i'm old enough to remember the late Jesuit Father Leonard Feeney (died 1978) who was excommunicated for preaching and teaching that all non Catholics 'go to hell' and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. He caused quite a stir but he has faded into history. His followers were derisively called "Feenyites."
We can never pronounce anyone as certainly condemned to Hell. However, we can clearly assert that Christ established ONE Church as the means by which people participate in His life, and that Church IS the Catholic Church. Only through the salvation won by Christ, is anyone saved. This salvation continuously flows through the Church that He founded.
The renewal of the Church always begins with the Clergy. If the shepherd is sloppy the sheep will scatter (they may love him as a result of finding an excuse to not even make an attempt to live the Faith, but they’re scattered).
I personally know of a case (unfortunately not unusual) where our rock solid CCD materials (Ignatius Press series), even better than the Baltimore Catechism, are barely used. Here’s the two fold problem; 1. artificial birth control - they use it and teach the kids and go to Communion, 2. a dearth of religious sisters who stay with the text and program because of their heightened awareness of obedience. My overall point is the renewal of the Church is impossible without a solid clergy and religious to guide.
first of all - well done on another topic well done and well addressed as I listen here in Toronto, Canada - it is good to know that the Church ( like a family ) can look at things in healthy aspect of differences - I wish there was more room, as there were a few points I heard, which I would have liked to have responded to, in a fraternal amical way [ re: the one true CHURCH/Salvation approach ] - having said that I want to stress how much I do enjoy your work and the topics brought about - its good to be 'uncomfortable' sometimes, as I was a bit today hearing today's topic - Our Lord never said "Come follow me and be comfortable", now did he?? :) - having said that, I extend to you, Br Francesco, to your St Vincent's family and your own immediate family, a Holy Blessed Christmas - and all the best for the coming New Year. Once more, pls keep me in your prayers + ~ cheers from Patrick
So there is no salvation for Orthodox believers, even though their clergy and sacraments are considered valid by the Catholic church, and their Credo is the same?
Take a look at the Collect (Opening Prayer) of the January 1st Mass in honor of the Motherhood of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Without the Immaculate Conception God could not become man. The one only Church founded by Christ teaches the Immaculate Conception. That right there proves the Catholic Church is the true Church.
The key to renewal in the Church is the renewal of the Clergy (prayer, sacrifice and atonement). Make no mistake about it, clericalism of the Laity is dead on feminist.
As you correctly state Brother the Second Vatican Council is NOT sloppy and neither is the Novus Ordo Liturgy. The Documents of the Second Vatican Council “…read just like Scripture…” (Mother Angelica). We are living in a time of apostasy (canon 1364; a manifest heretic is automatically excommunicated), and taking refuge in a trad situation or going with the flow is not helpful.
Time stamp 26:15, you talk about living waters being found only in the Catholic Church. Re-read this Bible passage. What did Jesus say? John 7:37-38 _On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to _*_me_*_ and drink._ _Whoever believes in __-the Catholic Church-__ _*_me,_*_ as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”_ LIving water (the Holy Spirit) is given to every one who believes in Jesus, not to everyone who comes to the Catholic Church!
How did anyone come to believe in Jesus though except through the preaching of His Apostles, upon whom He established the Church. "I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. I give to you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven and whatever you lose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven." (Matthew 16:18) Why would Jesus gives keys and authority to Peter if the Church is irrelevant to receiving living water? Also, Christ commands the Apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19). Baptism is the living water. Jesus gave the living water to the Apostles, i.e. to the Church.
