Redlining - Income and Housing Inequality - US History - Extra History
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Redlining has come up often in our discussions of systemic racism in the last year and a half but it's poorly understood by folks who never have had to face economic discrimination. Worse, some people believe that the effects of redlining were ended as soon as the practice was outlawed in 1968. But it isn't that simple. Redlining is an octopus with many tentacles and housing discrimination is just the beginning. We take a look at the history of redlining to understand how it impacts the present and how folks like George Morrison & Daisy Myers fought against the system. Learn more about how we're fighting this today at greenlining.org/
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Montesquieu once wrote:
"In the infancy of societies, the chiefs of state shape its institutions; later the institutions shape the chiefs of state"
I'm not sure whether to read this as a prophecy of hope or doom... but I'll go with the former. To keep me sane.
@@oddforoddssake3751 We must maintain hope for the future... even if it's propped up by sheer will.
Huh
The game makes the players and much as the players make the game.
@@stevenn1940 Will alone does not hold crumbling walls.
The most insidious aspect of redlining seems to have been accidental, as well - this octopus has a 9th tentacle it doesn't even know about.
You see, these redlined areas where income is low and housing maintenance is done poorly if at all...
...these houses, and apartments... never lost their lead piping, or paint. While the law has mandated for decades that these features be removed from residential districts, homes in redlined or previously-redlined areas have always been too poor to get the work done, and the governmental oversight there is weak when even present at all. Many houses in formerly redlined districts can be tested positive for high levels of lead even to this day. And, since the whole point is that the people there are economically disadvantaged, tap water is the most common form of hydration - tap water that comes from a poorly maintained system that receives little funding, where acid can often leech into the lines and eat at the lead piping, allowing the metal to enter the water in unsafe trace amounts
And this won't cause acute poisoning - not at those levels. ...but it builds. Children are born in these towns and spend entire lifetimes in them, drinking down that weak poison as it accumulates more and more. Now, what do we know about the effects of chronic lead poisoning in children? Lower IQ. Violent tendencies. Lack of motivation. More pronounced risk-seeking behavior. All this shit that deeply unpleasant people claim is some sort of trait inherent to black people... extensive childhood lead exposure can cause it all. And gee, wouldn't you know it - black americans from wealthy neighborhoods or backgrounds as children don't regularly display any of those traits.
So... the hospitals that could recognize and treat chronic heavy metal poisoning are underfunded, understaffed, and underequipped in these areas.
The schools have the same problems, and the lowered IQ and motivation from lead poisoning compounds the issue.
Access to healthy dietary options is restricted, compounding on the issue with hospitals and making the body more vulnerable to attack by the condition.
...and this wasn't even intended. I guarantee you that no one thought, while doing this nonsense, 'haha yes, and let's poison the children while we screw the parents over'. I mean, that last part yeah, they definitely knew what they were doing in regards to screwing over the adults living there... but I deeply doubt that a single thought was spared for all the lead, which almost makes it *more* tragic.
Just really opens up how much universal and free Healthcare can improve so much people in our country. We would need to give additional funding to underdeveloped/maintained hospitals, but we definitely have the money
The fact that you think redlining was accidental instead of an intentional racism is most infuriating.
@@Fafnd what makes you say that @Darasilverdragon was saying redlining was accidental? They were pretty clearly saying that the lead pipe problem was an accidental side-effect of redlining.
I won’t say that all the poor poc kids taht live in that area have these traits because that’s unfair for several reasons
@@Fafnd no no he’s saying that the knock-on effect of redlining that we rarely bring to the forefront is arguably so much more tragic than the immediately evident injustices caused by redlining, which I agree
"this is a racist octopus, remember"
quote of the year so far
This is obviously a metaphor though. Octopuses are actually very smart and progressive creatures. They’re very nice.
@@dionysus913 unless you're a crab.....o.o
@@seanpoore2428. Frick crabs
@@furryslayer8688 crab racist
@@wander1139. I don’t care. Crabs are inferior in every way.
I feel that this is a snowball effect that has turned into a self fulfilling prophecy. Districts that were marked as declining were forced to and now that the redlined districts are actually declining, a knock on effect causes an increase in poverty which in turn leads to other issues. So due to something that happened 100 years ago a group could now have honest concerns about investing in such an area.
@Trashthlete then white supremacists pretend the suffering in these communities is specifically caused by the minorities living there.
