How the World’s 4 Cryogenics Companies Actually Work
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There is a funny story with KrioRus.
At some point there was a conflict between the owners and one of them decided to move the bodies to another location. Other owners didn't like the idea, so she organized a heist. They literally cut the hole in the warehouse wall, took the containers (also they drained the liquid nitrogen, so the containers were not cooled for quite some time), loaded into trucks and tried to escape.
They were stopped by road patrol and the containers were returned to the warehouse, but who knows what damage has been done to the bodies by uncontrollable thawing
For 15k I'm not surprised
@@VitaeLibra Any country can fall to corruption and stuff, but to do it in Russia, where's it's present day reality, seems like begging to get dethawed too early during some stupid heist.
@@AsifIcarebear3 Dethawed lol?
I want to get frozen. Not necessarily to live forever, that's the bonus. I just like the idea of some poor lab tech having to refill my liquid nitrogen tank for the next century, serving my corpse like some modern day Egyptian pharaoh.
This....
This is the most reasonable reason to be frozen.
15k is pretty reasonable for something like that tbh
@@balazsh2 for 15k they'll probably play football with your head once they get fed up with maintaining it
@@lazarskrbicimagine reincarnating as the one who plays football with your head in a thousand years as a form of karmic punishment for the heresy of seeking immortality
Same
Microwaves were being investigated to possibly revive people. Interestingly, the process works pretty solidly on hamsters... but doesn't scale up well.
So like a frozen meal then?
Big shouts to James Lovelock
lmao, no. Microwaves don't revive hamsters; if something is flash frozen really quickly whilst still alive, you can use microwaves to thaw them out uniformly and thus 'revive' them; the key thing here, though, is that death never actually occurred, so they weren't revived; they were just thawed out uniformly (a non-uniform thaw can lead to death).
This is why a human needs to be flash frozen whilst still alive; they claim that doing this soon after you die is good enough, but it isn't. This is because when the person dies, their brain is irreversibly damaged. For instance, my grandmother was dying in the hopstial, but to 'let her die' and begin this process, we had to "pull the plug."
Thus, her body tried to continue with no assistance, but her breathing failed her and she spasmed for minutes, until she literally died due to 'natural causes.' But those natural causes is your body shutting down and your brain RECEIVING NO OXYGEN FOR MINUTES, WHICH DOES INSANE AND IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE
Tom Scott did a video on this, "I promise this story about microwaves is interesting."
Your source: My ass!
Cryogenics are interesting, I'm just not sure how you could definitively prove that it would work without doing it once.
That's the neat thing, you don't.
if i remember correctly freezing and then thawing actually worked on some small animals, but as soon as test subjects got bigger it just failed.
@@vileex2929 Correct. Hamsters could be successfully revived using a common microwave.
@@redfailhawk in fact thats why they "Invented" the microwave, as they used to thaw them using infrared lights which left burn marks on the hamsters fur.
if it doesn't work you just stay dead anyway, it's no worse than the predicament you're already in
I did a project on Cryogenics back in the 7th grade... This was nearly twenty years ago. Alcor was pretty much the only company that came up back then too lol
7th grade? Most other people's must have been baking soda volcanos or if they were fancy, galvanic potato batteries. What did you do? "How long can Hammy stay in the freezer before it's animal abuse?" jkjk
@@nathansavage8692 it was actually because I was fascinated by it at the time. I even had the plan to save enough money over my lifetime to be able to have it done.
Now though I'd probably only do it if I won the lottery, because yeah, you basically have to give away a large sum of money for the hope that one day we'll have the technology to be able to do it (irregardless of whether or not it'll ever actually be possible)
@@nathansavage8692idk man i feel kids have weirdlt good ideas now. Baking sods volcanoes arent fun. Tho im english and we never readdly did stuff like this because its not really that exciting. Most kids would rather cut up a frogs organs or something
If you did a project on it, you would know it's cryonics, not cryogenics
@@alexeecs tbf I did say it was nearly twenty years ago...
You don't want to freeze the organs and blood vessels as the amount of water present in these areas would form ice which expands in volume and would rupture these areas beyond use. Antifreeze allows what water remains to not form ice crystals while at a temperature cold enough to prevent decay of the organic matter. The more you know~
so just drink antifreeze before getting cryogenically frozen got it
They basically learned it from insects which can be frozen for a various amounts of times. Issue is your metabolism doesn't magically actually get completely frozen but slows down from what I recall. So how they manage to still ya know keep everything alive and kick start it all without damage is... Science fiction for now.
