Is Patrick Crawley Still Alive? | Downton Abbey
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- Опубліковано 4 тра 2019
- Was it really Patrick Crawley or was the whole thing just a cruel fraud? What do you think about it? Do you believe him? Tell us why!
From season 2 episode 6: Isobel has plans for Downton to continue to help the war wounded in some way after Robert's announcement that the ceasefire will begin on Nov. 11.
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"Remember that governess you all used to hate?"
-Such a general question. Most upper class British people had strict governesses they disliked as a powerless child at some point.
It's called "cold reading"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
Mary was spot on in this. What other kind of life would you have had?
It's sad Edith would believe any man who made her feel seen.
Especially that her own family was ignoring her most of the time, so that made her so vulnerable to anyone who could make her feel at least in 1% important
Sounds more like Mary.
Well, in the case of the farmer, you would be right. Edith was so overlooked she was starved for attention from anyone. However, Edith had been in love with Patrick. Mary was supposed to marry him, but it was an arranged marriage so Cora's money would go to Cora's grandchildren. Mary even told Edith she did not want to marry Patrick and if she had found someone else, she knew Edith would take him. Episode 1 of the series.
Accents don’t go away when you have amnesia. It’s ingrained into the deepest refreshes of your brain. It’s muscle memory. He was definitely a fraud, I just wish they would have closed out the story.
He got so angry when he was not recognized as if there were clear aspects of him to recognize. Like, no. You do not sound or look the same. That's the first reason I did not trust him; he was unreasonable.
If Patrick Crawley lived in Canada for years it’s possible he could’ve lost his accent.
@@stephenmurphy2212 it’s very unlikely. Especially since it has only been about five years at that point.
Foreign accent syndrome is very real
It was first reported in 1907 and can be triggered by head trauma so medically it is possible.
Patrick was dead that man was a con artist. This man knew Patrick and was obviously a confidant of the real Patrick. He knew the mannerisms of Patrick Crawley. Who doesn't know they are doing hang signals, especially for the first time in front of Mr. Crawley. He remembers the most generic information without detail.
They way he did that hand thing with his lips was so out of no where. It looked so intentional for Robert to see him do that and then acted confused when Robert asked him where he learnt that. I think he was an impostor.
He was Patrick's best friend. They worked together
I watched this when I was younger and was completely convinced that he was the real Patrick.
Now that I’m older this was clearly some friend/acquaintance of Patrick’s, who attempted to sneak his way into the family
Except Peter Grodon who worked with him was Briths too and immigrated to Quebec in1913. why did fake Patrick not sound British with a hint of French Canadian if he was Peter Gordon? Fake Patrick sounded like he came from an English speckling Canadian province.
Made me think of the GOLDEN GIRLS episode where a guy who worked in the one office for the veteran's benefits, came across some info for Charlie Nylund, came to FL, met with Rose, and told her that he was a friend of her late husband's and had served with him. With what he could guess/charm, Rose filled in the blanks without realizing that's what she was doing. Looking at the conversations he had with Edith, made me think of those same conversations - even a gesture, he may have picked it up watching someone (like one of the Crowley family), and he was a good enough actor that Edith fell for it.
I called it from the beginning. I wholeheartedly believe this guy was a con artist. His details were vague and if he was the real Patrick he would not have gone to the trouble of getting Edith on his side and instead would have gone to Lord Grantham. Plus, if Mary was the one he was going to marry than surely she would have a better chance than Edith of recognizing him. But instead, this guy went straight for the most gullible sister. The real Patrick also would have waited it out instead of running as the real Patrick would have no reason to run. The whole "It was too painful" thing is just an excuse. This guy knew the jig was going to be up so he left.
I think most vulnerable is more accurate than most gullible. Her lack of self esteem makes her susceptible to emotional manipulation.
@Martin Dennis Nobody with a brain would totally buy that
Martin Dennis What?
Martin Dennis oh ok.
I wholeheartedly believe this man is a con artist, but I also believe he knew or worked for Patrick at one point (hence the reason he claimed to “know things only the real Patrick would know”). If so, Patrick could have told him of Edith’s affection or even affection he may have had for her. It’s possible that’s why he chose Edith to introduce him as Patrick to Lord Grantham.