Those declining communities also get more heavily policed, leading to higher conviction rates, resulting in even more police
@@cnppreactorno.4965 Compounding the issue even more, as the decreased members of a household as a consequence of parents or older siblings being incarcerated results in a greater struggle for people to support themselves, resulting in the hurdles to generate meaningful wealth to skyrocket higher.
I think this is what makes this conversation so difficult as well; often people want one simple explanation for situations, and as such the reality of something like systematic racism is seen as "ridiculous" because of the cruel reality of the numerous mundane compounding factors.
@@cnppreactorno.4965 More heavily policed *and* often by the people who weren't at the top of the academy.
government causing problems and interfering with the market its kind of hilarious how governments always seem to make any problem they "attempt" to solve... this seems to be the fault of the new deal i dont trust government to fix the problem they cause its time to break the government and banks
There must be a harsher penalty for banks caught redlining. It's not like they don't realize what they're doing.
Pull your money out? Thats all we can do sadly..
Easy, ban banks. They're inherently predatory and self-serving. Force all banks to become credit unions, problem solved
@@consciouscode8150 to be fair we should break up the private public banks because its morso the government picking winners then an actual free market
@@cosmicrider5898 that's all we can LEGALLY do. But sometimes justice isn't legal. Sometimes morality isn't legal. Because sometimes the laws are immoral.
then you shold do sumthing aboute that insted of waching youtube!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m so glad you guys covered this topic. I didn’t learn about it until college, and now as a medical professional, I see this impacting my patients whole lives. It’s a sad fact, but the biggest predictor of someone’s health is not any medical condition: it’s their zip code.
why the hell does the USA still funds schools with neighborhood taxes instead of just a minimum base + X for each student tailored to each state? the current system you americans have is extremely biased.
It is! And... A lot of people LIKE that.... =\
We know and yet nothing happens because the people who made the system are still able to manipulate people into doing what they want
because there's no american education system, just a huge number of fractured and mostly independent states and counties instituting oftentimes racist policies
there needs to be some pretty massive education reforms in this country, but there's often a ton of push back from affluent white families that tend to benefit from the status quo
because it would essentially mean slashing the budgets for the existing affluent schools (which would annoy the parents of the children that attend those schools).
The answer to basically any question started "why the hell does the USA..." is white supremacy.
Thank you for highlighting this. Too many of these despicable systemic vices go ignored.
This stuff is common knowledge yet somehow american politicians and american people either are ignorant or actively looking to hide this part of history
Seconded. I’ve learned nothing of this issue in school, and this suddenly brings so many complaints into focus that I’d previously not had perspective on. Even highlighting one “event” in terms of hard policy and practice makes so many objections based in ignorance obsolete to me. Thank you.
Systemic racism isn't a thing. Blacks are not getting subjugated and " oppressed " by whites, and whites are not the villains who seek nothing but the regression of all blacks.
@@Chino56751 someone didn’t watch the video
i really like these episodes on almost every Thursday talking about black history in the USA it is very interesting
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It's so awesome!
same here. and i'm not even from the US :)
peace from Malaysia. racism is still a thing here, it's in the country's constitution. where Malays (bumi) get extra privilege compared with non-bumi. quite sad.
@@MarkWTK nice to know i am fom israel
@@MarkWTK itu bukannya alasan Singapore ga gabung Malaysia kan?
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Me a Michigander: hey they said Michigan!
3 seconds later: oh oh no
6 seconds later: man. Can’t have schools in Detroit. 🤦♂️
Cant have shit in detriot...
Had that exact same reaction bro
Michigan's always known for three things: the big three car companies, Flint, and Detroit being Detroit 😬
Same
As someone who went to Grosse Pointe Public Schools, I feel very called out. And It's deserved. Their comparison between Detroit Schools and Grosse Pointe schools is exactly true, to this day.
As my uncle use to say “telling minorities that they need to stop complaining and pick themselves up by their bootstraps if they want to succeed in life is like telling a person whose drowning to just keep their head above water.”
It’s maddening how some people who have been handed everything in life can’t seem to comprehend that others don’t get the same treatment. I was roommates with a girl in college who could not understand why my parents couldn’t just pay off all my student loan debt. Her parents were rich and didn’t bat an eye to all the money she cost them. Why couldn’t my parents do the same? Taking her to visit my hometown taught her quickly that everyone doesn’t have rich parents and even quicker than not everyone has the opportunity to live in pleasantville like her. I didn’t grow up dirt poor but faaaar from what she knew.