Would be interesting and sure as hell bests downloading your consciousness because that isn't YOU. It is just a copy of you. And that discussion is an entire can of worms on its own.
Do we have a non toxic antifreeze that can stay liquid -300°F?
Not being a smartass, legitimately curious.
@@sandhilltucker idk but i guess you could pump it out later?
@@sandhilltucker Yes and no, the chemical currently used won't damage cells while they're frozen however it has to be inserted into the cells and removed from them fairly quickly in order to not do any damage. That's one of the biggest problems with freezing humans, they are simply too large to avoid ice crystals forming or to evacuate the chemicals quickly enough. We'd need to develop some sort of nano-bot in order to solve this problem but that might be a pipe dream.
I've always found the idea of freezing someone intreseting since 1 of my favorite shows was The CW's The 100, & (without spoiling anything specific) a recurring element during the 2nd half of the series was that people survived the Nuclear Apocalypse due to cryogentically freezing themselves for centuries.
W show
@@Darkk_Vibes “The 100”
soooo....
the fallout series?
@@sementink8844 Less retro futurism more grounded... heh, teen drama with decent action and political intrigue.
Basically If you put the tribals from new vegas, BoS from F3, and F76 vaults into one map.
The ending was pretty bad. She didn't deserve to stick with the crew for what she did.
"and if you don't magically come back to life, you can go to hell."
The writer deserves a raise.
Ben is clearly quite smart, despite how he appears on Jet Lag
@@mt_xing i mean he went to Brown
It would be difficult for a thawed corpse to find a competent lawyer.
@@cragorichard you mean dark orange in context
That's why they are striking
The interesting part of cryogenics is that anyone who is already frozen in a sense already knows if it’s ever going to work because for them if it never comes about to being possible they just stay dead but if it ever becomes possible it’ll be a blink of an eye for them and they’ll suddenly just come back to life like no time passed at all. Fascinating stuff.
That’s sort of why you have a 100% chance to have not died yet. I had a near death experience that seemed so unsurvivable that this was the only way I, idk successfully processed it. Or like explains existence at all, because doesn’t matter how odd if feels it had to have happened for you to feel it
The real issue would be what kind of world and what kind of people are you waking up to.
@@SwagAli If you think about it hard enough, how scared or confused would a person for our century feel if he randomly woke up 1000 years later?
@@Vlad-The-Lad I would imagine technology would be so advanced they could wake you up in an area that might look like something you remember from your era. Then slowly and incrementally exposing you to the new world you've woken up in so as not to send you into shock. Because you're right I've read if we brought a caveman into 2023 the shock would instantly kill him. My concern would be the people who brought me back. Do they have love for you want the best for you want to help you and talk to you? Or do they think you are less than them, uncivilized and unevolved. Maybe they will place you in a zoo. Or maybe worse maybe they will conduct experiments on you. Maybe they will scan your brain and judge you on every thought you've ever had. I think that is the real debate here who and what would you be waking up to.
@@SwagAli I hope your slowly exposing you to the world theory will be correct, and also there may be a chance they may give to technology to be as evolved as the future humans. At the same time, you would be considered historic and they would most likely study how you work first.
There are a bunch of companies that persevere animal tissue for later cloning. One of my parents work for a cloning company called Viagen and a large portion of their business is cryogenically freezing animal cells.
Freezing a cell (or rather the DNA) is not so difficult, it occurs naturally in permafrost for example. The problem is preserving a complex system like a human body or even just the brain. There is no guarantee, or rather no chance, that the millions of fragile connections and electric impulses that make your personality, memories and intelligence will ever come back the exact same way after being shut off for a longer period of time.
So yes, we could clone a Neanderthal with a bit of work, but it would not be the same person that lived so long ago. That's the problem.
@@mistermist634The cells of endangered animals is one of the few forms of cyrogenic preservation that I DO consider worthwhile. Sure, mass-repopulation through cloning is currently science fiction, but it's a proven technology (heck, they've already started cloning black-footed ferrets)
We still don't have the technology to clone primates unfortunately
@@VEVOJavier a company in china cloned a monkey some years ago if I’m not mistaken
@@Ryanraguseo didn't a scientist in china cloned a human
It's really funny that Sam used "cryogenics" when he meant "cryonics", especially when the logo for the Cryonics Institute was on screen.
