Black Medical Exploitation | Why African Americans Distrust Medicine | US History | Extra History
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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Doctors often run into difficulties when reaching out to communities of color and the black community in particular. Outside of the regular financial barriers to healthcare, there's a greater lack of trust & faith that the health care system is meant to help. And this skepticism has a very real and very painful history behind it. From the early days of gynecology to the Tuskegee Experiment to the eugenics laws of the 1920s and even the unacknowledged contributions of Henrietta Lacks, there is a long history of exploitation of Black Americans in the medical system. And if there's any hope of rebuilding trust, we have to first acknowledge what has been done wrong in the past... and how that still influences beliefs in the present.
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"they don't feel pain the way we do" is a terrible excuse for immoral stuff.
Just ask Mengele's patients....
Another video I saw, maybe not here, said that crazies don't feel the pain. This was about early warehousing of the insane and the wretched conditions that they endured.
See also: factory farming
Thank you I never knew that before. I would never have been able to figure that out myself had no one pointed that out
@@TriNguyen-he7xk You are very welcome.
“These surgeries had a 100% fatality rate”
Why am I not surprised
Crainial surgery with a shoemakers tool, what could possibly go wrong?
I'd argue the word "murder" would suit something with a 100% mortality rate more
Combining "These surgeries had a 100% fatality rate" with "He didn't realize he was doing anything wrong" is an upsetting pair of sentences to have in combination.
@@rashkavar I agree. Sounds like careless, racist incompetence.
Same
"Why don't they trust us?"
**gestures wildly to all of US history**
This stuff isn’t all in the past. Even in current nursing textbooks used today, African Americans are said to feel pain less. This still needs to be corrected.
I relly thought this was BS, but yes there are textbooks that say that kind of things.
Could pettitioning the publishers and schools that use the books help
Tbh I'm not surprised, it's the US
Source? ISBN? And edition.
@@pabloruedafernandez2093 Actually, Canada, disappointingly.
My grandmother was sterilized without her knowledge or consent in the 1980s. We're Native American. Sterilizations happened to POC and WOC for a VERY long time. In some places it can still happen
@Joe Becker Women of colour
Thats just fucked up
Sterilization of "undesirables" has been rather common but the 1980ies are frightingly recent. That is something people should have been sent to prison for and today, still be there.
As far as I know, such sterilizations have happened as recently as 2017 in canada.
@@cillianthestupendous6093 That is just horrible and the people responsible should be locked up. I am for forced sterilization of serial rapists however but only to curb their sexdrive. We are not talking about that here.
As a medical student its scary to see how much power people think melanin has
Indeed
Racial Holy War RPG be like
@@PitLord777 Imagine a buff like "+5 Melanin = 10% Damage Resistance"
There'd be riots.
I laughed wayy out loud
@@JRyan-lu5im Resistance against sun radiation, not everything
You should also look at the indigenous sterilizations too. As of right now the only surgery I wouldn't have to pay for is a vasectomy...
Yikes.
They should make a series about the governments atrocities commited against indiginous people
@@Mic-bu8wb Talk about long!
Stop having kids, its better for the planet.
@@David.d.d.d the channel would posting videos for centuries if everything is covered accurately
Lol black doc here and I actually trained at new York presby.
Thanks for making this video. These things don't get discussed enough, not even in medical school. Going over medical ethics, we talked about Tuskegee and various unethical experiments done on children or by the nazis but stuff like Syms et.al isn't brought up. And more recent stuff is never mentioned.
Do have some links of some of the more recent stuff? Or at least a name? I'm compiling information on these sort of happenings to later analyze from an ethical viewpoint. I'd appreciate any bits of info or even personal anecdotes (if you're willing).
@@TheDJman248 How recent are you looking for? The most prevalent ethical debates of recent times have been
1) fair inclusion of vulnerable populations (minorities, elderly, women, children, poor, mental incapacitation, etc.) back into clinical studies - with the caveat of additional protections (recent scandal examples: Baltimore Lead Paint Study, ICC Guinea Pig Kids)
2) prevention of personal health data leaking (ex. 2019's medical database breaches and leaks)
3) detection/prevention of study data fabrication/falsification (several general cases listed here: PMID: 25729561)
4) detection/prevention of badly designed/non-vetted studies (many recent studies listed in: SOMO 2008 paper by Weyzig & Schipper).
