I was a part of the architectural team that designed a wafer fab plant that was built on a site at Bell Road and approximately 28th street in the early 1980’s. It was a big deal and the City threw up every possible roadblock possible to increase the development costs. Ultimately the fully operating plant chose to relocate to a more favorable business climate. The 250 million dollar structure was demolished and now there are some stucco and tile roof apartments on the site. So, investors beware.
9th street and Bell, was a Foreign Trade Zone: SGS THOMSON beget ST MICROELECTRONICS. In Europe (ST homeland) workers have rights. 2008 brought hardship to the sector, so the company cut its US ties because it wasn't legally allowed to shutdown its European operations. I worked for a foundry supplier to ST and also worked for ST for a small period, sheet metal prefab construction for Sumitomo Sitix build, and some various other players.
The speed has to be faster. Japan's chip factory was built late, but production has begun, and the second chip factory is about to be completed. American productivity is a joke.
Our young people are too busy playing video games and dressing up like cats, anime characters, and women. No wonder we don't have skilled workers anymore.
@@NosebergEatzbugsVonShekelstein Sad but honestly no one seems to care about anything. And let's not forget angry. If you have a bunch of folks drugged up, not much for an education, entitled, right now mentality, don't know their rights. It doesn't look pretty for the future. My thing is were we not just talking about the fact water is running out. Best wishes to you.
Will not let the public know how they work? The process? Because it takes a lot of water to do this process. So where are they getting the water? Are they recycling the water or what? These are things that should have been asked still should. We might having to have such a place for our country. The decision is made. But we as country have a responsibility to give two craps about the land, the water, the people and country that big businesses, big money can harm, destroy. So *process? *Waste? *Where water coming from? Are there any public health concerns to be informed on. Because people can be informed and help prevent a crisis or a truly tragic ending can and has happened. Idk and maybe someone could answer me this. We have so much land around us. Why right here with all these people? Why use more of our water that we don't have. Unless we have a back up plan. When do the people of the greater Phoenix region need to be ready to move? Because a plant like this uses like what almost 10 million gallons of water a day? Best wishes to all.
It’s really like a million gallons a day. It’ll probably get even more efficient in the future because they like money and saving water saves money. A tiny percentage of what phoenix uses for a way better purpose. The economy ground to a halt when the supply chain was disrupted. How are you going to possibly complain online if you can’t get online?
wHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE WATER FROM???? Chip making uses huge amounts of water. Why not put this near a rain forest or a large river that is not in a desert?
THS MASSIVE SH*THOLE IS PUMPING UP TO 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FROM THE COLORADO RIVER !! YEP , PER DAY ,, ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS ! WE SOLD OUT TO THE SAUDI BILLIONAIRES ,NOW WE SOLD OUT TO THE TAIWAN BILLIONAIRES ! WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY , WHAT DO WE DO ? DRINK SAND ?
@@w.l.graves7228if you’re going rant like a crazy person, get your numbers correct at least. An average us household uses 300 gallons a day. If they recycle 90%, that means they’ll need around 1 million gallons a day to replenish the initial 10 million. 10 - 10*.9 = 1. 1 million/ 300 = 3,333 households.
Where are the rest of the 93 comments? Mine is no longer on here! Do, I will re-enter my comment. Arizona had to large companies who made semiconductors they were Motorola and Honeywell, the had the waffer labs, the whole 9 yards, I worked in their waffer lab back in the 70’s and the plant was on 52 St and McDowell. Then clinton got into office and everything went to china!!!
this is security of IP they sold in the 90s, to protect from China invasion into Taiwan, at the expense of US tax dollars. It is a horrible investment for our tax dollars, as China already has the technology now as well. Its why TSMC is having to speed up 3-1nm. It is dreadful for Arizonans. They are providing citizenship essentially to 5000 Taiwanese, for jobs that could be given to Arizonans. 3000 of those jobs will be obsolete by 2030. The loss of potable water will cause irreplaceable damage.
This is a total Arizona thing.. Look up how many super fun sites we have. Money. No cares you don't take it with you. 10 million gallons a day of water.
@@gzstayreal seriously? How does that work? Cause I think that was state trust land right? Idk how that works. Either way someone has a lot of money now.
massive waste of Arizona water and giving away free citizenship to Taiwanese who are displacing US citizen jobs, disgusting. Look at all those non-union immigrant construction workers too... shame
this massive plant uses up to 10 million gallons of water per DAY ! ALL COMING FROM THE COLORADO RIVER , ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS PER DAY ! THIS IS THE DESERT ,WHAT DO US RESIDENTS DO WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY ? DRINK SAND ?