Cryogenics is the study and production of extremely low temperatures. Cryonics is the freezing and storage of bodies.
If you have subtitles active you can see that too, considering every time he says Cryogenics the subtitles say Cryonics.
This mistake is one the general public also makes
@@illuminaticake4528but as an information desseminator he should do better
That idiot didn't even know what he was talking about.
@@alexeecs true, looking forward to seeing this in his yearly mistakes video
When you fall asleep for 8 or whatever hours a night you wake up and feel like no time has passed. Imagine waking up 100,200 years in the future and getting that same feeling like no time has passed but the world as you knew it is long gone.
Aren't people who wake up from that going to be really traumatized? Though I guess people who were expecting to be cryogenically frozen would be pleasantly surprised.
@@ow4744traumatized? No? There are cases of people waking up from decades old coma, and they are fine. Humans are insanely adaptable.
They’ve pretty much figured out thawing bodies after freezing without exploding them like an over cooked hot pocket, the biggest hurdle is the curing whatever killed you thing, as well as bringing you back after brain death (which who knows if that’s possible at all - the brain might be like RAM, where when it loses power it blanks out and the data is gone forever)
Animal experiments provide strong evidence that memory isn't "volatile" like that..
@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv well did they test like over a long time might be that it is volotile but it just takes time until it all disapears.
Dude you talking about hot pockets made me think you meant curing as in ham and we’re about to talk about cannibalism or something lol. But yeah I think it’s a very safe bet that most of the brain is hardwired and doesn’t go totally blank the moment it stops getting oxygenated blood. The only way I see this being possible is if they somehow scan the brain and recreate it electronically and perhaps maybe you could even put it in their old body. I have so many doubts that even if the companies found out how they would actually go back and revive everyone.
Let's freeze a pizza delivery boy for a millenium and see what happens
We can not freeze him and watch the universe destroy itself
Let's do a little bit of tomfoolery
[ahem] "Welcome... to the WORLD OF TOMORROW!"
Futurama reference?
Only if he is contractually obligated to obtain a mutant girlfriend when he wakes up.
Hey Sam, there's also a downright insane story about KrioRus. A couple of years ago, a co-founder's ex-wife and the founders had a falling out and a fight over the company, equipment and the bodies, apparently involving stealing of the bodies. There's a real chance that the people were partially thawed out when that happened, so they're just storing unrevivable corpses (even if we apply suspension of disbelief in the ability to revive them in the first place, that is)
It is always fascinating to me that if cryogenics does get invented in a way that can revive some or all of these people, from their perspective, it is almost like they have already found out. If your next moment following your death is not waking up in some strange laboratory, then it will never happen.
Never happen… to you
Just wait till dippin’ dots cryogenics LLC gets into the freezing bodies business
What makes you think they already aren't
Ice cream of the indefinite future
I think a good metaphor for cryogenics is if you had a heart disease that was 100% going to kill you, but the doctors say they have a new method that might cure you. They have no clue if it will work, and it will be insanely expensive, but if there’s even a chance, why wouldn’t you take it?
Exactly. It's Pascal's Wager. Even if there's just a 0.001% chance that it'll work, I'd prefer it to death, and if it doesn't work, I'm dead anyways.
The opportunity cost of using that money when u were definitely alive, or of giving it to ppl u care about, presumably
@@tarfeef101 I guess that's up to each individual to decide.
How about using the money to save ppl you care about with cryonics presumably?@@tarfeef101
I mean, the funeral industry is a huge racket anyway. If you're going to blow a bunch of money you can't take with you, it might as well be on the slim possibility of coming back someday if it becomes possible. Worst case, you're dead either way, but being a frozen corpse that is attended by monitoring staff for centuries is cooler than just rotting away in the ground. Or you know, just leave the money to your loved ones.
plus it's a sci-fi. Imagine waking up in the future.
"just leave the money to your loved ones"
So they can use to freeze themselves and live forever while I'm stuck rotting in the ground like some schmuck? Not a chance.
@@Vysair I wake up in the future every day!
@@MoaRider your thoughts are so low.
And what if you ressurected.
Again work , earn , die , ressurect again
And repeat. You will never achieve peace.
Rich people: Hmm, do I spend $200k to get my body frozen and stored safe in a lab somewhere, or $250k to get my body explosively decompressed and strewn about on the Atlantic sea floor?
Not decompressed so much as violently compressed normally, but yeah, definitely the quicker option.
