Well you have trash like Daniel Ortega in the way @@planetarystargazer, he won't allow anyone to run against him without making up some bogus corruption accusations and the rest of the government follows along with him. He's Trump posing as a leftist, he has ushered in stricter abortion laws than Texas. Then you have Bukele, who has zero respect for civil rights, and it's not like it's only because the crime rates were a legitimate national emergency. None of the people he locked up will ever have their cases reviewed. And the way he's playing with the money supply is inviting a greater disaster than he's attempting to solve. Too may dictators and not enough popular support to get rid of them, that's the problem in a nutshell.
@@1mol831 I think London post-Brexit provides a window into what New York City might experience: Some challenges, but not death. Consider how strong Singapore is as a financial center without any connection to a larger market. Also consider what happened to Hong Kong after being integrated with China: Their situation has declined. So there are several moving parts to this.
I do think that in any scenario where the US federal government was dissolved and the State governments became sovereign over their own territories, those three states (or at least NY and NJ) would definitely form their own union centered on NYC, or an even larger union with CT/MA/RI (or possibly the entire NE states) and MD, since the Northeast Corridor would keep these areas economically integrated. They may lose their western territories west of the Appalachian Mountains to a Great Lakes/Rust Belt union though.
@@General.Knowledgewe desperately need a new flag. The navy blue color is good, but i would prefer something that implies a river like a green-blue-green "tricolor". Or maybe Austria's flag pattern with a blue belt on a green background to resemble the east-west course of the Erie Canal, probably the most important waterway in the state's history.
I live in New Hampshire and there’s a very small but vocal movement for secession from the US. They’ve tried to get it on the ballot and the proposal actually just got rejected by the state house. I personally can’t see NH surviving on its own.
I think that realistically all the border regions with Canada would try to join Canada if the US explodes but Canada didn't. The economic benefits of being in such a large market with free movement is simply too large. And the Great Lakes region (including Upstate NY) has far to easy trade with Canada to not immediately strength ties to them. Of course, if the USA explodes its probably taking Canada and a bunch of the world's economy with it.
It was mentioned in the video but it's vitally important to remember, especially when talking about things like relative wealth and GDP, that these states or groups of states, have the standing they have precisely because they are a part of the whole that is the USA. Take that away, go off on your own, and that dynamic stops. Some of these places may do OK if they were to strike out on their own but I'm betting they'd find it a helluva lot harder than they think.
@@antoniodasilva1230key players that only exist because of their place in a wider whole. For starters a lot of economic regions cross state boundaries, including the extreme example of the NYC metro being in 3 states. (Downstate NY, the Northern half of NJ, and Fairfax county CT) Major ports like LA, NY, and New Orleans are so incredibly busy not because they have high demand, but because they hand so much trade for the inland regions of the country/continent. The EU is basically giving europe the economic half of what the USA gives to its states. If you removes that effortless free movement and 0 tarrif interstate commerce you are going to damage these economies. I'm not saying they would freefall to rock bottom, but it would definitely cause/worsen a recession.
This is very true. I was thinking about how he said that both Texas and Florida have an aerospace industry but most of that is the federal space industry. They're getting that money and funding from the other states. Without the other states then they're going to have to figure out a way to fund their aerospace industry.
I'm proud to be from New England, but we have more to gain within the United States than without. To the other New Englanders, what do you think about forming regional institutions above the states but below the federal government aimed at promoting cross-state economic development and our New England identity?
I think regional cooperation is definitely an important stepping stone if an independent New England is ever to have a chance. Off the top of my head the only thing I can think of that we currently have in place is the Regional Student Program that allows New England college students to enroll at other New England state universities as a discounted rate compared to what other Americans from out-of-state would pay. One proposal I would make is extending the Massachusetts health care system to other New England states wishing to participate. Obviously New Hampshire would freak the hell out at that idea so just leave them out of it, let New Hampshire be New Hampshire, but I think Vermont, Rhode Island and Connecticut could be interested if they don't all have to go it alone. Then maybe the infrastructure put in place to accomplish that lets the 6 states more easily cooperate in other areas.
The whole North East region would make a powerful country on its own. NY, NJ, CT and New England are very similar politically and culturally. I can see this new country being closely aligned with Canada and Europe more so than the rest of the US.
In the case of the US, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. All the states mentioned rely heavily on federal money, especially in times of natural disasters. Could California, Texas and Florida even protect their own borders? And what about travellers from other US states. We have the same sort of movements every now and then from Western Australia, as they see themselves as putting more into the Commonwealth of Australia than they get back.
