VERNS SEA FISHING | LEARNING TO FISH FOR MULLET AGAIN THINK I NEED CAMOUFLAGE IN CUMBRIA

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  • Опубліковано 16 лис 2024

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  • @johnhay4228
    @johnhay4228 Місяць тому +7

    So elusive mullet are Vern , I use to fish as light as possible but I mainly used bread with the hook point just sticking through the bread and just squeeze the bread together at the line end , but I wasn't making a video like you do as quite Ness is assentional . As you say they are hard work

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@johnhay4228 need a sniper suit I reckon John. Very enjoyable but a long learning curve. I’ll use bread maggots next time. Hopefully better weather next year.

  • @fishingwithtednfamily
    @fishingwithtednfamily Місяць тому +1

    You had a good go Vern its all you can do sometimes, still a good watch and relaxing. Thanks for taking us with you. The best to you all hope you had a nice time away, and well deserved I'm sure. 💫🖖

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@fishingwithtednfamily Thank you had a great time in the pub mostly 🍺🤣. Will keep at it got another plan for next time. Got two actually so maybe two videos may make you laugh. All the best did try hard gave it my best at this time. 🤗🤗

  • @TrevorMurphy-hh3sv
    @TrevorMurphy-hh3sv Місяць тому +1

    Only just seen this this video Vern. Never known you to be so chilled or serene. Just goes to show how beneficial fishing can be.... whether or not you catch. Nice video mate. 👍 🙂

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      Thanks Trevor, sorry for late reply only I’ve just got this comment. Yes love this fishing and it’s calming learning by mistakes. Will do far more. Thanks and pleased you enjoyed.

  • @patobrien5941
    @patobrien5941 Місяць тому +4

    Yay!! It’s Vernsday .👍👍🎣

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@patobrien5941 Cheers Pat. Bit long tonight.

  • @MatthewAlanSelwood
    @MatthewAlanSelwood Місяць тому +3

    Great attempt mate.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@MatthewAlanSelwood I’ll get one one day. May do a few weekends next year before holiday. Cheers Mathew all the best.

  • @brianfields4479
    @brianfields4479 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for sharing mate, yeh mullet are difficult, only fly seems to work down here, cheers : brian in nz.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@brianfields4479 may have to give that a go Brian. Pleased you’re still watching mate. Will have to learn to fly but I’ve got an old rod just need to get the gear to go with it.

  • @peterc1927
    @peterc1927 Місяць тому +1

    Just finished watching your video Vern and I must commend your stickabilily and determination to catch a mullet. Your time will come buddy so keep doing what you do. Maybe no fish but it was your session and you enjoyed it. That's what matters! Hopefully next time 😊 until then take care 👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@peterc1927 sorry for delay Peter but I was fishing yesterday and shattered at night. I enjoy mullet fishing and even not catching is enjoyable. Don’t see how anyone can get bored fishing for mullet. I’ll get one as learning by mistakes all the time. All the best stay safe.

  • @stephenwoodhouse9739
    @stephenwoodhouse9739 Місяць тому +1

    At least you had a good go for them. You know what they say if you don't succeed try try try again .all the best woody.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@stephenwoodhouse9739 I think I may be trying to try try a lot🤣🤣🤣👍. Really enjoying it so will keep at it. All the best woody.

  • @justso1823
    @justso1823 Місяць тому +3

    It's a good job you didn't have any signal your wife would be having a meltdown using her big spoon from the kitchen 👍👍👍👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@justso1823 It was the big spoon from the house we stop in may need to get my own 🤣🤣.

  • @debroahtaylor6398
    @debroahtaylor6398 Місяць тому +3

    Need light end tackle vern, coarse fishing stuff. Also they won't hook themselves like with usual beach gear fishing. Keep rod close to hand too

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@debroahtaylor6398 okey dokey Debroah will do my best as a sea fisherman. Might be a struggle though my ninja skills have got worse.

