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Stop calling this an accidental discharge. An accidental discharge is rare and requires a malfunction of the firearm. Negligent discharges are more common, and that’s what this was.
yeah people are saying armorers should required to be certified, were not dealing with incompetence were dealing with negligence plain as day, coked up/drunk...shooting off real bullets in a prop gun used on a film set to impress her friends. that projectile lodged in there that shot out and killed hylana is 100% hannahs fault. due to negligent handling
When I hear accidental discharge, my first thought is someone accidentally pulled the trigger or negligently pulled the trigger. If it's the fault of the gun you would call it malfunctioning.
Worthy of mention. As a retired EMT I was baffled to find the Paramedics who arrived Rust Church inserted a breathing tube into female victim wrong. The tube was down esophagus into stomach and pumping Oxygen . Upon arrival and treatment University Hospital inserted a new tube and repeated the same mistake. The victim never received any oxygen from the set, medic van, helicopter or finally hospital over the 1 hour 20 min time from shooting.
When I heard this I was totally shocked .she may have had a chance if she got the proper treatment.they had to put a central line in but couldn't get it in so they put in directly into her heart .Jesus
@seniorenyor I noticed he was pointing it AT THE JUDGE as he checked it for safety. He only did this at the judge's request too. I must say, I was shocked at this and so glad that the Court Officer grabbed the barrel and pointed it downwards.
I know nothing about guns, except one thing. You never point a gun at anyone. Ever. Seeing those actors carrying those guns around and the armorer (Hannah) carrying that shotgun around by the muzzle gave me the horrors.
toys, everyone on this movie set thought their guns were toys. The guns weren't fake, and some of them had live bullets. This movie was cursed with stupidity.
Oh brother, there are so many who should be accountable for this. There are so many irresponsible people. The live rounds came from these people shooting cans on their break. This Hannah had no business being in that position in the first place. She not only is not experienced but not mature enough to stand up and say, "No, not on my watch."
Nah … can’t go to that point .. Hannah was simply uninterested in her job, not performing and should’ve been fired by employer … only on normal workplace
For some reason, it’s hard to believe that she didn’t know about the live rounds … at the very least, she’s concern about her own potential injuries too . From the way she acted before during and after the death, she seems abnormally chill , something is incredibly wrong
She is 24. There are 24 year old military personnel that operate tanks and fighter planes and there are 24 year old doctors that are making life and death decisions. She did an apprenticeship under her father who is a legend so she was supposed to be competent.
@@almac9203 And there are 30 yr olds who never grow up. Rather than age this may go to basic personality & years on the job. You have to be very confident, very self assured, in possession of leadership qualities to take command of a big set and big actors like this. I can't see Baldwin listening to this gal who seems ? quite meek ( just based on what we see in court ) so very sad. Also if she is using illicit drugs we don't know what her priorities or coping skills are like. She could be a real dope who happens to know about guns but the responsibility is far reaching as we see in this case. Hopefully the industry learns much to prevent this from ever happening again. I wonder if she was selected to save money. In other words more professional folks would have cost this Company way more money -- You get what you pay for type idea.
I think armorers should have to be Licensed…or at least Certified !! This is horrible to be hiring complete novices in such an essential Safety position.
I 100% agree! There should be required training & certifications. It should be required everywhere. No matter what state you’re from or where the filming is done. The training should be done by an accredited licensed training facility. Not step-daddy.
@@FortessofShred Reasonable people know that they are BOTH at fault. Anyone who thinks the fault is one sided is no better than the people you describe. Judging by your comment it is apparent to me that you think the fault falls on Hannah only which is wrong
The only ones at fault are people working props unless its the actors job to load the gun then its all of them guilty not just 2 people? And who let there be live rounds next to blanks or even on set then it would be their fault.. like its not hard to see that whoever brought the live rounds is truly at fault and the person their blaming is Hannah
You are correct. I have worked lots of movie sets and music video and tv and we always trust the expert who has the training and only they handle the guns. Like the famous expert armorer said an armorer never leaves their cart unattended nor do they leave their weapons unattended and they are professionals who the actors and the crew trust to keep them safe. It’s a relationship like you have with a surgeon. I would never question a professional armorer who has training and this is their job. They and only they are the experts on seta he only they should be handling the gun. The AD he said should have gotten in trouble too and he has some real concerns about the ammo guy who has a very shady background and was arrested for theft on another set and he didn’t even know he was working, he thought the guy left the industry in shame. I totally trusted the armorer who was supremely professional when I shot a machine gun. And I trusted the explosives guy as well. The gun is not supposed to be loaded which is why they yell cold gun. So everyone knows it’s safe. It’s so awful 2 people lost their lives. She struck me as sloppy and immature. Also Dutch said that there was too many inexperienced people on set. If you are inexperienced you should have someone hovering you with experience.
If Baldwin did pull the trigger, which he may have it doesn't matter! There should not have been a live round in a REAL gun pointed at someone on the set of a F-ING MOVIE!
@@mariod818 I understand that but there should NEVER be live rounds on the set of a f-ing movie. Baldwin having no respect for firearms is a whole different discussion
I mean they are actors and not firearm experts*, and I think there's always potential for a slip up where triggers are pulled or mindlessly aimed. Surely as an armorer its your DUTY to ensure that it doesn't happen, and to minimise every likelihood of it ever happening. *Baldwin is an experienced actor and absolutely should have known better. This wasn't his first rodeo.
@@Rick-N-Something That is why they will both be found guilty, she had a job, just like alec... his job wasn't to point a firearm off screen when filming was stopped. That is the point.
@@mariod818 how is that the point? So what? He was handed something that he was told by the person responsible that it wasn't loaded with live ammunition. And being an actor on a film set, why on earth would anyone have any reason to think it would anyway? If I handed you a gun and told you it was a toy and it only had blanks, do you really think you should be culpable if you then fired it at someone? He's an actor. Not a firearms handler. That's why they hire one!
@marknelson6514 - unfortunately sometimes it’s part of the storyline to have people aim guns at each other, but fundamentally I don’t disagree with you. What I don’t understand why you would ever have live ammunition on a movie set. Especially after what happened to Brandon Lee back in the 90’s when they were filming The Crow. It’s too easy for human error to happen. If you absolutely have to have hit shots and can’t do them any other way than to use live ammo then it should be required that hit shots are to be filmed on designated days where no other shots are filmed so that you never have live ammo & fake ammo on set together at the same time.
Thousands of movies are made with gun scenes! If you’re making a movie and the scene says to point the gun and pull the trigger that’s what u do! THEIR SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A LIVE ROUND ON SET! SHE WAS THE ARMORER AND FAILED TO CHECK IT! THAT FALLS ON HER AND HER ALONE! And her attitude about all of this fkn sucks 🤷🏻♀️ RIP TO THE VICTIMS FAMILY AND FRIENDS 😢💔
Thank you for doing this Law&Crime. I tried to listen to as much as I could, but this summery is much better than listening everyday when I have other things to do. Great summary!
Had this NOT occurred,you’d be asking how it DIDN’T. So many failures with safety. Too much responsibility without the experience or even the knowledge to do it right.