I mean they still have national guards and Texas California and Florida account for 12% 12% and 8% of all military recruits each year. Texas also has the tradition of militarized law enforcement via the Texas Rangers as well so overall I think they could all defend themselves if they prioritized properly
I'm from Michigan and I love my homeland very much, I always strive for it to be the best it can be, as I have immense pride in my homeland. I wholeheartedly believe michigan could be independent, and thrive as it's own country, based on its name sake, the great lakes. If Michigan became independent, it would have serene republic of Venice levels of location for trade, as the great lakes already provide lots of shipping of resources around, and there's already two huge markets if it becomes free. The US, and Canada, plus, you could use the St. Lawrence River out to sea. If other states become free as well around Michigan, even better, as water trade will facilitate more economic prosperity. Plus there's plenty of natural resources, such as mining. Farming. Lumber. And if Detroit became the manufacturing hub of the Midwest again. Michigan could be quite the regional power.
Aerospace in Texas is mostly financed by US Govt. That would likely move out of Texas to AL or NV. And the Florida chunk would likely move up the coast to Delmarva or SC.
The Great Lakes would be a strong nation, given access to the outside world. 47 million people with a $3.6 trillion GDP. Lots of manufacturing and farming, we produce what the world needs.
3:19 NYPD is already bigger than some militaries. And permanent military installations can presumably go to the state breaking off, so they start with Westpoint and probably some more.
Florida at the moment could work* as a nation, but due to the effects of global warming after around 100 or so years most of the state would be submerged making it far weaker, and the odds would be most of its population moves to avoid the flooding, with the only solution being to do a similar approach as the Netherlands to keep its chance to thrive. But that’s just how I view it and I don’t mind if you guys think otherwise.
Oklahoma would be a very interesting country considering how a huge chunk of it belongs to Native Americans. Hopefully one day we will actually see a Native American country!
Okay, (or OK since we're on Oklahoma) I'm gonna sound like a scammer, save for this at first part. the UA-cam channel "Legal Eagle" did a video on some court decisions regarding Oklahoma and Native American land: ua-cam.com/video/7gr6DpjEmWo/v-deo.html I thought it was interesting and thought since you mentioned the state and the Native Americans that you might also find it interesting. Presuming you weren't aware of them.
You do realize New York State is basically unpopulated except for Long Island and New York City, right? There was a brief movement back in the 50s to make New York City its own state, but it fizzled out quickly.
With around 6million people Upstate would be the 20th state by population, hardly unpopulated. Especially factoring in how much is intentionally left undeveloped as nature preserves, because wilderness has a value. (The Adirondack park was formed to protect the Erie Canal as one of the first things the environmentalist movement accomplished, and that's mainly because NYC needed that canal to stay operational to protect their bottom line.)
@@slook7094Most American states are still less densely populated than upstate New York. It's a larger population in a smaller area than Finland or Norway. Upstate isn't Manhattan but it ain't Wyoming or Alaska either, it's pretty normal for an Anglosphere region.
What about Alaska or Hawaii? The states most likely to succeed with their current abilities, populations and resources are New England, Alaska, maybe Hawaii as a tourism country like the Maldives or the Bahamas, Delaware Virginia Maryland, West Virginia and maybe eastern Kentucky as a group, Wyoming Idaho Iowa Montana and the Dakotas as a group, Wisconsin & Minnesota together,
I *think* California still has a bigger population than Canada, though I may be incorrect because our population has been shrinking in the last few years.
Yeah sorry about that, it's just that on a thumbnail NY's state flag is so similar to all the other states with a blue field and state seal on top of it.
I think Hawaii should be its own country again. The US did an illegal thing by overthrowing its government. Also, I think Texas and California can be its own country. I live in California and wish it were. I’m sick of the Federal Government. Not so sure about New York and New Jersey.
Some states are really powerful even compared to developed countries, for example Texas has half the population of South Korea and yet its nominal GDP and GDP per capita is higher
I think all of the US states could cut it as independent countries. Even a state like Minnesota would end up with an area that would rank between Serbia and Azerbaijan, a population that would rank between Singapore and the CAR (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Finland), a GDP that would rank between South Africa and Iran (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Czechia), and, if it maintained a military the size of its current National Guard, a military roughly on par with Ireland.
Would be interesting to see how North Carolina would stack up if it was a country, or some merging of a couple of states into a single nation, like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho into one nation. Then there is the great plains, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming and Oklahoma into one nation... maybe. Then there is the Great Lakes region, I could see those state uniting into one nation.
New England does not mostly agree on policy and political issues. The three northern states and the three southern states are substantially different. Also, Connecticut is functionally a part of New York City, and upstate New York is culturally closer to New England than New York City.
Not all parts of Connecticut. The majority of the state is culturally close to New England. Only the southwestern part, Fairfield County, is culturally closer to NYC.