More recent? Didn't Tuskegee only end in the 1970s?
@@TheDJman248 I believe in Philly, there was an issue with lead paint in public housing. In order to bring down the costs of refurbishing the housing, they tested different treatments of abatement on the people and CHILDREN of the housing without their consent. This wasn't to find an effective treatment but to see what was the minimum they could get away with.
For anyone who is a minority: when you go to the doctor, if the doctor denies you. Request you want the denial in your record and the reason as to why. Often times the fact they have to out them self on a medical record of refusing you (no matter the reason) is enough to make them re-think and agree to help you. I wish I knew this growing up, so I hope that this info can help someone.
this also puts the doctor in a risky legal position, if they deny you and another doctor finds something that they should have, they could potentially lose their license. so yeah, always ask everything be recorded in your chart and the reasoning for it.
Wish I'd known that years ago. I spent almost five years unable to eat without intense pain. I dropped from 140 to 70 pounds (at 5'4"), was chronically anemic and dehydrated, could barely even stand up or walk at some points, and yet I had a long line of doctors dismiss me. Either nothing was wrong with me and I was just making it up for the pain meds or I had to be purposefully anorexic, these were the only options. I even had a social worker come to my hospital room and more or less threaten me, telling me that people who come to the hospital complaining of "vague" pain that doctors can't locate a cause for will often end up with organs being removed, just so the doctor can claim they've done something.
The message was clear: your pain isn't real and if you keep coming to the hospital, eventually something horrible will happen. A doctor might actually decide to try and do something.
As it turns out, my PKD had formed a large cyst on the connection between my stomach and intestines that had burst (this I know about, as it resulted in me throwing up about 3 quarts of blood and being stuck in the ICU for weeks). When it had healed up, it had done so improperly, closing the connection between the two organs. However, things like water or, say, contrast for a CAT scan, were still able to pass though, disguising the problem from anyone not willing to take a more direct look. It took me five years to find a doctor (technically a nurse practitioner, and a woman) willing to get me in with a surgeon who would do exploratory surgery. That turned into a full blown, 8 hour operation, but I came out of it able to eat without pain!
Looking back, it's amazing I lasted as long as I did, basically just dragging myself from doctor to doctor, hospital to hospital, living off IVs and what fluid I could keep down. Now I am horrified that doctors were so quick to dismiss me after a CAT scan (which just about everyone tried, leading me to have something like 50+ of these, so that now my medical team that actually cares has to make the conscious decision to avoid them whenever possible) or ultrasound or endoscopy. Oh, there's no way this highly dehydrated woman who has lost a huge amount of weight And is now lacking in most vitamins and suffering malnutrition is ACTUALLY in that much pain when she eats. It's probably an ulcer so small we can't even see it and she's just a weak woman who can't stand pain, it must be an anorexia thing and she wanted to lose weight, she must be making the whole thing up. And yet, when it was actually happening, I stared to wonder if I WAS making the whole thing up.
To reiterate, I couldn't eat without severe, terrible pain and vomit up almost anything solid I tried to eat just because of pain and yet so many doctors refused to believe me that I began to ask myself, had I made this all up? Maybe I was even fooling myself into believing there was pain when I ate. Maybe I did just want pain meds and so my body had created a fact pain as an excuse!
No,turns out doctors are just super dismissive of women's self-reported symptoms even when they're hella obvious.
This happens everywhere and to a lot of people, and in other countries too, with a wide variety of races. I would say it because of the doctor incompetence more rather than bias towards gender or race.
Good caring doctors are really rare these days, they just want you in and out fast so they can make more money and not spending enough time diagnosing you symptoms or caring for you pain.
I honestly hate it to my bone when a doctor appears like a know it all and immediately diagnosed your pain before even hearing your complete story.
They misdiagnose a lot, yet still cocky about it.
@@GildedmuseI am so, so, so, so sorry for this. I am so sorry.