There is a saying that airplane rules & regulations come from accidents to make air travel safer. After what happened to Jon-Erik Hexum (1984), Brandon Lee (1993), and Halyna Hutchins (2021), I sincerely hope stricter rules and higher standards (legitimate training, certification, etc) are implemented so no other family, friends, colleagues, community, etc will have to endure an accidental sh**ting. Truly tragic for everyone 💔
What is the job of an Armorer? To do exactly what she did NOT do. To manage the firearms in a safe way, to train and oversee the users on safety protocols of using the firearms, to properly load and care for the firearms and keep them safely stored. She wasn’t the only negligent person on set, but she definitely was negligent.
She is 100% guilty. Let’s say everybody else failed to check that gun. She was the ultimate last line of defense to check that gun and make sure everything was safe. She took the paycheck and she accepted the role but failed horribly.
You are so correct and that’s from someone who works in the film industry, for a long time, you know what’s sad is they may never hire a young female armorer again because of this, even if they are supremely qualified and professional and safe. She was sloppy and unprofessional.
@@foxibotI don’t agree. Her gender and age had zero to do with the fact that she was immature and reckless. Plenty of people right out of high school have exponentially more maturity than she did. Qualifications and personality should speak for themselves
@@kateashby3066if you listen to the testimony of the expert witness he said that actors seldom perform a safety check and that adds nothing to the safety of the set. He said it is only really done for the actors benefit to make them feel better. He said the safety checks he does ensures everyone is safe. He performs a safety check then checks it again with the AD and possibly with the cinematographer and actor if the actor wants to be present. The actor personally checking the gun doesn't add anything unless they are an expert.
@@virginia2949 some people just do things that will boost their resume for something bigger. They don't put a lot of effort into it. It's just a another line on a resume anyway.
Thats because her counsel recognized that showing up with rainbow colored hair and a nose ring screams "I'm a stu--peeed" incompetent, irresponsible liberal so you had better lose the look. I am shocked at how well she cleans up and is actually a very attractive young woman.
I feel conflicted. Firstly, I don't like Alec; however, it's a standard rule in the film industry that actors aren't permitted to triple-check prop guns. This responsibility is assigned to the armorer for the initial check, followed by the assistant director for a double check, and that's it. Now, all parties responsible are punished, as the assistant director already took a plea deal. Should someone like Alec be penalized for adhering to a decades-old protocol, or should he have used common sense and triple-checked it himself, even though that action might have created another safety concern? If we say he should have used common sense, does that imply that the film industry as a whole has been negligent the entire time?
That’s so true. Dave Hall said he checked the rounds when Hannah had loaded it. And it was passed to Baldwin. If Baldwin opened the gun, it wpouldve went back to armorer, re checked again. She was also to always be with the guns, and wasn’t even in the church.
Where did you hear that? I’ve heard actors say they always check the gun themselves. And from a gun safety point of view, not letting the person handling the gun inspect the weapon is the exact opposite of how it should be done. Gun safety rule #6 6) "Clear" a firearm anytime you touch one. As soon as you pick up a firearm, without the immediate intention to shoot it, the first thing you should do is ensure that it's empty. For semi-automatic firearms, release the magazine, then inspect the chamber to ensure that it's empty. You should also always do this before leaving the range or putting away your firearm.
@@rnr4204The gun range isn't a movie set. If you allow an actor to inspect the gun after it has (or rather, should have) gone through the two inspections, there is a risk that the actor might tamper with it, creating a safety concern.
The idea that the protections "doesn't have to prove that she destroyed evidence" is laughable. The whole premise of western law is that it's the duty of prosecution to prove crime, not for the defendant to prove their innocence. The fact that that tactic seems to be becoming more common in American court rooms is unsettling.
How is it laughable? They aren't charging anyone with destruction of evidence, they are charging for involuntary manslaughter. At 14:00 they say just that and that it has to be proven. Don't conflate things to make a point. It wasn't charged for the very reason that they couldn't prove it.
But she just can't! No one can't. It just not possible. She checking "everything" (whatever that mean), get back home, someone at night coming to the armory, adding the bad bullet among the others, she going for her next shift, checking "everything" but all seems fine BECAUSE THE BULLET LOOK JUST LIKE NORMAL ONE FOR MOVIE SHOOTINGS. We can't blame this accident on anyone.
She was partially responsible sure. Now if the actor had shot another actor while filming, I'd say Baldwin is innocent. The fact that he shot bystanders by playing with a gun, as a producer who knew about safety issues raised by staff who walked off the set, I'd say he bears some responsibility as well.
He ultimately should have checked his weapon, he's the one. The girl has suffered punishment enough for her part in the production of the weapon so anything beyond the shooter being the guilty party is nutty to me.
Didnt think OHSA/B should have been included. That agency focuses on institutional implementation of safety, not looking at individual responsibilities for safety
Jury say multiple videos of HG on set. Right or wrong being young HG needed to dress the part of safety/armorer. Their is a standard “uniform”. Khaki pants/501s, polo/jacket/baseball cap…plain solid color or with “safety” or “armor” written on it.
😂 what was he checking for ? He’s an actor and not responsible for or required to have the knowledge necessary to know what he was looking at. It’s incomprehensible to all of these people that any live rounds would be on set . Ever. Even the guy who got shot literally refused to believe he was shot by an actual bullet. They had to show him the x ray of the bullet inside him to shut him up. The facts are that they probably did come from Seth Kenny and Hannah didn’t have the knowledge or experience to spot them and didn’t check the rounds when she received them
@@MrProfchaos71being an actor isn’t a get out of jail free card. If you pick up a gun, you are the one that’s ultimately responsible for your safety and that of those around you. Go take a gun safety course.
@@MrProfchaos71i wish i could be as woefully ignorant and negligent like you. please never get your hands on a weapon for the safety of the general public 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
HG was charged with tampering for the “coke”. Jury found not guilty on the tampering count. The jury instructions elements specifically said the State had to prove it was Coke (YT friendly term).
@@North_West1Even if they did prove it was Coke, I don't think that should be a criminal offense. If she brought Pepsi to the set, then she would deserve to do hard time in the slammer.
It's an important position - being in charge of firearms, anywhere. And this was just a kid with purple hair an appreciation for weed. You don't put that kind of responsibility onto a person like that. She looks like somebody who'd be all loosy-goosy with the safety rules. I was an air cadet when when I was a kid. We'd go to the range. We'd fire live rounds. Every time - before firing anything - we'd go through a protocol and safety lecture. Even if we'd done it a thousand times, we'd still have to sit through the lecture. There was no slack cut for breaking the rules. You ignore them, you go home. That was that. The same kind of strict enforcement should be applied to anyplace where guns are in use.
To me her attitude and demeanour come across as soo entitled and just didn't care about anyone except herself. Lets hope being in jail for awhile will improve her attitude and her mothers.
Charging Baldwin is a waste of time, these weapons were props and were to have blanks in them, never real bullets, you hire two people for that duty and they screw up and someone dies. Baldwin was suppose to feel safe as well as those around him, BECAUSE THOSE GUNS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOADED.