I hated the fact that this was never resolved by the end of the show. Made it a stupid storyline
The unresolved aspect is the point. It makes you feel uncomfortable because the real heir might be out there, suffering, spoiled from what is his by our oblivious heroes.
It's also part of Edith's storyline, and helps reposition her from a jealous and inferior rival who needs to learn her place to the ultimate underdog, because she empathizes with another underdog.
Many things in Life are unresolved. It's neither stupid or a storyline, it's just a mirror to reality. We don't always necessarily knows everything, and a lot of things are mystery to us.
Well let's see what the movie holds
Wasn't this just Season 1? You can't say that something unresolved was a stupid storyline, as they were still attempting to establish an audience. Frankly, I think Mary being a heroine throughout the series was stupid. Even her involvement to get Bertie and Edith back together was narcissistic. She wanted Edith out of HER house (on her terms, not Edith's) and was still nasty about it in the end. Why any show would center around such a terrible human being makes no sense. They tried to make Hannibal a series in the US...it failed. Mary Crawley was no better than Hannibal Lecter.
It was obvious he was an impostor. Whey Edith told him they would look for Peter Gordon, he left and the note It was too hard said it all. He tried but he only fooled Edith. Even Sybil asks P for Peter or P for Patrick.
Resolved or not, this character was creepy and unlikable.
Very much so. Whenever I rewatch the series, I always skip the parts with him.
EXACTLY.
Have you got no empathy ?
AMULYA MISHRA It’s not about sympathy but connectivity. When a character is dislikable to the viewers, then they will simply loath his presence. And personally, I think he is a fraud because he only talked to Edith who was both gullible and kind-hearted. Why ? Because she might have been the one Crawley family member whom the real Patrick mentioned very often when he was alive (he was apparently fond of Edith). Plus, she also had a soft spot for him (evidently shown with her mourning Patrick profusely at the funeral which took place in the beginning of the series) so the guy would simply use her naïveté and his dead friend’s story to his own advantage. If he really was the heir, then he should’ve talked to Sybil who was a Crawley sister and also working there full-time as a nurse. But the guy didn’t do so simply because he did not know anyone else’s name but Edith’s. And that’s why I find his intention of “wanting everyone to know that Patrick is alive” questionable at best and sinister at worst.
I think that he is disturbing because men like his character reminds us that war wounds does not end just because the war has concluded.
The real Patrick would have known Sybil. Sybil was coming out of the nursery and spending time with the family. Patrick would have recognized her, when she walked into the hospital room to retrieve Edith.
I believe they added this storyline to be like the Anastasia imposter that many believed to be the real Anastasia. The reason they never resolved it is because the whole Anastasia thing was never really resolved until the woman died
actually until even later. 2005 only came the definite proof.
Do I believe him? Absolutely not. Few reasons, the biggest being he never mentioned his Father. Patrick was on the Titanic with his father, James, and yet this guy didn't seem to know that. Seems an odd thing to not mention if you truly were Patrick Crawley.
Also, even if he did lose his memory like he claims, why didn't officials send him back to the UK once he was fit to travel again? I'm not sure how all that would've worked back then, but surely if a survivor has no idea who he is but he at least has an English accent, wouldn't you send him back to the UK and let them help him get his life back?
Then his accent, his comments to Edith... No, he was not Patrick Crawley. He might've known Patrick, sure, but he was not Patrick.
Exactly. He's too old for his accent to have changed.
They didn’t show here the scene where he says “suppose he (Gordon) joined the princess pat infantry?” I thought that suggested he admitted to being Peter Gordon? Or did I get that all wrong?
@@asdabir I think he was covering his tracks. He knew he had Edith convinced, but he was trying to work out how he would play it if he were to stick around after the investigation. I think he knew he would get found out.
I'd like to see an epilogue in which a 102-year-old Patrick Gordon gets a DNA test to see whether he really is a Crawley.
Or perhaps he returns to Canada, marries, has a son who finds incontrovertible proof of his Crawley identity and returns to Britain to challenge the other Crawley 'heir' for his birthright...
