Straight Talk on Racism with Wilfred Reilly S2 [Ep 17]
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.
My guest today is Wilfred Reilly. Wilfred is an Associate Professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University. He holds a PhD in Political Science from Southern Illinois University and a Law degree from The University of Illinois. He is also the author of the books "Taboo: 10 Facts You Can't Talk About" and "Hate Crime Hoax: How the Left is Selling a Fake Race War"
Wilfred and I talked about the undiscussed progress that America has made on racial issues, racial disparities and to what degree they can be attributed to current racism, past racism, or other factors like group cultural differences, public misperceptions surrounding racism and the cops, hate crime hoaxes and why people manufacture them, and much more.
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Wilfred strikes the perfect balance between humour and academic discussion
Watch his debate with Jared Taylor and you’ll see what a fool Wilfred really is.
@@emilyjones5830 Judging from the language you use, there is obviously some serious disdain inside you. Yeah, he didn't perform too well at a debate. Who hasent?
@@emilyjones5830 Reilly brought up the fact that the Roman Empire was extremely racially diverse, they simply didn’t attribute any significance to what we would call race today. The identity of a “Roman”, as in a citizen of the empire, was far more important to the Romans than racial phenotype. The various tribes that made up the Goths didn’t look any different than many Romans, indeed many people of Gothic descent were part of the empire for generations. Taylor’s argument simply doesn’t carry water with the Romans and the ultimate downfall of the empire has nothing to do at all with what we would call racial diversity.
Lol I had this dude for a professor at SIU... Crazy to see him pop up in my feed.
“what’s deep about this point is just how little logical thought actually goes into the default national conversation about national equality ...that something so simple that a ninth grade statistics class would cover on day one, is actually not a default part of the conversation at all”
Who's getting statistics in 9th grade? I'm super in favor of it. Obviously now seems needed for responsible civic participation.
...Of course you can take a class in a thing and reflexively or willfully fail to apply to real world.
@@explrr22 I got the best stats education in my school experience from a grade 9 geography course where we were taught to handle some demographic data, but I take your point and my working hypothesis is that my experience was an outlier.
@@explrr22 Actually a stat class would've a welcome addition and really relevant given the lack of understanding of polling numbers, their meaning, and purpose.
@@stanleycross6000 I'd agree.
In current environment stays education seems way more important than algebra. I'm not saying ditch the algebra, but I think a rudimentary understanding of stats should be the graduation requirement before algebra 2 ...
@@explrr22 I seem to recall my son doing something in elementary school (he is going into sophomore year in HS) about estimating number outcomes. Which kind of stats.
I think stats should be an elective in HS.
I love the debate format where Coleman steel-man’s the activist argument.
Where is this one?
Timestamp?
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Fantastic discussion👍🏻👍🏻 I really appreciate Wilfred's analytic reasoning, devoid of emotional clutter.
This sounds so much more reasonable and well thought out compared with Neil deGrasse Tyson's rant about being singled out by racist cops. He's a scientist! Did Mr Tyson forget how to interpret statistics?
He may be speaking from real-time experience, rather than anecdotal evidence.
No he wants to b "down" with da blacks after spending a life sippin wine with white ppl
@@marcelmarshall4240 Single case, out of millions of interactions, is by definition anecdotal evidence.
One of the best discussions I've had the pleasure to listen to. I love the in depth long form explanations. Thanks.
Respect from Canada Coleman.
Keep doing what you're doing -- Its important.
Coleman thank you for the discussion. I would really love to see you guys put some stats in here for the public to look up. When I try and google anything meaningful into these conversations they only offer evidence that suggests the opposite of what you both have discussed today. Which seems to to probably attribute to a lot of peoples thoughts and affirms their opinion that racism is the real factor behind these things.
I totally agree with you. Sometimes I feel like I'm being gas lighted when I search up both sides to understand the info but I only see the same side confirming the same thing and the other opinions being much harder to find. Journalism and academia are suffering from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.
Very often if you do a bit of legwork even the sources given to you as the proof of "systemic racism" actually disprove it or at least researchers clearly state that they do not make any assumptions about the reasons for their findings.