I don't think it's a waste of time to charge him. I think he failed to follow safety protocol, and as a seasoned actor with familiarity in firearms he absolutely knew better than that. Imo I'd be interested in hearing what part he took in hiring HGR and why. To assign somebody with such little experience to such an important position is quite remarkable and you have to question why that was. I have a feeling that he knew he'd have an easy time overriding HGR's authority in order to play reckless gunslinger unchallenged
Accountability must be legally assigned to those who are ultimately responsible for Halyna Hutchins' shooting death. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed has already been found guilty; but I'm sure the ball does not stop with her.
I'm not sure about "awful". They made a mistake in the beginning by not having more than one person checking. NOBODY expects to have live rounds, so I'm sure she wasn't being extra cautious. She had two different jobs...too much for one person. She should have stepped down from one so that all of her attention should be where it should be. There is definitely more people that have responsibility for this .... and Alec Baldwin should know: It's a rule of handling any gun, you don't point a gun, EVEN UNLOADED, you NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYONE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT INTENDING TO SHOOT.
On top of that, how many armorers are required per number of actors with guns in a scene? Because in many movies there are many actors with guns in scenes and I imagine a single person can't be expected to control everything all of these actors may do with the guns and be constantly responsible for the condition of all of the weapons simultaneously.
She was in charge of firearms on set, that was her job. A firearm was used on set that was improperly handled by the armoror and improperly used by an actor and ended someone's life. Both people are responsible. But no matter what, that gun, and every gun on set, was her responsibility.
The colored hair was a punishment for an earlier crime. No one in their right mind would voluntarily color their hair that way. She was again given the option of prison or having her hair colored again. This time and she rightfully chose prison. Living in prison is much more dignified than living with the absurd hair coloring. Yes, I'm joking. It's amazing she willingly colored her hair that way in the past. It's kind of amazing how much better she looked in court than how she looked in those past videos.
Hanna Gutierrez Reed was never qualified to be an armoror. Her stepfather is Thell Reed who if a very well known marksman and armorer and she rode his coattails to gain that petition.
I can't see how other colleagues and workmates wanting the armorer fired prior to the event has anything to do with her responsibility for the event. Either she brought live rounds to the set and loaded them into the gun or she didn't. Period. Defense seems to be trying to say everyone "had it in for her" - as if that has anything to do with the facts. I'd say that the bad opinion of her coworkers well in advance of the event was a big red flag and points to the high probability that she was, indeed, very sloppy. Ain't helping the defense to try and muddy the water, here. Are other people guilty of sloppiness? Duh. Let's bring them to trial as well, but their action does not let the armourer off the hook.
It's not up to the supplier to police how the production company uses the ammunition supplied. If that was the case, every auto manufacturer would be responsible for drunk drivers.
@@buckhorncortez nobody said that, he had a month to toss evidence to cover for his employee Sarah Zachary who testified to loading guns while hanna wasn’t present
@@floivanus Then that's a police negligency problem for not investigating immediately. Sitll, is not his problem as he has no idea what the police would consider evidence without being told by the police or the DA's office materials to preserve.
Real guns are almost always used on movie sets. Normally an armorer makes sure they are used safely. The movie industry has a very good gun safety record overall.
38:23 What i find odd is OSHA saying she was not provided enough time to do her due diligence on set by her employer. Like what, checking the ammo between each shot? Seems basic to me.
You need the entire story. She was given nine production days in total for armorer activities. If they were not on consecutive days, she would not get paid for the days she didn't work. To make up for that and allow more flexibility in the shooting schedule, they also assigned her to props. She had two jobs that conflicted with each other for her time.
She was doing dual duty. On the day of the incident she was officially prop master not armorer To cut costs producers had her doing 2 jobs usually handled by 2 separate people. It is easy to miss things when you are asked to do the job of two people.
Cases like these are always so frustrating because they never fails to stray off-topic. Not related to this particular case, but they could've gone off trails and talked about the technicalities around what alloy a round is made of, or the entire history of a particular barrel.
47:32 No. I'd say his valid argument will be "I'm the actor, I don't expect live rounds to be on set. The armorer handed me the gun so I will always assume its safe". When they hand guns over to the actors aren't they supposed to say "safe" pointing out they've checked it?
The prosecutors own expert armourer testified that actors aren't required to personally perform safety checks and that such checks add nothing to safety. The Armourer was supposed to check the ammo when loading the gun and check it again with the AD. That is where the safety comes from. The actor is allowed to check the gun themselves but it doesn't add anything because they aren't experts.
He could be thinking he's safe by scapegoating her but his actions, as well as it not actually happening during the movie, just him screwing around should have him scared. Especially since he said he didn't pull the trigger and forensics proved otherwise
I don't know how it will be viewed legally, but Baldwin definitely carries blame here too. He should know to check a weapon before pointing and firing it at a human being.
We shall see soon enough. He broke all 4 safety rules for firearms. I do know that safety needs to be put 1st in every single production and they haven’t been held truly accountable in centuries - they hide behind Workmans Comp and the code of silence. ( IMO)
But this is the acting world. In a real life setting, of course a person should not point a gun at anyone. But how was he to know that he needed to check this prop gun? He put his trust in the person who does that job.
@@Kathryn-qs1tbI agree. It’s absolutely terrible what happened. It’s horrible. But I do not believe he is to blame. He is an actor and should not be held accountable because of the consequences of the negligence of the person who was responsible in the situation the (armorer). She doesn’t even seem to be phased by the severity of the situation or how it had traumatized and impacted the lives of everyone; especially the family husband and son. Above all a person died as a result. More then anything; Perhaps her father is partially to blame for not ensuring she was trained properly or not supervising her, considering he is her father, and seems like a conflict of interest by being the person to have solely allowed her to be on the set with other people while not being competent enough to do so. She was more concerned about people knowing who her dad was then doing her job right and was piggybacking off his reputation then building her own rapport . Does she understand or care about anyone else?, clearly not. The father should have been there ensuring she was properly supervised and trained. Done so as her father and person who showed her the ropes; also as her father, he should’ve known that she had a drug issue which also I believe played a part in her negligence. So in regard to Alec Baldwin; There are some really unfortunate circumstances and coincidences regarding him actually shooting somebody but in no way do I think it is responsible or in any way is his fault for shooting the gun that was opposed to be filled with blanks there should’ve never been any real bullets even on the premises of the property, let alone loaded into the gun and handed over to him. He obviously would assume that the person responsible for ensuring that it didn’t have real bullets is handing off a prop gun and should not have expected anymore. At the end of the day he did what he was hired to do as an actor, where as she failed. Despite all this he will bear the guilt of being the one who pulled the trigger, and that will surely be lasting a lifetime and that undoubtedly will be a life long sentence. That alone should be enough for anyone.
She is the one who loaded the gun!! So yeah she is guilty, not the person shooting it and also she was found guilty so why are u guys still saying Alec Baldwin should be charged
That is what the expert armourer said. He said you have to put your foot down and outline the standards and if the producers or directors refuse to abide by safety standards then you have to refuse to participate. That would have saved her a conviction. I would say how difficult it would have been to actually check the gun before handing it to the AD and ultimately Baldwin? The crew quit and they sat around for 3 hours which is enough time to check every round in the ammo box. There were 30 rounds in the box and it probably would take 30 seconds per round to check it out.