I don't think DNA tests were around in the 1910s.
@@cerealfibre6938 Yes. That's why Patrick Gordon would have to be 102 years old.
Great idea!
Well the Crawleys did lose it all in the end, so he would’ve just claimed debt.
Patrick Crawley was close to his family if he was the real deal they would have recognized him even if his face was disfigured. The man is an imposter. Edith is desperate as usual
I think the writers did resolve the storyline, but it was only hinted at so that we would still enjoy the drama. He is Peter Gordon. When he and Edith were talking about the investigation into Peter Gordon he remarked, "what if he joined princess pat's infantry"? He knew that they would've found that to be true. This was the writers' hint that he wasn't Patrick. But, this did make us wonder whether Matthew would still be the heir since, at this point in the story, we weren't sure if he was capable of having children. So, the storyline had a purpose. It's interesting often for us to keep pondering it!
How could he be Peter Gordon who was British and immigrated to Quebec in 1913. Peter would sounded British with a hint of French-Canadian not Canadian from an English-speaking Canadian province.
`However, he was someone who knew the story from somewhere, they thought Peter Gordon because he used the last name Gordon. But Robert told his lawyer not to follow up the investigation on Peter Gordon.
The only thing I like about this episode was that it confirmed that Edith was right all along that Patrick knew she, not Mary, really loved him. The only way that this con man could hv known to say "it was really you that loved me" is if the real Patrick told this guy about Edith. Poor Edith but she got it right in the end.
He’s fake
I think more it was she was the one who believed him, so he latched onto her.
I don't recall Edith ever saying Patrick knew she loved him. (?) She says she didn't think he did in one of these scenes.
@@harringt100 Fake Patrick told her Patrick knew. Since it sees he got his info from knowing the real Patick, maybe the real Patrick told him. Or maybe not. Maybe just a good guess he had.
I love how the beginning piano music gave off such an eerie vibe. An eerie and creepy vibe for a creepy character
That action with his finger crossing his mouth was brilliant. He should get an academy award for that. Sooooooo 6 years in Canada would "wipe out" all traces of a British accent, eh?
I have no doubt that this man is an impostor but I wonder what James and Patrick were like. It's a shame we never got to see them, even if their deaths are what got the plot rolling.
And everyone seemed to get over their deaths quite easily
I was watching this episode last night and the only thing I liked about it was we the audience, got to see that Edith did love Patrick. And she had feelings for him which added depth to her character. Unlike Mary who was horrified at the though of Patrick coming back. As she never loved him and was only going to marry him if something better didn't come along. Which in turn led to Edith being nasty and jealous of Mary in the years before the war.
Yeah, in the first episode Edith cried for her cousin, whereas Mary complained to having to wear black for mourning
@@vilwarin5635 Mary didn't complain about being in mourning. But She did not want to mourn as his fiancé.
Yeah, it provided an explanation for why she might resent Mary and also showed the downsides of a system which would marry people based on their status and position, not feelings or compatability. Imagine if Patrick hadn't died. Would have been bad for Edith and even worse for Mary (who would have no chance to get over it and find someone else).
It was soo obvious he was a fake. Had he been the true Patrick the heir of Grantham, he would have gone straight to Robert the moment he "recovered" his memory. and made sure he was recognised. He chose the weaker link to try his story out. And the accent! I know people who have lived in the USA for 30 years and have not lost their accent. Peter Gordon finds out that Downton is a convalescence home and the idea seemed brilliant to him. But as he himself said in the letter. It was too difficult ! He only fooled Edith.
He said he did not recover any memory until he was hurt in the war. Often it takes something traumatic for an amnesiac to recover memory.
Signs that show that Patrick as a fraud:
1. This patrick didn't go to the appropriate person to reveal himself. If he was the real patrick he would have gone straight to Lord Grantham, instead he went to Edith who was more impressionable and easier to convince as an attempt to wiggle his way in.
2: He states he has no memory and that all he knew was he was a canadian but a persons accent doesn't change even with amnesia, its too ingrained inside the human mind to be removed.
