Are Australia Planning to Manipulate World Cup Result to Knock England Out?😱| talkSPORT Cricket
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Cricket Journalist Melinda Farrell is joined by Cricket Broadcaster Geoff Lemon to discuss Australia's Josh Hazlewood's comments on potentially manipulating net run rate to get England out of the T20 World Cup.
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If this was Pakistani, Indian or West Indian Cricketer who said the same thing as Hazelwood this guy would be the first to accuse them of match fixing
because they probably would
Keep crying. Keep seeing racism around every corner.
@@matthew16901did you forgot sandpaper incident or ben stokes odi World Cup final over Or Barstow Runout 😂
I don’t think he would outright call someone a fixer with no evidence. But let us look at where the HQ of match fixing is- India, Pakistan.
So even if an Indian or Pakistan player is accused of match fixing- it would likely be very much possible since they can be easily influenced in such an environment.
That’s why Pakistani and Indian are always second to Australia. You people need to care less about what others think of you and do what’s best for you or whatever helps you win a tournament
The comment you made about Australia never losing to an associate country is not correct. Zimbabwe beat Australia in the 1983 World Cup. Zimbabwe wouldn't get permanent ODI Status until 1992.
regardless of what will happen england has put themselves in that position
No the rain in Barbados helped and anyway at least we’re better off that Sri Lanka and New Zealand
@@CricketEngland yeah the rain helped England because Scotland was going to win that game
@@kosan2875 Bodies 🤣🤣🤣
@@adarshkr2166 What bodied my boi? Y'all got hammered 170-0 last WC 🤡 and ya you're never winning T20 WC ever again in your lifetime
@@tsgkingdevv6593 You're also Indian 🤣
And We have more ICC Trophies than England FYI 🤫
Remember 2013 CT Final 🔥
What a weird load of faux-outrage, the guy is right. What are Australia going to race to victory against Scotland to ensure they meet England? Why should they?
Here the point 👉
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Here's you fukwit
Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
@@CricketEnglandwhy wasn't Steve Waugh banned during the 1999 World Cup when they were clearly taking the piss against the West Indies towards the end of that game. They even admitted it afterwards
@@jehanariyaratnam2874 The clause did not exist in 1999.
Problem is you gotta prove it.. They can just rest their entire squad..
"How do you prove it" is exactly what someone who wishes to cheat would say.
It is exactly what a prosecutor would ask exactly what a judge would ask. Exactly what a jury would ask.
Either an offense has been committed or not. Proving it is secondary. He is suggesting that its ok to commit the offense if it cannot be proven by others that the offense happened. That's a cheater.
Rest assured, if it happens, it will get proven. It's only unprovable according to Geoff. The code of conduct is there for a reason. ICC wouldn't be too happy about England getting knocked out early anyways, and they would like to ensure such things don't happen again.
Net Runrate is one thing but if Scotland win that game... EVERYONE will know Australia threw that game. Proof or not, everyone will know.
I am indian and I don't see anything wrong with Aussies, they are trying to knock out their competitors from moving forward by playing their own game. We are hoping the same happens to Pak. It's strategy 😂
Trouble is it not and if you knew the rules you would say so
Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
I remember in one of the tournaments a while back, not sure if it was ODI/T20 WC/CT, Pakistan had to win for India to go through. They deliberately lost and we were knocked out. This is a right move by the ICC to avoid such deliberate losses
Like India lost against England on purpose in 2019 to knock Pakistan out of wc
@@CricketEnglandCan't believe I am saying this but probably first time I agree with you, This is blatantly cheating and match fixing by Aussies, they haven't changed one bit
@@yasirumer2893No England were far better team than us, India didn't purposely lose
No need for Australia to worry about meeting England in the semis now mate.
Australia should give a game to their physio and manager in the playing x1
If you wanna do it why not do it quietly. It's like saying "Today we will attempt to kill someone" before committing a murder. No if they lose to Scotland or even play slowly Mitch marsh may face consequences
It's totally wrong that England play before Australia and Scotland play... Both teams will know what they have to do to eliminate England and I'm sure they'll both play to make sure that happens! 😏
Why is it wrong? The schedule was made long ago and they couldn't have predicted that England scotland game would be no result. Someone has to play the last game
England will go to super 8s and will thrash Australia if they meet in semis
@@adeadgirl13 The final league games should be played on the same day at the same time, like the Premier league, giving no one an advantage...
@@englanduk6131 That's insane!
"KL Rahul padding balls back to the bowler - is that not match manipulation?"
I doubt I've heard anything as dense as this in my decades of listening to cricket "pundits". We are talking of manipulating the game so as to underperform and deliberately reduce the margin of victory. Was that KL Rahul's objective? If that's match manipulation, any team that's playing for a draw is "match manipulating".