Mlk said something similar once. I think it was “it’s a cruel jest to say to a bootless man to pick himself up from his bootstraps” it’s on a nbc interview of him
"Banks have still been caught redlining as recently as 2015, and suffered little consequence."
Ugh. Just ugh.
And now, depressingly, so many of those communities who accumulated huge wealth and power through this process watch only TV stations and consume only online media devoted to telling them they've been hard done by, making sure that they continue to vote against anything that would make this situation better.
Yep exactly
The Child and Teen Checkup Program really is an amazing initiative to sponsor videos like this.
If only you guys lived in a country where healthcare is a basic human right you wouldn't NEED child and teen checkups program, it would just be a normal part of a functioning healthcare system and not a private institution.
@@louiewood7689 we been knew my man. I wish non-americans stopped looking down on us for our horrible government, as if we somehow are all far-right conservatives.
This is the video that Prager U doesn't want you to see.
Ain't that the ing truth.
This implies PragerU wants you to watch any content that isn't there's
Tell me why Jews, Irish, Asians, and Italians who were redlined were able to succeed?
PragerU hates the truth after all
@rafaeldejesus8199 yes, Asians are one of the most oppressed groups in the country, and they are able to survive and thrive, the bigest factor? Strong families
Ireland circa 1840: Hey I’ve seen this one!
Chinatown: "Me too! Today, they're now trying to gentrify me!!"
@@MindlessFire
Basically anybody treated unfairly: This looks very similar...
I gotta say as a housing organizer, this is the kind of material we want more people to see. Thank you!
Wonderful! If we don't learn about these issues it's easy for us to overlook the generational ills caused, facilitating the denial of systemic racism
small government is better as the new deal, jim crow, the war on drugs and the 94 crime bill arent libertarian things
Everyone: *starts to hate red lining*
Chicago: *Im gonna pretend i didnt see that*
I never knew too much about this. I would never have research this otherwise in all honesty.
Thanks so much!
Agreed, I never knew this much
Sadly by design. The school system is complicit in teaching racism as a personal moral failing rather than a systemic condition still in effect Today
@@jasonwilkins1969 This. So much this.
This is the best way to teach my son about all the obstacles black people had stacked against them.. when I try to teach it goes thru one ear and out the other , this is so needed in classrooms
Thank you not doing the typical Black History Month inspiration porn about the "First Black ____ to make it to ____." We need more videos about topics like this.
An interesting side effect of the low-cost government loans from the new deal is that it started the breakdown of labor unions, maybe accidental but probably on purpose. Because if you take workers and you turn them into atomized small property owners, suddenly they become far more concerned about their property taxes than about their wages and working conditions.
the one thing ONE THING that I absolutely hate is the fact that schools still are not talking about this the children of today are the adults of tomorrow yes schools are talking about stuff like Martin Luther King but stories of our past aren't enough we not the reality of today to be taught that way at an early age we can show kids that the current system is failing and that hopefully the next generation can do better if we don't address current problems they will not go away they will just become future problems
And the stuff they do teach it's highly sanitized.
High schooler here, can confirm I had no idea red-lining existed until I watched this episode. I feel like I'm getting a better education on UA-cam than I ever am in school.
Not just that. There is a ton of stuff they don’t talk about. Like how Blacks didn’t quietly accept being second class citizens as they fought as hard as they could even during the civil war and during the restoration. Or the white people who stood with their black brothers against racism. 90% of pre1950s civil rights resistance is completely ignored by the modern school system.
@@loach5348 Great explanation
@@dissonanceparadiddle You mean white washed
Damn that 200 years statistic really puts things in perspective. This was a powerful episode. Made a small donation to the Greenlining Institute
Wasted your money
Great investment.
I talk to my parents about redlining, and they always make the usual "hard work" arguments, and say I am living in a fantasy world.
Funny, considering that boot strap argument IS the fantasy world
Its hard to accept that a lot of what you have is not because you fought for it, and it scares people to think theyre not special or better
@@3asianassassin I stress to them that black people were systematically denied loans, and my parents either storm out of the room, or complain about affirmative action.