3. He said that when the explosion happened everything came flooding back but a minute later he asks Edith about mary, did I love her very much? If he remembered everything, then he would have remembered the feelings he had for Mary and wouldn't need to ask Edith. He was manipulating Ediths emotions so that it would give him more leverage to work on and so that he could explot her memories to make it seem like he was the real Patrick.
4. When talking about the governness he is talking only in general terms and when Edith gives him information he builds and fabricates to further cement his lie. This patrick doesn't have specific memories, he has to borrow from Edith and others to make himself appear genuine.
5. Once he realized that his story wasn't getting believed, he decided to leave that in itself causes suspicion. If he was the real patrick he wouldn't leave because he knows Downton is his home and he would fight tooth and nail to secure what he has lost. By the end of the episode this Patrick hasn't gained any influence other than Edith and he realized that her weight alone can't secure the claim he is making so he decides to leave because he realizes his word and mannerisms going to be enough to sway the rest of the family.
The guy was such scum, using the history and mannerisms of your dead friend so you can steal from his family and get ahead? The man got what he deserved.
I actually thought this was a neat plot twist, but I was hoping it might come back around somehow and resolve a little more definitively.
This "Patrick" doesn't know ANY of them. He's gleaning from all the clues they're giving him, especially Edith.
I think the fact that there will always be a small doubt regarding his true identity is a brilliant plot. Much like life, it is often so hard to be exactly certain about things. Therefore when we are making big decisions that impact lots of people's lives we must always consider and be able to bear the consequences of that small 'what if'. I don't think Edith was stupid, she was just more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, and her kind heart was taken advantage of (which unfortunately is also often the reality of how kind-hearted people end up giving up).
I'm sorry but I hated this storyline, it was a waste of time. Felt like they just ran out of ideas and made up "drama"
I agree. It never got resolved, either, which really bugged me.
@@nina1522 exactly!
i really wish that this had went somewhere it would've been a cool turn for the show
Meet too, that’s why I’m here thinking I missed something 🤔
This storyline reminded me of Anna Anderson claiming to be Anastasia Romanov for the title and money she would obtain. Same sort of thing here if this "Patrick" was in fact a fraud. It looks like I'm one of the only few who liked not knowing if he truly was Patrick or not haha
Closure in a story line is good. Don't want him popping up later to contest Mary's inheritance after Matthew dies.
@@brendadeatherage4543 LOL I was expecting him to come back like this too! I'm not going to lie, i wish he did just to see the chaos or him getting owned by Violet or something
For the entire remainder of the series, I expected hime to return somehow. It seems a storyline that never really got off the ground. What was the point?
Damn there really isn't no limit to Edith's desperation and gullible nature. If a bird spoke and said he was the real Patrick, she would have believed him.
For Edith to be so emotionally vulnerable in this way just goes to show how badly her family neglected her in childhood.
In this whole great series this is the one storyline that I thought was a misstep. I always thought this plot twist disappeared quickly because the producers realized it didn't come off too well. One of those ideas that probably looked good on paper, but just didn't work once it was transferred to film.
He never really was Patrick.
Please do a similar video for Edward Courtenay and Thomas Barrow, plus the aftermath of how it affected poor Thomas. Edward and Thomas deserved so much more.
I don’t understand the point of putting this guy in and never resolving it. The accent thing can happen irl after head trauma so it’s possible he was the real Patrick. I just wish they’d closed the story.
It really does amaze me that so many people knew for certain he was 100% a fraud, perhaps he was, but for me it does smack of many people see him as 'Creepy and Unlikable'?
There was so much that spoke for him and so much that spoke against him being the real Patrick. The open ending was a bit frustrating, but that's real life. we'll never know.....ever....
Yeah, I believe he was a fraud.
He was a fraud, says so in the script books
4:41 "Patrick" really pulls out all the stops here, doesn't he? Then feigns innocence when Robert asks him where he learned to "do that", and "Patrick" says "What?" (He didn't do the finger on mouth gesture ONCE in all the time he spent with Edith.)
SafeSpaceInc my question is how would he know to that at all, let alone pull it out for Robert?