It's not really true that it's only for rich people. The standard way is to pay for it through life insurance, which is a reasonable monthly cost for 200,000$ payout, even less so if only the head is preserved.
So wrong. Just so wrong.
Omg, how well this aged
Spend just enough money for a Viking funeral is my choice
Makes me think of the Simpsons future episode.
"Mr. Burns, we'll thaw you out as soon as we figure out the cure for 17 stab wounds in the back."
ua-cam.com/video/Xn7ikmHTvkE/v-deo.html
Here's the clip
Sam is starting to really like cryogenics
Cryogenics has a number of useful applications, what this is discussing is ,Cryonics, which isn’t as useful, fraught with issues and ethically questionable.
Almost more than bricks
@springbok4015 I left a comment trying to explain this... "cryonics" should've been the word used in the entire video. Cryogenics are super useful, cryonics is not.
I mean, they are really cool
Now he only needs to find a plane that's also a giant freezer and he'd find his new favourite thing
They also take life insurance police for the payment. You can get a life insurance policy for 200k and pay a few hundred dollars a month and when you die get frozen.
If you are interested in more, here is a video, where it is explained how they brought hamsters back to life after being frozen and why it doesn't easily work on humans
It's 12 minutes long and starts with microwaves
It is "I promise this story about microwaves is interesting" by Tom Scott, right?
@@integre23 Of course! But if you tell someone, that this the video to watch next, they probably won't do it; the title works only if you like and trust Tom Scott
unfortunately in said video it's revealed that the process didn't scale up well to human sized animals. Oh well
Pretty sure this is not 'Cryogenics' but cryonics?
Anyway, this channel is really funny and interesting. As a fifty four year old man I love the stories, writing, humor and editing. Taking something so morbid and ethically questionable and making me laugh.
Keep it going Sam. Wendover is alright too...😆
Terminology matters. Thank you!
He realized his mistake atleast, as you can see from the captions
@@toseltreps1101 No worries. One of those is actually a proven the other is Han Solo in Carbonite.
@@interpretus eh. What is life without giving shit to one of UA-cams best creators and a kid half my age who shares my humor?
@@miked51 Fair point.
Cryonics my guy, not cryogenics. Cryogenics is just anything to do with cryogenic liquids e.g. liquid nitrogen
I think it's a smart move to have yourself cryogenically preserved. The reason why is because if you have that kinda money at the time of your death you can't take it with you anyways so you might as well gamble it on a chance to come back to life....otherwise you're just gonna die and lose the money and have it be wasted
I mean, you could give hundreds of thousands of dollars to a company who doesn't know when, how, or if they can revive you.
Or, just putting it out there, you could pass it down to relatives to help them live their lives.
@hartham444 true, $200k is serious money
And lets be honest, resurrection is not possible. Let the soul rest in peace
and also, what would happen legally if you do come back?
@@zappyapp In the US, there is a legal process that is usually used for people believed dead in an accident who turn up much later, but it is terrible.
@@derkommissar4986 Resurrection isn't possible now....and it's a long shot that it will ever be, but it is possible. Not likely maybe, but there's a chance
As anyone who’s spent any amount of time doing CryoEM or even protein purification can tell you, vitrification is difficult even on the scale of microliter’s of liquid. Pretty safe to say whatever they do in freezing bodies these days will be irreversible.
Tom Scott has a video about Cavity Magnetrons, the thing in your microwave that creates heat. A scientist who did some work on the subject, James Lovelock, showed Tom how to bring a Hampster that is frozen solid, back to life within a very short time in the microwave. It worked, Mr Lovelock said he had done this sort of thing many times, as part of his research.
Thank you, to the disembodied voice behind the screen, another great video. I was expecting it to be a very chilling experience.
4:45 "small group of people characterized by great devotion" is the best description for a cult
3:36 As someone who has lived in Minnesota…
Fair statement.
I think the advancement of cryogenics is gonna be integral for interstellar or even intergalatic travel because it will allow the length of trips to be greatly extended as well as decreasing the energy expended during
Even if you got biological immortality anyway. The shear mass needed to keep someone awake housed, fed, and entertained... It could be done but for the same effort you could probably send 10 sleeper ships instead.
Wait but why puts it plainly: normal death has a 0% chance of survival, being preserved long enough to a time where the technology to revive you exists is very low odds, but it isn't zero. Wouldn't you take that gamble?
it is zero
@@boygenius538_8 nah
Why you want to live again?
