BEST Stellar Jade Clutching Guide! (F2P Honkai: Star Rail Farming Guide)
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
- Stellar Jades can sometimes be hard to save up! Here are some very good tips to help you get on your way to your next 5 star character. This guide is for both beginner players and advanced as well.
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All Current Redeem Codes for February - March 2024:
[ SOME CODES MAY NOT WORK ]
➤ VEGASHSR (Sweet Dreams Soda x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ 0206STARRAIL (Startaro Bubble x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ SWEETDREAMS (Traveler's Guide x2, Refined Aether x2)
➤ DIVEINTODREAMS (Bottled Soda x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ 0206GRANDOPEN (Energy Drink x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ DREAMTOGETHER (Flaming Potent Tea x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ 0206PENACONY (Steamed Puffergoat Milk x2, Credit x5,000)
➤ 6T96N52TADN7 (Stellar Jade x100, Refined Aether x4)
➤ 3S9N65KTBD63 (Stellar Jade x100, Traveler's Guide x5)
➤ ZA9674JSAUPF (Stellar Jade x100, Credit x50,000)
➤ STARRAILGIFT (Stellar Jade x100, Traveler's Guide x4, Bottled Soda x5, Credit x50,000) - Ігри
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Guess who's here because she lost 50/50 in aventurine's banner🥰🥰🥰
You’ll get some jades!
I got the wrong imaginary husbando lol 😭😭
ME FR
I have been searching videos like this bcuz I lost too 😂
@@itzadamtrustYou're telling me you also lost the 50/50 of Adventurine Banner and instead you got Welt?
Same man same 🫠.
Heres another tip: There are certain npcs that you probably didn't notice, you basically need to talk to the npcs and do 3 missions that each give 60 jades, in total, 180 jades. Npcs located e.g. in Xianzhou: The Luofo, Alchemy Commision - 1 npc in total, Central Starskiff Haven - 1 npc in total, Belobog, Silvermane Guard Restricted Zone, - 2 npcs in total, Herta Spacestation, Storage Zone, - 1 npc in total, Master Control Zone, - 1 npc in total (This is all I remember where the npcs are located but I hope it helps
Its actually 60 per mission, it gives extra if you do certain objectives :D
@@toon3194 Ah, thanks I sort of forgot because I already did it. Thanks for the heads up!
@@sandra_xx oh yeah no, I glanced past it I only know bc I replayed the game twice, and np :D
thats a great tip thanks for sharing!
@@toon3194can you tell me their names? “NPC” really does not really narrow it down
For those who have already done everything, farmed every chest, 100% SU, events, missions, PF and MOC, achievements:
There's nothing you can do now except pray.
I can relate. I play for 2 weeks, but I did all quests including hidden one, every single achievement that is non-battle (did all available) and now I’m really stacked at getting jades, because I can obtain only some in the further future, since to be able to do most of stuff, I have to level and upgrade my chars hard, which takes some time.
So, I’m not really far of the point of praying. I actually kinda pray for jades already.