NYC takes half of Jersey and southwest CT with it. Upstate is a weird cultural crossroads between New England and the Midwest/Rustbelt with some of its own uniqueness. Realistically if the USA exploded i would expect Upstate to join Canada, or whatever new nation forms around the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway. The Lakes' trade is simply too important for the region. (And in a hypothetical Great Lakes Republic i expect Toronto to become the Capital as the largest city) NYC would probably share the fate of the rest of the northeast corridor cities. (DC - Boston)
Id like to think Arizona could exist as an Independent country due to what we consider the 5 C's those being Copper, Cotton, Cattle, Citrus and Climate (slightly skeptical as it gets real hot in the summer) As well as we have a fair population, As well as our state capital Phoenix is the fifth largest city by Population in the whole US with 1.6 million as of 2022. looking at Copper, Arizona has the The Morenci Copper Mine which is regarded as the largest Copper mine in the US and among the largest in the world (top 10) as of 2023
What about things suchas natural resources in the cases of production of electricity, gas for automobiles, natural gas for heating and cooking, food production ? I dont think New York produces enough of any one food for its population.
Each of these countries would have to provide for their own defense, the single largest discretionary item in the US budget. So a fair analysis would look at the burden each state would have. Florida, being a peninsula, might have the lowest burden.
A better way to word this would be states that could become countries if the union collapsed and they were left to their own devices. I guess that wouldn’t have made for a very good video title.
It would make sense to have the state of Albany (New York state minus NYC and Long Island). Still none of this is realistically happening...we've had the same lower 48 states/boundaries (and I don't think hardly any counties were added/changed either?) since 1912 and making any changes would require the approval of both Congress and all the state legislatures involved...and there would have to be a LOT better reasons for it besides partisanship.
A idea has been floated around for NY to internally divide into 3 states. NYC, Long Island, and everything else. So on a map you would see NY and it would have a governor of NY that would just exist to be like a figurehead. In reality each state would have it's own governor and laws. Become a state that is made of three states. Since the divide between regions of NY is basically the grand canyon, upstate and downstate hate each other. I know I described the idea poorly but it's probably the most likely to happen if it ever gets put to a vote.
NY would need to take atleast Northern New Jersey and Fairfax County Connecticut with it to preserve the greater NYC metro area, which is the financial core of the state. But realistically without the freedom of movement and security from being within the USA the state would be much worse off. A consequence of being in such an economic union with all the other states for so long is an economic codependency to hold them together. (This is basically the origin of the EU, to get France and Germany to "marry" their economies and make war between them unthinkable due to the economic devastation is would cause both of them. So far atleast is has worked.) Super regions of the US would have to break off together like when the Confederacy left, it was the entire southern slaver economy that left as one entity.
You also forget upstate NY would just revolt if they were stuck with NYC, it would be hopeless situation politically. It would come down to only option for upstate NY would be a armed uprising to fight for freedom. The only time I can think of in living memory that upstate and downstate ever came together on something is when 9/11 happened, outside that it's fighting words to mistake someone from upstate as being from NYC. Upstate and downstate quietly hate each other.
If the United States breaks apart, each state would have its own national guard, on top of local police. (I doubt military would be an idea for some of these country’s).
You said New York State would have a small military but the NYPD is the 37th largest military in the world and have their own naval fleet and submarines for patrolling the NY harbor
Love this video! Aside from New Jersey, I've contemplated these same scenarios many times and like your perspective on it. Texas would be a juggernaut as a nation-state. Great economy that continues to diversify and grow, unique culture, and well-positioned geographically. I think New York would do well, but as an Upstate New Yorker myself, you brought up very valid concerns on internal division. Building on what you said on New England being more culturally aligned with Canada, I would say that's very much the case with the Western NY and North Country regions. There's an ongoing movement that emeges from time to time which seeks to separate Upstate from NYC as its own state within the US. Never really gains traction, but that still says a lot. I think Louisiana would be an interesting concept as a nation-state. It has many economic issues and environmental concerns from storms/rising sea level, but culturally would do well and New Orleans would be an asset in many ways. I could see Louisiana leaning more into La Francophonie and other French partners, as well as the Caribbean and Mexico.
As an Upstater i definitely agree that internal divisions would be a serious concern. We also don't have much in the way of fossil fuel resources and would have to set up political agreements to import them. Another major concern is that a large amount of the NYC metropolitan area is outside of the state. (Northern New Jersey and Fairfax County CT) Personally i think that if the US explodes and Canada didn't we would see New England and the Great Lakes region (includes upstate) trying to join Canada. Especially for the Economic and Military benefits of being in a larger country, especially around a common watershed like the Seaway which already facilitates trade between nations.
A great video to prepare for an upcoming civil war. Personally, I think that if that happens, the New states would push into apalatia and midwest, Texas and Florida would recreate the confederacy, but this time with great planes, and California would just quickly grab the mountain and be like "screw this, I'm out, call me NCR (New Cascadian Republic)". Speaking as a Californian.
A union of New England, New York and New Jersey would compete with Germany and Japan for 3rd largest economy in the world. The 3 nations would be ranked 3-4-5 in different orders depending on which metric you use. It would surpass the United Kingdom, let alone Old England. Perhaps the new nation could be named "New United Kingdom," although it would conspicuously lack a king. And civil war would surely break out once Boston and New York nominate their own local sports heroes to the throne.