That is literally the Pascal's wager
2:33 Half as Interesting: "...and pumped with the following chemicals"
CEO: **blink**
CEO: "Oh good he didn't show any"
I think Sam has mispronounced "cryonics", as the script suggests, like 20 times in the video.
So he's an amateur?
This video gets a few things incorrect. For one, Alcor is not a non-profit, and the video seems to imply that it's a for-profit businesses. Secondly, very few if any patients pay $200k upfront; the vast majority have life insurance policies which include Alcor as a beneficiary. Finally, nobody is under any illusions that revival is guaranteed, or even likely, ever. For anyone interested, you should read Wait But Why on Cryonics or on a more serious note the Scientists' Open Letter on Cryonics.
Shhh you're interrupting the circlejerk. The smart move is clearly to just die and take your money to heaven. That's how it works right, you take it with you?
Even if my chances are merely 0.0001% of revival. I still would prefer that rather than endless darkness.
The more basic question is if any of the antifreeze chemical involved in cryonic preservation is a known carcinogenic and if they can alter the Human genetic information, because as we know the body depends on it in the eventual reanimation of a dead individual or even cloning and transferring it's consciousness somehow in the remote future.
I was really hoping this was a Wendover video… this topic is worthy of more! I need more information!!
Pretty sure someone will figure out how to revive people that are frozen in liquid nitrogen sometime in the future. Problem is, can you really keep a person frozen long enough until someone else finds a way to revive them?
Keeping them frozen is fairly easy and cheap so long as civlisation sticks around. But other processes mean you probably have a limited time of 2000 years or so in which to get revived.
@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv i mean that is assuming the company is still in busness 5000+ years in the future and your body are just not thrown away which is kinda a big ask
@@zzzzaaaa9966 Well like I said, the limit is probably closer to 2k years anyway but it's a matter of when the tech is there for revival, if it's possible at all, which I think people who go for this are thinking is more like 50 to 200 years. Plenty of organisations around that long and should he doable with funds in trust, but still a risk it might not work out.
@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv yeah very fair, in the end, I guess it is a type of thing money is worthledss when you are dead and if there is a slim chance you can get revived this way it better then no chance
Also, would you really want to be revived? By the time they have this figured out, they probably also have figured out how to extend the human life indefinitely. I mean otherwise why revive someone to only have them pass away again some time later. Sure, you could say 10 extra years is 10 extra years but after waking up you would have to start from scratch, not knowing anyone, having to relearn societal habits and norms, finding a way to maintain yourself within said society, etc.... It would take time to adjust.
So you would come back in this totally different world, one that almost certainly feels unfamiliar in every single way. It will have problems you won't even understand, let alone know how to deal with (overpopulation because of the whole life extension thing for example). And it probably won't go well for you. A good example are defectors from North Korea. The people who manage to escape and cross the border to South Korea have a very difficult time adjusting and are being marginalized and outcasted.
It might seem like a fantasy to wake up in the future, but I'm sure it will be way more traumatizing than we probably realize.
So, the amount of stuff they put into the body is quite interesting, in short:
Some stuff to prevent system shock (prolly after wake up if ever), neutralise stomach acid, give oxygen to the blood, antibiotics and to prevent blood clots, not sure if hexastarch is also used to supply energy after wake up. But still quite interesting
Part of what makes the model somewhat work is just that it's pretty low risk for the kinds of people that can afford it.
Like, I'm already dead. What is the cost of them not being able to bring me back? $200k but I'm dead.
What's the benefit if I can come back? Quite huge.
Reminds me of one of my favorite This American Life episodes: Mistakes Were Made, about all the grift and delusion of early crygenics
"And if you don't magically come back to life, you can go to hell" omg, fucking dead
The egyptians did the same during 3000BC. Now we call them mummies.
I thought it was cryonics that was the study of freezing bodies with the aim of reanimation. Cryogenics being the study of cold stuff in general
Well wait doesn’t that answer what you’re implying? All cryogenics would be cryonics but not all cryonics would be cryogenics type stuff. I’m assuming he said cryogenics and you’re correct that it was probably a mix up even though still technically correct
@@monhi64 precisely
So if they didn't revive you, but you DID have recourse... I mean, what would that even look like? 😂
You retain the services of a law firm and all its successors for centuries? Have an AI become a lawyer, and then turn it loose on the internet?