@@MsNoelia18 He apparently "knew" Patrick, and this "quirk" of Patrick's was witnessed by him. He was pulling out "all the stops" for Robert to "convince" him he was Patrick, yet he didn't do this ONCE with Edith. His entire "story" and accent (or lack thereof) is like "swiss cheese". Despicable.
How do You know the Real Patrick did that? I dont remember that :/
@@scarlettohara7862 Robert knew that Patrick made that gesture with his finger.
@@SafeSpaceInc You've said that in Your previoust comment.
I dont remember that from the serie. When do we see the Real Patrick doing this?
7:33 yeah, fraud-boy, THAT'S gonna convince them you're Patrick.
@Peachy-Weachy Solomita That's very generous of you, but i suspect that this guy had as much PTSD as a snake. He left awfully fast, don't'cha think?
I'm a yank. Had a LOT of people convinced I was from Australia when I went there.
@Peachy-Weachy Solomita Yep.
7:33 Look at Sybil's face.
I liked this storyline but even so it had issues. Such time away doesn't necessarily mean you lose a prominent accent especially of the land of your birth and upbringing. Second, just take the bandages off, yes your face is melted but I'm sure you look semi-identifiable, it's not like the cut off your nose or something like that. Thirdly, it had no true conclusion and so yes it was just drama for drama's sake. It would have been interesting for sure to see the ending. But still....I liked the story line. All the same, though in my verdict the man is in fact a fraud. Why approach one of the daughters first? If you are you who you say you are, then frankly you should have no issue addressing the head of the house first. As for the gesture, it is simply learned through observation of anyone that is not hard to do. And he largely kept company with Edith which to a malleable mind, it can be made very convincing even if a fraud. However, all the same, Mary again shows her colors rather than submit that she may lose her position, oh heavens no! He's a fraud outright. Really she protects her own self-interest. Nothing more.
This reminds me the story ove Anna Anderson. But I'm agree with you. Except for the fraud part. It is free of interpretation, of course. I think he’s just a man with amnesia, traumatized by war. But all this is for Edith’s character, even though I’m not sure if it served any purpose...
Edith was so desperate for a man she was willing to take a man horribly disfigured.
@@rocketmom60 I wouldn't exactly say so much desperate but I can see where your stance comes from. I'd argue more compassionate and even hopeful Patrick is still alive but her naivete at this point does show she is still quite possibly gullible.
Gary oldman was actually forced to take some accent lessons because he lost his native one playing foreigners in films so. You actually can lost Your Accent
Christopher Diaz - You're right - I wonder if Julian Fellowes realised that accents don't change much beyond puberty. That's when the brain is pretty much hard-wired linguistically (I'm a speech-language pathologist professionally). I emigrated down under from the UK with a 15 year old and a 9 year old. The older one still has his English accent, although now in his 30s and the younger one sounds like a native!
Where is he accent? He lose that too along with his memory?
Chrissy Knows It All Canadian and American accents sound the same except for some words.
@@hummingnectarbird that is absolutely not so. That's like saying all British accents sound the same.
Caesar316 That’s is absolutely not true and I am not saying both countries are the same, but I would say that Canadians have no British accents and their accents are closer, in sound, to Northern Americans. Canadians sound quite similar except in pronunciation of some words. For example, when the sentences has the letters “out”, Canadians are likely to pronounce it as “ oot”, “about” as “aboot”. There are many different inflections between the two, but in essence, they sound quite similar. That’s what I mean.
Patrick Crawley is British, but the guy says he lost his accent due to living in Canada.
For what it's worth in fiction, i've read of accounts where people wake up from comas with entirely different accents. Can't know if the writers intended to bring him back for drama if not for Matthew's departure.
I always wonder how Patrick looked. But I can't remeber that I ever saw a picture of him... And that leaves you unabel to jugde if it's the real patrick or not.
judge
I believed him, but only because I wanted Edith to be happy, still slightly bitter it was never resolved. I hope with her newfound wealth and status she could find out for herself, if only for her peace of mind.
This was the most unnecessary storyline, it came out of nowhere and they never resolved it
this episode messed me up, you have no idea! :(
Same, they made me think this would be a part of the storyline till the show ends but nope 😩
Probably the most disliked storyline of the entire show, judging by the comments here and elsewhere :P
For all of Fellowes's brilliance with this series, this storyline was ridiculous.