@@清心-e9v You are disgusting putting money before natural resources. We do not care about the value of your stocks nor do we care about your fiat currency, sicko.
SORRY , I DON'T SPEAK OR read mandarin chinese , the official language of taiwan .. if you reply to my post which is in english , you obviously understand the english language , why do you not post your reply in english so i can read it ? @@清心-e9v
I think it is so we have the ability to manufacture the chips. Having one county that does it with China being able to do what they want. I think it is a power play. We should have been making our own in the first place. But why not some where away from the big city?
What’s the point when they’ll ship the semiconductors overseas to be installed in products, then ship those products back to the U.S. WTF 😂 We could be doing everything in America. U know, American made
As a resident who lives in the area, this is the most disgusting place to put a plant of this size. What used to be a really beautiful area has now been permanently scarred by this ugly, out of place industrial plant. And it will bring even more ugliness. I wonder how much those Taiwanese paid off local officials to make this happen.
As a Taiwanese, I hope TSMC doesn't need to found a factory in this beautiful place too, but US gorverment forced TSMC did it for a geopolitics risk reason. In terms of profitability, there is no reason TSMC built a factory in a higher salry level region like US comparing to Asia . So it is not Taiwanese did what to make it happened, it is about US gorverment's political & economy strategy to make it happened.
I have no problem with that plant being built here in the Phoenix area but where they are building it was a very desirable area and has no place for industrial activity. It should have been built near the downtown area where there is a lot of industrial buildings. It a shame because once it's built, it's all down hill from there for that area. @@chrisaeaen773
THIS IS ABOUT TAIWANESE CORPORATE GREED FIRST, AND AMERICAN GREED 2ND . THE MASSIVE PLANT USES UP TO 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY .YES , 10,000,000 GALLONS PER DAY ,ALL COMING FROM THE COLORADO RIVER , ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS PER DAY ! THIS IS THE DESERT , WHAT DO US RESIDENTS DO WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY ? DRINK SAND ? @@chrisaeaen773
LOL -- the chips at these 3 fabs will ALL BE HIGH END - for Apple, Nvidia, and AMD. Now that China has been cut off from all advanced semi technology they will be relegated to making all the low-end, cheap chips.
my papi works here
I was a part of the architectural team that designed a wafer fab plant that was built on a site at Bell Road and approximately 28th street in the early 1980’s. It was a big deal and the City threw up every possible roadblock possible to increase the development costs. Ultimately the fully operating plant chose to relocate to a more favorable business climate. The 250 million dollar structure was demolished and now there are some stucco and tile roof apartments on the site. So, investors beware.
9th street and Bell, was a Foreign Trade Zone: SGS THOMSON beget ST MICROELECTRONICS. In Europe (ST homeland) workers have rights. 2008 brought hardship to the sector, so the company cut its US ties because it wasn't legally allowed to shutdown its European operations. I worked for a foundry supplier to ST and also worked for ST for a small period, sheet metal prefab construction for Sumitomo Sitix build, and some various other players.
Isn't it funny how history seems to repeat itself?
How did they get their own water
Shipped in from Mexcio.
The speed has to be faster. Japan's chip factory was built late, but production has begun, and the second chip factory is about to be completed. American productivity is a joke.
Why is the news showing ads like this 😂
The media is saying, Arizona doesn't have enough skilled workers for this plant. However they have no problem taking our tax dollars.
the media is saying the company is hiring illegals for a dollar more than what you start out at mcdonalds
The company guy said they traveled w them.
Our young people are too busy playing video games and dressing up like cats, anime characters, and women. No wonder we don't have skilled workers anymore.
@@NosebergEatzbugsVonShekelstein Sad but honestly no one seems to care about anything. And let's not forget angry. If you have a bunch of folks drugged up, not much for an education, entitled, right now mentality, don't know their rights. It doesn't look pretty for the future. My thing is were we not just talking about the fact water is running out. Best wishes to you.
Data centers are also lacking skilled workers
Tell that to the 150 people they laid off
Will not let the public know how they work? The process? Because it takes a lot of water to do this process. So where are they getting the water? Are they recycling the water or what? These are things that should have been asked still should.
We might having to have such a place for our country. The decision is made. But we as country have a responsibility to give two craps about the land, the water, the people and country that big businesses, big money can harm, destroy. So *process?
*Waste?
*Where water coming from?
Are there any public health concerns to be informed on. Because people can be informed and help prevent a crisis or a truly tragic ending can and has happened.
