I love how as soon as Bashir tells her that Sisko can’t override him, Kira gets very scared and tries to bargain. As soon as she realized she can’t pull rank, she knew she was fucked.
But then Bashir had to go and be genetically augmented, another Khan, no wonder he died at the end, better that than being anothar intergalactic Fugitive always on the run.
I like how Bashir's face changes when he hears Kira's uncharacteristic dismissal of the colonists and he swaps from "I need to get this project done on time" to "Doctor says sit the f down"
Diagnosis: Extreme stress and borderline exhaustion resulting from an overloaded work schedule Proscribed treatment: Patient is to get hammered at a bar, eat candy, gamble on the station's dime, and engage in turbo-VR porn. I see the McCoy school of medicine is still strong in Starfleet.
There is actually a certain logic to it: Kira's a workaholic. She does demonstrate throughout the show that she is a driven person who will keep doing more, even if it's unnecessary. Just telling her to relax is pointless, because she'll just find something else to do. It has to be structured. It's also partly why she's religious and finds value in spirituality, as the practices of her religion (meditation, pilgrimages to monasteries and the like) provide similarly structured alternatives to work for her.
"My cap'n was the best rested and sharpest in all the fleet, you know why?" "Because he followed standard immunisatio-" "BECAUSE HE FUCKED, LASSIE. HE FUUUUUUCKED"
I love how he's more concerned for her well being than mad about the colony schedule. Also the fact they were a couple behind the scenes makes this even funnier.
The best scene is where Kira is pregnant with the O'Briens baby, because Bashir had to place the baby inside her afyer Keiko was injured. Kira turns to Bashir, while holding her belly, and yells at him and states that her condition is all his fault. My wife was watching that episode with me, and I explained to her that they were a couple and it was his baby IRL, and she busted out laughing so hard.
I could just see Quark telling her "You know. if you want to leave early....for a slip of latinum I'll lie to Dr. Bashir and tell him you had a blast!"
It's possible Quark was either sending the bill to the Infirmary or was letting all this be free because he, like almost everyone else on that station since the Occupation ended, wanted to give Kira what she deserved for going nuclear for no damn reason. Kira reminds me way too much of my mother, actually. That just makes her more terrifying...
This is pretty much why Bashir is my top favorite Star Trek doctor. He's got the compassion of Crusher, but if he has to, he will summon the "don't @#$% with me" of McCoy.
I love DS9 (my favorite series) and Bashir was great, but the EMH from Voyager is hands-down the best doctor in ST. Bashir and Phlox are a close second tho.
You know Quark had to look at this situation and think to himself "FINALLY! She HAS to enjoy herself at my establishment! Thank the Blessed Exchequer!"
Can I just point out how utterly PHENOMENAL the acting in this scene is? Kira's eyes blaze through frustration, then when Julian calls her out, they're enraged. Then when he asks his question, she is confused. Then after he overrules her, she's contemptuous, until he explains just what he's done. Then her eyes go to vaguely panicked, and then deceitful in an attempt to trick Julian into thinking she's okay. All that is said with her eyes alone. THAT is acting, people. It's not just the voice and the words, it's the stance, the eyes, the expression on your face that sells the act.
Scenes like this should be shown as examples in acting classes as its becoming something of a lost art replaced more and more with camera angles and edgy lighting.
Indeed, the acting was brilliant in this show. Another good example is the "Yeah Damar, who gives those sorts of orders" line. There's an entire conversation between Damar and Kira in the moments afterwards, without a single word spoken.
100% agree, I will point out though the way Kira speaks aswell does matter. That tremble and pause as she bites her own tongue and the forced smile before she says " Now wait a minuet Julian " note Julian, not Doctor Bashir shes trying to get him to lower his guard by being friendly using his first name. But Julian knows shes a fighter she will fight so he does not give her the chance.And Kira knows hes to smart to trick thats why she sighs before following.
@@shawnchong5196 That's not an acting issue, that's a writing episode. It takes quite a lot of acting chops to get that emotional. The problem is Star Trek Discovery is always in galaxy-ending situations with dear friends dying all over the place. The writers never give Burnham enough day-in-the-life scenes to establish a baseline, so Burnham seems like she's always emotional even when her reactions are relatively proportionate to her environment. Deep Space Nine was great at establishing that the characters had mundane lives. With a 2 minute scene they could paint a world of background characters and hobbies they didn't have the budget to show. The longer seasons definitely helped, but Strange New Worlds is making good use of the time it has.
If it's any consolation, most of us fall in love with fictional people and then have to make do with the people they turned out to be after we married them.
This shows some of the first signs of Bashir growing into his role and responsibilities as CMO. Rather than just arguing or sulking about the runabout he handles the situation well which results in the colonists obtaining their vital medical supplies and the station's effective First Officer regaining her equilibrium. Kira was always a very fiesty character and this sometimes caused her to act recklessly and make bad judgement calls. Bashir was always a good counterbalance to her character.
Just background dialogue, not answered in this episode, not mentioned in any other. This episode wasn't about Bashir, it was about Riker stealing the show.
So, when I'm feeling overworked and need some time off, irrationally snap at the medical officer. Will keep that in my bag of tricks. Maybe this deployment won't be so bad after all.
Ooooh... Careful with that. Do that too often, or snap hard enough, and you won't like the results. You could easily find yourself dishonorably discharged, and/or find yourself in prison or an asylum.