True, but also realize that small economy states would become 3rd world countries. They benefit way more from being in a union with other states than being independent.
Your thumbnail has the city of New York flag over the state of New York while the city could be its own country Also, please correct that it’s highly offensive to us New Yorkers. :) not really but still.
NY would be the balkanize if it tried to be it's own country. Since the state has been flirting with idea of splitting up into multiple states for a while. You have the majority of state controlled by the minority in NYC and it sucks, it just sucks. The economy of upstate NY suffers because of dumb laws NYC forces on rest of the state. The relations between upstate and downstate is so bad that NYC doesn't dare let NY actually put splitting up on the ballot. It's actually a insult to call someone from NY a New Yorker because they will assume you mean NYC.
There is no “south nation”…and if the area you showed has so many different “subregions” then they obviously aren’t the same region in reality. Also the black belt isn’t an actual “region”…it’s just an acknowledgment of a higher rural Black population….there is no “same culture”
*Do you think any other states would do well as their own country?*
pennsylvania (unless u already said it idk i didnt watch the video yet)
I’d say colorado. We already are running at a surplus.
I think Georgia, North Carolina and Washington would.
The Old Confederacy states would work.
Illinois, Chicago will keep it alive, I love my home state
What If Central America united as a single country
They did from the 1820s to, I believe, the 1840s
@@eliplayz22I was wondering if it could survive as a country today. That's if those Central American countries united in today's World 🗺️.
@@planetarystargazer oh, I see now. In that case, Idk
Well you have trash like Daniel Ortega in the way @@planetarystargazer, he won't allow anyone to run against him without making up some bogus corruption accusations and the rest of the government follows along with him. He's Trump posing as a leftist, he has ushered in stricter abortion laws than Texas.
Then you have Bukele, who has zero respect for civil rights, and it's not like it's only because the crime rates were a legitimate national emergency. None of the people he locked up will ever have their cases reviewed. And the way he's playing with the money supply is inviting a greater disaster than he's attempting to solve.
Too may dictators and not enough popular support to get rid of them, that's the problem in a nutshell.
oh yes! i wanna know more about that
I think New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania could form a pretty powerful country together
@JG-MV MA would also be a welcome addition but I would expect them to fall in with New England if the states began seperating
New York financial Center would die if it leaves the U.S.
@@1mol831 that's a very good point that I honestly didn't account for
@@1mol831 I think London post-Brexit provides a window into what New York City might experience: Some challenges, but not death. Consider how strong Singapore is as a financial center without any connection to a larger market. Also consider what happened to Hong Kong after being integrated with China: Their situation has declined. So there are several moving parts to this.
I do think that in any scenario where the US federal government was dissolved and the State governments became sovereign over their own territories, those three states (or at least NY and NJ) would definitely form their own union centered on NYC, or an even larger union with CT/MA/RI (or possibly the entire NE states) and MD, since the Northeast Corridor would keep these areas economically integrated. They may lose their western territories west of the Appalachian Mountains to a Great Lakes/Rust Belt union though.
FYI, thats the flag of NYC not New York State on the title screen.
True! I just hate NY's state flag so I used the city one instead
@@General.Knowledge It's not only inaccurate, it perpetuates the thought that there's nothing more to New York than NYC.
@dansouthlondon9873 this is a video about the U.S. though...
@@General.Knowledge No, the entire state should change to that flag
@@General.Knowledgewe desperately need a new flag.
The navy blue color is good, but i would prefer something that implies a river like a green-blue-green "tricolor".
Or maybe Austria's flag pattern with a blue belt on a green background to resemble the east-west course of the Erie Canal, probably the most important waterway in the state's history.
Colorado should be the Switzerland of North America.
With the various cantons in the mountains, eastern plains, and front range.
Plus the the best part, no illegal aliens to sneak in
I live in New Hampshire and there’s a very small but vocal movement for secession from the US. They’ve tried to get it on the ballot and the proposal actually just got rejected by the state house. I personally can’t see NH surviving on its own.
You could also join the New England Independence Campaign
I think that realistically all the border regions with Canada would try to join Canada if the US explodes but Canada didn't.
The economic benefits of being in such a large market with free movement is simply too large.
And the Great Lakes region (including Upstate NY) has far to easy trade with Canada to not immediately strength ties to them.
Of course, if the USA explodes its probably taking Canada and a bunch of the world's economy with it.
Rolling home to Old New England brothers ✊
I can't think states can leave due to the 1860s civil war
It was mentioned in the video but it's vitally important to remember, especially when talking about things like relative wealth and GDP, that these states or groups of states, have the standing they have precisely because they are a part of the whole that is the USA. Take that away, go off on your own, and that dynamic stops.
Some of these places may do OK if they were to strike out on their own but I'm betting they'd find it a helluva lot harder than they think.