Wow, Usonians are full of themselves
@@10gamer64 it's americans
And yes we all are it's uh
A thing we do for no reason
This makes me wonder about the connection between redlining and gentrification. I believe the movie 'The Last Black Man in San Francisco' deals with just that. Certain inner city neighborhoods in Seattle and DC that used to be poor and dangerous areas in part due to the legacy of redlining have suddenly become attractive among young(ish) folks, whose parents or grandparents likely benefitted from the redlining. I'd love to watch a documentary or listen to a podcast about this dynamic/development.
I attended a magnet school in the middle of a redline district and saw firsthand the difference between that neighborhood and my suburban neighborhood
Inserting
2 weeks ago during MlK day and the school week afterwards, we learned about redlining.
daily reminder that redlining is an example of big government
@@constantineergius1626 more of a government that doesn’t live up to the notion of “all men are created equal” not that is big government
@@constantineergius1626 Nice try but no. Big government, small government, if it’s fueled by racism the results are the same.
@@Alexeater the issue is that small government is by definition less powerful so therefore has less opportunity to screw you over
@@constantineergius1626 a small government cannot shield people from the caprices of the market
Only bad thing i have to say is "generations to come" makes it sound as if its stopped, when its still a current & constant thing. Mind i am not sure if phrasing it to "families to this day" would be better. None the less thank you making and showing people this, when people say "white privilege" this dare i say is the clearest indication of it.
even though there are 3 and a half times more poverty stricken whites then blacks, and whites are not even the top earners Asians are?
"but the property [in Detroit] was still undervalued" - as a Detroiter myself, I felt that
Thank you Extra Credits. Not only you provide us with amazing content about history and mythology but also very important videos like this one. Maybe thanks to this material some people can finally understamd that racism is still an existing problem and what happened 200 or 150 years ago has still a visible and lasting impact of livelihood of people today. Can't wait to watch more :D
One thing I do just find interesting as a South African citizen when I watch these episodes, many people know about South African apartheid and always look down on South Africa for it, though many other places which had similar systems in place such as the USA gets much less attention drawn to it, at least from what I have seen and heard myself. (I do mean this in terms of when people talk about the history of countries and such, since I am sure many people that don't live in SA immediately think of apartheid when SA history is mentioned at all)
This, of course, is exactly what we mean when we talk about "systemic racism."
A few years ago there was a city where 16k out of 21k had arrest warrants for traffic violations, tickets, and 'municipal violations.' They criminalized the entire population of the city for 2 million extra tax revenue. They put mothers in jail for tickets they couldn't afford, they put arrest warrants out for not wearing a seatbelt, and when the city almost burned to the ground, people cheered.
That city was named Ferguson Missouri.
@@loonloon9365 that’s messed up
Which doesn't exist
@@Chino56751 Redlining still exists.
@@Chino56751 have you been paying attention at all?
The schools literally falling apart reminds me heavily of what happens in South Africa and the many many schools which are under funded and overcrowded
Pardoning the profiteers leaves little of their wealth to be redistributed.
Which wealth?
Boer genocide
@@misterwheatley1386 Not actually happening, 80% of these people had and mentaind welth...others lived like Quaiti people
@@fionafiona1146 So you're gonna ignore the ongoing events in SA then
You still see the effects of redlining today in major cities. Chicago, Boston, Miami, Kansas City, New York, Milwaukee, etc, you can literally move one foot from poverty to affluence just depending on if the community was historically redlined or not.
This includes areas we know today with rough baggage attached to them, Southie, Crown Heights and Bed Stuy, Liberty City, South Side, etc. These areas were born out of redlining and it even comes into effects with schools. In fact, if you've seen Dexter you probably know of Coconut Grove in Miami. Did you know there's two Groves? East Grove is the affluent community where the show is set, but just across the street is the West Grove. A major redlined district that still deals with extreme poverty today despite being a part of one of the most affluent neighborhoods in America.
From outsider's perspective, it always shocks me how deep rooted is racism in USA.
Yeah... Honestly I don't understand much either and I live in the us for gods sake
It's actually the foundation of the country; that and genocide of the indigenous people here.
@@Fafnd In the name of manifesting destiny or something
I like how you lay out the facts and advertise social services for the community. This is bullet proof freedom fighting. That is the human heritage.