I hadn't ever thought of it before, but these biases affect so much of medicine. I saw someone comment during the coronavirus lockdowns that her mother, who had tested positive, was told to come into the hospital if her lips started to turn blue -- but cyanosis is much harder to see on darker skin than on lighter skin. I have taken YEARS of first aid courses and never once was this pointed out, and I feel terrible that it never occurred to me.
are you sure thats racism?
It's just not thinking straight
@danielsteger8456 it's a notion that comes from a society that only takes lighter skinned individuals into account. Most certainly is racism, wether or not it's purposeful is entirely up to you.
I'm a Pharmacy student and an aspiring MD-PhD candidate. To counter this, I read African medical literature as well. I suggest that you read medical textbooks tailored specifically for African/AA patients. It's highly beneficial in filling in the gaps left by conventional medicine.
'Patient-Centered Clinical Care for African Americans: A Concise, Evidence-Based Guide to Important Differences and Better Outcomes.' by Gregory L. Hall
Springer Intl Publishing (2020) is a good place to start.
holy moly my stomach hurts from this, how can a surgery with 100% fatality rate even be called surgery and not just plain murder?
In a word, intent.
Probably was murder. I mean "hey let's split their skull open with a shoe maker's tool" is any reasonable method to treat anything?
@@sor3999 you would be surprised how brutal other surgeries are
@@landr1873 The classic poke them in the eye with a needle then drink the goo to cure cataracts. Ahh surgical history.
Slaves were seen as less than "animal" back then.
In my high-school biology class, my teacher covered this kind of thing and I'm really glad that information is being spread here on my favourite channel as well.
Lucky.....
In public health class, you learn about the history of public health and things like the Tuskegee syphilis study.
my MLT professor also covered this
I learned about this kinda thing when I read about Henrietta Lacks and her medical conditions. She was the one person that had her cell structure was collected and used to help against various diseases but was never recognized until 1996. What was worse, lots of African Americans were still wary of doctors at that time as well.
I mean, to be fair, these cells have saved hundreds of thousands. Taking them away from science because of a selfish human want is just abhorrent.
@@matthewmaguire4671, yes, her cells helped millions but her own family didn't directly benefit from that. Surely, some of that money could have gone their way to help them out.
@@matthewmaguire4671 Or yaknow they could have asked her to get more after realizing that they were special, I dunno, like decent human beings
What are you referring to in 1996? Lacks and her cells were credited long before that. I finished my B.S. in 1995 and we had already learned and read about them by then and on changes made to rules of use of patients' tissues based on Lacks and other cases
@@matthewmaguire4671 So the ends justifiy the means categorilly, aye?
Should also be noted that there can be issues in medical communities with doctors and nurses not believing a patient's symptoms, or assuming someone is lying about pain to get drugs.
Never hesitate to be your own advocate for medical care, and never be afraid to ask a knowledgeable friend or relative to be in the room or on the phone!
To fill out the rest of your point: That happens when someone looks *poor* and the doctor thinks they're wanting drugs. I should know, I have anxiety, and it's almost impossible for me to get any kind of anti-anxiety medication (not even medical marijuana) simply because I don't exactly have a ton of money to my name, not even insurance.
@@TheNN get anew doctor and file many complaints about your current one he maybe be fired and die on the street you weak people need to fight and take revenge more
"Why don't they trust us." Ooh boy this is going to be bad!
I don’t know, would you trust an autocratic tyrant.... oh wait.
Of course, the system will respect our bodily autonomy and human rights... Oh wait.
Because we like to remaind them, in things like this video.
@@sionsmedia8249 should we pretend those things didn't happen. With "patriotic Education".
@@sionsmedia8249 can you spell
The same is true for Indigenous people in Canada. In the 30s and 40s Indigenous people who were sent to TB wards were often experimented on. Indigenous women were sterilized without their consent (the last clinic that caused a scandal doing this was less than 20 years ago even). My grandmother was lucky enough to not end up in the "Indian TB wards" but a number of her siblings were. One sister went in with TB and came out without a uterus (she died of a mixture of alcoholism stemming from the trauma of the ward and the Indian Residential Schools and cancer that wasn't caught until it was too late because she - understandably - didn't trust Doctors). Out of nine siblings, five were experimented on in the wards.