A very good example if the research by Roland Fryer mentioned by Wilfred and Coleman as a frequently used proof of excessive force use. scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force
If you open the PDF version and scroll to the Conclusions you will see what I mean. He says that BLM should look inside black community instead of concentrating on those disparities he discovered.
@@m.chumakov1033 Thanks! Great to have the support of peers over these polarized discussions. Much appreciated.
Commenting for the algorithm and because this content is so important, thank you!
1:07:10 "A person of size" is fucking brilliant :-D
I about spit out my coffee when I heard that. :)
@@AMikeStein Me too!
Amazing content, Coleman! Thank you so much!
Idk how one would go about doing this, but these conversations or even just the takeaways need to be pushed out to more people. These ideas will likely continue to be fringe but it feels like the narrative could be changed pretty quickly with the right approach. If one or two of the right mainstream news sources started spreading this type of info, we'd see instant benefits and real healing occur.
heard it. super good. my man rielles!!!
I love you! Hope you don't mind.
One reason why so many hate-crime hoaxes happen on college campuses is that the perpetrators are failing their classes, and hoping to get a "compassionate" passing grade -- instead of having to go to some other college during the summer and take the courses over again.
When I was a kid this Munchausen Syndrome was called "Operation Pity-Getter". Maybe we should revive this name.
I lol'd at Coleman's statement about "youthful aggression" fading into the "temperance of middle age." I don't know about you guys but I'm getting real tired of all Coleman's youthful aggression.
Hahaha, right?? To be fair, he does channel it to his rap music. He has more of that youthful aggression than you'd suspect, and it makes into some pretty sick tunes!
Go watch Wilfred get the brown-sauce kicked out of him in his "debate" against Jared Taylor. 🤣
Its not that hard to distinguish between a U.S. black and an African black. Its in their speech. How many schools provide classes on statistics in the ninth grade?
Good catches on flaws in arguments. I largely agree with their criticizimg, but these unquestioned assertions and assumptions are bolstering their confidence underservedly. It's the problem with watching like minded discussions. The confirmation biases slide in so easily, even when you've got participants trying to avoid. Thanks for pointing out what seems obvious on reflection. I remember feeling mixed sentiments regarding these statements, but didn't stop to take it further.
Interesting observation, but I don't think you realize how much assimilation accounts for not being able to distinguish an American black vs. an African black. Coleman's made this point, in likely neater and more exact terms, in previous conversations.
And the context in which someone might be pulled over for instance, optically, you wouldn't be able to tell if this was a native black or a foreign black before the encounter.
I would like to point out a more obvious hole in their arguments, Sowell also argued this, in that police wouldn't be able to tell which was which depending on the location. The idea of communities "being across the train tracks" or on certain streets, with specific cars,etc. We know these places in our communities: I gather the police might as well.
So I agree there are possible holes, but I'm not sure it's the on you've mentioned.
@@shettywap I have almost no contact with blacks in my community, either American or foreign. It is rare to even see blacks in my community. Any opinion I have on the subject is based on what I have seen on television, UA-cam, or on contacts I've had with blacks while serving in the military. Possibly there is much I don't realize about the black experience. There is also much about the female experience of which I am unaware. Although, I probably have more in common with black men than I do with white women, whether I am aware of it or not.
In the mythological (or gaming) sense, could there be a sword that cuts through bullshit? If so, I see Coleman and Wilfred as weilding them.
The sword of Hamocles
@Hardway Harrison you may have noticed I wrote Hamocles, or the sword of going hard as a m*****f*****, which I'm sure you'll agree is precisely what is needed.
@Hardway Harrison haha sorry mate I just made it up in the hope it might tickle someone. Oh well.
Is affirmative action used in selecting airline pilots or surgeons? Lets hope not, but if I found that my airline or hospital was doing that, I'd find a new airline or hospital. We should take other professions just as seriously.
Love both of these guys.
AK Nation News pulls the National Gun Memorial report for his UA-cam channel. His only stipulation is to look at a city where the black population is at least 10%. That's all. With that condition, the results of those who are murdered by gun violence would make you think the population were 75% black. So yes, the police are going to be more active, have more interactions and be more vigilante in those areas.