@@froobas I guess that checks out! Lol
I think your estate would sue them, but without dates in the contract the company would need to admit they won't bring you back, which they'd never do.
If you're legitimately thinking about cryo (the only legal way to commit suicide in the US) definitely ask them how many times they've lost power in their cryo facilities. The one in AZ is up to like 3 or 4 now if I remember correctly
If you get frozen in liquid nitrogen then powerless shouldn't matter right? It is not like they are using a freezer.
@@redthegamer12It depends on the quality of your container and how long the power is out. The newer containers of my university only evaporate 1% of their volume in 24 hours without cooling, so the powr will probably be fixed before it becomes a problem
@@noavanderhoorn2996 you dont even need electricity to refill the tanks, unless its a national blackout and you cant source the nitrogen
Have you ever heard of backups?
@@alexeecs you backing up your mind before they freeze you? If you can back up your mind then why would you need to freeze your body. If you mean back up to the power, try that in a hospital, just pull the power for a little bit. The guy on the breathing machine will be fine right?
Tbh, I think this the best option around right now, so I'm on board.
Hey man, loved the video. I think you're referring to Cryonics instead of Cryogenics.
My girlfriend's got an Alcor contract. The amount of jokes about throwing her into the freezer if she gets a minor injury would fill a book.
wendover on future: insane logistic of reviving frozen dead human
It might be the case that if Sam tried this he'd finally have some chill when it comes to this sort of thing. Today though, things that need roasting and getting roasted.
They forgot another cryogenic 5th location and it’s in Las Vegas, NV. It’s a huge warehouse red and black heavily guarded fortress across the 215 freeway not far from the strip called Switch.
The Cryogenics Institute? I've played enough video games to recognize the name of a bad guy organization when I hear one. I don't know what they're really up to, but it's not just flash freezing Aunt Mabel.
i love biology themed videos
Doing a Dippin dot video for a throw away line in the next, mad respect
You were reading comments and now are wondering why so many people are so excited about some random Amazon product.
Me too traveller, take a rest here
I'm just going down and reporting them for being spam bots
Shout-out to Scottsdale, Arizona!
it's called cryonics, cryogenics is the study of generating cold temperatures
Regardless of where cryonics is today, space exploration research will likely pursue its own concept of cryogenic suspended animation, and given the amount of people that may one day live and work in space that area of research may be huge. However, there is no reason to think that cryo stasis can really be anything beyond highly sophisticated corpse preservation; if we do perfect it there is a good chance that the same methods can be applied to these corpsicles (with varying chaces of success). So the probability of modern cryonics paying off may actually much higher than we realize just for that reason alone.
I can't help but think the process of resurrection will cost millions in the future if it ever occurs
When I die I want my skull to be perfectly preserved and passed to my descendants generation to generation so I can apply psychological pressure on them. To my descendants in 200 years: I may be dead, but I will still force you to get a life.
I didn't know they had solved the ice crystal issue. Guess that's some progress.
0:45 omg its me
I very much liked the editing and the puns in that video ❤
You guys are on a cryogenics kick. 6 days after the Dippin Dots Cryogenics LLC vid, we here have the Dippin Humans Cryogenics vid
Remind me why Scottsdale, Arizona is a good place to store frozen corpsicles? You'd think the aforementioned Minnesota might cost a bit less....
My main concern is how these companies maintain control of these bodies in the future. I'm sure there's several science fiction books about hostile takeovers or heists where the bodies could be revived for slavery, torture, or 🤷♂ who knows what else! In a future with less human rights protections, it might be absolutely legal to revive someone who was born before your country was founded and hunt them for sport!
Thats why I hate but also love this concept. I would love to be reviewed, but I am scared what I would see on the other side.
1. They take your money.
2. You die.
3. They spend your money.
4. They retire.
5. They die.
6. Someone turns the freezer off.
Ah. Cyrogenics the start of so many great science fiction books the 2 that come most to mind is a heinlein book that started with an alive person and turned them into an alive person in a few centuries, and the bob books which started with a dead person and ended with a space probe in a theocracy in a few centuries. Honorable mention being the vorcosican saga which had people getting killed on the battlefield and able to be revived latter provided all the blood was removed and the anti-freeze was good.
There was a Larry Niven book that also had a protagonist that had died in 1972 and was revived 3 centuries later by a dictatorial earth wide government that didn't give him any legal rights. So they pressed him into their interstellar space program.
that's actually a lot cheaper than the I thought. and it's not like you can take the money with you.
