasion 7,62x39 and 5,45 were completely gone from all gun stores and now it's either a dollar or even more per round (although you still can find 30c stuff)
Always glad to see you're doing alright, my guy. Stay safe out there and make some orc meat 🍖 for us.
Ty for making these videos stay safe mate
Great video.
Very, Very nice ! Thanks dude.
did not know that thing has a high arc graduation. leave it to some random guy on youtube giving casual tutorials for fighting russia
What the hell was the justification and rationale of designing a MUZZLE LOADING grenade launcher as apposed to a normal breach loading launcher?
Probably economical or reliability reasons, since it has less moving parts.
I will agree though, a grenade launcher isn't something you should cut corners on