@@allgoodinthebrotherhood You wrote: "How did anyone come to believe in Jesus though except through the preaching of His Apostles" That was during the First Century. The Apostles wrote down the Gospel message and everything we need to know for salvation while they were alive in the First Century. Since that time, we come to believe in Jesus through the preaching of the Gospel and through reading the divinely inspired, written word of God _with the help of the fallible church_ which explains the interpretation of the Scripture in accordance with the rule of faith which is derived from it. “There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source.” (Hippolytus, Against the Heresy of One Noetus) "They [heretics] gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures. _We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith._ For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed “perfect knowledge,” as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.8.1, 3.1.1) “For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?” (Ambrose, On the Duties of the Clergy, 1:23:102) You appeal to Matt. 16. "Why would Jesus gives keys and authority to Peter if the Church is irrelevant to receiving living water?" I did not mean to suggest that the church is "irrelevant," but it is _fallible._ The church must be obedient to Scripture, faithful to Scripture, and submitted to Scripture. Did you know that the early fathers did not agree about who or what the "rock" is (upon which Jesus builds His church)? Tertullian believed that *only* Peter (not any successor) was the rock ("On Modesty," Ch. 21). Origen believed that *all who professed the same belief* as Peter *also could be called ‘rock.’* Origen maintained that the gifts conferred to Peter were similarly conferred to all believers ("Commentary on Matthew," Book 12, Chapters 10-14). Chrysostom said that the rock was Peter’s confession of faith-that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God. “ … therefore [Christ] added this, ‘And I say unto you, you are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church;’ that is, on the faith of his confession. Hereby He signifies that many were now on the point of believing, and raises his spirit, and makes him a shepherd" (Homily on Matthew #54, Sec. 3). Augustine, early in his ministry, believed similar to Tertullian. But he changed his mind later and wrote that Jesus is the rock and that Peter was called by the new name after the object of his faith, Jesus Christ. Thus he said that the _petra_ upon which Jesus builds His church is simultaneously Himself and the confession of faith which Peter was first to vocalize. Vatican I and other decrees say that no one may interpret Scripture contrary to the "unanimous consent" of the Fathers. But the modern Roman Catholic Church is interpreting Matt. 16 contrary to nearly all of the early fathers. They break their own rules! None of the above believed that the "rock" _(Greek: petra, a feminine noun)_ meant 'Peter and all of his successors." None of them taught what the modern church of Rome teaches about this verse. This teaching began only in the 16th Century, as a way to combat the Protestant Reformation. You can belong to the Roman organization, which makes stuff up as they go along, and which has a historical track record of prioritizing their own temporal power and financial gain, or you can belong to some other earthly "church" organization. But in the end, when you stand before God, He is not going to check the name over the doorway where you worshiped. God will see whether the blood of Jesus Christ has been applied by Himself to the 'doorposts' of your heart in response to genuine, living faith in Him.
i'm old enough to remember the late Jesuit Father Leonard Feeney (died 1978) who was excommunicated for preaching and teaching that all non Catholics 'go to hell' and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. He caused quite a stir but he has faded into history. His followers were derisively called "Feenyites."
Invalidates Catholicism
We can never pronounce anyone as certainly condemned to Hell. However, we can clearly assert that Christ established ONE Church as the means by which people participate in His life, and that Church IS the Catholic Church. Only through the salvation won by Christ, is anyone saved. This salvation continuously flows through the Church that He founded.
He denied Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire, both of which are defined doctrines.
We was excommunicated for disobedience, both Trent and V1 confirm the sacraments of Baptism is necessary for salvation.
@@michaelhaywood8262LOL pure lies
The renewal of the Church always begins with the Clergy. If the shepherd is sloppy the sheep will scatter (they may love him as a result of finding an excuse to not even make an attempt to live the Faith, but they’re scattered).
I personally know of a case (unfortunately not unusual) where our rock solid CCD materials (Ignatius Press series), even better than the Baltimore Catechism, are barely used. Here’s the two fold problem; 1. artificial birth control - they use it and teach the kids and go to Communion, 2. a dearth of religious sisters who stay with the text and program because of their heightened awareness of obedience. My overall point is the renewal of the Church is impossible without a solid clergy and religious to guide.
Yes, ONE WAY TO GOD! It's called GOD'S SOVEREIGN WILL!
Universal salvation is REAL! Don't ignore it!
first of all - well done on another topic well done and well addressed as I listen here in Toronto, Canada - it is good to know that the Church ( like a family ) can look at things in healthy aspect of differences - I wish there was more room, as there were a few points I heard, which I would have liked to have responded to, in a fraternal amical way [ re: the one true CHURCH/Salvation approach ] - having said that I want to stress how much I do enjoy your work and the topics brought about - its good to be 'uncomfortable' sometimes, as I was a bit today hearing today's topic - Our Lord never said "Come follow me and be comfortable", now did he?? :) - having said that, I extend to you, Br Francesco, to your St Vincent's family and your own immediate family, a Holy Blessed Christmas - and all the best for the coming New Year. Once more, pls keep me in your prayers + ~ cheers from Patrick
So there is no salvation for Orthodox believers, even though their clergy and sacraments are considered valid by the Catholic church, and their Credo is the same?
By the way you guys are awesome! -good parenting you guys had.
Yes, God became Man and thereby our Sacrifice and Food .
Take a look at the Collect (Opening Prayer) of the January 1st Mass in honor of the Motherhood of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Without the Immaculate Conception God could not become man. The one only Church founded by Christ teaches the Immaculate Conception. That right there proves the Catholic Church is the true Church.
The key to renewal in the Church is the renewal of the Clergy (prayer, sacrifice and atonement). Make no mistake about it, clericalism of the Laity is dead on feminist.