@@nicholasbenge2596 Certainly, but also remember that he runs an establishment dedicated to providing enjoyment for others. And the doctor just prescribed his services.
This is why Starfleet CMO's are scary, yet badass! They have that: "I don't give a damn if you outrank me. If you are medically unfit, you're off duty until I say otherwise!"
High-performance high-expectation high-stress environment. Starfleet people always pushing themselves harder. No wonder they all become evil insane megalomaniacs by the time they make Admiral. I think the only reason their workforce doesn't have high suicide rates (like those in Japan or China) is that they're constantly surrounded by counsellors and doctors who have absolute ultimate authority to reprogram, medicate, or demote on the spot.
Is that really so special? In the German military an medical officer also outranks in medical question other officers who are not medical staff. And iirc thats true for every specialized branch in the German military.
Kira was later found sleeping inside a maintenance tube after causing a drunken bar fight, assaulting a dabo girl, and breaking a Ferengi’s ear bone. She’s on extended leave now.
Dr. Crusher did this to Captain Picard a couple of times. The Holographic Doctor has relieved Captain Janeway a couple of times too. He stated that in Starfleet regulations, the Chief Medical Officer outranks the Captain in health matters. If the CMO finds any officer including the Commanding Officer unfit for duty, the CMO can relieve that officer on that basis.
***** The problem was that many Bajorans came to view themselves as victims. Despite their mistreatment at the hands of the Cardassians, they were nonetheless dependent on them for food and shelter, even if it wasn't much. Once they left, most Bajorans didn't really know what to do without being told. They rely on the Federation to provide for them in the same way they had relied on the Cardassians. It's true that the Cardassians left Bajor barren and stripped of resources, and that puts then in a difficult situation, but it doesn't excuse the attitudes of many Bajorans.
It's ironic that in the pilot of DS9, Kira said to Sisko that she thought that the Federation had no business there, but as it was just point out, they DID need them. Kira was so critical about the Federation and saying to Sisko that the Federation didn't like to get their hands dirty, and Sisko grabbed a piece of debris and threw it in the bin and then showed his hands to Kira to show dirty they got. Then, Kira complained to an Admiral behind Sisko's back saying she didn't approve of the way Sisko was handling matters, but the Admiral just told him about how unhappy she was that Kira interrupted a staff meeting and that Sisko had a problem (meaning Kira). I loved the way Sisko confronted Kira on that. "Go over my head again, and I'll have yours on a platter." Whoo, man! You do not want to piss off Sisko.
Oh yeah...I think there was the time where Kirk was aging, and of course, Kirk thought he still had all his mental faculties. Bones had to relieve him. You could see how hard it was for him to do it, and Kirk was naturally outraged accusing his senior officers of mutiny...feeling betrayed. Painful to watch. DeForest Kelley was such a wonderful actor.
+Andy Wilderness Hardly "irrational religious zealots" when the gods they worshipped were real, had real power, and took a detached but persistent interest in Bajor. Don't forget, the Bajoran Prophets saved the Alpha Quadrant that one time when they deleted the Dominion reinforcements. I don't think it's particularly irrational to revere that kind of entity -- maybe a little primitive, but hardly irrational.
bashir: now, either you use these things or i will tie down and make you. kira: is that a promise? bashir: only if you...........force my hand. kira: i think i might have to, you.........handsome doctor bastard. director: CUT! someone get the damn hose! nina and Alex are at it again!
It seems that behind every tough as nails Star Trek protagonist, there's an irritated doctor forcing them to go on vacation. Could've been worse. Could've been Risa. That place is even skeevier than Quark's, it just looks a lot nicer.
There is a good reason though. If the Captain or Commanding Officer is unfit for duty, physically or mentally, they might not want to give up command. The Chief Medical Officer in Starfleet was given this power for safety.
So who decides when an overworked, stressed out, "unfit for duty" CMO needs to be forcefully relieved? Assigning this ultimate authority to the one person who can't be subordinated by it seems unwise and "unsafe" to me, lol. Risa can't be any skeeiver than one of Quark's holosuites, lol.
@@pwnmeisterage If the CMO is unfit for duty and relieving people you're in a bad situation. It'd probably end up as a full on investigation by Starfleet authorities.
I have always liked that star trek including this 'loophole' in command structure. Anyone can be removed from active duty, even the top ranking officers, but they are not replaced by the one removing them from duty. its not perfect, but it is a balancing feature to the federation command structure
i dont think its a "loophole" the US navy im pretty sure also follows this rule. there would be more red tape than just say "bashir or crusher says so" like in star trek, but its a proper thing.
I love the face that Kira makes when Bashir straight up tells her that his ruling is the law of the land. Like, if he says so, she has no way of getting out of it.
Yup, he did. I don't think Kira would have risked saying "no" again once she realised he had the "Ace card". Ultimately the Chief Medical Officer can override even an Admiral on medical grounds. Effectively the CMO is the ultimate commander in a military organisation - though they keep out of command situations unless absolutely necessary to intervene.
Not really, ultimate commander. They can't veto any deployments. They can't initiate troop deployments. They have no say what-so-ever over how the military is run. They maybe able to dictate what supplies maybe needed in soldier's backpacks, they maybe able to dictate who can return to duty after being injured, they maybe able to relieve a soldier on medical grounds, but that's it. Very limited scope. It's the President, Prime Minister, or Monarch that are the ultimate commanders of military.