So hesitancy about medical professionals is understandable, and (considering the forced sterilizations still going on, and harrowing cases of medical professionals being caught laughing at dying Indigenous people in the ER instead of treating them) warranted.
Yeah, we could fill an entire season of EH talking about the treatment of Native peoples in the US & the former Commonwealth
Don't forget the smallpox laced blankets handed out to Indigenous people back in the day.
every time I hear your ad for covered checkups it physically hurts.
That shit should be covered by taxes.
-A Canadian
They don't because people don't wanna pay more for taxes and they'd rather the money to other things as well
Same here
-A Brit
@@kaibaby6335 the thing is, studies looking into this have found that the tax increase per person would be less than the cost of purchasing insurance.
@@AnimeOtaku2 It's almost like insurances are making money. ;-)
@@kaibaby6335 All well and good.. until you get cancer, break a leg, get diabetes, etc. Countless studies have already been done showing that Americans pay several times more in health expenses over their life than nations that have tax-funded health care. You are literally LOSING money by relying on the private sector for health care rather than paying increased taxes (and heaven forbid you not have health care at all, then you're paying nearly $500,000 for bypass surgery that costs $0 to a Canadian, Brit, French, Japan, etc)
Doctors: "black people dont feel pain so we're going to use them as lab rats and do experiments on them"
** Black people refuse to go to the doctor **
Doctors: "I dont understand why black people refuse to see us?? Like what did we do????"
These were different generations
@@artoruvidal2793 and different times.
@@artoruvidal2793 its almost like the generations that were treated like this warned the younger generations about how the medical industry will do horrid things to you and that knowledge has been passed down. And this video kinda shows that there is still a reason for us to mistrust the medical industry
@@artoruvidal2793 you know that France wanted to test the covid vaccine in Africa right? you know for the covid 19 pandemic that started in 2019!!!.... im not so sure those 'generations' have died out just yet
Fun fact: The phrase "Do no harm" actually does not appear anywhere in the Hippocratic Oath. It is probably the most prevalent myth in the medical community. (That's not to say the principle doesn't exist, just that the specific phrase does not appear)
The original hypocratic oath also said you aren't allowed to accept payment for your services. Hypocrates was a weirdo mystic and this whole ancient Greek LARP is nonsensical in general.
@@CatWithAHat2HD he might not have even been the creator of the oath since one part of the oath forbid causing a miscarriage on purpose( basically the Ancient Greek version of a abortion) and yet we have evidence that he did do that
@@jetheotaku As I said, it's just LARP because we like to LARP as Romans, and the Romans liked to LARP as Greeks, so we like to LARP as Greeks to LARP as Romans better. Very self-confident...
@@CatWithAHat2HD False the original Hippocratic oath says to teach other who want to learn to be physicians for free. Getting paid for your services is A ok.
@@nagudiarloop3451 Maybe I misremembered that, but the general point still stands. It's just LARP.
neat they expanded on the statement brought up in the Syphilis episodes after talking about the Tuskegee study
“When somebody shows you who they are … BELIEVE THEM.”
Maya Angelou
Also there is no “People of Color” … BLK isn’t a color and it isn’t in the rainbow.
An “African American” is an immigrant, Foundational BLK Americans (we) the only “non-immigrant group were kidnapped and forcibly imported.
We are not immigrants & immigration is not a BLK issue.
Unless they happen to be lying ofc. Lmao
@@Xaviar_St.Thomas then go back
my grandmother, who's cuban, was sterilized without her consent after the birth of my father. she'd had three kids, both my uncles and my dad, and was then given a nonconsensual hysterectomy which had a huge impact on her hormones for decades and probably contributed to her depression that's still present. in addition to her advanced education degree never being recognized in the US after she moved, all i can think is that my grandmother deserved so much better
The medical community's failure to take care of the African American community is something we had to learn in medical school. We've gotten better since those days, but we can certainly do better.