Not really 😂😂😂 you're forgetting that these are key players in the whole American economic system 😂😂😂
Key word there... "American" economic system.@@antoniodasilva1230
100%. The US is more than the sum of its states. So if each went their own way they wouldn't do as good as they do now, just independently.
@@antoniodasilva1230key players that only exist because of their place in a wider whole.
For starters a lot of economic regions cross state boundaries, including the extreme example of the NYC metro being in 3 states. (Downstate NY, the Northern half of NJ, and Fairfax county CT)
Major ports like LA, NY, and New Orleans are so incredibly busy not because they have high demand, but because they hand so much trade for the inland regions of the country/continent.
The EU is basically giving europe the economic half of what the USA gives to its states.
If you removes that effortless free movement and 0 tarrif interstate commerce you are going to damage these economies.
I'm not saying they would freefall to rock bottom, but it would definitely cause/worsen a recession.
This is very true. I was thinking about how he said that both Texas and Florida have an aerospace industry but most of that is the federal space industry. They're getting that money and funding from the other states. Without the other states then they're going to have to figure out a way to fund their aerospace industry.
That's why every state should do it's own thing since it disagrees with one another and we don't want the other states to control our state
I'm proud to be from New England, but we have more to gain within the United States than without. To the other New Englanders, what do you think about forming regional institutions above the states but below the federal government aimed at promoting cross-state economic development and our New England identity?
Be more English 🎉
I think regional cooperation is definitely an important stepping stone if an independent New England is ever to have a chance. Off the top of my head the only thing I can think of that we currently have in place is the Regional Student Program that allows New England college students to enroll at other New England state universities as a discounted rate compared to what other Americans from out-of-state would pay. One proposal I would make is extending the Massachusetts health care system to other New England states wishing to participate. Obviously New Hampshire would freak the hell out at that idea so just leave them out of it, let New Hampshire be New Hampshire, but I think Vermont, Rhode Island and Connecticut could be interested if they don't all have to go it alone. Then maybe the infrastructure put in place to accomplish that lets the 6 states more easily cooperate in other areas.
Oh yeah, GO NEW YORK! Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for watching!
The whole North East region would make a powerful country on its own. NY, NJ, CT and New England are very similar politically and culturally. I can see this new country being closely aligned with Canada and Europe more so than the rest of the US.
We like to pretend we are different but in reality we are the same.
Another state video this is getting good
Now do the Midwest/Great Lakes/Rust Belt
Here’s An Idea: What If Cascadia (Bioregion) Became An Independent Country?
Fun Fact: There are more people living in Los Angeles County, alone than in 40 of the 50 United States
In the case of the US, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. All the states mentioned rely heavily on federal money, especially in times of natural disasters. Could California, Texas and Florida even protect their own borders? And what about travellers from other US states.
We have the same sort of movements every now and then from Western Australia, as they see themselves as putting more into the Commonwealth of Australia than they get back.
With the exception of Texas, they don’t protect their borders now.
I mean they still have national guards and Texas California and Florida account for 12% 12% and 8% of all military recruits each year. Texas also has the tradition of militarized law enforcement via the Texas Rangers as well so overall I think they could all defend themselves if they prioritized properly
It looks like Texas is protecting its own borders now since the Federal Government , Biden Administration, refuses to stand up to their obligation !
I would see Florida having lots of wars.
Why
Very interesting
My money on Texas, New England federal states !!!
I'm from Michigan and I love my homeland very much, I always strive for it to be the best it can be, as I have immense pride in my homeland.
I wholeheartedly believe michigan could be independent, and thrive as it's own country, based on its name sake, the great lakes.
If Michigan became independent, it would have serene republic of Venice levels of location for trade, as the great lakes already provide lots of shipping of resources around, and there's already two huge markets if it becomes free. The US, and Canada, plus, you could use the St. Lawrence River out to sea.
If other states become free as well around Michigan, even better, as water trade will facilitate more economic prosperity.
Plus there's plenty of natural resources, such as mining. Farming. Lumber.
And if Detroit became the manufacturing hub of the Midwest again. Michigan could be quite the regional power.
Minnesota will ship you our vast iron lumber and agriculture products if you help us defeat the twin cities
Great video.
Thank you!
Aerospace in Texas is mostly financed by US Govt. That would likely move out of Texas to AL or NV. And the Florida chunk would likely move up the coast to Delmarva or SC.
The Great Lakes would be a strong nation, given access to the outside world. 47 million people with a $3.6 trillion GDP. Lots of manufacturing and farming, we produce what the world needs.
Florida would also lose the massive Social Security and Medicare funds that support its economy.
3:19 NYPD is already bigger than some militaries. And permanent military installations can presumably go to the state breaking off, so they start with Westpoint and probably some more.
Poor Canada. Outclassed economically by California, Texas and New York -- each with smaller populations.
Pretty soon for California you are going to have to change UK to Germany. We passed UK years ago and quickly closing on Germany.