Doesn't matter whether it was loaded or unloaded Alec Baldwin should have never pointed that gun at that lady or in the direction of that lady that was his responsibility not to pull the trigger nor should he have ever pulled it in her direction onyx unsafe measures of a gun in any which way shape or form is a threat to somebody's life and should be never be taken lightly you never aim a gun unless you intend to use it movie or no movie I own multiple firearms and in my life I would never let anybody point a gun at me
I'm brand new to this case. That being said, I don't think this girl was qualified for that job on so many different levels. I think responsibility needs to come from the top down
Even an 18 month Max sentence will allow HG to go back to school, start a career (new field) and live her life to fullest. New Mexico law only restricts felon gun rights for 10 years after completion of sentence.
I heard from a lawyer on a TV show that predicted she would likely only serve 3 months and have her record expunged in 12 months. This doesn't have to ruin her life although it will end her Hollywood career.
Hannah's actions couldn't reasonably be expected to result in injury . The injury was a result of Alec Baldwin's violation of at least 5 gun safety rules as well as industry-wide rules. If the gun had been handled properly, no one would have been hurt, live round or not. Rule #1 : All guns are always loaded. Rule #2 : Never allow the muzzle to cover anything you are not willing to destroy. Rule #3 : Keep your finger off the trigger until the gun comes on target.
I've been a movie extra in three western films. In those three films, I was involved with the same production company and director. I was also allowed to bring my own firearm with me since it was in fact, a low budget movie and when I did, the armorer inspected it and instructed every actor and crew to inspect them while on set before giving the final green light. Moral of the story is EVERYONE is a safety and it is everyone's responsibility to check a firearm and make sure it isn't loaded with live ammo. Alec Baldwin and Hannah Reed need more accountability
She shirked her responsibilities as an armorer and should have never been hired for that job. It's going to be interesting to see how Baldwin fares in his trial.
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@@darylhammerquist5961it's all good, man!
Alec was charged. SMH
Dude, why is there poo smeared all over the wall over your right shoulder?
The Procecution has no evidence the Trigger was pulled she really screwed up, that's a God like statement.
Stop calling this an accidental discharge. An accidental discharge is rare and requires a malfunction of the firearm. Negligent discharges are more common, and that’s what this was.
yeah people are saying armorers should required to be certified, were not dealing with incompetence were dealing with negligence plain as day, coked up/drunk...shooting off real bullets in a prop gun used on a film set to impress her friends. that projectile lodged in there that shot out and killed hylana is 100% hannahs fault. due to negligent handling
When I hear accidental discharge, my first thought is someone accidentally pulled the trigger or negligently pulled the trigger. If it's the fault of the gun you would call it malfunctioning.
It’s a Murder and Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger on a gun he did not check.
Alec Baldwin is an unrepentant Murderer
Alec pointed the gun and PULLED the trigger. Yes, this was a negligent discharge of the hghest order.
Correct
Worthy of mention. As a retired EMT I was baffled to find the Paramedics who arrived Rust Church inserted a breathing tube into female victim wrong. The tube was down esophagus into stomach and pumping Oxygen .
Upon arrival and treatment University Hospital inserted a new tube and repeated the same mistake. The victim never received any oxygen from the set, medic van, helicopter or finally hospital over the 1 hour 20 min time from shooting.
😮 she might still be alive if she was treated the right way 😩😩😩
When I heard this I was totally shocked .she may have had a chance if she got the proper treatment.they had to put a central line in but couldn't get it in so they put in directly into her heart .Jesus
Odd, that you don't hear so much about that.
Omg!! She could have lived! I have never heard this 😭😭😭
@BamaSquirrel The bullet severed her spinal cord. She'd probably be in a wheelchair until someone figures out how to clone nerve cells.
Dude! 45:00 the weapons expert even handling the gun unsafely in the middle of court. WTF
Kind of reminds me of that lawyer named Clement Vallandigham who accidentally smoked himself in court.
To me, that was the most cringe moment. The guy was in a different universe.
@seniorenyor
I noticed he was pointing it AT THE JUDGE as he checked it for safety. He only did this at the judge's request too. I must say, I was shocked at this and so glad that the Court Officer grabbed the barrel and pointed it downwards.
I carry a pistol every day. The first and last thing I do when even touching a firearm is to check to see if it’s loaded.
That was a toy , exactly what should have been used on the set
I know nothing about guns, except one thing. You never point a gun at anyone. Ever. Seeing those actors carrying those guns around and the armorer (Hannah) carrying that shotgun around by the muzzle gave me the horrors.
toys, everyone on this movie set thought their guns were toys. The guns weren't fake, and some of them had live bullets. This movie was cursed with stupidity.
Oh brother, there are so many who should be accountable for this. There are so many irresponsible people. The live rounds came from these people shooting cans on their break. This Hannah had no business being in that position in the first place. She not only is not experienced but not mature enough to stand up and say, "No, not on my watch."
Nah … can’t go to that point .. Hannah was simply uninterested in her job, not performing and should’ve been fired by employer … only on normal workplace
The live rounds came from her father and another movie set. Not people shooting cans on their break.
Agreed. Many people from management on down all dropped the ball. The problem is we all know in the corporate world sh*# rolls down hill.
For some reason, it’s hard to believe that she didn’t know about the live rounds … at the very least, she’s concern about her own potential injuries too . From the way she acted before during and after the death, she seems abnormally chill , something is incredibly wrong
@@judithnicholais1492 do you mean just like a cop?
why would you hire a 20 year old to this type of job..way too young
She is 24. There are 24 year old military personnel that operate tanks and fighter planes and there are 24 year old doctors that are making life and death decisions. She did an apprenticeship under her father who is a legend so she was supposed to be competent.
@@almac9203 And there are 30 yr olds who never grow up. Rather than age this may go to basic personality & years on the job. You have to be very confident, very self assured, in possession of leadership qualities to take command of a big set and big actors like this. I can't see Baldwin listening to this gal who seems ? quite meek ( just based on what we see in court ) so very sad. Also if she is using illicit drugs we don't know what her priorities or coping skills are like. She could be a real dope who happens to know about guns but the responsibility is far reaching as we see in this case. Hopefully the industry learns much to prevent this from ever happening again. I wonder if she was selected to save money. In other words more professional folks would have cost this Company way more money -- You get what you pay for type idea.
First thing that came to mind....a cost cutting hire.
NEPOTISM, daddy's girl duh.....
I think armorers should have to be Licensed…or at least Certified !! This is horrible to be hiring complete novices in such an essential Safety position.
They are but it’s California!
@@ReaperDawg102 no, wrong its new mexico
@@gracepfeifer9343, Same thing?
I 100% agree! There should be required training & certifications. It should be required everywhere. No matter what state you’re from or where the filming is done. The training should be done by an accredited licensed training facility. Not step-daddy.
I thought they were!
She had a responsibility to do her due diligence in loading and checking the gun before handing it off. Totally negligent.
ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT PARTNER 😎👍👌
But....but...the actor....that listened to and trusted the expert......it's all his fault 😭
@@FortessofShred Reasonable people know that they are BOTH at fault. Anyone who thinks the fault is one sided is no better than the people you describe. Judging by your comment it is apparent to me that you think the fault falls on Hannah only which is wrong
The only ones at fault are people working props unless its the actors job to load the gun then its all of them guilty not just 2 people? And who let there be live rounds next to blanks or even on set then it would be their fault.. like its not hard to see that whoever brought the live rounds is truly at fault and the person their blaming is Hannah
You are correct. I have worked lots of movie sets and music video and tv and we always trust the expert who has the training and only they handle the guns. Like the famous expert armorer said an armorer never leaves their cart unattended nor do they leave their weapons unattended and they are professionals who the actors and the crew trust to keep them safe. It’s a relationship like you have with a surgeon. I would never question a professional armorer who has training and this is their job. They and only they are the experts on seta he only they should be handling the gun. The AD he said should have gotten in trouble too and he has some real concerns about the ammo guy who has a very shady background and was arrested for theft on another set and he didn’t even know he was working, he thought the guy left the industry in shame. I totally trusted the armorer who was supremely professional when I shot a machine gun. And I trusted the explosives guy as well. The gun is not supposed to be loaded which is why they yell cold gun. So everyone knows it’s safe. It’s so awful 2 people lost their lives. She struck me as sloppy and immature. Also Dutch said that there was too many inexperienced people on set. If you are inexperienced you should have someone hovering you with experience.
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded… first weapon safety rule
I wouldn't let Gutierrez supervise the food cart.
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😂 I'm Hispanic and I found this funny!!!
Plus she was doing drugs
Clearly she's already been to the food cart unsupervised many times.
If Baldwin did pull the trigger, which he may have it doesn't matter! There should not have been a live round in a REAL gun pointed at someone on the set of a F-ING MOVIE!
He's guilty for pointing a firearms at someone off-screen when filming had stopped, Even blanks kill use your brain.
@@mariod818 I understand that but there should NEVER be live rounds on the set of a f-ing movie. Baldwin having no respect for firearms is a whole different discussion
I mean they are actors and not firearm experts*,
and I think there's always potential for a slip up where triggers are pulled or mindlessly aimed.
Surely as an armorer its your DUTY to ensure that it doesn't happen, and to minimise every likelihood of it ever happening.
*Baldwin is an experienced actor and absolutely should have known better. This wasn't his first rodeo.
@@Rick-N-Something That is why they will both be found guilty, she had a job, just like alec... his job wasn't to point a firearm off screen when filming was stopped. That is the point.
@@mariod818 how is that the point? So what? He was handed something that he was told by the person responsible that it wasn't loaded with live ammunition. And being an actor on a film set, why on earth would anyone have any reason to think it would anyway? If I handed you a gun and told you it was a toy and it only had blanks, do you really think you should be culpable if you then fired it at someone? He's an actor. Not a firearms handler. That's why they hire one!
Firearms safety 101. Do NOT fire at a person. PERIOD.
unless they are evil
You realize they literally do that multiple times while filming think bro
@marknelson6514 - unfortunately sometimes it’s part of the storyline to have people aim guns at each other, but fundamentally I don’t disagree with you. What I don’t understand why you would ever have live ammunition on a movie set. Especially after what happened to Brandon Lee back in the 90’s when they were filming The Crow. It’s too easy for human error to happen. If you absolutely have to have hit shots and can’t do them any other way than to use live ammo then it should be required that hit shots are to be filmed on designated days where no other shots are filmed so that you never have live ammo & fake ammo on set together at the same time.
Thousands of movies are made with gun scenes! If you’re making a movie and the scene says to point the gun and pull the trigger that’s what u do! THEIR SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A LIVE ROUND ON SET! SHE WAS THE ARMORER AND FAILED TO CHECK IT! THAT FALLS ON HER AND HER ALONE! And her attitude about all of this fkn sucks 🤷🏻♀️ RIP TO THE VICTIMS FAMILY AND FRIENDS 😢💔
how do you film that then?
I think being the "purple haired gun woman" identity was more important to her than being the "very serious safety professional" they needed.
@@jj_ok i was about to say she ain’t rocking the purple hair anymore now.
Thank you for doing this Law&Crime. I tried to listen to as much as I could, but this summery is much better than listening everyday when I have other things to do. Great summary!
Still no ,idea how the live ammo got on the set !
Hannah brought them. She says it herself in the police interview at 6:42
Had this NOT occurred,you’d be asking how it DIDN’T.
So many failures with safety.
Too much responsibility without the experience or even the knowledge to do it right.
Just imagining a young and inexperienced armorer saying no to Alec Baldwin.
Why did she mix live rounds with the blanks?
She didnt bring live round on to set someone else did
IMO. The extreme acts of negligence were in the last few minutes before shooting. Not individually verifying each round as it is loaded in to weapon.
But that was her job, to be in complete control of the firearms and the ammunition; no matter who her boss was
There is a saying that airplane rules & regulations come from accidents to make air travel safer. After what happened to Jon-Erik Hexum (1984), Brandon Lee (1993), and Halyna Hutchins (2021), I sincerely hope stricter rules and higher standards (legitimate training, certification, etc) are implemented so no other family, friends, colleagues, community, etc will have to endure an accidental sh**ting. Truly tragic for everyone 💔
And Sarah Jones………..
What is the job of an Armorer? To do exactly what she did NOT do. To manage the firearms in a safe way, to train and oversee the users on safety protocols of using the firearms, to properly load and care for the firearms and keep them safely stored. She wasn’t the only negligent person on set, but she definitely was negligent.
She is 100% guilty. Let’s say everybody else failed to check that gun. She was the ultimate last line of defense to check that gun and make sure everything was safe. She took the paycheck and she accepted the role but failed horribly.
Failed diversity hire
You are so correct and that’s from someone who works in the film industry, for a long time, you know what’s sad is they may never hire a young female armorer again because of this, even if they are supremely qualified and professional and safe. She was sloppy and unprofessional.
Technically Baldwin is the last line of defense. Anytime a gun is passed off it should be checked by that person, again.
@@foxibotI don’t agree. Her gender and age had zero to do with the fact that she was immature and reckless. Plenty of people right out of high school have exponentially more maturity than she did. Qualifications and personality should speak for themselves
@@kateashby3066if you listen to the testimony of the expert witness he said that actors seldom perform a safety check and that adds nothing to the safety of the set. He said it is only really done for the actors benefit to make them feel better. He said the safety checks he does ensures everyone is safe. He performs a safety check then checks it again with the AD and possibly with the cinematographer and actor if the actor wants to be present. The actor personally checking the gun doesn't add anything unless they are an expert.
Hannah's hair looks slightly different in court.
I think she felt very uncomfortable on set and so hid behind that clown outfit. She should not have been there.
@@virginia2949 some people just do things that will boost their resume for something bigger. They don't put a lot of effort into it. It's just a another line on a resume anyway.
Her attorney told her to get rid of the woke costume, it will hurt your case.
Thats because her counsel recognized that showing up with rainbow colored hair and a nose ring screams "I'm a stu--peeed" incompetent, irresponsible liberal so you had better lose the look. I am shocked at how well she cleans up and is actually a very attractive young woman.
her hair is the only thing that evolves from this...she didn't learn anything.