This is what people mean when they say “systemic racism”. This has affected people to this very day. There don’t need to be racist laws on the books today for the racism of the past to affect people today.
I love how the checkups program of Minnesota is perfectly fine with you guys making a Black History Month themed episode on top of all the other medical history episodes you've already done.
A very helpful sponsor for some very cool videos!
Not that they don't care about the racism but there are major healthcare access issues that redlining helped contribute to. Points on them for finding a creative way to use their ad placements
THANK YOU for bringing this to attention, especially the concept of food deserts and inaccessibility to quality services in general. These are small but important pieces in the deliberately racist policies of 20th century America: slowly marginalizing the already marginalized on multiple fronts. Such a system is designed to prevent its victims from ever improving their lot - unless they win the lottery.
Look up "if lottery ads were honest". You might just eat your words. I'm sorry, friend.
"Poor blacks should just work harder" "I never got any help from the government" two lines that keep being repeated
"You may not have gotten a helping hand, but your papi and grandpapi did, and today you live free of uncle sam's boot on your neck" is my usual response to such a statement. I'm really tired of people shirking their societal responsibility to aid one's fellows due to some malformed individualism. I hope you have a good day.
@@trapfethen so you’re family determined your economic outcome????????
@@drsin6856 yea. Its the crazy idea that richer families can afford to send thier kids to school and give them access to better jobs. Or support them while they learn a trade. Instead of them getting a job the moment they turn 18 or sooner. Or dropping out to watch their siblings so mom can work.
But that obviously never happens 🙄😥
YOU DID. Enjoy your communist Social Security boomer.
@@trapfethen lol explain why asian Americans succeed after they were redlined as much as blacks?
I cannot thank you enough for this video.
I am a white man, but, I have had to repeat essentially this same series of events to so, so, so many conservatives who will endlessly insist "I don't see any laws saying black people are worse, ergo, systemic racism must not exist." And I have to launch into how racist laws in the past in housing and loans have lead to a system of racism which far outlasts said laws.
Now, I can just link them this video.
Oh, hey - ANOTHER reason for me to dislike Levittown! (Bucks resident here)
I think Levittown is great but to each their own
to add to the point of redlining impacting communities in many ways, studies have been finding that redlined sections of cities are 5 to 20 degrees hotter during summers when compared to green/blue lined zones, and this is only going to get worse as our climate changes
@@bruh-ux1ns yeah bro just get a big bucket with water and attack the sun...
How is that even possible? you cant have 2 or 3 ny city blocks just randomly 3 degrees hotter thats like not how air works.
@@KingCreepa You actually can. For example, a richer set of city blocks might have larger amounts of green space nearby, more trees on sidewalks, more shade in general, while a poorer area with less maintenance and few resources would not have those kinds of heat-absorbing benefits. You can use LandSAT (and other satellite) data for example; use a vegetation index and compare the results to a thermal index. You'll find that there are heat inequalities that are generally based on area wealth. Sure the heat distributes somewhat but the heating factors (more exposed pavement etc) remain in one area and heat that part more than other areas. It's like when you have a gas burner on a stove; the whole area heats up a little bit, but right over the fire it's hottest.
@@YearsOfTheTrees Its an very interesting topic that has been looked into over the last 10 years...
Okay, just to check, is this an actual statistic you're citing, which, as stated by Robert Cote, could have reasonable explanations for happening, or was this a joke about weather maps? I just can't tell for sure.
I wonder if there going to make an episode about the Spanish American war
(And the events that follow)
i know!!! I wanna see TR drawn!!
If you support them on patrion. You can vote on topics.
@@timtijmen1672 yes I've been considering that. One day one day
@Stephen Barillas LIBERA ET IMPERA
@@NAYRUthunder99 what?🤨
Thank you for making a video on this! I was never taught this in school, and the only way I learned about race restrictions on houses was because my mom mentioned the original deed to the house I grew up in had such a clause.
Thank you for highlighting and explaining thsi problem. And thank you for highlighting organizations that we can support to address the problem
These episodes are very important for the country to watch
"But it's their own fault and they blame it on race."
Can't eat as much as I want to vomit.
Was that a quote from this episode, or from somewhere else? I can't remember off the top of my head.
@@mrsteamie4196 That's a standart argument libertarians and "I'm not a racist"-racists make to neglect structural racism.