    • @debroahtaylor6398
      @debroahtaylor6398 Місяць тому

      Never mind Vern,soon be back on the river

  • @alanjones9381
    @alanjones9381 Місяць тому +1

    Just finished watching the video Vern I think your over feeding in the video little and often is best if you want to attract them get a Tin of pilchards and empty it into a mesh bag to draw them in the. Just fish bread on the hook with a few small offerings little and often to keep them there. I would fish a 5lbs line with a stick float and a proper float rod you can pick up second hand for a few quid. Use the drag and the flexibility of the rod to stop the line breaking and having hook pulls. I think your apparel is too loud too they would have know you were there for sure. Well I hope you bag one in your next video nice to be out that’s for sure. I think I’ll be out next Wednesday night as we are having bad weather Monday and Tuesday I’m hoping that will bring the bass in for me. Have a nice weekend 👍👍👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@alanjones9381 Thanks for advice will do the pilchards but not wearing red or something bright ohh I don’t know. 🤣🤣. Got plans for next instalment but pilchards sounds good. Think my Auger rod is fresh water very bendy. All the best thanks for sticking with the video cheers. I am trimming there length a bit.

    • @alanjones9381
      @alanjones9381 Місяць тому

      @@VernsSeaFishing no need to thank me i genuinely look forward to the videos ive watched many videos and stopped watching them, you and pond Pete are the only ones i watch now as neither of you try to push new gear on people. 👍

  • @albertchalmers96
    @albertchalmers96 Місяць тому +1

    Hi vern other fantastic video still waiting for that mullet mate it will come soon boiler gone we had it for twenty years getting new one in today and tomatoes. 2.500 pounds. Never mind bye for now enjoy the rest of your holiday. Stay safe

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@albertchalmers96 Cheers Albert I will get one learning each time. Enjoying it as I do it. Not good with the boiler. All the best mate fishing yesterday.

  • @garymoloney3985
    @garymoloney3985 Місяць тому +2

    Hi vern 10 out of 10 for trying 👏👏👏 one day mate 🐟 .have you watched bassman catching mullet 👍..roll on next week vern great stuff mate 👍 👏 😉👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@garymoloney3985 yes mate watched them all bought his rigs which I adapted to work for me. I will get one just makes me wonder how many times others go and blank. Must be one of the most intelligent fish around.

  • @jimmyrosbotham8006
    @jimmyrosbotham8006 Місяць тому +1

    Afternoon mate finally sober enough to enjoy another great video, always entertaining, funny and thought provoking, I'm guessing they're are hard fish to catch especially when you can actually see them, nice venue is it full on salt water or brackish. Keep'em coming buddy cheers 🎣🎣🎣🥃🥃🥃

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@jimmyrosbotham8006 Salt water Jimmy and very intelligent fish I reckon. Maybe if we come back as fish be a mullet. 🤣🤣. Hope you enjoyed yourself and did you pull it off. All the best matey.

  • @Flint-I
    @Flint-I Місяць тому +1

    Hey Vern how are you matey . I've never had a go at mullet fishing, all I know its very difficult
    to nail one !! . Great Vid matey , see you on the next . Thank you and Tom

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@Flint-I very difficult to hook as they are very clever to say the least. Some seem to catch them easily, maybe they have had more practice and go out a lot off times. All I know is it’s very enjoyable to fish for them let alone to catch. I’ll get there and I’m sure you will to. Very pretty fish, one day🤞🤞. Sorry for delay as I was fishing yesterday. All the best Flint.

  • @byronduckfield8333
    @byronduckfield8333 Місяць тому +1

    I used to get the Mullet feeding on surface with bread then free line 5lb line with a size 16 treble. Fold the bread around the hook and just let it trot down with the flow through the feeding fish.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@byronduckfield8333 will I need a different reel to do that byron. I’m using size 10 hooks same as others. Don’t want you to use trebles in case I snap off with two hook points in upper and lower lips.

  • @LynEdwards-tk2fs
    @LynEdwards-tk2fs Місяць тому +1

    unlucky vern not through lack of trying bud ,can see you cracking it one day their mate, lovely mark as well good luck with your next session bud cheers stay safe ( hope you enjoyed the rest of your holiday bud)

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@LynEdwards-tk2fs Had a great holiday mostly in the pub it was great. Will catch there one day. Learning by myself each time. Got some new tricks to use and will try a few weekends also. All the best Lyn.

  • @MrALANwolf
    @MrALANwolf Місяць тому +1

    What a bloody plonker ,stood near the edge red coat on,throwing maggots in upside down, lol,great video again mate,even the seagulls were laughing at you eating your bread 🍞, can't wait to see the next one vern take care for now mate.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@MrALANwolf is there a right and wrong way to hook maggots. 🤣. Need a sniper suit I reckon. All the best Alan.

  • @ianoliver977
    @ianoliver977 Місяць тому +2

    Never mine mate better luck next time 💪 tight lines mate 🎣🐟🎣

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@ianoliver977 I’ll get one eventually Ian. Just a lot of learning.