I feel conflicted. Firstly, I don't like Alec; however, it's a standard rule in the film industry that actors aren't permitted to triple-check prop guns. This responsibility is assigned to the armorer for the initial check, followed by the assistant director for a double check, and that's it. Now, all parties responsible are punished, as the assistant director already took a plea deal. Should someone like Alec be penalized for adhering to a decades-old protocol, or should he have used common sense and triple-checked it himself, even though that action might have created another safety concern? If we say he should have used common sense, does that imply that the film industry as a whole has been negligent the entire time?
That’s so true. Dave Hall said he checked the rounds when Hannah had loaded it. And it was passed to Baldwin. If Baldwin opened the gun, it wpouldve went back to armorer, re checked again. She was also to always be with the guns, and wasn’t even in the church.
Where did you hear that? I’ve heard actors say they always check the gun themselves. And from a gun safety point of view, not letting the person handling the gun inspect the weapon is the exact opposite of how it should be done.
Gun safety rule #6
6) "Clear" a firearm anytime you touch one.
As soon as you pick up a firearm, without the immediate intention to shoot it, the first thing you should do is ensure that it's empty. For semi-automatic firearms, release the magazine, then inspect the chamber to ensure that it's empty.
You should also always do this before leaving the range or putting away your firearm.
I DONT LIKE YOU EITHER YOU PEASANT
@@rnr4204 To be fair the gun supposed to be loaded (with blanks), so even if he check it he may pass the live round unnoticed as they looks similar.
@@rnr4204The gun range isn't a movie set. If you allow an actor to inspect the gun after it has (or rather, should have) gone through the two inspections, there is a risk that the actor might tamper with it, creating a safety concern.
The idea that the protections "doesn't have to prove that she destroyed evidence" is laughable. The whole premise of western law is that it's the duty of prosecution to prove crime, not for the defendant to prove their innocence. The fact that that tactic seems to be becoming more common in American court rooms is unsettling.
How is it laughable? They aren't charging anyone with destruction of evidence, they are charging for involuntary manslaughter. At 14:00 they say just that and that it has to be proven. Don't conflate things to make a point. It wasn't charged for the very reason that they couldn't prove it.
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Her dad definitely didn't train her well
That's the problem with nepotism, you don't have to take it seriously because you're getting the Job anyway.
Conflict of interest
HG had an opportunity few other do. She could have done a 6 or 12 month apprenticeship or similar with her step dad.
Maybe he did, but she is lazy not to mention drug-addled.
Defence was shocking, no matter what others did on set as the armorer it was her job to ensure no one handed firearms without her checking EVERYTHING.
Right! If any doubt you don’t load the round. Verify each round individually as each round is loaded. A second person observed the check. Not hard.
But she just can't! No one can't. It just not possible. She checking "everything" (whatever that mean), get back home, someone at night coming to the armory, adding the bad bullet among the others, she going for her next shift, checking "everything" but all seems fine BECAUSE THE BULLET LOOK JUST LIKE NORMAL ONE FOR MOVIE SHOOTINGS.
We can't blame this accident on anyone.
When Larping as a weapons expert backfires. 😶
The pun 🤣
@@FortessofShred oh I legit didn't even realize 🤣🤣
I bet her dad wishes she just went by Hannah Gutierrez.
It’s step dad I think
I doubt it. It is family
Her laziness and incompetence is staggering.
The ad transitions are hilarious, you get me every time 😂
She was partially responsible sure. Now if the actor had shot another actor while filming, I'd say Baldwin is innocent. The fact that he shot bystanders by playing with a gun, as a producer who knew about safety issues raised by staff who walked off the set, I'd say he bears some responsibility as well.
It wasn't meant to be real or loaded...
He wasn't playing with it, he was shooting a scene genius
He ultimately should have checked his weapon, he's the one. The girl has suffered punishment enough for her part in the production of the weapon so anything beyond the shooter being the guilty party is nutty to me.
@@Roboticdoughbull3k It was HER Job to make sure the gun was unloaded when she handed it to him. That was her job, and why she's now going to prison.
@@Roboticdoughbull3k Utterly absurd comment. Refer to my original. He's an actor, it literally wasn't his job and it literally was hers.
She comes off as a pretentious, irresponsible, negligent, spolied brat!!! R.I.P Halayna 🕊 🕊
And “coked out pot head”
@@latentsea 😂 😂 yup I forgot the most important!!! 👍 👍
The brown red substance on the wall in the background looks like blood😮
Didnt think OHSA/B should have been included. That agency focuses on institutional implementation of safety, not looking at individual responsibilities for safety
it was ploy of the defense team, not the state.
she cleaned up lol
It was kind of amazing how much better she looked in court than in the videos from the movie set.
Hannah so disgusts me. Refusing to own up to what she did even though she knows full well wtf she did. How DARE she. You'd think no one was dead.
For real.
how she looked on set vs how she looked in court (worse moment of life may be) that was a biggest lie that juror had to see.
She went from looking like a emo boy to looking like a snack in court. Just saying
Jury say multiple videos of HG on set. Right or wrong being young HG needed to dress the part of safety/armorer. Their is a standard “uniform”. Khaki pants/501s, polo/jacket/baseball cap…plain solid color or with “safety” or “armor” written on it.
You have the right to remain silent.
You should check the gun. Always check
😂 what was he checking for ? He’s an actor and not responsible for or required to have the knowledge necessary to know what he was looking at. It’s incomprehensible to all of these people that any live rounds would be on set . Ever. Even the guy who got shot literally refused to believe he was shot by an actual bullet. They had to show him the x ray of the bullet inside him to shut him up. The facts are that they probably did come from Seth Kenny and Hannah didn’t have the knowledge or experience to spot them and didn’t check the rounds when she received them
@@MrProfchaos71being an actor isn’t a get out of jail free card. If you pick up a gun, you are the one that’s ultimately responsible for your safety and that of those around you. Go take a gun safety course.
@MrProfchaos71, I'd still check it if I were in his shoes. Perhaps I'm just paranoid.
I agree he should have checked. But how does he know the difference between live rounds and blanks? He's not the expert
@@MrProfchaos71i wish i could be as woefully ignorant and negligent like you. please never get your hands on a weapon for the safety of the general public 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
She wasn’t charged with tampering with evidence but was rightly found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. 😢
HG was charged with tampering for the “coke”. Jury found not guilty on the tampering count.
The jury instructions elements specifically said the State had to prove it was Coke (YT friendly term).
@@North_West1Even if they did prove it was Coke, I don't think that should be a criminal offense. If she brought Pepsi to the set, then she would deserve to do hard time in the slammer.
The picture of women who passed looks like younger version of Shirley Jones, RIP
It's an important position - being in charge of firearms, anywhere. And this was just a kid with purple hair an appreciation for weed. You don't put that kind of responsibility onto a person like that. She looks like somebody who'd be all loosy-goosy with the safety rules.
I was an air cadet when when I was a kid. We'd go to the range. We'd fire live rounds. Every time - before firing anything - we'd go through a protocol and safety lecture. Even if we'd done it a thousand times, we'd still have to sit through the lecture. There was no slack cut for breaking the rules. You ignore them, you go home. That was that.