Play the game on its merits. Once you start trying to manipulate the process to achieve a certain result trouble can ensue.
Zimbabwe were Associates when they beat Australia at the '83 World Cup so not quite a clean sheet. In ODI's they are 28 from 29. As for T20's, the game against Scotland will be their fifth against an Associate team. The third and fourth have been at this tournament. Not good enough imo. Hopefully more in the future as the gap between Full Members and Associates continues to close.
Should be like football with last group games play at same time
Dont play with josh. He was probably just having fun in press conference my certain guess
Who could doubt the errr integrity of the Australian cricket team 😂
Australia beed points deducting and the team should be disciplined severely for admitting live on TELEVISION they was going to throw the match against Scotland so England would be knocked out Australia need points deducting for saying this live on TELEVISION shame on you Australia
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Scotland could just win mate show the scots some respect. They were about to hand England thier ass in the 1st game and rain saved them
Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
But why your team have been to this situation where they are dependent on their rivals, please think and then comment don't be biased boundary count world champion 😂😂
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Ever heard of Rain?
And we won that trophy fair and square and unless your Australian I don’t see your name on the trophy recently
@@CricketEngland ok keep rain aside I will not talk about Scotland game but why you lost to australia with huge margin in that case also rain was interrupting you please don't give excuses sour loosers england fortune always favours the brave
@@CricketEnglandRain is part of the game. Should have won against the Aussies now it's not in your hands entirely. Cry more
between England and Australia one has 3 and the other has 10 ICC trophies... I think we all know which is which.. plus Aussies did win WTC and the pinnacle event ODI WC back to back.. so why don't you start showing some respect if you want to be on the receiving end of it... and btw you put yourself in this position... as long as Australia do not score low batting second knowing that they are already ahead of the chasing run rate.. in any other scenario.. you can never legally prove that Australia has manipulated the results m I mean they can drop catches, or bowl bad like and length etc etc .but there's no legality here to prove manipulation..so why don't you guys just shut up
More power to you, Geoffery L!
The lack of sportsmanship and integrity completely detracts the talent of the squad. Shame really. This isn't a good look at all.
it has to actually happen before you say that
Maybe now Bangladesh should throw their game and teach Ozzies a few lessons about the "Spirit of Cricket" ;-)
Everything is fair in love and war…and it’s certainly not love when it comes to Eng vs Aus. It’s a tactical setup to knock a worthy opponent out that has the potential of turning tables on you later…u dont even leave that slightest possibility. It’s not about Aus losing to Sco…even if it’s a close one and Aus do manage to win, Scotland’s run rate will see them thru.
Yes beat Scotland and then I want England to beat them later on..
It’s be honest if you had a chance to knock one of the favourites out you take it.
With England's result it now shines a weak light on the Australians that they were showed to have put energy into this.
Why is everyone crying? Nothing has happened yet. Did Australia do something wrong?
I love Australia's plan 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I'm honestly thinking of the Ashes n the barmy army giving the Aussie players hell, if this succeeds. Its foolish of Hazelwood to admit that on tv. This cld be trouble.
Can australia forefeit the match ?
Australia has lost to associates before in a World Cup -- Zimbabwe in '83
Hazlewood was just joking nothing serious about it dont make it an issue its not kids game icc is scrutizung every game it was just a joke
Very disappointing by Melinda and Geoff. As cricket journalists, it's part of your job to know the exact wordings of the relvant code of conduct and convey it to the public instead of spreading misinformation. Net run rate manipulation in this manner is clearly covered in the relevant article (2.11) of the ICC code of conduct for players.
You ain't doing your jobs well if randos on the internet know more than you on such cricketing matters.
3:05 Clearly they bring it up. The discussion here then is, how do you prove it…? England are already looking for excuses for not making the Super 8.
Yes they bring it up but they don't exactly know what it says. They just vaguely know it, probably because some fans mentioned it on twitter.
Here is what it says:
"2.11 Any attempt to manipulate an International Match for inappropriate strategic or tactical reasons. Note: Article 2.11 is intended to prevent the manipulation of International Matches for inappropriate strategic or tactical reasons (such as when a team deliberately loses a pool Match in an ICC Event in order to affect the standings of other teams in that ICC Event). It might also apply to the inappropriate manipulation of a net run rate or accumulation of bonus points or otherwise. "
One of the main jobs of a journalist is to cut the bs and present facts. Quality of journalism has really gone down over the last 15-20 years.
Football... Soccer... whatever.... teams, in multiple leagues, and in big tournaments, have a history of soft play, or playing for draws, to see their opposition through, if they know that opposition is weaker, and they will have a better time if they make it to the next phase, be it a league semis or knockout games, or the deeper stages of tournaments.