I agree. In the past my family hasn't had the best experiences, but recently it's been better. These days, what keeps us away from doctors is typically money for transport and motivation. We are actively unhealthy slightly
Good words to live by: Never stop improving whenever possible.
In some ways better, but mostly just less overt. Just saw a story yesterday where a Yale-New Haven CT fertility clinic operated on 75+ women with anesthesia that had been replaced with saline (by an opioid junkie nurse). The women screamed and complained/blacked-out from pain, but the doctors just ignored their complaints for months until the nurse was caught.
@@mandisaw wouldn't a saline solution hurt on its own?
@@mandisaw that is a matter of medical malpractice on the part of the nurse. The doctors can't just give their patients more anesthesia because giving more could be lethal.
“Why don’t they trust us?”
I’m not even black but I can list a LOT of reasons. Thank you for bringing some of this history to light, although it feels like you underplay how common doctors gaslighting patients is in the modern day (you keep emphasizing the lack of trust, while barely addressing how useless doctors can actually be in frank language), perhaps you’d have the opportunity to address the contemporary history in separate videos focused on women, the working class, and/or disabled.
The working class is fine, we have more fun and more money than you. Go simp somewhere else
With all due respect, I think they covered the history of the topic pretty well within their usual 10 minutes. Naturally, things will be missed because nobody ever can paint a full history of anything
@@DCL14388 Im with you. This is to bring up discussion, not a full educational course. People still need to do their own research and educate themselves. This is just a great platform that brings things to light in from an ethical and unbias perspective.
I agree with the OP - maternal mortality and pain management are just 2 ongoing harms that get missed in these discussions. Too many folks assume we're well past this garbage treatment, but it's very much still a problem.
@@mandisaw I completely agree that they're still very relevant problems, I just think it's unfair that people have an expectation that every related issue needs to be covered within 10 minutes.
It's honestly heartbreaking hearing all these people who led to such progress, who saved so many lives, built their research on cruelty.
"Your honor, I can prove this was not medical malpractice nor murder. I was simply performing a procedure where 100% of patients happen to die."
Man after all the medical videos sponsored by them, if I ever go to Minnesota and have a child or teen I'm gonna be so prepared to get a free checkup
When the hippocratic oath was used a hippocratic suggestion.
Hippocratic suggestion
I listened to Michelle Obama's "Becoming" as an audio book, and one of the things she talks about is grown-up/elderly African-Americans she grew up around who didn't trust dentists or doctors and didn't seek them out when they needed them, even if it left them with next to no teeth, or in terrible health.
does Michelle know what is her husbands last name?
im really curious
@@yessir_ it's a state secret.
My grandmother and grandfather had the same thing with dentists. They were native American and Hispanic respectively and would never be given any kind of pain killer before dental surgeries. So, they refuse to go to the dentist just about their entire lives.
what does that have to do with the relationship between african americans and dentists today?
@@Oghuz because there's still distrust of doctors and dentists even to this day. My dad is a Mexican-American and super distrustful of doctors. He hasn't been to a doctor in a long while except to get a Covid test.
He was also distrustful of the doctors who were treating his brother/my uncle when he was diagnosed with Leukemia. Sadly he passed away in 2018 after a 6 year battle and my dad has thoughts that either the doctors didn't try to save him well enough at all or that they somehow killed him. Normally I'm the kind of person who calls my dad out on all the conspiratorial BS he reads about, but this is one of the very few things I can sympathize with him about because sadly it's a real possibility.
Latinos are often prescribed painkillers at lower rates than other demographics, silver lining to this is that we also have been mostly untouched by the opioid crisis
I had to pause the video halfway through, at the part with the operations on children. My hands were shaking rapidly and I found my jaw was a bit tight.
The cruelty of humans can be unbearable at times.
Lots of bad history of eugenics in my hometown of Waltham. If y’all ever need horror material look up the Fernald Center
My great aunt was experimented on in the 50s. She died not knowing everything they did to her.
I read about HeLa cells and the whole story of Henrietta Lacks in my high school science class. The book we were assigned was "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks." It's a pretty good mix of informative and story driven just off the real events alone. Would reccommend.
Her cells might have been the inspiration for the Hashirama Cells from Naruto.