@@Locutus I think the point is they could theoretically extort anything they wanted of the people who nominally make those decisions by the threat of removal from command. But of course most people in most organizations would not go along with that - which is basically the rule that governs any "authority" in ANY social structure in humanity :)
@@DarkLordDiablos Its the 'Ace' they can only play on medical grounds, the rest of the time they follow orders just like everyone else. So, its an 'Ace' with limited scope aha.
As far as Starfleet is concerned, it depends on the writer. McCoy couldn't get Decker removed even when his (understandable) mental unbalance got noticeable. Spock had to remove him and send him to Sickbay for a medical evaluation (where he never arrived because no one sent to Sickbay or the brig ever gets there -- Starfleet employs the honor system in its handling of the unstable and the criminal elements.)
Actually, a jumja stick is some sort of Bajoran taffy on a stick, or some other sweet hard candy. They reference it often enough that you get to know what it is.
Its wierd how progression of learning to understand the language goes. When I watched DS9 in my early teens - I had no idea that the characters had accents. o_O
I wish I could find the clip that has her getting bombarded in Ops just before she comes to sickbay. Every person that is in charge at a job can relate.
The thing is, though, this is not the first or last time she behaved that way. To be honest, it took a *very, very* long time for me to warm up to her, and that's because of her attitude.
@@dalemcilwain Hm, her Starfleet rank was Commander when she was cross-commissioned from being a Bajoran Colonel, so that implies Major was like a Lieutenant Commander. On the other hand the next highest Bajoran rank we ever see is General which is obviously equivalent to Starfleet Admiral. So it's gotta be one of: 1) There are two Colonel grades on Bajor, the higher is equivalent to Captain and the lower is what Kira got promoted to. 2) There's an unknown additional Bajoran rank between Colonel and General that we never see. 3) The lowest-tier General rank is Captain-equivalent. 4) Kira's Starfleet commission was a demotion.
Ohhh no! 'In times of war the law falls silent - Cicero. So is that what we have become? A 24th century Rome, driven by nothing other than the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong!?' Bashir shouting at an Admiral...savage!
@@jerodast true! I love when she shouts at him and blames him for her having Keiko's baby when it was Keiko's fault, especially when they are dating by that point!
Yeah I always think of that too haha. If you're gonna watch Star Trek you have to accept that distance and speed of travel in the Alpha Quadrant is not so much movement in a straight line over a measurable span, and more of a Warpy-Dorpy ball...
I just heard someone say in a Trek FB group that Trek "glorifies workaholism." how timely that this clip showed up in my recommended videos. As far as I can remember, the chief medical officer always forces people to relax when they're overworked!
That point of introspection at the end for Kira where she is realizing the difference in the Federation and Cardassians. Up until then, they had only differed in name as far as she was concerned.
One of Dr Bashirs finest moments. Exactly what someone like Kira needs at a time like that. I know a Kira but I'm not chief medical officer unfortunatly.
RedFenril in medical matters the CMO of ships and stations outrank that posts CO, this is to stop CO's from overworking their staff and themselves, thus it answers a "who watches the watchers" sort of question
In other words, he has that authority in order to make sure that exactly what just happened doesn't happen a lot more often. Kira is a former freedom fighter, used to having to be in action mode every hour of the day. It's a tribute to how well they crafted these characters that she would have problems adjusting to not needing to be in duty-mode all the time.
Kira was always nice to Julilian. It was not her to snap on him. Did you know Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir) & Nana Visitor (Major Kira) were actually married for 4 years.
Yeah, we're definitely in the Dark Times of history. If things keep going the way they are without recourse, we won't have a future like DS9. Seems like a fitting fantasy anyway - being over stressed and over worked gets you time off until your heads in the right place again? I WISH!!
That’s weird.... So if he was scheduled to go help set up that field hospital, why didn’t Starfleet arrange for transportation for him? Why would he have to ask for a runabout?
I knew a Kira like one time.....ALWAYS at work until he almost had a heart attack and the doctor also made him take time off to relax. His idea of 'relaxing' during his time off was to organize his garage LOL
I fucking love the way he wipes that look off her face She forgot he's the chief medical officer, just because he's always quiet about how much authority his position has. Just because they're not part of your military, a prophet, or Sisco, doesn't mean you get of them as "weak civies". Take way more pleasure in watching her break down like that than I'm probably supposed to, rofl
She obviously didn't use the holosuite program. The first time she did was in the season 4 opener (way of the warrior)...of course we all remember Our man Bashir.
I truly believe that he was mentored by McCoy himself at one point. And as many here have stated, the CMO of a starship/station/facility has the right and ability to relieve any starfleet personnel regardless of rank if they are unfit for duty. Not even that person’s CO can override this judgement it’s the only person who can legally tell a higher up that they can’t work. However this is only if their unfit for a no. Of reasons. This is to ensure that the personnel are not under undue stress, both mental and physical. Like Dr McCoy, this is a medical officer u don’t want to be on their s**t list.
I wish the United States Navy Doctor's would have the same Authority to Do this can you imagine if the United States military Doctor's had this type of Authority Not Even Admiral or General could overrule their medical Authority
"And, now that she's out of the way, I'm gonna get my runabout."