  • @codmans1
    @codmans1 Місяць тому +3

    Well you tried mate next year you will succeed

  • @carldawson832
    @carldawson832 Місяць тому +1

    Hi Vernon you ok my mate, unlucky on the old mullet chief. Maybe next attempt. All the best from G.Y

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@carldawson832 let’s hope so Carl. I’ll keep at it. All the best matey.

  • @raymuldoon9716
    @raymuldoon9716 Місяць тому +1

    You could hear the mixture of hope and anticipation in your voice Vern. Might need to blend into the background just a little bit more mate😁An enjoyable relaxing watch and a few digs at cyclists!

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@raymuldoon9716 Mate I’m looking at branches and leaves I’m my hair🤣🤣🤣. A sniper suit might be good. I tried and was hopeful to no avail 🤣🤣. All the best mate.

  • @stevensillwood3260
    @stevensillwood3260 Місяць тому +1

    Enjoyed the video as always,have you thought to try a small lure ,with rag worm on one of the hooks on the lure vern,worth a try! best wishes steven.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@stevensillwood3260 Hello mate hope all is well. You in Sweden or Blighty. I shall add it to the list. Hopefully next year I shall get more than one session. All the best matey.

  • @stormforce9521
    @stormforce9521 Місяць тому +1

    Enjoyed the banter, bit of useless information, that thing with the seagulls jumping , they're encouraging worms to the surface , I've seen a whole field of them doing the same thing, very funny . Keep going m8t there's a mullet with your name on it. 👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@stormforce9521 sorry for delay but fishing yesterday and knackered at night. Pleased you enjoyed and cheers for info. All the best hopefully next mullet session I’ll have one🤣🤣

    • @stormforce9521
      @stormforce9521 Місяць тому +1

      @@VernsSeaFishing No worries Vern, I don't expect an answer , Can't give you any fishing advice either as I've not fished for twenty years or so. When I did I mostly blanked. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@stormforce9521 Just like me then as that’s all I seem to be doing🤣🤣🤣

  • @adrianwincomb7467
    @adrianwincomb7467 Місяць тому +1

    Hi vern shame no fish but you can but try hopefully you will catch when you are back on the beach.
    Take care
    Cheers adrian

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@adrianwincomb7467 Nice day had and enjoy fishing there for them. They are all about I just need to be sneaky. All the best Adrian sorry for delay only I was fishing yesterday 👍.

  • @HughGordon124c
    @HughGordon124c Місяць тому +3

    Evening everybody ..Vernsday night once again,Beer nibbles and since it's Autumn and bloody freezing up here a wee dram...on with the show!!! Put some maggots in yer hat they will munch the dead skin....

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@HughGordon124c 🤣🤣🤣loverly 🤣. You keep yourself warm Hugh have a few drams.

  • @johnspalton3628
    @johnspalton3628 Місяць тому +7

    Maize I said lol

    • @HughGordon124c
      @HughGordon124c Місяць тому +1

      😂😂😂😂

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@johnspalton3628 yep but when I bought the flour you was not contactable. Mention the maze later matey.

  • @eastcoastshoreangler9308
    @eastcoastshoreangler9308 Місяць тому +1

    you have more chance of growing one than catching one vern 😂 jokes a side mate well done for trying pal i’m sure you will get one soon you have more patients than me vern take care pal 🎣🎣👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@eastcoastshoreangler9308 Hopefully better weather next year with a weekend thrown in for good measure. Got to try a CB long learning curve I reckon.

  • @nigelrawlings1559
    @nigelrawlings1559 Місяць тому +1

    Try a small can of cat food in with the ground bait seems to work and a little bit of bacon on the smallest hook you can work with

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@nigelrawlings1559 what about Spam as it smells better than cat food. 🤣🤣. I can give that a go. Hopefully have more than one session next year. All the best Nigel.

  • @allenbrown8158
    @allenbrown8158 Місяць тому +1

    Tip number 1 Vern pick an area of the river thats a lot narrower it concentrates the fish a bit more, tip 2 watch bass mans bounty, top mullet angler, and he and me never use maggots, its bread all the way. good effort.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@allenbrown8158 I’ve watched him and bought my first lot of snoods from him. Used bread last time to no avail and used maggots this time because an old boy I talked to fishing there told me it’s the best bait to use. It’s a long road and once a year but I’ll get one. Makes me wonder how many times the video makers go to upload a catch. Very clever fish. Thanks for that info on narrowing stream but when tide goes out there is a narrowing at that mark but fish are always there abouts. All the best matey.