Regarding the point about identifiably ethnic names on resumes, it is not as simple as masking your first name. Imagine what happens when the candidate gets by the resume stage and shows up for the interview. Employers with implicit bias will likely discount their interview.
This was a good one
Wow! La-a has really made the rounds lol. Interesting to hear her brought up here. I didn’t know her personally, but I was a TA in the classroom of her teacher’s good friend. I remember hearing about the infamous La-a and we used to joke about her name being misinterpreted as LaHypehna lol.
You’ll find all sorts of interesting names working in education. I’ve taught Forests, Bears, Oceans, Majors, Kings, Princes, Princesses, Royals. It’s interesting to note that the “regal” names in the group were usually from black/Latino families, and the “elemental” names typically came from white families. Then there’s Regan/Ragan/Reagan, Madison/Madyson, Kennedy/Kennidy, Carter that you’ll get from just about anyone be it white, black, or East Asian.
It’s cool to see and learn of the different names and learn what their parents hope for their kids to become or represent through the names they give their kids.
I appreciate what your doing Coleman please keep doing it
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You guys gave an example “John Doe” name that is identical to my real life friend, coincidence but made me laugh.
I love you! Hope you don't mind.
Good stuff 👏🏻
I would be curious to see a study of police interactions with people who are black comparing different cultures. How does the culture in which fatherless homes is more the norm vs the culture in which fatherless homes is the minority position affect police interaction. Does one culture produce people with less respect for authority figures in general? Does the level of respect that you give law enforcement have anything to do with the level of respect that they show you?
I'd love to see Wilfred Reilly debate Tim Wise. Would be productive, I hope.
I'd prefer a discussion to a debate. Formal debates are competitions where the one who grows most as a human loses.
I think Wilfred would slaughter him in debate
I was thinking about the name thing, then you hit my thought process in minutes. Have they done this same study on stereotypical poor whites names like Billy-Bob, Bubba, Bobby-Sue etc. That would be an interesting study
Maybe the hoaxers have it too good and need a struggle. A few years ago, a University of Virginia student made the news with complaints about police harrassment. His name rang a bell. Turns out I have a book by his grandfather who was beaten and jailed during the Civil Rights Movement in Mississippi. His father, also an author, had a prominent racial reconciliation ministry in the 70's. In a way, I feel for the guy who had no war stories to tell at Thanksgiving dinner.
29:45 Coleman's got a moomin mug. Worth about £30 if I recall, he better not drop it.
In Norway they used to be given for free when people donated blood. I think the practice has stopped now, but they are certainly accessible for alot less than 30£ here
@@AndreasdkristensenMoomin gear is pretty expensive outside of Scandinavian countries, unless it's crap knock off stuff
Ahhh I see
Novelties like that are often gifts at highfaluten events. Sorta like getting a Monte Blac pen for being a highly sought after guest.
Race is the least important thing about anyone. Actions, character, and abilities tells you everything you need to know about a person.
Really good interview
Great stuff Coleman, another good guest. Samo Burja would be a good guest.
Great discussion as usual.
Please keep pushing to debate kendi also we need it
Willfred is awesome!
Instead of Commentary, could these articles be sent to the Black Press?
I look forward to "the obvious" to be presented in front of ADOS!
''Person of size'' - 'Hahahahaha
Coleman--regarding your claims about blacks being more likely to be harassed by cops. I see videos coming out in recent years showing cops pulling into conflicted areas and being taunted mercilessly, often by African Americans. In New York scores of black teens/young adults pouring pails of water on a couple of cops in the middle of the day. Is there any correlation, in your opinion, between these two ideas? Thanks, and I love your work.
Is it racism to call Lequasha back from a resume at a less rate if you are more at risk as an employer? If you have to take on the liability of getting sued, would it make you a racist to not want to take this on?
It at least makes you prejudice and likely to discriminate based on a person's name.
So Jilly-Joe-Bob Mason may be less likely to get a job application callback than J.J.B Mason? Interesting. I wonder why control groups or follow-up studies weren't performed that examine exactly those effects. I wonder if perhaps self-censorship among academic peers had anything to do with it? Great stuff Coleman.