You guys probably didn't know about KrioRus' embarrassing internal scandal which happened back in 2021. Formerly married co-founders of the company didn't manage to agree on some terms with containing freezed bodies of their clients and there was major operation including breaking down of the wall of the storage and literally theft of a few dewars WITH HUMAN BODIES IN THEM as well as tv show reviewing all this shit and other staff... Yeah, that was a strange time. And I don't exactly know what happened aftermath, but it's safe to say reputation of the KrioRus was severely tarnished...
$200,000 sounds like a reasonable sum for such a venture. Perhaps I will add it to my plans for the future.
For technological Resurrection the three ideas I can think of are as follows.
Note: legally, spiritually, and philosophically...these ideas might be considered as a type of reincarnation = possibly the original person would still be considered to be dead, but a 'copy' that has most of the memories and personality of the original could get inheritance and identity of the original. Complex and difficult to define the status of these people who might or might not be the same person...depending on who you ask about it.
1st: if scanners that are as accurate as Star Trek transporters would have to have exist, then many variations would be plausible for creating a new version of the person...or what seems harder because of entropy = repairing as best as feasible all flaws, then defibrillator to start heart.
2nd: this seems like the least controversial and possibly the easiest. This is a memory scanner implanted while alive, cloning tech is very good, memories are implanted into a clone that is scanned and verified to have no memories...a blank slate. This is a common technology for the rich and middle class in the story Judas Unchained...but the poor cannot afford it in that story.
3rd: Millions of really tiny robots injected into a body that was just thawed from Nitrogen Storage. Robots can be really dumb; as long as a system exists to control them via wireless communication this is fine. Good understanding of genetics is needed. And neuroscience and biology in general. So robots correct any flaws detected + attempt to reconnect Brain Cells in the best way to maximize memories that still exist. This unless it is the very best version possible...would likely result in 10% to 90% memory loss; too much damage to repair properly...and the personality changes from having missing memories. But for family members that miss their loved ones even a ten percent of who they love...could become a newish person who is similar, and acquire new memories and be loved as a new similar person. For people some would become delusional and falsely believe it still IS the same person...and this could have many bad results depending on how passionate they are in the delusion.
Everyone knows you're supposed to store heads in jars with opalescence.
There's a good movie about cryonics called ReAlive (2016), it may put you off ever wanting to try it though.
Even if I could be brought back from death, I will still have an old and crippled body. What am I to do? Find new friends, look for a job, a new partner, only to die again due to my old age?
Its going to be young body, and you can put money 5 to 10 thousand $ for future when you wakeup if
I've wondered how Alcor is a sustainable business because charging the family annual fees will eventually run out and now you have space taken up and more overhead but taking a big chunk of the money and investing it *should* guarantee ROI which in turn is an endless annual fee from interest.
I fully intend to pursue this. I figure, why not? Even if the probability of success is low, it's not zero, and that's better than nothing imo. Accepting mortality is so *cliche*. I've researched this technology pretty extensively, and honestly, I'm pretty optimistic about the technology itself. There's nothing in the laws of physics or biology that should prevent it from working. And to the credit of the companies, admitting that the technology is still hypothetical differentiates them from a lot of actual scams. What I'm much more worried about is the social stability required to keep the technology functioning. There's so many things that could go wrong while you're cold - wars, economic collapse, hostile legal intervention, coolant shortages, infrastructure failures, or even just a lack of staff to keep the operations running. And then you have to hope that somebody on the other end will be incentivized to wake you up once they can. It's difficult to know if things like the stock market will even exist like that point, or if humans of that future will have any sentiment for the humans of now. It's all a little bleak. So instead I'd much rather doctors find treatments for aging before I need to fall back to cryogenics. But the current trajectory of our social and scientific development has made me feel pretty grim about that prospect as well. Sigh.
"Sorry kids you cant go to College, your grandmother wanted to be frozen"
@@schinkenspringer1081 It's not actually as expensive as typically believed, as the standard way is to finance it using life insurance.
The biggest problem is that freezing destroys your cells and it is possible to prevent that, but you get problems with bigger animals and getting the anti freezing material into the brain
"Accepting mortality is so cliche"
Sounds like something a super villain would say. I respect it.
You die whether or not you accept it, cliche or not, you are better off living with the knowledge of your mortality than deluding yourself into thinking there is any other possibility.