@@moses3090for 2 weeks is some crazy no lifeness
i figured this, as a newb and f2p (for now) im just saving till i see dragon heng, then blade, then kafka
From that point on wards you can only buy the monthly stellar jade pass
summary and timestamps:
0:28 *simulated universe, easy to farm with discoveries* (like curios, occurences, blessings,, might be hard to understand if ur new but its pretty easy to understand after a while lol) *best to do weekly bc there's point rewards that reset weekly*
1:26 *forgotten hall, very easy at first if ur a bit leveled and havent done anything. 200 stellar jades for every stage you get 3 stars for, very quick but one of the hardest since u need like atleast 8 built characters to survive later on* (, personally i used 3 characters in some of my teams but im stuck now sinve i dont have many characters built lol💀)*
2:16 *pure fiction, need built characters here aswell, if u wanna hear more ab his opinions u can just listen from the timestamp urself lol*
3:10 *store;
embers exchange: every month youre able to exchange embers 5 star rail passes of both sorts
starlight exchange: can when getting dupes u get starlight exchange that u can use for star rail passes, but also for 5 star light cones and 2 4 star characters.*
4:11 *world shops, every world has their own currency, and at a special shop in each one you can exchange a bunch of stuff, from doing this you get rewards (items are actually really useful). world currency is obtainable from exploring and opening chests and doing quests. penacony has the clockie statue instead, where you can exchange the world currency for rewards.*
5:14 *doing missions*
5:38 *character trials, for every patch/gacha theres new trials that give you materials and stellar jades*, you can also see if you like the characters in the trial to see who u want to build/pull etc
6:02 *achievements, pretty straight forward*, u can probably go looking through them if ur looking for getting ones but its very easy to just get them by "accident"
6:21 *exploring, there are bunch of chests, puzzles and secret stuff (that can give achievements) all over the maps so be sure to interect with stuff while exploring.*
6:35 *events, also pretty straightforward but u can do both limited and permanent events and this is very easy for f2p players.* creator of vid also shares some tips here that u can listen to too if u wanna
7:54 *daily check in on hoyolab, very easy and fast just check in every day for different rewards. you can also participate in events on the hoyolab app for rewards*
8:33 *login stuff in the game that comes with different patches*
9:08 *redemtion codes, you can just look these up and search for every patch/date ur doing them on since they come almost every month and path, i just search on the hoyolab app anf theres usually bunch of them.*
also, you can regularly check ur mail ingame for stuff, idk if anyones reading this but i felt like writing all of this so yay
sending you this because these tips helped me save this much
UR a legend thank you man ❤️‼️
I already have 200 pulls ready for boothill…but I want his eidolons + lightcone so I always think about farming more and i will definitely use this video!! Tysm 😭😭
No problem!
I swore i'd save up for boothill, it didnt end well bcs i ended up spending all my jades on aventurine and didnt even get him. ❤
@@IiI961atleast your boothill is garanted and you are gonna be forced to farm more
THESE FUCKS MAde me LOSE MY 50\50 TO YANQING OR WHATEVER HIS MAME IS.OH MY GOD JSUT GIVE ME MY JING LIU
Me but with firefly! I have 270 pulls saved. I want her e2 and her weapon
Sparkle's banner was the best thing to happen to my f2p ass. It took everything I had to finally pull her, but in the process I got E6 Sampo for my DoT team, E6 QQ and E6 Hanya (which means now I have a QQ hypercarry to make those tiles go brrr) and also E6 Xueyi, who wasn't a rate up but the game just kept throwing her at me. Truly a blessed banner- wait, what do you mean I'm broke and Fu Xuan is rerunning??
QQ is fire.
Fu Xuan I want her but I’m deciding between her and huohuo to complete my dot comp I neeed huohuo for mono quantum I need fu xuan
@@wtfmikxy I also can't decide who to pull between Fu and Aventurine cause I already have Huohuo and I'll say she is really good her Energy Regen really comes in clutch on DoT/Hypercarry since you won't be running Energy rope on someone like Sampo/BS her Energy Regen helps a lot and the Hyper carry support can Ult faster not to mention the +40% ATK.
Want Fu Xuan too but I got Sparkle and Acheron, so I might not make it (also did try 10 pulls on aventurine without getting him)
Fu Xuan when gonna start saving to 160 pull her and her light cone...
Another tip here but by chance: If you discover a Trotter, you can receive 20 stellar jades from them! They were really helpful when I didn't complete Exorcismal Chronicles. They give out a ton of jades since with one of the exorcisms, you can change the different enemies to trotters! Really quick way to farm for jades if you are behind on some of the side events!
Actually its 60
I dont think turning enemies into trotters give jades, im pretty sure only overworld spawns count
It hurts, when you see the gold and hear the music only to get a bronya clone instead of sparkles😭
Aw man 😭😭
Well, I won’t have to worry about that anymore, my current account is much better than that bricked one
On my way to get Acheron savings and clutch Robin, thanks!
Of course I’m glad this video helped you out good luck against the gacha gods! ❤️
spent saving on sparkle and used this guide for clutching arheron idk if i can still clutch up for both robin and boothil (i have not done pure fiction or forgotten hall i cant win in any of them :(..)
@@enderdarkness8601 Same bro! But I've been trying to fix my account this whole time, so I'm slowly making progress (while making savings!)