The same kind of strict enforcement should be applied to anyplace where guns are in use.
5:29 wtf the dude behind her
I think it's Hannas's boyfriend and the intense scratching looks like side effects from doing crystal meth.
@@iettord3124I didn't expect a sensible answer but that makes sense
Quite the itch 😂
To me her attitude and demeanour come across as soo entitled and just didn't care about anyone except herself. Lets hope being in jail for awhile will improve her attitude and her mothers.
I dont like she never shows any remorse!
Actually she was found not guilty of the tampering with evidence, only guilty of involuntary manslaughter
I think he said "charged" not convicted.
Charging Baldwin is a waste of time, these weapons were props and were to have blanks in them, never real bullets, you hire two people for that duty and they screw up and someone dies. Baldwin was suppose to feel safe as well as those around him, BECAUSE THOSE GUNS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOADED.
The gun was not supposed to have blanks in it.
The most liberal braindead take, he pointed it at someone off screen when filming had stopped. Hes liable just as she was.
@@ddegnIt was not supposed to have live ammo in it!!
Logic doesn't work on some people
I don't think it's a waste of time to charge him.
I think he failed to follow safety protocol, and as a seasoned actor with familiarity in firearms he absolutely knew better than that.
Imo I'd be interested in hearing what part he took in hiring HGR and why.
To assign somebody with such little experience to such an important position is quite remarkable and you have to question why that was.
I have a feeling that he knew he'd have an easy time overriding HGR's authority in order to play reckless gunslinger unchallenged
I didn't even know life bullets could be used while filming.
Accountability must be legally assigned to those who are ultimately responsible for Halyna Hutchins' shooting death. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed has already been found guilty; but I'm sure the ball does not stop with her.
You only have one job to do.
Gotta love how they "cleaned her up" after this happened and the investigation/"interrogations" into her started.
She is completely awful and should have Never had a job like that.
I'm not sure about "awful". They made a mistake in the beginning by not having more than one person checking. NOBODY expects to have live rounds, so I'm sure she wasn't being extra cautious. She had two different jobs...too much for one person. She should have stepped down from one so that all of her attention should be where it should be. There is definitely more people that have responsibility for this .... and Alec Baldwin should know: It's a rule of handling any gun, you don't point a gun, EVEN UNLOADED, you NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYONE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT INTENDING TO SHOOT.
Daddy
On top of that, how many armorers are required per number of actors with guns in a scene? Because in many movies there are many actors with guns in scenes and I imagine a single person can't be expected to control everything all of these actors may do with the guns and be constantly responsible for the condition of all of the weapons simultaneously.
Look at the way he shoots,pointing guns,still shooting when they say cut and the director say mother fr that's wrong Mr Baldwin
His trial is this summer.
She was in charge of firearms on set, that was her job. A firearm was used on set that was improperly handled by the armoror and improperly used by an actor and ended someone's life. Both people are responsible. But no matter what, that gun, and every gun on set, was her responsibility.
Agree, If not the armorer responsibility for ensuring weapon safety on set. Why have an armorer?
Excellent breakdown! Thank you!
Hannah should be charged for those hair colors
The colored hair was a punishment for an earlier crime. No one in their right mind would voluntarily color their hair that way.
She was again given the option of prison or having her hair colored again. This time and she rightfully chose prison. Living in prison is much more dignified than living with the absurd hair coloring.
Yes, I'm joking. It's amazing she willingly colored her hair that way in the past. It's kind of amazing how much better she looked in court than how she looked in those past videos.
Hanna Gutierrez Reed was never qualified to be an armoror. Her stepfather is Thell Reed who if a very well known marksman and armorer and she rode his coattails to gain that petition.
I can't see how other colleagues and workmates wanting the armorer fired prior to the event has anything to do with her responsibility for the event. Either she brought live rounds to the set and loaded them into the gun or she didn't. Period. Defense seems to be trying to say everyone "had it in for her" - as if that has anything to do with the facts. I'd say that the bad opinion of her coworkers well in advance of the event was a big red flag and points to the high probability that she was, indeed, very sloppy. Ain't helping the defense to try and muddy the water, here. Are other people guilty of sloppiness? Duh. Let's bring them to trial as well, but their action does not let the armourer off the hook.
PDQ (Kenny) had 1 month to clean up and get rid of all live 45 LR in the store. Everyone involved is more or less lying in this trial.
He even admitted to giving them live ammunition in the form of the henry rifle ammo.
They had live ammunition AND provided them with at least some
It's not up to the supplier to police how the production company uses the ammunition supplied. If that was the case, every auto manufacturer would be responsible for drunk drivers.
@@buckhorncortez nobody said that, he had a month to toss evidence to cover for his employee Sarah Zachary who testified to loading guns while hanna wasn’t present
Didn’t they prove thru dates and 9,000+ pictures that the live bullets were there before Mr. Kenney’s brought ammo there?
@@floivanus Then that's a police negligency problem for not investigating immediately. Sitll, is not his problem as he has no idea what the police would consider evidence without being told by the police or the DA's office materials to preserve.
Defense attourneys head looks like a UFO.
Nobody else is saying it. Everyone is thinking it.
How did she go from not hot to smoking hot in trial?
Lost weight in jail and got rid of the clown hair 😂
I wish they would recap the jury instructions on these
If she was charged, Lord help Alec. He's going to be held accountable for killing her
If you do the crime, you do the time..
Great breakdown- as always! Thanks for the content
Thanks for the summary!
Still spins me out that they use functional weapons on any set 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Functional weapons have always been used on movie sets. How do you think blanks are fired?
Real guns are almost always used on movie sets. Normally an armorer makes sure they are used safely. The movie industry has a very good gun safety record overall.
How could someone not know who they are suing???
I appreciate the "Recap" episodes of Law & Crime.
I felt for the breaking bad grip. His emotion and trauma felt so genuine
38:23 What i find odd is OSHA saying she was not provided enough time to do her due diligence on set by her employer. Like what, checking the ammo between each shot? Seems basic to me.
You need the entire story. She was given nine production days in total for armorer activities. If they were not on consecutive days, she would not get paid for the days she didn't work. To make up for that and allow more flexibility in the shooting schedule, they also assigned her to props. She had two jobs that conflicted with each other for her time.
She was doing dual duty. On the day of the incident she was officially prop master not armorer To cut costs producers had her doing 2 jobs usually handled by 2 separate people. It is easy to miss things when you are asked to do the job of two people.
Cases like these are always so frustrating because they never fails to stray off-topic. Not related to this particular case, but they could've gone off trails and talked about the technicalities around what alloy a round is made of, or the entire history of a particular barrel.
That one lawyer legit laughing lmao 44:14
Complacency.
Surprised none of them blamed it on TDS.
We’ll hear it at Alec’s trial. Probably his defense
TDS ?
Oh, so now it's Jon Stewart's fault??
47:32 No. I'd say his valid argument will be "I'm the actor, I don't expect live rounds to be on set. The armorer handed me the gun so I will always assume its safe". When they hand guns over to the actors aren't they supposed to say "safe" pointing out they've checked it?