Well Yes. But actually no.
kek
Damn changeling.
that's what I was thinking too 😂
Kira scarfs down the crackers and the jumja stick and is back at work in twenty minutes.
Also speedruns the holosuite program and gets rid of all the tokens in one intentionally lousy bet
I love this serie.
"you cant have runabout."
you gonna have a real bad day.
Nana is so great when Kira loses it.
everybody was kung foo fighting those kicks were fast as Lightning
I love how as soon as Bashir tells her that Sisko can’t override him, Kira gets very scared and tries to bargain. As soon as she realized she can’t pull rank, she knew she was fucked.
Kira, have a Snickers.
your not yourself when your hungry
i can't speak english? fuck me then
Trevor Kent you're not you when you're hungry Snickers satisfies PS everybody was kung foo fighting those kicks were fast as Lightning
Captain Picard was another one that was hard to get the take a vacation
But then Bashir had to go and be genetically augmented, another Khan, no wonder he died at the end, better that than being anothar intergalactic Fugitive always on the run.
I like how Bashir's face changes when he hears Kira's uncharacteristic dismissal of the colonists and he swaps from "I need to get this project done on time" to "Doctor says sit the f down"
Diagnosis: Extreme stress and borderline exhaustion resulting from an overloaded work schedule
Proscribed treatment: Patient is to get hammered at a bar, eat candy, gamble on the station's dime, and engage in turbo-VR porn.
I see the McCoy school of medicine is still strong in Starfleet.
There is actually a certain logic to it: Kira's a workaholic. She does demonstrate throughout the show that she is a driven person who will keep doing more, even if it's unnecessary. Just telling her to relax is pointless, because she'll just find something else to do. It has to be structured.
It's also partly why she's religious and finds value in spirituality, as the practices of her religion (meditation, pilgrimages to monasteries and the like) provide similarly structured alternatives to work for her.
"My cap'n was the best rested and sharpest in all the fleet, you know why?"
"Because he followed standard immunisatio-"
"BECAUSE HE FUCKED, LASSIE. HE FUUUUUUCKED"
@@DavianJWolfe wait... is that a real qoute?? xD
I can imagine it being very popular if it was a real life pescription.
Marguns21 with McCoy, a Southern boy, anything is possible.
Starfleet Captains are legendary. Starfleet Engineers are miracle workers. Starfleet Doctors are terrifying.
+Stephen Conroy Especially in Prostate exams.
Really scary
"You wanna know just how fast I can put you in hospital?" - Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
Well put.
It could be worse. You can have a Klingon as your doctor.
I love how he's more concerned for her well being than mad about the colony schedule. Also the fact they were a couple behind the scenes makes this even funnier.
Yeah, you sure can see the chemistry between them.
The best scene is where Kira is pregnant with the O'Briens baby, because Bashir had to place the baby inside her afyer Keiko was injured. Kira turns to Bashir, while holding her belly, and yells at him and states that her condition is all his fault.
My wife was watching that episode with me, and I explained to her that they were a couple and it was his baby IRL, and she busted out laughing so hard.
they fell apart after they had a kid tho.
@@sanddagger36That’s sad. I am sad now. Why’d you have to ruin it? 😢
@@MisterPuck a quick google search would ruin it.
"Believe me, I will go to Quarks, and I _will_ have fun". - Kira
“YOU!” 🫵
@@octopodesrex "How did you do it?!"
You know how gleeful Quark had to have been knowing that he held Kira's sanity in his hands.
I could just see Quark telling her "You know. if you want to leave early....for a slip of latinum I'll lie to Dr. Bashir and tell him you had a blast!"
LMAO I could see quark doing that ?
@@JohnC-hj3dr except it would be at least a strip.
@@janehrahan5116 A bar more like!!!
It's possible Quark was either sending the bill to the Infirmary or was letting all this be free because he, like almost everyone else on that station since the Occupation ended, wanted to give Kira what she deserved for going nuclear for no damn reason.
Kira reminds me way too much of my mother, actually. That just makes her more terrifying...
This is pretty much why Bashir is my top favorite Star Trek doctor. He's got the compassion of Crusher, but if he has to, he will summon the "don't @#$% with me" of McCoy.
YAS
Need to give Quark a few points too. Not a single snide remark. His services were prescribed by the good doctor, and he was right on it.
I love DS9 (my favorite series) and Bashir was great, but the EMH from Voyager is hands-down the best doctor in ST. Bashir and Phlox are a close second tho.
And pulaski's sterness
Bashir is my favorite as well. I don't understand why so many people hate him.
"STOP RIGHT THERE MAJOR!"
"You've violated the law!"
This reminds me a sargent tackle a reservist general because he is too near and mesmorized by a helicopter.
@@armvex If the helicopter didn't have raised blades, I can see why. Quite a few people have been decapitated by the rotor blades on a helicopter.
You know Quark had to look at this situation and think to himself "FINALLY! She HAS to enjoy herself at my establishment! Thank the Blessed Exchequer!"
I think it’s more quark enjoys seeing her out of her element.