I WILL GET ROBIN. I WILL GET ROBIN. I WILL GET ROBIN AFTER I LOST THE 50/50. I WILL THROW BAILU AGAINST A ROCK.
Dude that little rat bailu man I have her 2 eidolons man
Bailu is good
HELP I JUST LOST MY 50/50 FOR BAILU I FEEL YA IM LIKE THAT TOO 🥹🥹
Can I tell y’all something. I had started playing honkai a week ago and I thought I’d never get a five star until I looked in my mail and in that moment I got doctor ratio I had infinite luck a day after I got dr. Ratio I had gone on the departure warp and the limited and got Acheron and himeko
W’s in the chat
Fuck you(Im sorry I just lost a 50/50)
Yea. I never wanted Sparkle that badly but just for the hype of everyone pulling for her i did a 10 pull and actually got her. She really did change my account (Jing Yuan op). Watch me loose 50/50 on Acheron tho 💀 (10 k jades saved)
I’m about 10k primos on genshin if I lose my 50/50 to furina burn my account 😭
@@wtfmikxy 😭
@@xcomputerhead2408 like bruh.
Anyway good luck
You know what's unexpected? I got freaking Bailu! BAILU ON SPARKLE'S BANNER!! like wtf?!? I wanted Sparkle, in the end i got bailu, wth...
Me who's completed everything: Sir, there's nothing we could do
pray to get trotters, they have a chance to drop 60 jade
I was desparate for stellar jades for some future characters, saw this, and got underwhelmed. not because this advice is wrong or bad, it isn't, but because I already knew all this.
Sorry I wasn’t much help! I’m sure there’s other things out there that can help out tho!
Great help to me!
Try golden gears
@@anassright5342 already got all the jades from there and swarm disaster.
I lost my 50/50 twice to her🤡
I got her E2S1 in 225 pulls no losses and without without spending 🤡
@@HollowTB_E2 🔥🔥🔥🙏🔝
Twice 😔😔😔😞
are you pulling E1 for her ?
Damn, I got her E1 in a singular pull
One more thing, you can complete the daily training (in the imterastral guide) and get 60 jades a day, it’s low effort and you can get enough jades for 3 passes every 8 days
Valid tip! ✅✅
the acheron grind is real
lost my 50/50 on acheron and went to 80 twice, and then lost my 75/25 to gepards lc on the banner 😭🙏 definitely needed this lmao
So did u got acheron ?
@@captainstar910 I was lucky enough to get her and her lc but I was getting close to not getting her lc because I had to go all the way back to pity 😓
@@user-hi9zz9xe7w you still lucky, I got acheron in 20 pulls, then I had 80 tickets left, I spent all for getting loucha but lost my 50/50 to himeko which I already had 😭
@@captainstar910 ripp I also lost my 50/50 to himeko on acherons 😔 while I was still trying to get her lc i accidentally did a 10 pull on her banner instead of the lc banner.. 10 pity for boothill now ig 😭
@@user-hi9zz9xe7w you can tell me what is pity?
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUU FOR THISSSS
A few correction needed here:
1. This is not a strategy game. It's turn based combat. It requre tactics, not strategies. It's far to be a "strategy" game.
2. 99.99% of these Stellar Jade are once per account rewards, so you can farm a huge amount them once. But when you spent that huge amount, you can't farm it again, only a small fraction of it.
they both go hand in hand. you need tactics to have strategy and tactics is how you get to your strategy. turn based combat games still require planning(example persona or old final fantasy) tactics are simply what you use to implement the strat.
@@aceknight6622 No.
Strategy by definition is:
"a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim."
In these games there is no long-term things at all, the battles not take days, lose them has no impact to your gameplay next week.
A turn based combat require short term thinking, therefore it's not stategy, and the outcome of the combat has no impact to later events.
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe ....you addded long term into the defnition yourself. The exact defnition is everything you said without long term. Its "a plan of action or policy desgined tp achieve a major pr overall aim" Wihich is ypur entire arguement. If ypur gonna use a google defnition at least quote it correctly.
Also strategy does not have to be long term. Do you think every single strategy game takes days or weeks?
And even then one of the defnitions literally say "the art of planning of panning an directing". No where does ot specify long term.