@@Dreagostini so how have asian Americans succeeded even tho they were redlined as much as balck Americans, same with Jews and the Irish?
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Jackson Ward is a neighborhood in Richmond, Virginia. It'd be like saying "Lower East Side, New York State"
Amazing, I am happy to have watched this video and learned about redlining. Its still bad, but hopefully we can take steps in the right direction.
the government still does stuff like this look at the lockdowns they were done most against minorities and have decreased enterprise, business opportunities, jobs, home prices and standard of living... the problem has always been government
@@constantineergius1626 And now your trying to compare health lockdowns to systemic racism...at this rate your bigotry will dig you to the center of the Earth.
@@Fafnd im arguing that both are big government policies which seem to hurt minorities more... what libertarian would support either... how is let people live their own lives and dont artifically change the value of their stuff racism?
@@constantineergius1626 Well, libertarians get their ideas primarily from Ayn Rand, who promoted the idea that people were either exceptional or not. She wrote books on the topic and her ideas are still spouted today to promote racist rhetoric.
Being that libertarians don't want the government involved, even to help people, those with the lowest position currently (primarily minorities, but other poor as well), especially those who survive only by government interference (WIC, SNAP, Food Stamps, etc.), would be the heaviest impacted. Similarly, the release of government mandated lockdowns would affect, and is currently affecting, those with the least. While those in power can afford the best healthcare, most of us can't afford even basic insurance.
I'm sorry, but your ideology is, in my opinion, one of the most socially damaging political movements to come out of the 20th century. Please consider having morals instead.
Because of that now they love to say, "Why do y'all love being criminals? why are you still poor? to become successful just work harder."
Very Bruh.
Good job spreading awareness of this! Let's end this senseless lunacy by educating ourselves and those around us!
As a native Detroiter. What is being said in this video hits hard. Its so sad and true. Move to the north to escape a certain type of racism, for another type of racism. And then people have the nerve to question our struggles. What a county 😢
They know exactly what caused are struggles but they will try to find any reason to victim blame
@@bobjacksom9776Exactly
Thank you for all the thoughtful work you do. I know how much in-depth work it must take at every level to make videos like this, and it's so appreciated.
Y'all do great work. So great. Thanks y'all
I live in Canada, so there is a bit of a different situation, but it is good to learn about this. Where I have lived in Canada there are a lot of immigrants, because a lot of Canada's prosperity comes from those brave individuals willing to leave their old lives behind and strike out into the unknown (in regard to distance, culture and language) to make a better life for them and their children. In Vancouver there are so many Asian immigrants and 1st and 2nd generation non-white Canadians that white people are almost in the minority. It's cool, and changes one's perspective.
I'm so grateful that Canada welcomed my parents as refugee!
1. Thank you for talking about this, it needs to be talked about if we want change to happen
2. I used to think that, and I know some of my family members do as well from time to time, poor neighborhoods meant less good people. But I pushed myself to talk to those people and be in those neighborhoods and learn about who they really are, I learned something I wish more could learn. People are people, no matter where they are from, how they grew up, they love and are just as kind to you as someone from the neighborhood you're from, if not more kind and loving and caring.
It’s not just banks, but car insurance companies and home cable & internet rates are affected by redlining too.
My car insurance company outright told me that in higher rated risk areas, rates are higher. Based on your address so poorer communities are paying more
these historical facts must be taught in every US school. we cannot rely on property taxes. food deserts, environmental pollution, and other legacies of redlining need nationwide attention NOW.
Really glad to see this. Too many Americans are ignorant of what "systematic racism" actually means and refers to, and this is an excellent summation.
I know what it is and the fault of it lies entirely in the hands of the Democratic Party. Seriously this was an FDR policy so yeah never defending FDR
@@constantineergius1626 Someone's been eating too many paint chips.
@@Soopahperry111 how there is a branch of the democratic party calling for an end of all protections on religion which would essentially begin the road to outlawing the Abrahamic faiths especially Christianity... aren't the majority of blacks christian ? i never agreed to live in a Chinese style socialist totalitarian regime
@@constantineergius1626 Lets lay off the paint chips.
I learned more in 10min than a whole school day, because the south
Didn't learn this in a north state like Mass. This is a national issue rather then regional.