@@carloszapata847 Culturing of human cells is a very common practice now (and was being attempted all over the place at the time of Henrietta Lacks), there are hundreds of different lines available, as we have discovered ways to make cells immortal. HeLa was revolutionary because at the time we didn't know why cells had finite lifespans, nor how to get around it and make them immortal. HeLa was the first time "naturally" - i.e. naturally occurring cancer - occurring cells were collected that happened to have the right mutations to make them immortal.
the med student: "why dont they trust us"
me: oh just hundreds of years of abuse of race to test them with medcine killing them etc. ya know the norm
nice racist joke bro
i seriously think a doctor asking why a minority group doesn't trust them is the strangest thing ever
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl IKR 😂
I wish our schools would teach us about this?! I’m horrified that this happened. I don’t blame our coloured friends for not trusting our medical professionals.
i wonder what states dont, mine did but it may have just been my teacher. I agree with you 10000%
I have a personal experience with the dentist refusing to give me enough medication local anesthetic during a root canal procedure. I had to threaten to leave before an attending came to tell the doctor to give me more anesthetic.
Thankful for this video existing
It's a shame things like this aren't talked about more often in history lessons 😟
This video was a major eye opener for me to be honest; this is the sort of stuff you don't learn in history books or classes.
"Regular checkups help prevent these problems." Hmmm..... *if only people could afford health insurance to make that a reality*
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"Universal health care could help prevent these problems." Hmmm if only the average citizen had enough money to buy their own politician. But then they would be rich and stop caring about the plights of the poor. The system works!
Advocate for your health even if you're denied
The worst part is that it may still be happening. We keep learning about more and more modern unethical abuses of medical trust, even as recent as 2012 (that I know of, there could be more recent by now). I don't blame anyone for distrusting doctors at this point, certainly not people of color who have been the primary targets.
Bravo Extra Credits. Thank you for shedding light on this.
This is such an important subject that rarely gets talked about in history education. Great work as always extra history
Henrietta Lacks is a medical hero on par with any of the greats, given her contributions and what has been done with her cells. Even as good as all this was, it is still a great harm done as it was all without her consent, knowledge and recompense. Her story needs to be told very widely.
I'm sure there are stories of medical evil done to the Indigenous populations of most Western countries as well.
I understand the ethical dilemma but was "great harm" done? I am genuinely asking, did what they took have any physical effect on her?
She's not a hero, she's a victim
@@morganmarti579 yeah, doctors violated her consent and profited off it
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518so that’s a no then?
@@connorbranscombe6819 do i need to repeat myself?
I heard James Marion Sims and I was READY to throw hands. I really never thought I'd have that much hate in my heart for a dead man, but the Kill Bill sirens went off in my head, IMMEDIATELY.
There are so, so many. You could do an entire university course and not hear about them all. It's soul crushing
He actually had the police called on him numerous times due to the screams that would come from his "clinic"
Thank you for continuing to educate your audience especially on oppressed and minority groups!
Thank you extra credits. I am offten unaware of all the issues that exist and you bring light to things that should be talked about.
Thank you so much for bringing awareness of this issue.
Distressingly enlightening. Thank you for making this
Its honestly depressing how systematically intertwined racism was and still is in American society.
So much so, that if you protest racism they will call you un-American.
@@Guidingleech Who’s “they”?
@@guyferrari8124 Lots of people, like the folks who oppose "critical race theory" being taught in schools.
just a addon, most of those "experiments" we actually learn in medical school and are used as examples of a no go zone for studies.
Need a video on Indigenous peoples like this. Universities like Berkley still have the human remains of Indigenous peoples, remains they acquired without permission or respect and refuse to return to their communities. Not to mention the overlap with African-Americans and whole forced sterilization thing :(
I work at a hospital and a Hispanic woman wasn’t able to get painkillers after her operation because she couldn’t speak English and the doctors didn’t take her seriously. Luckily my coworker spoke Spanish and was able to translate but even then the doctors were resistant and didn’t believe her. I don’t remember if we ever got her the painkillers she needed.