You guys rock!!!!
Some good points, but he's leaning on his own hypotheses carelessly... Ex. Claim that for any field, in any major city, there's going to be hundreds of job openings... Lots of professional or even just skilled trade positions that's not going to be near the case. For jobs, you meet minimums for and would need to take on unemployment: Yes. But relevant to training in lots of tech fields: Usually No. And to advance based on specific job developed special skills in tech fields: Certainly No.
Of course a big labor shortage in field with plenty of profitable business or funds can change the callback ratio, but that's an entirely different situation...
None of that invalidates the rest of the criticisms of the audit studies or various other assertions, but consciousnessly or not he's injecting quite a significant bias in his assessments.🤨
On the whole I'm seeing a much more solid analysis than what's in mainstream media or public consciousness... But it's a reminder how no matter who or where or when you're picking stuff up, we need to keep watchful.
I wonder how old the resume study is
I can't imagine it today, it seems every business is focused on "diversity"
@@mrborisak Unfortunately a very flawed thinking about diversity. I want diversity for perspectives and clarity of analysis... not just optics.
"Appalachian American" hah hah hah
Illuminating conversation!
About the studies that show that resumes with black-sounding names get less attention. Couldn't some of that be due to the very well established bias we exhibit toward the familiar rather than requiring racism to explain? One resume is for Makeba, the other for John. Perhaps I have a friend name John, and surely I have known a couple. What's a Makeba -- I don't even know if that's a man or a woman. Do we really think that that makes NO DIFFERENCE when reading a resume?
Also, white culture considers it presumptuous to name your child after a god. Sure, you love your kid, but to many Americans that seems weird or even offensive, and you might be concerned that a kid so named would feel a sense of entitlement that you wouldn't want at your place of work. But in Latin American culture it's fine to name your kid Jesús, and apparently Isis is a popular name for black girls. Wouldn't you worry that a guy who grew up with the name Zeus might have an outsized ego? And names like Elijah, Jeremiah, and Zion might raise a tiny silent alarm for employers who don't want overt religiosity to be a thing in their workplace.
More fundamentally, if an applicant has an unusual name, one might rightly be concerned that an unusual culture comes along with that, and the need to accommodate it. You might say that as a society we should be willing to take that on, but that's different from saying that there is nothing there.
The studies presume not only that the chosen names carry an ethnic connotation, but also that they carry NO OTHER connotation, and I'm just not sure that that's true. It seems like a potentially confounding variable. I'm sure that actual bias against skin color is PART of the explanation for the resume experiment results, but it isn't clear to me how much.
Attacks on Asians have been happening in San Francisco since at least the 1960's . Asian shop keepers were murdered as I remember since the late 60's. ...
18.00 the bald dude said something. No sound. Anyone know?
Nigerians are black Africans not African American. Big difference not the same.
But now we know, then name choice is important and should be approached carefully especially if you are a minority!
Coleman of course is too
Coleman appeared a bit flat in this interview. Almost like he was in awe of Wilfred. IMO.
Good stuff, Wilfred is cool
Go watch him get the brown-sauce kicked out of him in his "debate" against Jared Taylor. 🤣
Coleman .. i should watch you more.. but your so god damn thought provoking i have to make sure i have time to integrate what your saying.. So i tend to dodge you till i have time.. and then i forget lol .. I watched a video on why you would vote for Biden.. it was amazing.. all fucking wrong .. but i still found it amazing.. i wonder .. how some of those arguments or trains of thoughts hold up ?
Even the alt-right isn't very big or very violent anymore . Oft times the alt-right is fairly pleasant , willing to talk to the 'progressives ... Nice discussion guys , thanks .
Guest has large European DNA mixture obviously. Coleman is biracial.
A big problem is that so many people are so lazy or too busy to check the research that is presented in front of them. I am guilty of being lazy too. Now I take every race statistic with a grain of salt no matter what narrative is being pushed. I always ask for sources now. It has been definitely an eye opening experience.
Arabic names?