Probably happens more in that game than any other... but it DOES happen in others too.... it is just strategy. If you can play a soft game, go long and slow at the end, or let the opposition, in this case, to get the NRR up, in a Cricket match, it is just the same thing.
England gave Australia the luxury of having the power over if they face them in the 8s, or Scotland, by underperforming with Scotland, and making dumb calls that got them smoked paying Australia.
If they HAD NOT, then this would not be a conversation.
Personally, I hope for a miracle, that Namibia or Oman, roll England, and put this BS to bed, that way we need not worry about Aus v Scotland at all.
I don’t know the rules in football but in cricket Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
@@CricketEngland Proving it is impossible. All Australia has to do is change up their roster, and order, say it is rest dome players, from a pointless game, as far as their progress goes, and it will naturally be a much closer game.
Let any match referee c wall that against the code!
That's no hurdle.
The only question is if it is wrong, ethically.
It is NOT.
I suppose it is a perfect strategy, and every team with some intelligence should use it to their advantage when it is available. It is part of the elimination of competitors to achieve a goal. Sport is not just brawn but also brain. Use it!
A professional team like Australia will never do such thing
let's kick out both finalists from 2022 .
There is something called STRATEGY and in WAR everything is FAIR.
SPORTS is WAR MINUS BULLETS
What Hazelwood said was actually flattering if true. He simply said it would be in Australia's interests if England don't make it out of the group. No problem with it.
@jimb9063 just chill some things are said just casual not to b taken seriously..it's just a humor which sadly triggers many fools 😅😂😂
@@arghamaz ?
England fan here. Root cause if they go out will be getting pummelled by Australia. They've put themselves in this position by performing so badly in that match. Not Scotland's fault. Not Australia's.
Doesn't matter which side you support. There is no condoning the consideration of cheating.
How many times in football tournaments do teams play for a draw if a draw would get both through and that's ok, people are just whining cause it's Engurland
In cricket Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
Maybe Thierry’s no similar rool
In football I don’t know
This is why all final group games are played at the same time in all serious sports.
You can't do that when you have an odd number of teams in a group.
@@marlonmiller5527 true, which is why serious sports don't have odd numbers of teams in the groups
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I like the female co-host. Do more talks with her !!
It would be funny af if the match is abandoned..
Fear of England 🗿🔥🦁
England commentators pre emptively complaining is so funny!
No issue at all for me. What's wrong with Oz playing squad members or trying new tactics in a meaningless (in tournament context) game for them?
Even if the real reason was screwing over England, they could come up with a number of other reasons which couldn't be disproven.
All this is presuming that Oman, Namibia, or the weather won't have a say in it beforehand.
Yeah that's called cheating, that's the only issue.
@@sabyasachighosh6252 Was it deliberate match fixing when Jos Butler threw the ball to Jacks to bowl the second over against Australia?
Maybe, but I'd probably say it was simply a mistake. There's no way to tell the difference unless you can read his mind.
@@jimb9063 The cheater would know when they are committing cheating. Just because it may be confusing to some people what is a mistake and what is cheating, does not give someone a license to cheat.
In any case, such questions are for the match referee and ICC to judge. They have financial incentive to ensure that such things do not happen, since England getting knocked out would reduce viewership numbers. So you take a guess what decision they would be inclined towards in case Aussies do decide to cheat.
@@sabyasachighosh6252 I was pointing out that you can't always tell if cheating has occurred, which isn't a justification for cheating itself.
If Scotland do win against Australia, would you say that cheating would have definitely occurred?
God I hope Aus throw the game now. Match the energy you're chatting in pressers. If you're happy with intentionally underperforming to achieve a specific NRR then you should be happy with losing because you're intentionally underperforming. I would say it's strange or surprising to see Aussies endorse match fixing but G Lemon is truly F tier of pundits so it's not really.
Do it 🤣🤣🤣
How dare anyone question Australia’s integrity! They have a stellar reputation…😂
Unlike England who are the bastions of moral superiority.
Sandpaper gate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And England too lol clown teams 🤣🤣🙏🏽
@@CricketEngland Levers vasoline, Trescothics Murray's mints, Montys zip, Anderson's fingernails, Broads spikes, Atherton dirt in pocket..The irony of POMS whinging about ball tampering.
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During a tour of Pakistan, New Zealand bowler Chris Pringle used a concealed bottle cap to rough up one side of a ball during a 1990 series in Faisalabad.
Waqar Younis of Pakistan became the first player to receive a suspension for ball tampering after a match in July 2000, and was fined 50% of his match fee.
In the second Test match of India's 2001 tour of South Africa, at St George's Park, Port Elizabeth, match referee Mike Denness suspended Sachin Tendulkar for one game in light of alleged ball tampering
Rahul Dravid of India rubbed a cough lozenge on the shiny side of the ball at The Gabba during an Australian Tri-Series match against Zimbabwe.