Can I just point out how utterly PHENOMENAL the acting in this scene is? Kira's eyes blaze through frustration, then when Julian calls her out, they're enraged. Then when he asks his question, she is confused. Then after he overrules her, she's contemptuous, until he explains just what he's done. Then her eyes go to vaguely panicked, and then deceitful in an attempt to trick Julian into thinking she's okay. All that is said with her eyes alone. THAT is acting, people. It's not just the voice and the words, it's the stance, the eyes, the expression on your face that sells the act.
Scenes like this should be shown as examples in acting classes as its becoming something of a lost art replaced more and more with camera angles and edgy lighting.
Indeed, the acting was brilliant in this show. Another good example is the "Yeah Damar, who gives those sorts of orders" line. There's an entire conversation between Damar and Kira in the moments afterwards, without a single word spoken.
100% agree, I will point out though the way Kira speaks aswell does matter. That tremble and pause as she bites her own tongue and the forced smile before she says " Now wait a minuet Julian " note Julian, not Doctor Bashir shes trying to get him to lower his guard by being friendly using his first name. But Julian knows shes a fighter she will fight so he does not give her the chance.And Kira knows hes to smart to trick thats why she sighs before following.
Burham crying is very emotional. STD is soooo good. (Sarcastic).
@@shawnchong5196 That's not an acting issue, that's a writing episode. It takes quite a lot of acting chops to get that emotional. The problem is Star Trek Discovery is always in galaxy-ending situations with dear friends dying all over the place. The writers never give Burnham enough day-in-the-life scenes to establish a baseline, so Burnham seems like she's always emotional even when her reactions are relatively proportionate to her environment.
Deep Space Nine was great at establishing that the characters had mundane lives. With a 2 minute scene they could paint a world of background characters and hobbies they didn't have the budget to show. The longer seasons definitely helped, but Strange New Worlds is making good use of the time it has.
Julian trying to be intimidating when he really just cares about his friend is adorable and oh no I think I'm in love with a fictional person.
If it's any consolation, most of us fall in love with fictional people and then have to make do with the people they turned out to be after we married them.
This shows some of the first signs of Bashir growing into his role and responsibilities as CMO. Rather than just arguing or sulking about the runabout he handles the situation well which results in the colonists obtaining their vital medical supplies and the station's effective First Officer regaining her equilibrium. Kira was always a very fiesty character and this sometimes caused her to act recklessly and make bad judgement calls. Bashir was always a good counterbalance to her character.
Did Bashir ever get his runabout?
Just background dialogue, not answered in this episode, not mentioned in any other.
This episode wasn't about Bashir, it was about Riker stealing the show.
@@pwnmeisterage AND its ship😆
Not to mention the actors were married for some time
@@salilbhatnagar One of their best moments is when a pregnant Kira tells Julian "Don't forget, this is your fault"
So, when I'm feeling overworked and need some time off, irrationally snap at the medical officer. Will keep that in my bag of tricks. Maybe this deployment won't be so bad after all.
Ooooh... Careful with that. Do that too often, or snap hard enough, and you won't like the results. You could easily find yourself dishonorably discharged, and/or find yourself in prison or an asylum.
Hi how did the deployment go did you try this?
@@pinkrose8272 Unfortunately Peter can't respond to comments too well after the lobotomy
I loved how Quark was in on JULIAN'S plan to make Kira relax
I'm sure Quark got something for it.
@@nicholasbenge2596 Certainly, but also remember that he runs an establishment dedicated to providing enjoyment for others. And the doctor just prescribed his services.
Kira almost NEVER visits Quark's. I'm sure he was more intrigued than anything.
any chance for prophet, oh yea....
Quark knows how high strung Kira is. He takes pleasure in seeing her out of her depth and having to relax.
Kira: I'm off duty? You can't do that!
Bashir: Oh yes I can.
Julian with the medical smackdown.
I love the look on her face when he hands her the jumja stick. It just screams, "I'd like to jam this right up your smug, medical - Hey, alcohol!"
This is why Starfleet CMO's are scary, yet badass! They have that: "I don't give a damn if you outrank me. If you are medically unfit, you're off duty until I say otherwise!"
High-performance high-expectation high-stress environment. Starfleet people always pushing themselves harder.
No wonder they all become evil insane megalomaniacs by the time they make Admiral. I think the only reason their workforce doesn't have high suicide rates (like those in Japan or China) is that they're constantly surrounded by counsellors and doctors who have absolute ultimate authority to reprogram, medicate, or demote on the spot.
Is that really so special? In the German military an medical officer also outranks in medical question other officers who are not medical staff. And iirc thats true for every specialized branch in the German military.
Daniel and the German military did something right for the first time since the HRE
Officially its called Regulation 121A and I love it...
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!!
Uhh, yes, Doctor. 😬
Kira was later found sleeping inside a maintenance tube after causing a drunken bar fight, assaulting a dabo girl, and breaking a Ferengi’s ear bone.
She’s on extended leave now.
"Dammit Kira! When I said have fun, I didn't mean destroy Quark's and put the poor man out of business!"
@@RaulSmith commander sisko is going to have a field day about this when he gets back
@@RaulSmith Quark never removed all his singing mugs, so she did go to quarks and she did have fun.
Dr. Crusher did this to Captain Picard a couple of times. The Holographic Doctor has relieved Captain Janeway a couple of times too. He stated that in Starfleet regulations, the Chief Medical Officer outranks the Captain in health matters. If the CMO finds any officer including the Commanding Officer unfit for duty, the CMO can relieve that officer on that basis.