If the US Balkanized then the Midwest should pull together as a single country
Yea extremely powerful
@@JohnFreyholtz-ii8ju i mean they would control a large portion of the agricultural lands if so. So yeah what you said.
And industry
This all depends on if other nations would recognize them and trade with them, otherwise good video
Good point! External recognition would be key
@@General.Knowledge
Trade and military would be a key for that
bro included jersey but not cascadia
Good vídeo
Nice video !
every state could survive on its own, and most will do better than a large amount of other countries. but we are stronger together.
Florida at the moment could work* as a nation, but due to the effects of global warming after around 100 or so years most of the state would be submerged making it far weaker, and the odds would be most of its population moves to avoid the flooding, with the only solution being to do a similar approach as the Netherlands to keep its chance to thrive. But that’s just how I view it and I don’t mind if you guys think otherwise.
Can you do nations or regions which would fo well to combkne into a unified state? (Maybe Central America, parts of Africa, Caribbean)
Hawaii could be its own kingdom. Not sure if there is any historical precedent for that though.
Before the coup of 1893, Hawaii was its own kingdom.
My geography teacher showed us a video of you but I am watching you since about 2021 or 22
Nice! Which one did they show?
I couldnt find the name but it was the one where you compared mongol empire and rome and other things@@General.Knowledge
Oklahoma would be a very interesting country considering how a huge chunk of it belongs to Native Americans. Hopefully one day we will actually see a Native American country!
Okay, (or OK since we're on Oklahoma) I'm gonna sound like a scammer, save for this at first part.
the UA-cam channel "Legal Eagle" did a video on some court decisions regarding Oklahoma and Native American land: ua-cam.com/video/7gr6DpjEmWo/v-deo.html
I thought it was interesting and thought since you mentioned the state and the Native Americans that you might also find it interesting. Presuming you weren't aware of them.
Great point! I should have added it here
You do realize New York State is basically unpopulated except for Long Island and New York City, right? There was a brief movement back in the 50s to make New York City its own state, but it fizzled out quickly.
With around 6million people Upstate would be the 20th state by population, hardly unpopulated.
Especially factoring in how much is intentionally left undeveloped as nature preserves, because wilderness has a value. (The Adirondack park was formed to protect the Erie Canal as one of the first things the environmentalist movement accomplished, and that's mainly because NYC needed that canal to stay operational to protect their bottom line.)
@@jasonreed7522 For that much area, that's not much. North Korea is smaller and has 4x the population.
@@slook7094Most American states are still less densely populated than upstate New York. It's a larger population in a smaller area than Finland or Norway. Upstate isn't Manhattan but it ain't Wyoming or Alaska either, it's pretty normal for an Anglosphere region.
@@maninredhelm All measures of population density for New York are skewed by Long Island and the five boroughs.
My g we have cities up here 💀
What about Alaska or Hawaii? The states most likely to succeed with their current abilities, populations and resources are New England, Alaska, maybe Hawaii as a tourism country like the Maldives or the Bahamas, Delaware Virginia Maryland, West Virginia and maybe eastern Kentucky as a group, Wyoming Idaho Iowa Montana and the Dakotas as a group, Wisconsin & Minnesota together,
I *think* California still has a bigger population than Canada, though I may be incorrect because our population has been shrinking in the last few years.
You should have talked about Casacaidia
Ofc NJ could be a country, we got slightly more land and people than Israel and our economy is slightly bigger by GDP
As a New Yorker not from the city, I am annoyed at the usage of the NYC flag for the whole of the state (on the thumbnail)
Same here
Yeah sorry about that, it's just that on a thumbnail NY's state flag is so similar to all the other states with a blue field and state seal on top of it.
Man we gotta bring a better flag up to Albany cuz ours is garbage 💀
I think Hawaii should be its own country again. The US did an illegal thing by overthrowing its government. Also, I think Texas and California can be its own country. I live in California and wish it were. I’m sick of the Federal Government. Not so sure about New York and New Jersey.
Some states are really powerful even compared to developed countries, for example Texas has half the population of South Korea and yet its nominal GDP and GDP per capita is higher
I think all of the US states could cut it as independent countries. Even a state like Minnesota would end up with an area that would rank between Serbia and Azerbaijan, a population that would rank between Singapore and the CAR (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Finland), a GDP that would rank between South Africa and Iran (or, in Euro terms, between Denmark and Czechia), and, if it maintained a military the size of its current National Guard, a military roughly on par with Ireland.
Would be interesting to see how North Carolina would stack up if it was a country, or some merging of a couple of states into a single nation, like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho into one nation. Then there is the great plains, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming and Oklahoma into one nation... maybe. Then there is the Great Lakes region, I could see those state uniting into one nation.
New England does not mostly agree on policy and political issues. The three northern states and the three southern states are substantially different. Also, Connecticut is functionally a part of New York City, and upstate New York is culturally closer to New England than New York City.