The prosecutors own expert armourer testified that actors aren't required to personally perform safety checks and that such checks add nothing to safety. The Armourer was supposed to check the ammo when loading the gun and check it again with the AD. That is where the safety comes from. The actor is allowed to check the gun themselves but it doesn't add anything because they aren't experts.
Baldwin shitting his pants rn
or he could be thinking they proved she was responsible and might think he's off the hook. Not saying he is just saying.
I hope so but I doubt it. She’s taking the fall
Absolutely. He is more guilty than her. He literally admitted to holding the gun that killed Hutchins.
@@lefse2278 bro was swinging that gun around like a lunatic in that clip. They gonna go hard at Baldwin
He could be thinking he's safe by scapegoating her but his actions, as well as it not actually happening during the movie, just him screwing around should have him scared. Especially since he said he didn't pull the trigger and forensics proved otherwise
I don't know how it will be viewed legally, but Baldwin definitely carries blame here too. He should know to check a weapon before pointing and firing it at a human being.
We shall see soon enough. He broke all 4 safety rules for firearms.
I do know that safety needs to be put 1st in every single production and they haven’t been held truly accountable in centuries - they hide behind Workmans Comp and the code of silence. ( IMO)
*involving homicide. *with the one who pulled....
* have (not gave) * with the one
But this is the acting world. In a real life setting, of course a person should not point a gun at anyone. But how was he to know that he needed to check this prop gun? He put his trust in the person who does that job.
@@Kathryn-qs1tbI agree. It’s absolutely terrible what happened. It’s horrible. But I do not believe he is to blame. He is an actor and should not be held accountable because of the consequences of the negligence of the person who was responsible in the situation the (armorer). She doesn’t even seem to be phased by the severity of the situation or how it had traumatized and impacted the lives of everyone; especially the family husband and son. Above all a person died as a result. More then anything; Perhaps her father is partially to blame for not ensuring she was trained properly or not supervising her, considering he is her father, and seems like a conflict of interest by being the person to have solely allowed her to be on the set with other people while not being competent enough to do so. She was more concerned about people knowing who her dad was then doing her job right and was piggybacking off his reputation then building her own rapport . Does she understand or care about anyone else?, clearly not. The father should have been there ensuring she was properly supervised and trained. Done so as her father and person who showed her the ropes; also as her father, he should’ve known that she had a drug issue which also I believe played a part in her negligence. So in regard to Alec Baldwin; There are some really unfortunate circumstances and coincidences regarding him actually shooting somebody but in no way do I think it is responsible or in any way is his fault for shooting the gun that was opposed to be filled with blanks there should’ve never been any real bullets even on the premises of the property, let alone loaded into the gun and handed over to him. He obviously would assume that the person responsible for ensuring that it didn’t have real bullets is handing off a prop gun and should not have expected anymore. At the end of the day he did what he was hired to do as an actor, where as she failed. Despite all this he will bear the guilt of being the one who pulled the trigger, and that will surely be lasting a lifetime and that undoubtedly will be a life long sentence. That alone should be enough for anyone.
She is the one who loaded the gun!! So yeah she is guilty, not the person shooting it and also she was found guilty so why are u guys still saying Alec Baldwin should be charged
Because he will be charged, he wave around a firearm, off screen, when filming had stopped hes just as negligent as her.
Imagine telling your boss no...... thats what hannah had to put up with
He is the producer. In other words, this is his business operation. There was a pattern of negligence throughout the filming and he allowed it.
Because he discharged the weapon
And they hired a novice to do a real job. Cost cutting cost someone's life.
What were real bullets doing in the scene?!!!
If you were paying attention to the entire trial, the answer is - no one knows.
@@buckhorncortez I was paying attention but they should keep asking themselves that
It was a collective failure! What a tragedy! rip Halyna
Why did they say he pointed the gun at the judge when he didnt
Any Armorer would have been fired if they told Alec to stop rushing (and Gutierrez knew it). So basically she should have quit?
That is what the expert armourer said. He said you have to put your foot down and outline the standards and if the producers or directors refuse to abide by safety standards then you have to refuse to participate. That would have saved her a conviction. I would say how difficult it would have been to actually check the gun before handing it to the AD and ultimately Baldwin? The crew quit and they sat around for 3 hours which is enough time to check every round in the ammo box. There were 30 rounds in the box and it probably would take 30 seconds per round to check it out.
I certainly wouldn't want her working for me in any capacity! Seems lackadaisical
Doesn't matter whether it was loaded or unloaded Alec Baldwin should have never pointed that gun at that lady or in the direction of that lady that was his responsibility not to pull the trigger nor should he have ever pulled it in her direction onyx unsafe measures of a gun in any which way shape or form is a threat to somebody's life and should be never be taken lightly you never aim a gun unless you intend to use it movie or no movie I own multiple firearms and in my life I would never let anybody point a gun at me
This defense lawyer is absolute garbage.
I'm brand new to this case. That being said, I don't think this girl was qualified for that job on so many different levels. I think responsibility needs to come from the top down
Even an 18 month Max sentence will allow HG to go back to school, start a career (new field) and live her life to fullest.
New Mexico law only restricts felon gun rights for 10 years after completion of sentence.
I heard from a lawyer on a TV show that predicted she would likely only serve 3 months and have her record expunged in 12 months. This doesn't have to ruin her life although it will end her Hollywood career.
I should be compensated for how loud the beep at the start was
Hannah's actions couldn't reasonably be expected to result in injury . The injury was a result of Alec Baldwin's violation of at least 5 gun safety rules as well as industry-wide rules. If the gun had been handled properly, no one would have been hurt, live round or not.
Rule #1 : All guns are always loaded.
Rule #2 : Never allow the muzzle to cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Rule #3 : Keep your finger off the trigger until the gun comes on target.
If baldy walks on this, it will be because of $$$ & a blatant disregard of justice.
What about hiring a more experienced armor and not a little girl who doesn’t know very much who’s responsibility is that?
Thats productions fault for being cheap. Aka Baldwin
This is a travesty of justice , they both are Guilty
Please explain. One person has been convicted, and Alec Baldwin's trial starts in July.
Since this chick was found guilty I bet Alec will walk
highly doubtful--he's equally guilty if not more.
I've been a movie extra in three western films. In those three films, I was involved with the same production company and director. I was also allowed to bring my own firearm with me since it was in fact, a low budget movie and when I did, the armorer inspected it and instructed every actor and crew to inspect them while on set before giving the final green light. Moral of the story is EVERYONE is a safety and it is everyone's responsibility to check a firearm and make sure it isn't loaded with live ammo. Alec Baldwin and Hannah Reed need more accountability
When people are testifying against Hannah looks like she wishes she could say more but other times is very motionless like.
Needless to say, Reed paved the way for Baldwin's freedom.
EXACTLY 💯 THAT MAN STAYS IN TROUBLE 🤦♀️
This court procedure had ‘GREAT’ lawyers? They had good moments, so asking for Morgan and Morgan is a nope.
A 20 years old woman taking responsibility with guns & bullets for a set is ridiculous
She shirked her responsibilities as an armorer and should have never been hired for that job. It's going to be interesting to see how Baldwin fares in his trial.
When I interview armorers for my movies…. I always pass on the 27-year-old female with purple hair. Maybe that’s just me.