They should have paid more attention to the Edith and given her something more to do growing up. She was so cast aside and nobody paid special attention to her that she ends up falling in love with any bloke who doesn’t outright reject her.
Once she has her baby and lives through trying to keep her daughter with her without her dad, I think that’s when she develops some healthy self esteem and is able to receive true and pure love from that other guy whose name I can’t remember.
He is SUCH a fraud.
You do what the upper classes always do and dismiss anyone who is "inconvenient". How do you know he's a fraud? How could you possibly know?
Rhys Hoffman Patrick Crawley in the sinking of the RMS Titanic
So they hired Freddy Krueger for the Patrick Crawley role? ofcourse this is a cruel fraud. Downton should be happy that he left.
🤣
Mary should have talked to him .. She might have been able to determine if he was legit or not .. How do you go from having a posh British accent to sounding "Canadian" in 6 years ?
Mary is the sensible sister. She knows he was a fraud from a distance
Mary probably would have seen though him. The only thing Edith that can come with up is that the fact they never found his body. They didn’t find lots of bodies
It's very clear to me the guy was an imposter, not sure why people are saying they left this storyline unresolved.
This storyline should have stayed under the boulder next to the undersea pineapple where it belonged.
Lmao nice spongebob reference😂
LOL!
If it had "all come back" to him, and he knew who he was, why didn't he remember that he was engaged to Mary?
Stella Z this is so true!! I was already thinking that he was a fraud but this basically confirms it. Because Mary and Patrick’s engagement was kept private (which is why Mary did not go into mourning during the first episode of the serious) the “fake” Patrick wouldn’t know this fact. This is a brilliant comment and point!
Thank you
Personally I’m glad they never followed up with this storyline, it wasn’t very well written and was so overly melodramatic. And anyway, in my opinion he was absolutely a con-artist, so the whole thing needn’t have gone on any longer. If he’d been the real Patrick he would have stayed and made his case. This guy knew he’d lost and got the hell out of dodge.
Why did sign that note to Edith with the last name "Gordon" and just an initial "P" if he told her he's "Patrick"?
In the story he gave her he took on the name Gordon off a tin can or something when he lost his “true” identity. So it could either interpreted as an admission of being a fraud or falling back on that other persona because he recognized there was no longer any space for “Patrick” in the family. The whole storyline was rly vague.
he was admitting to Edith that he was Peter Gordon and, thus, a fraud.
How can you sound Canadian? When you spend your whole life speaking with a British accent? I don't believe this guy.
he really reminds me like freddy krueger in disguise
7:34 the way the other soldier looks at him.
My thoughts exactly, soldier.
what was the big deal about the movement "Patrick Gordon" makes before Lord Grantham says "Where did you learn to do that?" . That sort of implies its a movement that "Patrick Crawley" did much like the stupid tongue movement of Crouch Jr could do in the Harry Potter and Goblet of Fire movie?
I wonder that too. What was the story behind it
In Season 2, Episode 3 at minute 20:28 you will notice Lady Mary make the EXACT same hand movement when she says the lines to Matthew “No Names, No pack drill”
Although never explained, the hand movement seems unique to the Crawley family or maybe just Mary, since Patrick was really close with their family it would make sense he would have picked that up. This would explain Robert’s bewilderment when he saw this strange man do a movement that no one knows outside the family. It’s a very obscure and subtle detail
My take on this story line was that he could be a Crowley but knew he would never be accepted OR he was a fraud who ran when things got too hot.
If the hand gesture was a habit of the real Patrick it would not have only occurred once, conveniently only in front of Robert. But it is so obvious that he is doing it deliberately that one time to try and convince Robert that he is Patrick.
As much as this fraudulent attempt of identity theft enrages you, one can't help but feel compassion for the man. I mean, what does he have left? His face is gone, his hands are impaired, there's literally nothing for him to go back to , no future job or life ect to look forward to. And since the man, whose identity he tried to assume, is most likely dead, he saw no real harm in it. The family would've gotten a lost loved one back and he a place to life for the rest of his days. Back then there was no social net to catch you. It was lying or the poorhouse for him.