  • @daveturner7925
    @daveturner7925 Місяць тому +3

    Maize flour Verne 👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@daveturner7925 yeah John told me as I forgot but had already used flour. Which did work but I forgot to do it regular and ended up with a fridge of maggots 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Wife not happy. A lot of cleaning was done as it was in holiday home fridge. 🤣🤣

  • @trevorsmyth8210
    @trevorsmyth8210 Місяць тому +4

    tipex the hook they can see the hook caught a lot more fish vern

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@trevorsmyth8210 I’ll get it out and start painting cheers.

  • @josealbertoii4664
    @josealbertoii4664 Місяць тому +1

    ps: Mullet is my favorite, because it's hard to catch.
    This year they didn't show up, they probably did, but the port is about 23km long and if they don't swim 20km to the two 1km areas where fishing is allowed, they won't show up, I say, it doesn't mean they haven't come in.
    One day I was fishing mullet, and the fishing policeman showed up.
    I said, Are you from the fishing or the chess federation?
    He replied hunting and fishing.
    I said, then there's nothing to see here, I'm playing chess; trying to catch mullet.
    He replied, Catching mullet... you're right, there really aren't any catches around here.
    Every time I tell a guy I'm fishing for mullet they look at me and say, what?!....
    I think I'm the only one fishing for mullet in the port of Antwerp.
    At sea it is easier, you can be fishing for sea bass with a floater or gar fish with rag worm and catch a mullet. It is not surprising.
    The further away from the sea you are, ports for example, the more difficult it is.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@josealbertoii4664 jose I love fishing for them just wish they was not so intelligent. 🤣. I’ll always do it trying bread, maggots or other means in the pipeline. Will do a couple of weekends if all goes well. Also try to find a mark nearby but heart set on catching one there. All the best matey always good hearing from you.

    • @josealbertoii4664
      @josealbertoii4664 Місяць тому +1

      @@VernsSeaFishing One note: if the free line sinks too quickly with the weight of the hook, i.e. they don't go immediately, add a float blocked by rubber stops about 10cm above the hook. I have some round floats with a diameter of 2cm that I use for other things and they also serve this purpose when necessary.
      On the shore, people, the tripod, rod, all of that keeps them away, but if you put a log with a hook attached, it doesn't scare them.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@josealbertoii4664 Cheers didn’t know that. 👍

    • @josealbertoii4664
      @josealbertoii4664 Місяць тому

      @@VernsSeaFishing A friend of mine went fishing for sea bass, 3 hooks flapper rig.
      I asked him how it went?
      He replied, the damn mullet showed up, I only caught mullet.
      The sea is different; there is no abundance of food like in estuaries and ports and there is a sea current and competition to grab the bait before someone else grabs it. They have to attack the bait or the sea takes the food. When they put the rag worm in their mouth to suck and continue swimming they hook themselves.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@josealbertoii4664 cheers jose

  • @jimmyrosbotham8006
    @jimmyrosbotham8006 Місяць тому +3

    Hej Vän from Sweden 🇸🇪👨‍🦽🙈🥃🥃🥃🤣👍

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@jimmyrosbotham8006 Enjoy mate. Hope you’ve got a cushion for that chair. Don’t want a stiff back🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @karlnewbold
    @karlnewbold Місяць тому +1

    If at first you dont succeed try try again. Vern what rod is the right hand Blue one? keep em coming.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@karlnewbold I’ll keep at it not going to give up. I enjoy it and have more plans as long as I have days to fish. The blue rod is a Shakespeare bass rod three piece. I used it mackerel fishing in Devon. I did a live with it. Nice rod. Cost £72 a few years back.