Sounds like an unbelievable story
@@chlice2627 it’s far from the most ludicrous thing to happen to me at my job
@@chlice2627 Happens all the time. Serena Williams almost died b/c the OB doctor's didn't pay attention to her symptoms & concerns after giving birth.
Eugenics has a rich (in all the wrong ways) history in the US. It's not talked about much.
They didn't seem to cite sources. Does anyone have a link to the sources so I can show my friends?
Thank you for the warning at the beginning and also for bringing up this topic
Can't believe they're already history videos being made about this
Excellent video I just hope the fact it’s sponsored BY a medical entity doesn’t diminish its reliability and counteract the very trust building it’s attempting to cultivate! But overall great work guys :)
And people say that I'm crazy for saying that we should always question medicine and science. I'm not saying that you shouldn't go to a hospital, but there needs to be a bigger base of questioning if what is being done is good for you the patient or for the good of the hospital or drug companies.
Unfortunately, a lot of people confuse "questioning medicine and science" with "uncritically believing nonsense that's been disproven scientifically"
Thank you for making this 💜
I was familiar with Henrietta Lacks and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments but that doctor was new. God damn, that's like hearing something out of a horror story.
This is the video we needed right now
It feels very odd to see the intro, an Extra History-style video of something that just happened last year. I think a lot about how stuff going on right now will be covered in the equivelants of "Extra History," 50 or 100 years down the line. Assuming, y'know, humanity survives that long, and we still have the concept of "history."
Im kind of disappointed that we only see this animator in small episodes, rather than a full Extra History series
thank you for addressing these events and issues
Thanks for clarification. See also: Last week tonight bias in medicine.
Regarding Henrietta Lacks, my understanding is that they didn't treat her and she ended up dying of the tumor they harvested from
They barely did by putting a radioactive isotope in her body. However, considering the nature of uterine cancers, she'd likely have been in hospice care but I'm pretty sure that isotope treatment made her illness worse.
The problem with the medical industry is POC have been abused and taken advantage of for HUNDREDS of years, and with zero recompense or apologies. It is not misunderstanding. It is not a lack of trust among some members of the POC communities. It is open and continues racism and neglect.
Amazing episode, thank you.
The Lacs need royalties.
For the longest time, Henrietta had been buried in an unmarked grave in her hometown of Clover, Virginia. In 2010, her family put a memorial stone on the plot where she was believed to be buried. Her memorial reads:
"Henrietta Lacks
August 1st, 1920-October 4th, 1951.
In loving memory of a phenomenal woman, wife and mother who touched the lives of many. Here lies Henrietta Lacks, (HeLa), her immortal cells will continue to help mankind forever.
Eternal love and admiration, From your family."
There shouldn’t be the need of a charity to get children checked by a doctor every year.
That's been the way for centuries
@@shooterdownunder maybe, but we are in century XXI now.
@@shooterdownunder It's not that way in civilized countries anymore.
Thank you for covering this.
Is there a place where you guys post your sources for your history videos?
That eugenics program is still fully active in the prison system today.
Really now...care share a link? I'm collecting information on this sort of thing.
Looking at you....
ICE!
@@TheDJman248 an ice doctor sterilized undocumented women who were detained
This is the sort of topic that's increasingly distressing the more you look into it. The Baltimore Lead Paint study was in the freaking 90's. That's disturbingly contemporary.
I seriously love this channel
No matter how bad i think it is i keep getting reminded i am wrong.
Where is the link to that study mentioned @ 7:23?
2 days later and still not there. More than a dozen links that make them money, but not one for intellectual honesty.
Covered this in Epidemiology, Medical Ethics, and Research Methods classes for my Masters. And I'm always happy to see people discuss it.
Thank you for this video. This is excellent.
So thoughtfully put together
Pls a video on Timur!
tamerlane?
Hello world. You know the US history of medical practice is supremely hecked up when the HeLe cell line is the least bad example anyone can provide.
What are some hecked up medical histories where you live?
Forced sterilizations of Indigenous women in Canada
Sterilizations disguised as appendectomies in Canada, particularly targeting minorities. Ranjit Chandra's health care fraud.
Sterilization of the mentally ill, which was practiced until the seventies here in Norway.