Not all parts of Connecticut. The majority of the state is culturally close to New England. Only the southwestern part, Fairfield County, is culturally closer to NYC.
@@bluegold1026 You can see the division by looking at a map of Yankees/Sox fans
NYC takes half of Jersey and southwest CT with it.
Upstate is a weird cultural crossroads between New England and the Midwest/Rustbelt with some of its own uniqueness.
Realistically if the USA exploded i would expect Upstate to join Canada, or whatever new nation forms around the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway. The Lakes' trade is simply too important for the region. (And in a hypothetical Great Lakes Republic i expect Toronto to become the Capital as the largest city) NYC would probably share the fate of the rest of the northeast corridor cities. (DC - Boston)
@@jasonreed7522 Are you from Upstate?
@@flyingsquirrell6953 yes, and spent 2 years in CT, but I'm back home now.
What about actual movements like the greater idaho project?
That’s never going to happen because Idaho doesn’t even want Eastern Oregon.
I have a video coming up about it! Out in a few weeks :)
Pretty sure the network area is mostly self sufficient when it comes to industry.
Floridda's citizens is its wildlife.
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Id like to think Arizona could exist as an Independent country due to what we consider the 5 C's
those being Copper, Cotton, Cattle, Citrus and Climate (slightly skeptical as it gets real hot in the summer)
As well as we have a fair population, As well as our state capital Phoenix is the fifth largest city by Population in the whole US with 1.6 million as of 2022.
looking at Copper, Arizona has the The Morenci Copper Mine which is regarded as the largest Copper mine in the US and among the largest in the world (top 10) as of 2023
What about things suchas natural resources in the cases of production of electricity, gas for automobiles, natural gas for heating and cooking, food production ? I dont think New York produces enough of any one food for its population.
That's why they invented import-export commerce :-)
Each of these countries would have to provide for their own defense, the single largest discretionary item in the US budget. So a fair analysis would look at the burden each state would have. Florida, being a peninsula, might have the lowest burden.
Logistically speaking if NY split off then New England would be an exclave but the more likely case is that New England just splits off with it.
Texus was independent for 9 years after independence from Mexico
And the Vermont Republic was independent for 14 years. But both Vermont and Texas pale in comparison to the Kingdom of Hawaii's 98 year reign.
@5:49; ..."potential issues with water"...what do all commercial crops need to grow?
As a New Yorker New York dont survive a year as a nation knowing this place
A better way to word this would be states that could become countries if the union collapsed and they were left to their own devices. I guess that wouldn’t have made for a very good video title.
As an Alabama boy, I highly recommend not repeating our mistakes.
Why is no one talking about how the thumbnail has the nyc flag instead of the New York flag and the video doesn’t
United Caribbean islands ;)
They play under a combined cricket team.
I think the entire north east would make a great new country .
It would make sense to have the state of Albany (New York state minus NYC and Long Island). Still none of this is realistically happening...we've had the same lower 48 states/boundaries (and I don't think hardly any counties were added/changed either?) since 1912 and making any changes would require the approval of both Congress and all the state legislatures involved...and there would have to be a LOT better reasons for it besides partisanship.
Please no, the city pays for our healthcare and infrastructure and the city needs resources from upstate.
A idea has been floated around for NY to internally divide into 3 states. NYC, Long Island, and everything else. So on a map you would see NY and it would have a governor of NY that would just exist to be like a figurehead. In reality each state would have it's own governor and laws. Become a state that is made of three states. Since the divide between regions of NY is basically the grand canyon, upstate and downstate hate each other.
I know I described the idea poorly but it's probably the most likely to happen if it ever gets put to a vote.
NY would need to take atleast Northern New Jersey and Fairfax County Connecticut with it to preserve the greater NYC metro area, which is the financial core of the state.
But realistically without the freedom of movement and security from being within the USA the state would be much worse off. A consequence of being in such an economic union with all the other states for so long is an economic codependency to hold them together. (This is basically the origin of the EU, to get France and Germany to "marry" their economies and make war between them unthinkable due to the economic devastation is would cause both of them. So far atleast is has worked.)
Super regions of the US would have to break off together like when the Confederacy left, it was the entire southern slaver economy that left as one entity.
Yeah literally. They need to preserve the Tri-State area
You also forget upstate NY would just revolt if they were stuck with NYC, it would be hopeless situation politically. It would come down to only option for upstate NY would be a armed uprising to fight for freedom. The only time I can think of in living memory that upstate and downstate ever came together on something is when 9/11 happened, outside that it's fighting words to mistake someone from upstate as being from NYC. Upstate and downstate quietly hate each other.
Brazilian States that could be their own Countries.
Appropriate to use the New York City flag for all of New York lol
New York could probably become a naval power
Not with the kind of people we have here.
Without NJ? No
If the United States breaks apart, each state would have its own national guard, on top of local police. (I doubt military would be an idea for some of these country’s).