I'm not justifying his actions,mind you.
But I understand them.
He deserves sympathy, and pity. He's a man utterly destroyed, reaching out for one last chance.
I'd just tell him "It doesn't matter if you Patrick Crawley or not, you will be cared for. You have a place to be."
I think people are judging this storyline too harshly. For instance, the accent thing. Sure amnesia doesn't erase your accent. But if he was so traumatized that he had to be retaught how to walk and talk, which is possible, he might then have adopted the accent of his (Canadian) doctor.
I'm not saying he isn't a fraud; he wouldn't have run off without warning if he were genuine; but his story isn't quite as implausible as people seem to think.
Also, you're all discounting another possibility. What if he's delusional? Maybe he knew the real Patrick and the blow to the head plus war trauma caused him to BELIEVE he was Patrick.
People should focus more on the timeline which is what is heavily focused on. Who cares if he had amnesia or not, the true value of the story is the timing. Not everything adds up especially on the way the story is played, it's tricky but if you analyze it, the burn is the emphasis of the truth and when it "happened". The true mystery is the identification of the rescue boat in the ship wreck. The lie lies upon the story he tells of what happened and the one of the rescue boat which Lord Grantham got proof of too. He was unidentified in the rescue I suppose because he couldn't remember anything? Or maybe the way he looked? Those can't possibly be from war, they're too fresh to be that scarred, even months of care can help after that degree of burn, especially in that time, I mean look at that. I think the fraud was burned before the war and just so happened to join the war. Unless he has healed enough to be released, which would be months to a year or more. I mean Its not clear but you can see through it though.
I think if it were me i would mention more stuff that only they would know. He just sat there and did nothing but test the waters with Lady Edith who's not "gullible" but more compassionate according to what I think the real Patrick would have mentioned from Edith, so he took a shot with her. He would've tried to convince Mary by saying stuff that only Mary and Patrick knew like secrets or something, they are/were fiancées after all. And how do you just identify someone as Canadian if you don't know how they speak, that's where the amnesia speech argument comes in. Unless Patrick is actually alive and his amnesia is permanent and he took his story
My theory is that he is taking Patrick's story, I believe he did survive with him and did suffer amnesia and as he regained memory he told him everything OR he already knew him before as a colleague or friend and took the opportunity of his lifetime to take advantage of his annesia and label him as Canadian like him, killed him eventually and take the life he always wanted. This fraud found his golden ticket and killed him maybe.
The real question is why did the fraud wait this long to approach, maybe in a vulnerable time or maybe war will be over soon judging by his fresh wounds (not the scars)? And not a lot of action is happening in the front?
When was he truly burned, in the accident or the war? If it was in the accident his story adds up, if it was in war then how couldn't they identify a royalty in the wreck? His father was like Mr Grantham I suppose, Downton is even recognized by the Queen i mean how difficult can identification be. He got burned but they would recognize his posture, back of head, hair color maybe or shoe size. He would have something, they know him his whole life no? Idk, so many theories, rant over.
I wonder how his storyline would've played if Downton Abbey had been renewed.
I always felt bad for him, people don't like him because of how he looks, or how he is, but war does that to people.
Whatever happened to shouty, melty-faced 'Patrick' anyway?
LOL!
Can I just say hats off to the makeup department on this character?
If it was the real Patrick, he never would've left. But this guy left the moment he heard that there would be investigations, meaning he knew he'd be exposed as a fraud and wanted to avoid punishment. Also, if he was Patrick, he never would've signed the note to Edith as "P. Gordon," since Edith believed it was really him. He signed it "Gordon" to let her know that he was indeed a fraud and she shouldn't have believed him. And another thing: aside from the family mentioning that Patrick was a kind and likable guy, we don't know anything else about his personality. For all we know, he could've been a far too gullible and trusting person like Edith; this man here was most likely somebody who Patrick met, befriended, and told a bunch of details about his life, never once realizing that the guy might want to use that information to steal his inheritance. And finally, the fact that Edith is the only one who this guy knows by name, even though the real Patrick was literally engaged to Mary and would've mentioned that, indicates that Edith was the only person Patrick would talk about in detail to this guy. So, if nothing else, this storyline reveals that the real Patrick did in fact love Edith back.
accents don't just go away after 6 years
Was that sign language that “Patrick” was doing? At 4:40 ? I feel like that clue was intentional
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language
I just remembered this was never settled!