@@aceknight6622 No, I didn't added anything. I literally copy pasted the whole thing, but I repeat it again:
"noun: strategy; plural noun: strategies
1.
a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim."
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe you quite literally did.. the defnition literally doesn't have long term in it.
Copy paste the entire thing noun
a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.
"time to develop a coherent economic strategy"
Similar:
master plan
grand design
game plan
plan of action
plan
policy
proposed action
scheme
blueprint
program
procedure
approach
schedule
tactics
set of tactics
the art of planning and directing overall military operations and movements in a war or battle.
Similar:
the art of war
military science
military tactics
generalship
a plan for military operations and movements during a war or battle.
"nonprovocative defense strategies".
So no idea where you gpt ypur defnition from but its clearly not from google
Besides maybe Bronya's LC (if you dont't have at least one 1 copy) nothing there is worth compared to getting a limited 5-star in my opinion
I agree
My dumbass pulled for her lightcone when I started out and got it I was so hyped but I saw it was a lightcone then died inside
Bro you’re literally me in HSR(we basically use the same methods and don’t have the best characters as well)
I have Done Everything You have said to get the jades, only thing i cannot clear is FH 7 to 12 and Pure Fiction 3 and 4. But Loosing 50/50 and bad Luck cannot be helped with events
and daily
Guess who's here after losing the 50/50 on boothill banner 🎀
On god tho! I can’t believe it as well I got that little twirp quangi or whatever his name is the ice sword grub and I already had him ffs
real
i lost 50/50 boothill banner, i actually wanted to lose pity to gepard cause i got soft locked andi want a good shielder to protect me from boss's one shot move, ended up getting bailu instead
@@TheTwoCat you shouldve got fuxuan shes not a shielder but shes a good sustain as she takes all the damage to herself
@@CoolUMIN yea I know, but I already lost 50/50, I actually just needed to build my character better afterall
ive recently started grinding (had the account since june 2023), and noticed how generous the rewards are compared to genshin. i’m ar58 and have been playing for 2 (almost 3) years now. it’s honestly a shock to see the difference in everything. but now i’ve got something to grind since i’m completely burnt out from genshin
Genshin has been tiring for me too. Live love laugh honkai star rail
Saw that in the monthly rewards, 2/3 are theorically F2P (1/3 being the paid star rail refuel thingy)
Clearly a breath of fresh air compared to microtransaction based games
i literally started HSR a week ago after playing genshin for 2 years… i can’t express how much more i enjoy playing HSR in comparison to genshin solely bc of the rewards
I pulled kafka and black swan in 20 pulls and sparkle on my 81st pull
Now im finna pull for acheron cause nah i'd pull acheron
Nah I’d win
@@wtfmikxy update i got acheron on my 60th sum pull and got her signature lightcone on my 35th pull
@@user-or2vc8tm3k niceeee
I'm just starting the game and I am mind boggleg how deep this game actually goes 😂
Same there
@@Leon_S._Kennedy my friend doesn't think I'll get the plat so I'm gonna prove him wrong
I currently have 61 pulls for boothill, im going to try this. ill update to see how many pulls i get from this!
how are you in the story? like i started that game 10 days ago and im looking to reach 60 now. sadly im nearly done with all side quests already it feels like and imonl lvl57..
i see ok noted thanks for your information man i need it for new character 👍👍👍👍
acheron
@@kella.kiyo_ already got her after 39 pulls finally got Acheron
Thanks I’m glad it helped!
@@wtfmikxy it is 👍
Guess who’s saving for firefly but accidentally got boothill while tryna get pela
Came here to know how to farm more for stellar jades since I’m just now coming back to hsr after a year 😁
guess who’s here because she pulled robin 2 days before boothill a banner
i pulled for both robin and topaz lol
good vid ty
Glad it helped!
Being a Day 1 player who quit for months feels great. TL 47, 6 limited 5*, 2 permanent 5* and absolutely 0 clue how teams work
“Some of you are blessed by the gacha gods…”
Me rn… I’m on day 12 of HSR, E1 S1 Acheron, Clara and signature light cone, Welt, Yanqing, e6 pela, e6 Dan Heng, e6 Gallagher.. 14 wishes from pity hunting for e2 Acheron.