***** During the Occupation, Bajorans didn't have time for fun, especially in the Resistance. They developed that way of life as a necessity.
***** The problem was that many Bajorans came to view themselves as victims. Despite their mistreatment at the hands of the Cardassians, they were nonetheless dependent on them for food and shelter, even if it wasn't much. Once they left, most Bajorans didn't really know what to do without being told. They rely on the Federation to provide for them in the same way they had relied on the Cardassians. It's true that the Cardassians left Bajor barren and stripped of resources, and that puts then in a difficult situation, but it doesn't excuse the attitudes of many Bajorans.
It's ironic that in the pilot of DS9, Kira said to Sisko that she thought that the Federation had no business there, but as it was just point out, they DID need them. Kira was so critical about the Federation and saying to Sisko that the Federation didn't like to get their hands dirty, and Sisko grabbed a piece of debris and threw it in the bin and then showed his hands to Kira to show dirty they got. Then, Kira complained to an Admiral behind Sisko's back saying she didn't approve of the way Sisko was handling matters, but the Admiral just told him about how unhappy she was that Kira interrupted a staff meeting and that Sisko had a problem (meaning Kira). I loved the way Sisko confronted Kira on that. "Go over my head again, and I'll have yours on a platter." Whoo, man! You do not want to piss off Sisko.
Oh yeah...I think there was the time where Kirk was aging, and of course, Kirk thought he still had all his mental faculties. Bones had to relieve him. You could see how hard it was for him to do it, and Kirk was naturally outraged accusing his senior officers of mutiny...feeling betrayed. Painful to watch. DeForest Kelley was such a wonderful actor.
+Andy Wilderness Hardly "irrational religious zealots" when the gods they worshipped were real, had real power, and took a detached but persistent interest in Bajor. Don't forget, the Bajoran Prophets saved the Alpha Quadrant that one time when they deleted the Dominion reinforcements. I don't think it's particularly irrational to revere that kind of entity -- maybe a little primitive, but hardly irrational.
bashir: now, either you use these things or i will tie down and make you.
kira: is that a promise?
bashir: only if you...........force my hand.
kira: i think i might have to, you.........handsome doctor bastard.
director: CUT! someone get the damn hose! nina and Alex are at it again!
Was she known to flirt with the actor behind the scenes?
@@attiepollard7847 Their actors had a child irl during the production of DS9. Hence the subplot with the O'Briens' baby.
It seems that behind every tough as nails Star Trek protagonist, there's an irritated doctor forcing them to go on vacation.
Could've been worse. Could've been Risa. That place is even skeevier than Quark's, it just looks a lot nicer.
There is a good reason though. If the Captain or Commanding Officer is unfit for duty, physically or mentally, they might not want to give up command. The Chief Medical Officer in Starfleet was given this power for safety.
So who decides when an overworked, stressed out, "unfit for duty" CMO needs to be forcefully relieved? Assigning this ultimate authority to the one person who can't be subordinated by it seems unwise and "unsafe" to me, lol.
Risa can't be any skeeiver than one of Quark's holosuites, lol.
Oh yes it can. Whenever someone from Enteprise went to Risa some bullshit happened.
@@pwnmeisterage If the CMO is unfit for duty and relieving people you're in a bad situation. It'd probably end up as a full on investigation by Starfleet authorities.
Quark's is your typical run-of-the-mill strip club; Risa is the damn Bunny Ranch of the Alpha Quadrant.
My ovaries would explode if Julian talked to me like that
+BlinkinFirefly My ovaries would explode if Kira talked to me like that. ;)
Spaceminx Right on ;)
That's why he knocked her up and not you. :P
is that good or bad o_0
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I have always liked that star trek including this 'loophole' in command structure. Anyone can be removed from active duty, even the top ranking officers, but they are not replaced by the one removing them from duty. its not perfect, but it is a balancing feature to the federation command structure
i dont think its a "loophole" the US navy im pretty sure also follows this rule. there would be more red tape than just say "bashir or crusher says so" like in star trek, but its a proper thing.
I love the face that Kira makes when Bashir straight up tells her that his ruling is the law of the land. Like, if he says so, she has no way of getting out of it.
Yup, he did. I don't think Kira would have risked saying "no" again once she realised he had the "Ace card". Ultimately the Chief Medical Officer can override even an Admiral on medical grounds. Effectively the CMO is the ultimate commander in a military organisation - though they keep out of command situations unless absolutely necessary to intervene.
Not really, ultimate commander. They can't veto any deployments. They can't initiate troop deployments. They have no say what-so-ever over how the military is run. They maybe able to dictate what supplies maybe needed in soldier's backpacks, they maybe able to dictate who can return to duty after being injured, they maybe able to relieve a soldier on medical grounds, but that's it. Very limited scope.
It's the President, Prime Minister, or Monarch that are the ultimate commanders of military.
@@Locutus I think the point is they could theoretically extort anything they wanted of the people who nominally make those decisions by the threat of removal from command. But of course most people in most organizations would not go along with that - which is basically the rule that governs any "authority" in ANY social structure in humanity :)
@@jerodast Its the Ace they only play when they need to and keep it in reserve for all other times.
@@DarkLordDiablos Its the 'Ace' they can only play on medical grounds, the rest of the time they follow orders just like everyone else. So, its an 'Ace' with limited scope aha.