In 2006, an alleged ball-tampering issue overshadowed a Test match between Pakistan and England, whereby Pakistan refused to take to the field for the evening session after being penalised for ball tampering in the afternoon. Television cameras caught the umpires discussing the condition of the quarter seam. Pakistan are believed to have intended a protest against the decision by delaying their return after tea; however, while they were refusing to play, the umpires awarded the game to England in accordance with the Laws of Cricket.
Shahid Afridi, standing in as the Pakistani captain, received a two T20 international match ban for ball tampering in a match against Australia in January 2010. He was caught on camera biting the cricket ball in a bizarre attempt to re-adjust the seam of the ball.
In the first Test, Sri Lanka notified match referee Chris Broad that Australian bowler Peter Siddle may have been raising the seam of the ball during Sri Lanka's first innings. Peter Siddle collected 5/54. He was later cleared by the ICC
While fielding during the third day of the second Test in Dubai, cameras captured footage of South Africa fielder Faf du Plessis scuffing the ball against the zip of his trousers. The on-field umpires penalised South Africa by adding 5 runs to Pakistan's total and changing the ball
For the second time in nine months, the South African Test side found itself in a ball-tampering scandal, this time with medium-pace bowler Vernon Philander found guilty of tampering with the ball during the third day of the Galle Test against Sri Lanka in 2014. Philander was found to have breached clause 42.1 of the Laws, "scratching the ball with his fingers and thumb", and was fined 75% of his match fee. South Africa went on to win the Test by 153 runs.
On 18 November 2016 after their victory in the second Test against Australia in Hobart. Proteas skipper Faf du Plessis was alleged to have tampered with the condition of the ball after TV footage appeared to show him applying saliva onto the ball from a mint or a lolly
Australian player Cameron Bancroft was charged with ball tampering on 24 March 2018, when videos emerged that showed him rubbing the ball with, and later concealing, a yellow object during day three of the Third Test against South Africa at Newlands Stadium. Bancroft later claimed the object was a short length of yellow adhesive tape to which dirt and grit had adhered, forming an abrasive surface - though four days later, Cricket Australia confirmed that this was actually sandpaper
On the third morning of the second Test between West Indies and Sri Lanka in June 2018, the umpires replaced the match ball and awarded the West Indies five penalty runs when they deemed the Sri Lankan team to have been guilty of ball tampering on the previous day. The Sri Lankan team initially refused to take the field in protest, though they completed the match. Their captain, Dinesh Chandimal, was charged with altering the condition of the ball by the match referee
In November 2019, during the third ODI against Afghanistan, Nicholas Pooran was found guilty of ball tampering. Pooran admitted the charge, and was banned for four T20I matches
So it not just the England team kid.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it . Australia are looking to win the Cup . If it means you have to throw a match against Scotland, then so be it
That’s where your wrong and I wish people like you would read the rules of cricket first so you don’t look the ….. you are
Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
@@CricketEngland I meant that there is nothing morally wrong with it and I don't agree with that code. As long as it's not for monetary compensation , I don't see anything wrong in getting a legitimate opponent eliminated.
@@nikhilbaiju4797 it’s wrong and no better than match fixing
@@CricketEngland Sorry , it's nothing like match fixing.
@@nikhilbaiju4797it is forcing a match go the right way so as to knock another side out and if that’s not fixing a match then I don’t know what is…
After all don’t forget this game is being played after Englands last too games.
The cultural difference between Australians and English people seems insurmountable when it comes to how you approach sports. Not saying you have to agree it’s immoral, but often Aussies seem to not even be able to begin to comprehend why there might be some qualms. Same thing about last year.
Probably that's why Aussies are serial winners, they play to win and not to please the masses and be politically correct.
The third umpire confirmed Bairstow was out. Carey acted in accordance with the laws of the game.
@lsimmo78 So did Stuart Broad and the Aussies still cry about that years later. All fans are a bit biased, just the nature of it I suppose.
No English people have the worst superiority complex. Last year Bairstow was out, 99% of past players and pundits didn't have a problem with it. And then look at the moral outrage English fans had about sandpapergate while seemingly forgetting the numerous times English players have been caught ball tampering or admitted to it in their memiors.
That's y Aussie win all the time and poms lose all the time
If Scotland are given a better result than is fair play. It would be a decision based on race. Therefore it is racism. If India or England did this to Australia, the Australian team would scream unfair. Some people need to grow up.
And people like you need to learn the rules
Manipulating scenarios in such a manner is a breach of the International Cricket Council’s code of conduct, rather than an offence against the sport’s anti-corruption code.
Australia captain Mitchell Marsh could be banned for up to two matches and face a fine if his side were found guilty - something that would be determined by the match referee.
I mean it shouldn't be illegal but total scumy move
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