Idk and maybe someone could answer me this. We have so much land around us. Why right here with all these people? Why use more of our water that we don't have. Unless we have a back up plan. When do the people of the greater Phoenix region need to be ready to move? Because a plant like this uses like what almost 10 million gallons of water a day? Best wishes to all.
It’s really like a million gallons a day. It’ll probably get even more efficient in the future because they like money and saving water saves money. A tiny percentage of what phoenix uses for a way better purpose. The economy ground to a halt when the supply chain was disrupted. How are you going to possibly complain online if you can’t get online?
Fab plants like this recycle water.
wHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE WATER FROM???? Chip making uses huge amounts of water. Why not put this near a rain forest or a large river that is not in a desert?
THS MASSIVE SH*THOLE IS PUMPING UP TO 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FROM THE COLORADO RIVER !! YEP , PER DAY ,, ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS ! WE SOLD OUT TO THE SAUDI BILLIONAIRES ,NOW WE SOLD OUT TO THE TAIWAN BILLIONAIRES ! WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY , WHAT DO WE DO ? DRINK SAND ?
96% of the water is recycled
Once it goes online almost 100% of the water will be recycled.
The water will be recycled
@@w.l.graves7228if you’re going rant like a crazy person, get your numbers correct at least. An average us household uses 300 gallons a day. If they recycle 90%, that means they’ll need around 1 million gallons a day to replenish the initial 10 million. 10 - 10*.9 = 1. 1 million/ 300 = 3,333 households.
Don’t let it repeat the Craftsman tools flop in Fort Worth Texas.
How much water does this place use again?
If they need workers they should put ads on Craigslist.
Put a link to where people can apply for the jobs.
Search Indeed for "TSMC."
How many are from Arizona- look we cant answer that ok… we had to cut project cost somehow.
Where are the rest of the 93 comments? Mine is no longer on here! Do, I will re-enter my comment.
Arizona had to large companies who made semiconductors they were Motorola and Honeywell, the had the waffer labs, the whole 9 yards, I worked in their waffer lab back in the 70’s and the plant was on 52 St and McDowell. Then clinton got into office and everything went to china!!!
I wonder how many minutes it would take to walk from one end to another, diagonally, at the tsmc parcel
Probably 1% from Arizona working there
$65 billions in, 4 years, nothing sold. Keep up the progress I guess
TSMC expands U.S. investment to $65bn not $40B
They have a lot of problems working it out, including skilled workers and water issues.
Will be lucky to make a single chip in 5 years.
who will stop them from pumping industrial waste water into the ground
Where are you making this up from? TSMC, Intel and others clean and recycle the water. They don't pump industrial waste into the ground.
40 millones esas mega fábricas aquí en latam lo ponen en 400 millones
Estaría lista en 10 años con otros 200 millones de presupuesto extra
This is a good investment for Arizona. Taiwan is a democratic government and an independent society !
this is security of IP they sold in the 90s, to protect from China invasion into Taiwan, at the expense of US tax dollars. It is a horrible investment for our tax dollars, as China already has the technology now as well. Its why TSMC is having to speed up 3-1nm. It is dreadful for Arizonans. They are providing citizenship essentially to 5000 Taiwanese, for jobs that could be given to Arizonans. 3000 of those jobs will be obsolete by 2030. The loss of potable water will cause irreplaceable damage.
Ok well who invested in new fresh water for the living beings? Because we were already being told we don't have enough.
@@gzstayreal don't ever get out of the trailer.
@@Teolulz I own two homes, nice try.
@@gzstayreal TSMC never wanted to build a fab in the U.S.. The U.S. forced TSMC to do so.
📣THANK YOU
PRESIDENT BIDEN‼
Actually the seed was put in place before Biden became President. Ducey was person reponsible for getting this project started.
If we Didn't use so many lil chips
Crews are Who know it
Thank you Joe Biden for funding these mega-projects.
He had zero to do with it.
This is a total Arizona thing.. Look up how many super fun sites we have. Money. No cares you don't take it with you. 10 million gallons a day of water.
@@patriot4usafalse
@@movingforwardfco1587 No, it was a Federal Government thing, unfortunately Arizona is full of enough sellouts to side with it.
@@gzstayreal seriously? How does that work? Cause I think that was state trust land right? Idk how that works. Either way someone has a lot of money now.
massive waste of Arizona water and giving away free citizenship to Taiwanese who are displacing US citizen jobs, disgusting. Look at all those non-union immigrant construction workers too... shame
this massive plant uses up to 10 million gallons of water per DAY ! ALL COMING FROM THE COLORADO RIVER , ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS PER DAY ! THIS IS THE DESERT ,WHAT DO US RESIDENTS DO WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY ? DRINK SAND ?