More over present yourself as a living sacrifice when they ask what you do you may speak of whom who serve.
“Convo,” “clutch…”. Love the vocabulary expansion 😂😇👍.
Really broadening our intellectual terminology lol
@@allgoodinthebrotherhoodyes! 😇
We need the church for salvation. Agreed.
As you correctly state Brother the Second Vatican Council is NOT sloppy and neither is the Novus Ordo Liturgy. The Documents of the Second Vatican Council “…read just like Scripture…” (Mother Angelica). We are living in a time of apostasy (canon 1364; a manifest heretic is automatically excommunicated), and taking refuge in a trad situation or going with the flow is not helpful.
Lol pure lies 5 councils mentions Muslims as enemies, one even says they worship Mahomet, which I'd 10000000% a contradiction.
If every religion leads to heaven, I'll go rn to my church and leave the Catholic religion.
Time stamp 26:15, you talk about living waters being found only in the Catholic Church. Re-read this Bible passage. What did Jesus say?
John 7:37-38 _On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to _*_me_*_ and drink._
_Whoever believes in __-the Catholic Church-__ _*_me,_*_ as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”_
LIving water (the Holy Spirit) is given to every one who believes in Jesus, not to everyone who comes to the Catholic Church!
How did anyone come to believe in Jesus though except through the preaching of His Apostles, upon whom He established the Church. "I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. I give to you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven and whatever you lose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven." (Matthew 16:18) Why would Jesus gives keys and authority to Peter if the Church is irrelevant to receiving living water? Also, Christ commands the Apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19). Baptism is the living water. Jesus gave the living water to the Apostles, i.e. to the Church.
@@allgoodinthebrotherhood You wrote: "How did anyone come to believe in Jesus though except through the preaching of His Apostles"
That was during the First Century. The Apostles wrote down the Gospel message and everything we need to know for salvation while they were alive in the First Century. Since that time, we come to believe in Jesus through the preaching of the Gospel and through reading the divinely inspired, written word of God _with the help of the fallible church_ which explains the interpretation of the Scripture in accordance with the rule of faith which is derived from it.
“There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source.” (Hippolytus, Against the Heresy of One Noetus)
"They [heretics] gather their views from other sources than the Scriptures. _We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith._ For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed “perfect knowledge,” as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.8.1, 3.1.1)
“For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?” (Ambrose, On the Duties of the Clergy, 1:23:102)
You appeal to Matt. 16. "Why would Jesus gives keys and authority to Peter if the Church is irrelevant to receiving living water?" I did not mean to suggest that the church is "irrelevant," but it is _fallible._ The church must be obedient to Scripture, faithful to Scripture, and submitted to Scripture.
Did you know that the early fathers did not agree about who or what the "rock" is (upon which Jesus builds His church)?
Tertullian believed that *only* Peter (not any successor) was the rock ("On Modesty," Ch. 21).
Origen believed that *all who professed the same belief* as Peter *also could be called ‘rock.’* Origen maintained that the gifts conferred to Peter were similarly conferred to all believers ("Commentary on Matthew," Book 12, Chapters 10-14).
Chrysostom said that the rock was Peter’s confession of faith-that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.
“ … therefore [Christ] added this, ‘And I say unto you, you are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church;’ that is, on the faith of his confession. Hereby He signifies that many were now on the point of believing, and raises his spirit, and makes him a shepherd" (Homily on Matthew #54, Sec. 3).
Augustine, early in his ministry, believed similar to Tertullian. But he changed his mind later and wrote that Jesus is the rock and that Peter was called by the new name after the object of his faith, Jesus Christ. Thus he said that the _petra_ upon which Jesus builds His church is simultaneously Himself and the confession of faith which Peter was first to vocalize.
Vatican I and other decrees say that no one may interpret Scripture contrary to the "unanimous consent" of the Fathers. But the modern Roman Catholic Church is interpreting Matt. 16 contrary to nearly all of the early fathers. They break their own rules!
None of the above believed that the "rock" _(Greek: petra, a feminine noun)_ meant 'Peter and all of his successors." None of them taught what the modern church of Rome teaches about this verse. This teaching began only in the 16th Century, as a way to combat the Protestant Reformation.
You can belong to the Roman organization, which makes stuff up as they go along, and which has a historical track record of prioritizing their own temporal power and financial gain, or you can belong to some other earthly "church" organization. But in the end, when you stand before God, He is not going to check the name over the doorway where you worshiped. God will see whether the blood of Jesus Christ has been applied by Himself to the 'doorposts' of your heart in response to genuine, living faith in Him.
You're sure not ugly lol