Y’all are missing out on the obvious candidate to become an independent nation: Hawaii
You said New York State would have a small military but the NYPD is the 37th largest military in the world and have their own naval fleet and submarines for patrolling the NY harbor
Local government always cares more about local people. Support parochialism.
I think it was better a joined NY/NJ country
Im From Mindanao, The Philippines I Love California and Texas Idk why i love them
Love this video! Aside from New Jersey, I've contemplated these same scenarios many times and like your perspective on it. Texas would be a juggernaut as a nation-state. Great economy that continues to diversify and grow, unique culture, and well-positioned geographically.
I think New York would do well, but as an Upstate New Yorker myself, you brought up very valid concerns on internal division. Building on what you said on New England being more culturally aligned with Canada, I would say that's very much the case with the Western NY and North Country regions. There's an ongoing movement that emeges from time to time which seeks to separate Upstate from NYC as its own state within the US. Never really gains traction, but that still says a lot.
I think Louisiana would be an interesting concept as a nation-state. It has many economic issues and environmental concerns from storms/rising sea level, but culturally would do well and New Orleans would be an asset in many ways. I could see Louisiana leaning more into La Francophonie and other French partners, as well as the Caribbean and Mexico.
As an Upstater i definitely agree that internal divisions would be a serious concern. We also don't have much in the way of fossil fuel resources and would have to set up political agreements to import them.
Another major concern is that a large amount of the NYC metropolitan area is outside of the state. (Northern New Jersey and Fairfax County CT)
Personally i think that if the US explodes and Canada didn't we would see New England and the Great Lakes region (includes upstate) trying to join Canada. Especially for the Economic and Military benefits of being in a larger country, especially around a common watershed like the Seaway which already facilitates trade between nations.
A great video to prepare for an upcoming civil war. Personally, I think that if that happens, the New states would push into apalatia and midwest, Texas and Florida would recreate the confederacy, but this time with great planes, and California would just quickly grab the mountain and be like "screw this, I'm out, call me NCR (New Cascadian Republic)". Speaking as a Californian.
A union of New England, New York and New Jersey would compete with Germany and Japan for 3rd largest economy in the world. The 3 nations would be ranked 3-4-5 in different orders depending on which metric you use. It would surpass the United Kingdom, let alone Old England. Perhaps the new nation could be named "New United Kingdom," although it would conspicuously lack a king. And civil war would surely break out once Boston and New York nominate their own local sports heroes to the throne.
Honestly, every state could be its own country. Theres plently of small economy nations. Does a small economy make Chad not a nation? No.
There's no justification for any state to be its own country except for Hawaii
@@silverletter4551 I didnt say anything about justification, jack.
@@silverletter4551 and Alaska
True, but also realize that small economy states would become 3rd world countries. They benefit way more from being in a union with other states than being independent.
I’d like to see if Louisiana would be viable for independence
As a Texan, I can see Texas being its own country again. I occasionally joke about Texit, but mostly when California is being particularly annoying.
Independent New England would be the most prosperous.
Join the New England Independence Campaign
@@jodo4661 I’m starting my own grass roots movement and trying to incorporate NewBrunswick and Nova Scotia.
@@TheMichaelMonroeDoctrine don’t forget Prince Edward Island
Anyone else getting Hearts of Iron IV mod vibes besides me? 😂😂😂😂
Great game!
Pennsylvania!!
Hawaii was an independent nation.
Separatism is always moral.
Freedom of Association.
Probably
New England
The south
West coast
Great plane's
Texas
Louisiana
Hawaii
Alaska and Florida
Plus the Midwest
Hmmm. Interesting 🤔
Your thumbnail has the city of New York flag over the state of New York while the city could be its own country Also, please correct that it’s highly offensive to us New Yorkers. :) not really but still.
We need a better state flag ngl.
I want the orange, we were settled by the Dutch so it’s our special color.
What if the Great Lake States united
Lol too fast😂
You mean port newark of NJ not port of ny.
What about the old confederacy? Minus Texas and Florida obviously
but states cant gain independence no state ever had after civil war.... most states like stayin in america
Well with more political discourse and polarization, I think something will happen within the next 30 years
NY would be the balkanize if it tried to be it's own country. Since the state has been flirting with idea of splitting up into multiple states for a while. You have the majority of state controlled by the minority in NYC and it sucks, it just sucks. The economy of upstate NY suffers because of dumb laws NYC forces on rest of the state. The relations between upstate and downstate is so bad that NYC doesn't dare let NY actually put splitting up on the ballot. It's actually a insult to call someone from NY a New Yorker because they will assume you mean NYC.
justifies the union
There is no “south nation”…and if the area you showed has so many different “subregions” then they obviously aren’t the same region in reality. Also the black belt isn’t an actual “region”…it’s just an acknowledgment of a higher rural Black population….there is no “same culture”
The state of new work is my fav💀