  • @codmans1
    @codmans1 Місяць тому +3

    Well, vern 2nd pint and still no fish lol

  • @josealbertoii4664
    @josealbertoii4664 Місяць тому +1

    YES, you need camouflage!!! And the title of this video should be how not to catch mullet.
    When I fish for them in the port and the rod is coming out of the wall they don't even swim under the rod, they swim around the rod.
    I have a camouflage net, a chair behind the net and a rod in my hand to strike when they put the bait in their mouth. Rod low, even on the ground!!!
    Forget the tripod, a low rod with a float and bread. There is always the chance that one will pass by, put the bread in its mouth and hook itself.
    The second rod is the one that is fishing and is in your hand when the bait in its mouth strike because it puts the bait in its mouth and then spits it out and puts it back in its mouth and stpts again but doesn't swallow.
    Going mullet fishing trusting in a bait, big mistake. Not throwing bread flakes was an even bigger mistake. Catch mullet with maggets, with earthworms from the land or sea, with a bit of wool soaked in fish sauce, small shrimp, tuna, macro, honey, etc., etc., etc. ... etc.
    I've tried them all. Which one works? It depends on what the flavor of the day is for them. Once you find a flavor that works, it might be, usually it's just bread without additives. When you find that flavor of the day, then you'll catch it for sure. The problem with catching mullet is convincing them to put something in their mouth that you throw to them. When they put it in their mouth, strike.
    When you throw bread to them and they eat it, then free line, hook tied directly to the reel line with a bit of bread. To cast, a quick dip in the bread gives enough weight to cast. The smaller ones come to the shore but the bigger ones stay further away, so cast about 4, 5 meters from the shore, you should be able to see when they put the bread in their mouth : strike!!! They hook themselves in the spiting or you won't catch anything. Thats why the 2 hooks is important.
    The buoy is about 70 cm deep. The bigger ones swim below the school.
    .20 line, don't make fun of me, a 4Kg fish, they jump out of the water to get the hook out, I've already had two broken hooks. I'm using .37 line and the rac isn't too open to be able to strike hard.
    The ideal hook is a triple hook, cut one of the hooks so you have 2, that's ideal.
    Next to where you are fishing there is a bridge, a structure, which is usually a mandatory stop for mullet, which will feed on the algae on the walls of the pillars and on the crustaceans that live in these algae.
    ps: your video had a lot of ads, I let them run, the first one comes on then the second one, I assume that the more ads they show the more UA-cam pays you, so I let them play as many ads as they want.

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@josealbertoii4664 My line is trabuco t force tournament it’s .205mm at 5.5kg breaking strain. Think thats 12.1lbs. Should be strong enough for that day in the future 🤣. May have to change the line as it may get brittle over the years of use. Yes never seen them at the bridge but see the lines on the mud where the green algae is. If I get plenty of sessions in may try at the bridge. Thanks for information and I shall keep trying new things and things learned. All the best jose sorry for delay only I’ve been fishing and knackered.

    • @josealbertoii4664
      @josealbertoii4664 Місяць тому

      @@VernsSeaFishing I'm just saying this from my experience; I found some hooks with thinner wire, something like the Arbedden, and I thought that since it's thinner they don't detect it as well. The result is two broken hooks when they jump out of the water and stretch, that's no joke.
      I went back to using the hooks I used before, problem solved.
      They don't need thin lines or small hooks, they put EVERYTHING in their mouths, screw a hook into a log and they'll put the bait in their mouths to suck it up!!!!!

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому +1

      @@josealbertoii4664 Yes jose by watching the adds gives me money through add sense. Which adds up to a monthly payment which goes towards Diesel and reels. A bit of bait. Whichever I need.

  • @paulleclercq8086
    @paulleclercq8086 Місяць тому +2

    I've been fishing for them for years , I got in touch last time you fished that spot , I feel your hook are way to big

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@paulleclercq8086 Sorry Paul get so many messages. My hooks are the same as what others on UA-cam use. 10/12 I believe. Will check them but any smaller and I won’t see them🤣🤣

  • @user-zf7kp1ct1t
    @user-zf7kp1ct1t Місяць тому +1

    I'm surprised you still haven't tried a fly rod

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@user-zf7kp1ct1t I’ve got one and the way they move away from you I think that may be a good idea. 👍

  • @DougieRamsey-ws5gn
    @DougieRamsey-ws5gn Місяць тому +1

    Nice try Vern your a glutton for punishment mate sit down and have a Selection box fella , if at first you don’t succeed try ,try , again feel for you mate tight lines

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      @@DougieRamsey-ws5gn A selection box would have been nice. I’ll get there may even try fly fishing so they are in reach when they move on. All the best Dougie.

  • @trevorsmyth8210
    @trevorsmyth8210 Місяць тому

    vern use really small hooks mate

    • @VernsSeaFishing
      @VernsSeaFishing  Місяць тому

      Smaller than 10. Use those because that’s what others use in UA-cam unless they are fibing.