As far as Starfleet is concerned, it depends on the writer. McCoy couldn't get Decker removed even when his (understandable) mental unbalance got noticeable. Spock had to remove him and send him to Sickbay for a medical evaluation (where he never arrived because no one sent to Sickbay or the brig ever gets there -- Starfleet employs the honor system in its handling of the unstable and the criminal elements.)
Actually, a jumja stick is some sort of Bajoran taffy on a stick, or some other sweet hard candy. They reference it often enough that you get to know what it is.
I'll bet it tastes like one of those caramel flavored Chupa-Chup lollipops-Love them
I bet it tastes just like a lump of "raw" sugar.
@@Desmaad At least one reference book describes it like maple syrup.
Its wierd how progression of learning to understand the language goes. When I watched DS9 in my early teens - I had no idea that the characters had accents. o_O
Very rare to see major Kira rapped on the knuckles...Well played Dr. Bashir, well played...!
0:28 STOP. RIGHT. THERE. MAJOR!
I love such scene, when the commanding Officer screws up with doc and gets owned with starfleet regulation 104-C
I wish I could find the clip that has her getting bombarded in Ops just before she comes to sickbay. Every person that is in charge at a job can relate.
The thing is, though, this is not the first or last time she behaved that way. To be honest, it took a *very, very* long time for me to warm up to her, and that's because of her attitude.
0:28 - Someone has the guts to stand up to Colonel Kira's bossiness
Major.... She was only a Colonel in the last season.
FWTrump I was referring to her by her most recent (farther into the future past DS9) rank. But I guess you're right to refer to her as "Major".
***** I've information animal, vegetable, and mineral.
@@FrogworfKnight Same rank status as Captain.
@@dalemcilwain Hm, her Starfleet rank was Commander when she was cross-commissioned from being a Bajoran Colonel, so that implies Major was like a Lieutenant Commander. On the other hand the next highest Bajoran rank we ever see is General which is obviously equivalent to Starfleet Admiral.
So it's gotta be one of: 1) There are two Colonel grades on Bajor, the higher is equivalent to Captain and the lower is what Kira got promoted to. 2) There's an unknown additional Bajoran rank between Colonel and General that we never see. 3) The lowest-tier General rank is Captain-equivalent. 4) Kira's Starfleet commission was a demotion.
The most badass scene ever of Julian Bashir.
Ohhh no!
'In times of war the law falls silent - Cicero. So is that what we have become? A 24th century Rome, driven by nothing other than the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong!?'
Bashir shouting at an Admiral...savage!
@@develynseether4426 Yes but Kira is scarier than an Admiral :P
@@jerodast true! I love when she shouts at him and blames him for her having Keiko's baby when it was Keiko's fault, especially when they are dating by that point!
Her smile at the end,
"i cant believe it worked!"
My friend sent me this after I told him that I passed out after doing too many 12 hour shifts in a row. Thanks Moss, your a pal
This scene is funnier when you remember that Alexander Siddig and Nana Visitor eventually married a few years later
“Listen Jillian just because I snapped...” is what every American says after working three years straight without a proper vacation.
Julian, but yes that is accurate :)
Vulcan is near Earth and the Station is just outside Fed space. At Warp 4, that will take some time.
Yeah I always think of that too haha. If you're gonna watch Star Trek you have to accept that distance and speed of travel in the Alpha Quadrant is not so much movement in a straight line over a measurable span, and more of a Warpy-Dorpy ball...
I just heard someone say in a Trek FB group that Trek "glorifies workaholism." how timely that this clip showed up in my recommended videos. As far as I can remember, the chief medical officer always forces people to relax when they're overworked!
except if you are O'Brien
Can't remember which episode it was but in a TNG Episode the entire bridge crew got together to force picard to take his holiday
0:19 Julian: surprised pikachu face
That point of introspection at the end for Kira where she is realizing the difference in the Federation and Cardassians. Up until then, they had only differed in name as far as she was concerned.
The one who had the most fun in this was Quark
Quark: Almost forgot this
Kira presses button, device starts buzzing
One of Dr Bashirs finest moments. Exactly what someone like Kira needs at a time like that. I know a Kira but I'm not chief medical officer unfortunatly.
Bashir is the Chief Medial Officer of the station... one that by definition has more authority than the CO.
RedFenril in medical matters the CMO of ships and stations outrank that posts CO, this is to stop CO's from overworking their staff and themselves, thus it answers a "who watches the watchers" sort of question
In other words, he has that authority in order to make sure that exactly what just happened doesn't happen a lot more often.
Kira is a former freedom fighter, used to having to be in action mode every hour of the day. It's a tribute to how well they crafted these characters that she would have problems adjusting to not needing to be in duty-mode all the time.
the medical officer is the only one who outranks the captain in certain circumstances.
man, i wish my work cared about me that much
I love how even quark won’t mess with Bashir when it comes to this
Why would he? Quark finally gets to have fun with Kira instead of the other way around.
No one would mess with Bashir. His shadow Garak is somewhere nearby and you most definitely don't mess with him.
Well, with it being an official medical prescription, Starfleet is probably footing the bill for whatever Bashir's telling Kira to do.