Black names? Strange Nigerians for decades always have a English middle name, which they use for professional names.
Sources of Reileys Data?
Chinese ppl were immigrants
Not on narrative. Soon to be banned by ZuckTube
Lebron’s gate grafiti was a hate crime hoax
This should have been a boring discussion, except it's so important and essential to have lucid conversation about racial theories when a loony CRT is actually affecting the political climate and we know from the earlier German school ASRT how a shallow idea can turn tragic.
While we need to remain optimistic that Americans can continue to nourish interracial friendships, cultural, work and love connection that we KNOW exist, with so much narrow perspective and ignorance, especially, about slavery. People can easily get a wider perspective, if they only listen to Tom Sowell's factual, fantastic, "The Real Story of Slavery," on UA-cam.
Despite an enduring attachment to cliched terms, when it comes to the mere 15M Jews (in the world), no racism, or Semitism are involved--Jews are a multi-racial, multi ethnic People. The majority of Semetic peoples, especially, 350M Arab Muslims who have been hateful and bigoted toward Jews are Semitic, too, so are 100M Ethiopians. Shiite Persian Muslims who are also hateful, bigoted and increasingly more violent against Jews are not Semitic. To demonstrate its Arian "nobility," Persia changed its name to... Iran.
Unlike Arabs in Gaza, for instance, who, in addition to using human shields, have a theatrical production of fake injuries, most Jews do not enjoy complaining about oppression. And it's a rare Gazan Arab like Mosab Hassan Yousef who comes to the UN Security Council to speak against Hamas. If not in a state of complete denial during the 1930's, too many European Jews were reluctant to use exit visas, hoping that, somehow, it wouldn't really get bad. The same is true in Europe today. Although, more Jews are sensitive to anti-Jew hate, bigotry and violence and its new flavors... a cocktail of Muslim "Holy Hate" + CRT fanatics, more have been leaving Europe. Ironically, Spain and Portugal are inviting Jews and Crypto Jews who fled the Inquisition(!) to come back and, once again, contribute to the economy.
It took Jews from Arab countries years, to tell their stories, like in this documentary: vimeo.com/85087705. It took Holocaust surviver years before they started to tell their stories. Which is why this shocking documentary was produced ASAP: ua-cam.com/video/BZWnlshOXWs/v-deo.html.
BTW, does the book on Hate Crimes includes a pre-9/11 Holy Hate crime against Kareem Abdul Jabbar's "new family" of Muslim converts who were gunned down by Islamists for not being the "correct" kind of Muslims? Has anybody ever examined how Muslim African-Americans converted to a religion and a few (like Malcolm X) even went on a pilgrimage to Mecca when slavery was still practiced in Saudi?
Big israel shill above me.
I refuse to consider that africans can on avg run faster, jump higher and are more athletic than Asians. Asians simply need better basketball camps and track and field schooling when young to grow taller and become faster runners.
Another consideration re "Black" names beyond its use as a race or class indicator, but, especially in today's political environment, to what extent might it be an indicator of "wokeness?" If employers are given a choice between two equally qualified candidates, it's logical and reasonable to hire one over the other if there is concern one could be a source of unnecessary drama.
why are j's the most targeted group?
I in general don’t subscribe to the racism isn’t real anymore thesis that Coleman seems to hammer away at all the time. I was however with the interviewee and what he had to say until the 25min mark. This is completely dishonest “solution” to the problem. You have to be interviewed. If the unconscious racist person was willing to bin you resume, do you think once they see you in person for an interview they will somehow automatically overcome their racism?
He never claims racism isnt real??
I listen to a lot of Coleman's stuff - never heard him say racism isn't real. Heard him say a lot, "yeah, some people are racist, they're not going away. Now what do we do to advance Black achievement?"
He definitely dosent say that. He recently dated someone whos parents were racist against him. He just talks about how its extremely nuanced in this age and the misconceptions people have from the media. Aswell as the obvious way in which racism (or prejiudce if you prefer) in the other direction is now popular.
Yea he doesn’t say it isn’t real, he questions whether we’ve reached the point of diminishing returns in fighting racism. There will always be a small number of bigots in society, at some point fighting the residual racism is a waste of time.