Cryogenics is the study of low temperature biology. It has officially disavowed cryonics, which is odd because that is the #1 most important thing the field could study. Apparently, they wanted to make sure a field that sounds pretty useless, like studying how worm lava survives freezing, actually was useless. It would be like if rather than figuring out how to split an atom, physicists declared that it was not only impossble but "wasn't physics", redifined physics to be the effect of forces on atoms, and made anyone who tried to accomplish it say they weren't phyicistists but practicing "atomics". Personally i just don't think a bunch of whole-in-wall pure-science academics wanted the press, and probably had no skills that would be applicable to actually reviving a dead person.
Replacing the blood with antifreeze is fine, if all you want to recover later is blood vessels right on the inner circumference of the blood vessels. It does nothing to prevent the water inside cells from freezing, which ruptures the cells. Care to guess what the most common component is in brain cells?
brake fluid
I'm really curious to know the ongoing cost of keeping each cryo running. How much does it cost per year?
They're generally not "running" as such, you just top off the liquid nitrogen and that's pretty cheap.
@@AlexSwanson-rw7cv true but there must be facility, staff, operational costs involved in just keeping the company alive
@@zzzzaaaa9966 Oh yeah, there are costs for the trust fund to cover. But not nearly as high as you might imagine.
Even if somebody can be fully frozen and eventually perfectly thawed back, is still dead, who can influx life again? Frankenstein?
I find it funny that in their contract they cover themselves in the case that the dead person sues them for not bringing them back to life. I guess it's meant to be if families sue them but like can they even do that? Can you sue on behalf of a dead relative?
in most cases you are allowed to sue somone on behalf of someone else if they are not able to themself, there have litterly been thousands of wrongful death lawsuit ect, but it might be a much harder claim 1000 years in the future when your only relatives are so distant that they dont even know your name
The hospital can send threatening collection letters to the family of a dead relative days after dying in their care, so I don't see why not.
@@glarynth Well those don't actually carry any legal weight. You're completely free to ignore them, debt isn't generational.
If I had the money I'd sign up now. In the meantime I'll just keep studying so I can learn enough to start working towards mind upload.
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My understanding is that what you are talking about is cryonics. Cryogenics is the more general field of very cold things. In fact, when you mentioned Cryonics Institute, you called it Cryogenics Institute.
Honestly, if you are a multi-millionare and can causally afford the 200k, I don't see a reason why not to do this. Sure, maybe you'll end up a corpsicle forever, but unlike cremation, there's still a chance
Your insights are concise and profound. The explanation was well thought out.
ChatGPT, is that you?
He also somehow managed to confuse cryonics(what he actually talked about) with cryogenics, which, albeit related to the topic here are much broader than this.
I would say proceed with caution.
If you like cryogenics shenanigans, I recommend Cryoburn by Lois McMaster Bujold :)
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anyone who cryogened post mortem will never come back
Now I need to go watch the first decent TNG episode.
I can’t believe they were allowed to freeze that guy against his wishes??? That’s insane
did anyone else start to get a sinking dread that Amy might show up in this video?
4000 Years ago Egyptian preserve dead body, hoping one day he will come back.
This is probably contemporary version of that concept lol.
One of the worst thing about all of this is that in the unlikely scenario where you do get revived, you may not even be considered a person. Dennis E. Taylor's book "We are legion (We are Bob)" is a pretty good example in which the protagonist is brought back as an ai, is legally owned by the new government (I won't go into the story behind it) and is supposed to be used as a public program and deleted if proving to not be useful
i want to be revived but i don’t want be used by future governments. i probably have to state that in my contract.
Fun fact: the reason it's bad when ice crystals form in the blood and organs (because it is not good when ice crystals form in the blood and organs) is because those ice crystals are actually quite sharp, even though they're so tiny. As soon as they start forming they start making tiny punctures in the surrounding tissue, and will pretty much completely shred the cells around them as your body freezes. This is one (of quite a few) of the things that kills your cells during hypothermia and such, and given that severe cases of that require straight up amputation, you can imagine why it's not good when ice crystals form in the blood and organs.
No? That's not how hypothermia works. You are long dead by the time ice crystals form. Your risk of dying increases massively below 32 C body temp and ice crystals form at 0 C.
You might be thinking of frostbite which is caused by that effect, however while frostbite can lead to injuries that can eventually kill you, it doesn't have the same pathophysiology as hypothermia.
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Lmao the title led me to believe this would have been about air liquide, air products and Linde