Literally just covered segregation like this in my USA history class.....on the Florida Georgia line
Its not the south its school funding
Yup, schools in the south will do anything it can to wash away the regions racist history and present. Then, a bunch of ignorant people claim that no one is racist anymore and that the ramifications of any racist systems were solved long ago because they themselves have black friends. 😂😂😂
@@jacoblevenson7934 Massachusetts (especially Boston) has its own dubious history so I'm not surprised. Though, it's a national tradition to white wash American history of his violent and racial past.
@@jaushuagrahamthefloridaman1124 your evidence is anecdotal. Also, it's not school funding it's the curriculum each school district decides to teach and how it gets taught. I took AP US History and we never even touched these topics most likely because they were seen as unimportant.
Hearing this disgusting discrimination make my blood boil with true hatred towards racists.
Hatred even if pointed against the vile does nothing but justify the vile one's own negative qualities. Turn that rage into passion to aid those still suffering from the affects of discrimination to embrace love, patience and care for one's fellow man.
Policy! Political Representation! Focus less on individual acts of racism.
@@jacoblevenson7934 That only works if the racists are willing to change and admit they are wrong. Show passion for those who see their failings, but reserve hatred for those who refuse to change.
@@jacoblevenson7934 We hate them, bottomline
Thank you so much for this episode. My great-great grandfather was half Tututni (Native American from the southern Oregon coast) and wrote an article for The Oregonian that always confused me. He said that the New Deal had been terrible for Native communities, and I could never figure out why - the New Deal was always presented so favorably in history class. Now I understand how it further entrenched income inequality and wealth disparity in ways that history class never covered. Thank you so much for clarifying this for me!
Extra History: this is a racist octopus
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Truly disghusting that some “people” would do this horrible thing.
i dont think this is the place for a meme
People still say "bad neighborhood" as if it got that way naturally
I'm a junior in highschool in one of the bluest states in the country and we never learned this.
And then people say why are Blacks so poor
I appreciate the black history month Awareness videos because it brings light to the minorities in general. Growing up, I saw very little, if any white folk in my neighborhoods. I moved around a lot in my home state of Louisiana and even ended up in a children's home in my teen years. But every where I ended up it was all Black/Asian/First National. The one place I remembered the effects of Red Lining the most was as a preteen when I first entered the children's home. Where on 3 sides of the 100 acre property there was "ghettos" and on side there was a middle class neighborhood (the edge of well-to-do section of the area). Despite that our closest school was literally across the street, the school district had voted the children's home out of the lines. I later found out it was because of the fear that the "ghetto" kids would walk over and pretend to be from the Home.
So instead we, like our neighbors, had to walk 3 miles through "green lines" to reach another "redline" in order to catch the bus to another school. I was told the bus couldn't pick us up at our homes because of insurance policies. Our neighborhood required the bus to leave the school district.
That school was so worn down that the ceiling was falling in in some places and several aspects of the building was very outdated from a safety point of view.
My first taste of "racism" was at that school where a handful of a teachers (both white and black) started favoring other students over me and another kid. I was Jewish and he was Arabic.
I've done several school projects about this issue, I'm very happy to see it reach a wider audience!
The government makes everything worse
@@constantineergius1626 No bub that's just you.
@@Fafnd how, literally every example of systemic racism is an example of big government
Thank you for these videos
I can not say this often enough!
Great job on this one. Redlining is something I've felt for some time needs to be talked about more when discussing the history of segregation in schools and racism in general
for anyone wanting to do further reading on this subject, check out "The Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein, it goes into detail about redlining as well as the social changes it caused thru history
This should be shown in schools
I live in Michigan, and the gap in amenities and facilities is huge. I don't go to gross point south, but their school was built sometime circa 1920 and is immaculately maintained. Their pool is amazingly nice, and this compared to other schools I visit for sports that bairly have enough money to keep the water running in their schools, and have bleachers in their main gyms rusted and falling apart.
And to add, in their swimming team of over 50 people, I believe there were only two black people. The school is most definitely a white majority school.
@8:15, On which side did the local authorities step in. You have to tell us these things.
Or maybe instead of throwing a fit like a conceited child you go and fucking research what you're curious about yourself.
I'm actually proud of you guys for having the courage to cover this as an unequivocally racist act of systemic disenfranchisement, rather than denying its impacts or perhaps even its actual existence as i've seen some do.
Thank you.