Theres always something satisfying seeing a doctor pull rank
Kira was always nice to Julilian. It was not her to snap on him. Did you know Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir) & Nana Visitor (Major Kira) were actually married for 4 years.
Kira's look when Quark mentions the Holosuite program :D
@ff3player They were married around season 5 I think. They got pregnant sometime toward the end of season 4.
God damn it, Morn! Even when you're in the background, your yakking makes you the center of attention!
Hey leave morn alone
That moment when she realises that he can.
She looked pissed off at Bashir and Quark, and she is smiling when she picks up that carbino juice
"Yeah screw it, let's get wasty pantsed"
Yeah, we're definitely in the Dark Times of history. If things keep going the way they are without recourse, we won't have a future like DS9. Seems like a fitting fantasy anyway - being over stressed and over worked gets you time off until your heads in the right place again? I WISH!!
Now THAT'S an interesting order: have fun & enjoy yourself or else! lol
"..as for my prescription." Just the way he says it..
1:50 I would purposefully act like I'm not enjoying myself so that I could do it every night lol
Bashir: you’re going to have fun and you’re going to LIKE IT!
Reason 3098 of why I love Bashir.
This is why Bashir is one of my favorite characters in DS9! He's an A**hole! In a good way.
Judging from that little smile at the end, I'd say Kira was impressed by Julian.
And maybe even a little aroused :)
He might be a LJG rank wise, but when it comes to medical issues, he is god
Nana Visitor is quite the looker.
Trekkie crush engaged.
And ALEXANDER SIDDIG is completely GORGEOUS!
When she gets promoted to colonel, she wears a uniform that off her figure better.
@@khartog01 And after that, getting side-ranked to Commander is her best uniform yet!
She looked better as a Russian Colonel, and even better as an Intendant.
She had this coming. I love Dr. Bashir; who else uses fun and a vacation day as punishment?
its not a punishment, its to fix her sanity
Lol
To her in that moment it is
We need more Docs like Julian Bashir. :D
I must say that this is an excellent pierce of acting, especially by Nana Visitor.
Wish my doctor was like him!
My doctor actually looks a lot like the human in the ENT episode "Carpenter Street"
As Chief Medical Officer of Deep Space Nine, he had the power to relieve anyone of their official duties if in the Bajoran Militia or Starfleet.
At least none of the items Bashir asked Quark to bring for Kira was a Horga'hn.
God, Julian using intense dom energy to enforce self care- makes me have FEELINGS
That’s weird.... So if he was scheduled to go help set up that field hospital, why didn’t Starfleet arrange for transportation for him? Why would he have to ask for a runabout?
He could get the transport but it may take a long time for Starfleet to get there
It's too bad employers don't feel this way out their employees. It's not just pregnant women and people sick with the flu that need days off.
At least he didn’t enlist the help of Laxwanna Troi to sucker her into a vacation on Ryza…
i always wanted to try a jumjar stick
Lol same
I knew a Kira like one time.....ALWAYS at work until he almost had a heart attack and the doctor also made him take time off to relax. His idea of 'relaxing' during his time off was to organize his garage LOL
Kira's got a cute nose.
Yeah. Nice ridges. :)
I wonder if this is somehow a picture of there marriage lol
:) wow, nice~ A little aggressive the way Julian speaks, but that's great he was looking out for Kira's well-being.
1:00
It was at this moment she knew...she fucked up
🎶Come to Quark’s, Quark’s is fun...🎵
Come right now, don't walk, RUN! *Quark's name rotates around*
Not even Sisko can override my order. Have fun!
I fucking love the way he wipes that look off her face
She forgot he's the chief medical officer, just because he's always quiet about how much authority his position has.
Just because they're not part of your military, a prophet, or Sisco, doesn't mean you get of them as "weak civies".
Take way more pleasure in watching her break down like that than I'm probably supposed to, rofl
Does Quark's full report include watching what she does in the holosuite?
She obviously didn't use the holosuite program. The first time she did was in the season 4 opener (way of the warrior)...of course we all remember Our man Bashir.
To be fair, isn't Deep Space Nine WAY out in, you know, deep space!? Wouldn't it take like FOREVER for a runabout to get to Vulcan!? And back!?
I truly believe that he was mentored by McCoy himself at one point. And as many here have stated, the CMO of a starship/station/facility has the right and ability to relieve any starfleet personnel regardless of rank if they are unfit for duty. Not even that person’s CO can override this judgement it’s the only person who can legally tell a higher up that they can’t work. However this is only if their unfit for a no. Of reasons. This is to ensure that the personnel are not under undue stress, both mental and physical.
Like Dr McCoy, this is a medical officer u don’t want to be on their s**t list.
I wish the United States Navy Doctor's would have the same Authority to Do this can you imagine if the United States military Doctor's had this type of Authority Not Even Admiral or General could overrule their medical Authority
Vulcan to Bajor is over 60 lightyears, at warp 4 (runabout speed) would take 215 days to reach
things that make me smile like a moron:
...and then she gets kidnapped by a transporter clone of Commander Riker. I don't think she got a chance to relax by the end of this episode.
This was the episode where she gets kidnapped by Riker transporter Accident- identical twin Thomas Riker
Remember: Nana Visitor and Alexander Siddig were married and had a kid during the run of DS9.
"You are overworked."
Bashir would do great at Rimworld.
"You *WILL* have a good time. Resistance is futile!"