Why would you even want to work for a racist? It makes no sense to pretend you can fix a racist employer to be non-racist, and I'd not work anyplace where it seemed clear I was hated for any reason.
I'm not American and I'm confused. How does this man identify as black? I don't know alot but I know this is not what black people look like.
What are you talking about? He is black. He is not dark enough for you?
It is an American thing. In the US, when someone had one drop of "black blood" in them, they were considered "black" in a negative way, back in the day. In modern days however people are seeing themselves as being "black" in a positive way, when they have "one drop" of "black blood" in them. But it is not only with black people, you also have Kamal Harris saying she is black, even though there are black Americans who disagree, they see her as Indian, I think her mother is Indian and her father is black. But you also have people who have obvious European skin complexion but say they are "Native American", because some test show, that they are like 0,000887 some Native American tribe. It is a very weird thing, the whole concept of "being" a color is rather absurd, and comes from Heidegger and his book "Being and Time" (Sein und Zeit), where basically anything has it's "own being" which changes constantly etc. etc. I find it to be absurd. A person "is" not "black" or "white" his skin color is, but your being as a human as an individual is something else if you ask me.
@@natbrownizzle1387 you're missing a whole lot of nuance that would fill volumes but the really short version is that being African-American involves being part of that distinct ethnic group which synthesized in the American south over the course of the 3 centuries before spreading out to large cities in the North and West. When someone "identifies" as being black or native they're not identifying as a color. They're identifying with that culture. Physical appearance is a very small part of it.
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Yeah, I live in Austria, German speaking country, I know where the term "Folk" (German "Volk") comes from and I do not think it's a good idea to go down that road. I don't think that group identity leads anywhere but brutal tribalism. We would be better of identifying as individuals.
In America its very complex. I would be able to look at this man and notice his features arent totally European but would otherwise consider him white. If I wanted to think about it, which I didn't ten years ago, and hope not to again in the future. Any American whos 1/4 non white or more well generally identify as that ethnicity these days. In the past, people would identify as white if they were "passing" white. Which really is a huge identifier in the shift in ideology. No one really discusses it though.
Mr Reilly makes some good points. Sadly, he supported Trump in 2020 and seems still to support him.
So? What does that have to do with this?
Oh no
So do hundreds of millions of other Americans.....what is your point and what does that have to do with this video, i.e. WTF is wrong with you?
@@robsimer9296 quit simping for orange man
Good
You're not fooling me young man. It's Smachtenbergers all the way down.
You think he's trying to fool people? If so, why d'you think he'd want to do that? And what's "Schmachtenburgers"?
@@blackmore4 Episode 16.
@@blackmore4 he accidentally tweeted out that this was with Smachtenberger (again) leading me to hypothesize that everyone on the internet is Daniel Smachtenberger
@@quixoticsounddesign5613 easily one of the weirdest comments I've ever seen but ok
@@ladyj3173 recently Sam Harris said on Lex's podcast that the Daniel Smachtenbergers of the world will save us, so there is confirmation of at least 2 Daniel Smachtenbergers
You are just reading to find like-minded people who share your ideas, not to challenge yourself and your ideas. Sad, really sad!!!
He debated Coates on the national stage. He also has tried to speak to Kendi (Rogers) multiple times. Also if you think hes a conservative, he is not.
@@ladyj3173 Yes, he debated Tanehisi Coates about reparations in Congress, but just like his recent appearance with Marc Lamont Hill his argument isn't solid. He's trying to get Ibram Kendi's attention, But Professor Kendi doesn't have time to be engaging with someone who needs to really take the time to think his ideas out and again do some reading!!! I said nothing of him being conservative; I'm critiquing the fact that he doesn't read widely and his arguments and praises reflect that. If he wants to be a public intellectual, then he needs to read. The same advice applies to you in responding to my comment!!
@@leronharrison1110 It seems very solid to me.
@@Maytag99 2 "I"s for you: implicature and Inference. What he implies in his argument (implicature) and how he reaches it (inference) are rather problematic.
@@leronharrison1110 But that doesn't really explain anything.