Grown men don't typically just change their accent completely after a few years. I can't believe they even considered the possibility.
Dumb sidetrack if it were to have no resolution yea or nay. Since there was nothing to come of it in the series, audience is to conclude is was a trailing bit of nothing.
Edith is so desperate for a man in the first seasons, it was actually annoying.
Its a pity we never learnt the truth. Although the fact that he leaves, indicates that he was a fraud boy. But still it was very confusing. Probably we will never find out, even if a second movie comes out.
Its basically established he was a fraud
What was the man doing from 4:40-4:44? What did the gesture mean?
I'm asking myself the same question
He must have known the real Patrick and copied the gesture from him.
@@amsaric well Yes but I was wondering were do we see/learn that the Real Patrick did that because for me this is not something that regular people do with their hands... This is weird. When I saw that I thought that he was insane. The Real Patrick wasnt so I Just dont understand why he would ever do that
@@scarlettohara7862 It appears to be a sign for 'my lips are sealed (crossed)' ie I will be discrete as you (Lord Grantham) have requested while you check out the story I have given you.
Perhaps he (assuming he is Patrick) always did that when he was asked to keep a secret. Lord Grantham recognizes the sign but Patrick doesn't even realize he has done it because it came naturally to him...
if everything supposedly flooded back to him when he got his memory back then surely he would have remembered things from their childhood that the other family members would have been there for. not just some vague stuff like first names or obvious cold reading. like even the stories the real patrick told him, they could have asked for details like weather or what someone was wearing. those details would have been left out from story telling but would be something a real person would remember.
He look like Brundle-Fly from the movie The Fly!!
This story didn’t even resolved. The season ends without the answer. I think he was an imposter because British accent don’t go away so he’s definitely an imposter
Back from a watery grave.
If he was the real Patrick he would have came with greedy lawyers and tangible facts that are easy to look up.
who is the actor who played that role....did he also play another role in the movie?
Whyyyy
No I don't believe that's Patrick Crawley. I haven't been able to watch all 6 seasons only bits and pieces on UA-cam. What I've seen of Edith the first few season she seems desperate to get a man.
@Downton Abbey - Would you consider telling us who it is now? It’s been a long time, and we’d really like to know.
this character seemed like he lept from downton to teen wolf series hahaha
Does anybody know the name of the background music playing ? . Thanks 😁
It might be
(Downton Abbey Soundtrack) Patrick
Can someone explain the hand movement Patrick did please x
It was probably a unique mannerism of the real Patrick.
What did Julian Fellows say about this story line?
Just need to make up something that didn't happen and when the imposter agrees that 'yeah i remember that' you got em red handed
I believe Wes Parmalee was Jock Ewing before I believe that Peter was Patrick.
In the end we will never know whether he was or wasn’t.
He didn't know or recognize anyone there except Edith, because the real Patrick only mentioned Edith by name. If he WAS Patrick, he would've known Robert, Mary (the woman he was literally engaged to), and Sybil. And he would've approached Robert first.
I love this
I had no idea of his true identity until he did that lip rubbing "maneuver"....obviously something he had seen the real Patrick doing. The accent thing is silly. My parents arrived from the UK when they were in their early twenties...by their seventies, their accents are still so thick that some Canadians assume that they are not speaking english.
This one of the things I hated in the show. Let's just bring up this thing and never ever talk about it again. I hate when shows do that.
this was by far the dumbest storyline on the show.
Edith is so desperate 🙄. Of course he is a fraud. Open your eyes woman!
Hated this story line. A bit absurd and also hated this guy. His voice made me want to puke.
7:35
Edith was always so desperate for a man.
@@carterscousins4992 we didn’t know her as a child 🙂
@@carterscousins4992 I was not talking about Edith as a child. I’m talking about when we knew her on the show … which was in her adult life. 🙂
They obvious would have recognized him even with his disfigurement.