To me, this seems wild enough, but when you consider that in the same time frame I’ve had chiori and her sword on Genshin, and an ld5 on sw… it’s actually crazy! Yes I’ve spent, £30 though for what’s literally thousands sometimes!
Ty for the guide, I cleared the beginners forgotten hall and all worlds in SU (base difficulty) but MoC and Pure Fiction are kicking my azz… :(
Not to mention simulated universe is on of few things to drop assension materials
I won my 50/50 twice both on her and jing yuan banner.. time to save for luocha and jing liu...
I am currently in severe denial because I am literally never going to get aventurine how do I cope with this
Wait for fucking fuxuan or hope you lose your 50/50 to gepard or you just wait till hes back
@@Snigen203 thanks for the fucking tips
started in the beginning and stopped, so i’ve missed out on soo many units 😭 atp im cracking the piggy bank
Lemme add
After doing specific questions, you can get a visitor verification of a specific character that appears in that quest
If you dont know, once that specific character gets a visitor verificatio, they can appear at the Parlor car/ The express train. You can talk to them and if you do, you can get 10 stellar jades
Who else saving for Luocha and Jingliu? 😢
Same here
I'm saving for Jingliu, I'm focused on getting Acheron and maybe Adventurine
skipping
I need blade and luocha lol going to make the suicidal team comp (JL and blade)
it's funny how I got sparkle in my first daily pulls even tho it's not a pity
(this literally happens to me and now I regret not saving to pull archeron)
I’m struggling to even get those secrets cuz I can’t even beat difficulty 3 bruh, genuinely just get near 1 shot despite having my sustain pretty built
TLDR :
JUST DO EVERYTHING IN THE GAME
I loss my 50/50 to Bronya on Aventurine's banner:) So I'm here to try and salvage Stellar jades huhu
Here bc i NEED Boothill ❤
Bruh... i just noticed im screwed, the only thing left for me to do is achievement hunting, i already used every other source. And i really want to get Acheron.
I get the characters i want just by basically not playing the game and coming back when the next banner comes while my stellar jade is already enough for a pull i either win 50/50 or get it on one draw
Me who has grinded every source of jades possible in game, maxed out SU expansions, 100% every single map, did every extra puzzle missions, 36 starred both MoC and PF etc: interesting
I just lost my 50/50 for achreo 😭😭
E0S1 Acheron in 40 pulls, wuuuut! c:
I feel like my odds of pulling a 5s before the 50/50 is higher then the 50/50 pull itself
bro it took me 130 pulls i saved up for months just to get argenti ONCE
here just so that I can see how I can get more for firefly
i completely forgot world shop exist😀
Having already done this scraping for Ruan Mei and Black Swan my account is just empty o7
I won my 50/50 three times in a row. I'm in for a rough time next update, because I know that lucky streak ain't gonna stay.
bro I spent all my jade on sparkle grinded like a mf won acheron early and hope I can lc i done 60 pulls I just hope like the 50 side missions and companion stories i have can get me enough XD
i lost to himeko on sparkle's banner, now i have 22 pity and still trying to get her 3 days before her banner ends huhu. idk who im gonna get in 2.1 if i don't get sparkle
Aventurine
I dont understand how to beat simulated universe :( i cannot even do world 2 and i only get the first 3 rewards
I wanna play the game but there is nothing to do ots like they want you to go the daily then leave.
I’m here because I accidentally pulled Robin because I clicked on the pull button, I only wanted to look at my pity 💔 and I was on guarantee for boothill…
Now im saving up for firefly
omg your baby account , i'm surprised you know a lot from the game . btw build pela tingyun and asta i'm first day player and those supports are monsters to this day =)
Imo Asta not so much she has fallen off much more as compared to pela or tingyun.
@@lasmariasdc2278 Asta is still very valuable for F2P players, especially in dual DPS teams
@@lasmariasdc2278 she's super op at pure fiction what are you talking about y:
fortunately I have black swan, Kafka, and Ruan Mei so I got DOT now I’m building my mono quantum but last night I got blessed in standard from accidentally pulling and they gave me Himeko so I might just do erudition comp with my sparkle for my second team 🔥
Definitely build himeko and herta too when you can both are extremely worth for pure fiction clears decently built himeko and herta almost guarantees 30k on 1st node in pure fiction.
as a f2p, an a person who just saved up 6k jades, im gonan be so mad if i lose my 50/50's to Acheron
Lost 50/50 to Bronya.. i guess at least Acheron guaranteed? Sparkle would have really helped my teams.