@@清心-e9v You are disgusting putting money before natural resources. We do not care about the value of your stocks nor do we care about your fiat currency, sicko.
@@清心-e9vArizona is responsible for Arizona, not the entire United States. Maybe you don't understand how a Constitutional Union works.
SORRY , I DON'T SPEAK OR read mandarin chinese , the official language of taiwan .. if you reply to my post which is in english , you obviously understand the english language , why do you not post your reply in english so i can read it ? @@清心-e9v
I think it is so we have the ability to manufacture the chips. Having one county that does it with China being able to do what they want. I think it is a power play. We should have been making our own in the first place. But why not some where away from the big city?
And even though this project was well in place before she got in, our obsequious and cowardly Guv Katie will continue to claim credit for this.
What’s the point when they’ll ship the semiconductors overseas to be installed in products, then ship those products back to the U.S. WTF 😂 We could be doing everything in America. U know, American made
Phoenix is a toilet with Homeless everywhere 😅
Phoenix would be a toilet, even without the homeless
you're too late America. China already producing 7nm
Better late than never, if China would invade Taiwan, US will have some TSMC FABs on their own territory to keep itself supplied.
Hello my Chinese friend, Intel has been making 7nm chips for some years now
@@rameshpudhucode6862 yah not in the US. In Taiwan and Korea
@@rameshpudhucode6862 The US cant even find workers their so they bring in ones from Asia to work there. All for you to read on the news bub
@@alexg9727 My best friend works for Intel -- he told me they are being made here (Arizona and Oregon).
As a resident who lives in the area, this is the most disgusting place to put a plant of this size. What used to be a really beautiful area has now been permanently scarred by this ugly, out of place industrial plant. And it will bring even more ugliness. I wonder how much those Taiwanese paid off local officials to make this happen.
As a Taiwanese, I hope TSMC doesn't need to found a factory in this beautiful place too, but US gorverment forced TSMC did it for a geopolitics risk reason. In terms of profitability, there is no reason TSMC built a factory in a higher salry level region like US comparing to Asia . So it is not Taiwanese did what to make it happened, it is about US gorverment's political & economy strategy to make it happened.
I have no problem with that plant being built here in the Phoenix area but where they are building it was a very desirable area and has no place for industrial activity. It should have been built near the downtown area where there is a lot of industrial buildings. It a shame because once it's built, it's all down hill from there for that area. @@chrisaeaen773
10 million gallons of water a day.
THIS IS ABOUT TAIWANESE CORPORATE GREED FIRST, AND AMERICAN GREED 2ND . THE MASSIVE PLANT USES UP TO 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY .YES , 10,000,000 GALLONS PER DAY ,ALL COMING FROM THE COLORADO RIVER , ENOUGH FOR 300,000 HOUSEHOLDS PER DAY ! THIS IS THE DESERT , WHAT DO US RESIDENTS DO WHEN THE WATER RUNS DRY ? DRINK SAND ? @@chrisaeaen773
我對在菲尼克斯地區建工廠沒有意見，只是不同意他們蓋工廠的地方。 那是一個非常美麗的住宅區，擁有高檔住宅。 現在，這個醜陋的怪物永遠給它留下了傷痕。@@清心-e9v
This is how you steal it!
20,000 wafers per month at full capacity? More like 20,000 per day... a much, much smaller fab could easily produce 20,000 300mm wafers per week.
What happens if China takes back Taiwan? Will they have access to US data?
Thanks, uncle Joe! You gave away billions to a Taiwanese corporation to build a failing microchip company 👍
TSMC is definitely failing while being a 90% marketshare monopoly lol😂
@XHGA and yet they don't produce a single product at the AZ plant. We were first told 2025, then 2026, now it's 2027-28. Yep, a complete success.
TSMC did make chips for Apple or Amazon, but this US Fab will make chips for refrigerator and microwave.
this is 4nm Fab. nvidia latest Blackwell use 4nm. Also AMD CPU and Apple m2 (not m3, M3 use 3nm).
LOL -- the chips at these 3 fabs will ALL BE HIGH END - for Apple, Nvidia, and AMD. Now that China has been cut off from all advanced semi technology they will be relegated to making all the low-end, cheap chips.
I don't doubt American skills, I know Americans will not work in the same conditions as they do in Taiwan.
Too bad they built it in Corrupt Maricopa county!