Agreed anything to condemn FDR
Again. " Systemic racism " isn't a thing. How many poor whites are there ?! Many. So many.
@@Chino56751 let's ease off the paint chips, bud.
The recent Extra History videos tackling social injustice and issues are very well done. Discussing history that is not only intriguing, but also relevant and impactful for our lives today and prompt change for the better
I love all the work you guys do, and the knowledge you provide. I look forward to every new episode you produce, whether it's about gaming, history, politics, or mythology. Thank you so much.
As a Michigander living in the greater Metro Detroit area, when you mentioned Gross Point South High School, that literally hit too close to home...
As a Michigan resident you should know that the voters passed laws in 1996 reforming the funding process and disbursements to Detroit & Flint schools are much above the average and equalizes the funding in the state. You do pay taxes and pay attention to funding issues, correct? You are aware of the state minimum requirements for school funding, correct?
@@Easy-Eight I'm a student and a dependent who owns no cars or property, so I'm not exactly caught up with Michigan politics. And yes you can call me ignorant all you want because that's kinda true
@@thejungwookim The State of Michigan web site and the Department of Education links give a break down of every school district in Michigan. A tax reform was done in 1996 that equalized the payments done to districts for all students and established a baseline for minimum state funding and reflects the higher costs of living indexes for particular areas. The State of Michigan has a 6% sales tax and 1/3rd of that is directly used to fund the schools. BTW, the higher property taxes in your school system yields meager results. Poor counties like Mecosta, Crawford, and Clare have schools that match yours in test scores. There is a term you may wish to learn is called "being played". Do you think we adults don't care about your education? Do you think we adults would short change our own children?
@@Easy-Eight congratulations, you "played me" despite the fact that I was already aware of Michigan's 6% sales tax and have conceded about my lack of knowledge about Michigan's redistribution. Also, the fact that you had to give information on taxation to someone who had the privilege to go to a top 10 public school in Michigan proves that adults may care about the education of future generations but do not pay too much attention to what we are being educated on. Sir or Madam, this is supposed to be a civilized discussion on an education Youtubr channel, not a petty squabble in a feeble search for ageist superiority.
@@thejungwookim , your school system and its funding does not impress me. What matters is performance and most "outstate" schools perform as well as well funded metro schools.
Excellent video!
I have often wondered why this social and economic abuse is allowed to continue in the US, but I guess it is the same answer as usual. Money and power.
I knew about redlining in general, but you taught me about how it related to the new deal. Thanks!
Used this video as the basis for a school project recently!
You got my heart!!!
The more I learn about history, the more depressed I become
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
This was the Captain Samuel Vimes Boots’ theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Samuel Vimes - Discworld Novels by terry Pratchett.
I am pleasantly surprised at this comment section! It's good to know that the majority of people who watch this channel on the right side of history.
Government caused the problem and big government will always be pro majority no matter what they say
Time and time again, I have to think that we should be very thankfull, that the majority wants equality and not revenge...
It's easy to want utopia when you have no chance of takeing over.
They want revenge, not equality
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@@scottydu81 So you want to hitch your cart to the losing side in history?
This is gross, and especially that it's still affecting so many people today. Truly one of the worst systemic discriminatory practices in modern history
And it was all done by the democrats
@@constantineergius1626 politics has certainly changed over the years.
@@silentdrew7636 this is why i dont trust the government
Great topic very heavy but presented brilliantly a thought provoking and moving addition
Excellent production, y'all.
oof, i was expecting a video about how not to blow an engine
redline was such a good anime
@@gabrielandradeferraz386 Finally, something I can vehemently agree with that's not a depressing fact of reality in the US!....Yeah, Redline is freaking amazing, start to finish.
I was learning about this in class, and I decided to look on my phone, and it turns out you guys made a video about it 40 minutes earlier!
Are you in cahoots with my school?
Bravo! this is a prime example of how history effects the present and future
I appreciate this channel so much so much of what you guys teach i never got to learn in any school i went to. so its nice to learn history they refuse to teach now a days. i never knew anything about redlining before but this video had inspired me to go and research it up myself. please no matter how the world ends up. please continue to show these kinds of videos of history. so that the generations not taught in school and eager to learn can find them
Getting told my whole life my people need to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and here we didn't even get any boots
I can’t believe that banks are still allowed to do this and get away with it almost Scott free
Thank you for educating!
Thank you for this important video!