My genshin luck was so good I got two 5 stars on limited banners in 30 and 2 pulls but I lost my 75 pity for robin to bronya 😔
I wanna get jingliu rerun, but i want boothill too(even though i prefer nihility)
Any idea on how to get like 10 more pulls in 8 days without whaling and the steps jn the vid? Ive done them 💀😭
im safe proofing bc i fell like im gonna end up pulling Aventurine at like 3 am
I wish there’s a way to farm jades endlessly after finishing all content for now because people will just stop and do dailies.
Me who just got robin and wants topaz and ran out of events to get pity(45+ pity rn)
Here because I have no stellar jades after successfully getting Robin and Welt to come home 👍👍 Now all I need is Himeko in the standard banner and wait for Ruan Mei aka Psychopath Mommy to come back and I will officially be winning in life 🙏🙏
1. grab your card with the numbers on it 2. spend .3. profit?
I lost my 50/50 for sparkle😭 waiting till she comes back, tho I do have Acheron😊
I got e2s1 acheron i got extremely lucky won 50 50 3 times and lost one that was for e2 got bronya didn't have her so still a win i used my last pull and got her with 0 pity ive been lucky this entire week as i won a ps5 on Wednesday
what if i am in endgame and i done everything . only jade i am getting is from like daily quest weekly resets
real 😭
how did you get 30 on stage 2 pure fiction? Im tb53 and struggle to get 30k satge 1.
use erudition characters they r really op (especially c6 herta)
Erudition characters
i lost the 50/50 for sparkle will i make it?
Depends if you do what the masks says ‼️
holy shit tysm i only have like 12 pulls for robin 😭😭😭😭
to justify these 12 pulls i was pulling for jingliu e1
This is for new accounts, how can you get 12k jades for F2P in 24hrs if you already got those previous events rewards?
When you have exhausted all of these options, you eventually have to come to terms that spending money is the only way to get more jades
Or waiting for new content.
I did all the things you said and I got sparkle but now I have nothing 😂.
I don't even have missions lol..( already Trailblazer lv 70)
that makes 2 of us! 😭😭😭
When I first started out playing my dumbass pulled on the bronya light one banner and I got her lightcone then I pulled for sparkle I got her then I pulled 2 ten pulls for acheron got her I switched my bronya for sparkle and transfered her lightcone over to sparkle once I get inhibitor lunea Dan heng I am set
Saving 4 Jade
I’m a genshin player or used to be ig cuz I had to delete the game (storage issues T-T) and I literally said “hahaha genshin could never” when I was watching 9:03 😂🤣🤣🤣😭
LOL
I know there was a Robin banner but I spend but they also have Topaz in the banner and I spend all that on her she has a fine azz I can’t help it! 😭
8:06 THIS EXISTED?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SHOCKED
MoC prolly takes you 2 months of building considering relic rng. Just do first 3-4 floors if you can two pulls thats what I do
Now I'm going farming for Robin ( i'm f2p and i have now 27 passes and almost 8K jades)
You’ll get her!
Im spend my jade at permanent banners because i really want bailu his healer are the best and now i running out of stellar jade😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
me rn bc i used everything for aventurine lol 😭 now i'm saving for sunday and jiaoqiu !!
Yeah same here I used everything for E1 S2 aventurine. Now I want Jade & Sunday but I’ve heard Sunday probably won’t be playable until 2.4+
i just do everying i can do, i can grind maybe a few 10 pull in like quite a bit hours ifi try hard enough
I spent 300 trying to get jingliu
I wish I could get to Gold and Gears... I am stuck on Swarm Tutorial part 2 or 3... the 76 Lvl one...
From the thumbnail, i could give you tips as well on how to get jade in 24 hours, find the nearest ba-
LMFAOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭
10 stellar jade for daily random characters on the astral express is also a way
i totally forgot about that hol up
Definitely not watching this at TL70 with like 95% of content done because I'm desperate for Acheron😂
Same but 75% finsh