Oh, and they also at one point dug up bodies of indigenous Sami to measure their skulls, to "prove scientifically" that they were inferior.
What's just as frustrating and shocking is how people with certain diagnoses are treated in the modern world, even today. ME and endometriosis, for example. So many real illnesses are still written off as just stress, exaggerations, or mental disorders.
Finland: eugenics and forced sterilization of minorities and the mentally ill right up till the 70s. For some reason this was a big thing in Nordic countries.
American doctors using Puerto Rican women to test higher dozens of birth control pills. We are talking about percentages in the triple digits, with horrible results.
Just literally had a conversation with my grandma about this issue
This video need to be share nation wide
Can you guys do a video on why medical practices back then were so bad and why we understood so little? Humanity has been practicing healing and medicine longer then we have practiced war (theoretically)but why only NOW do we see what works and what doesn't?
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Several reasons. Firstly, the scientific method is a fairly recent idea. Ancient Greeks thought that you didn't need to test things out to see if they worked - if you just reason it out logically, your conclusions must be correct. And medieval Europeans generally thought ancient Greeks had infallible wisdom and you shouldn't question the knowledge handed down from them. Secondly, taboo against dissection really slowed medical advances. Medieval Europeans figured that if you damaged the body too much, it'd interfere with the person being reincarnated in the next coming, so dissecting bodies was frowned upon for centuries, which meant that doctors didn't really know what exactly was in the body and how illnesses related to internal organs. Thirdly, a lot of medical advances depended on technological advances, most notably the invention of the microscope. Before then, no one knew that many illnesses were caused by tiny living organisms - or even that it was possible to have a living creature that small.
There's also the fact that Western-centric histories often overlook medical advances made by people from other continents. For example, a lot of the advances that happened in Europe during the Renaissance actually came from Arab and other Islamic scholars who had increased interaction with Europe at that time (partly due to the Crusades and partly because Muslim North Africans conquered Spain), but western-centric historians have downplayed that contribution. For example, many of Copernicus' notes were written in Arabic, which he was fluent in, because he built upon observations by Arabic-speaking astronomers.
In addition, many medical practitioners throughout history knew that certain things worked through empirical observation but didn't know why - for example, the fact that honey helps a wound heal has been known since ancient Sumeria (2000 BC), but only recently have we realized that bees' digestive systems produce a natural antiseptic that reduces bacterial growth. However, empirical observation has its flaws, especially with illnesses that are likely to spontaneously get better. For example, many people swear by various cold remedies simply because they, or someone they know, tried it shortly before their immune system fought off the illness on its own.
Don't stop African American videos just because BHM is over, I really want to learn more
Those prejudices are some of the worst things we have to deal with because they are not explicit. People don't actively or consciously promote them, so they are harder to call out. Doesn't mean we can't try just that it's much harder.
The show _The Knick_ actually covered the 1927 Eugenics ruling. It's as fucking horrifying as you can imagine.
Canada:.......
Australia:.......
Canada:STAY COOL DOWN SAY A WORD
This video has not been out for long enough for people to watch the entire video, its only been out for 8 minutes, and we already have 25 dislikes.
(thought Patrons did get it a day early to my knowledge.)
Racists are gonna be racist. As always.
Racist don't like truth they like the nations myths
@@eosatwood1770 they see the video on patron not UA-cam
@@paul-ye3ut The video itself is on UA-cam but it's marked private before release. In that state only those who have the direct link can watch. And that is what they post on Patreon for early access.
Thank you for this.
Y'know I think I'll heed the warning and come back on a better day.
you thinks thats bad, learn what happened to native communities in the pacific northwest and Alaska.
EXTRA EXTRA HISTORY .....from 2 months ago....
Get the test subjects that is needed or the study are going to be considered unscientific. This is difficult but getting the test subjects are absolutly neccesary or the medical science are going to grind to a halt. So how do we solve thease problems?
What makes this even worse, is because modern medicine isn't as knowledgeable on African Americans due to their (reasonable) distrust of it, the fact they don't get care on par to whites today further cements that distrust, causing a cycle of suffering, even if that racism could be stamped out of the medical industry entirely.