I never realized this character detail until you pointed it out at 30:54 ! By referring to Godrick as "the Golden" instead of "the Grafted," Morgott implies that he believes even Godrick, the weakest and most cowardly of the demigods, to be inherently superior to his omen self. Incredible video as always :)
probably was the only one who still believed in Godrick. For godrick as much of a coward and monster as he was.. Still was just as obsessed as Morgott when it came to the golden order. I still have many questions about Godefroy though.
@@WildArmACF Godrick was the only other one who still held himself in a lordly way and upheld relative knightly order in his realm, as pathetic as he might have been. All the other ones are absent, deranged or both.
@@WildArmACFI'm pretty sure that Godefroy was Godrick's father. To my knowledge, Godrick isn't a direct descendant of Godfrey and Marika, and has blood that's "diluded" according to one of the npcs (forgot which one), so he's likley a grandson or great grandson. Heck, Godefroy could have very likley been a child of Godwyn, and thus why he isn't mentioned among Marika's direct descendants
Worth mentioning that Golden Shade Godfrey (boss fight before Morgott) is probably another illusion that Morgott was casting (same hue as his illusionary weapons)
@@UnholyWrath3277 Could've been a manifestation of the Golden Order, some group specifically to provide "safeguard" against those who journey too far down
If the Greater Will is even willing to consider Dungeater as a viable solution to the shattering, I genuinely have no idea why Morgott wasn't considered a worthy champion and successor.
The Golden Order doesn’t technically accept the Dungeater as a viable solution. You receive a mending rune which the DE created himself and basically shove it into the Elden Ring. So its possible that the Greater Will had no say in “accepting” that order.
@@jellydamgood But it really seems like he was willing to enter the Erdtree, only the thorns wouldn't let him. (I guess I also have no idea how the Greater Will/guidance of grace, from which Iji has to use his tin foil mirror hat to avoid it reading his mind and foiling Ranni's plans, somehow isn't aware that the Erdtree is not accepting visitors at this time.) It is probably fair to say that he wasn't willing to change things enough that he'd set the Erdtree on fire, though.
@@jellydamgood On the one hand, it was only guiding him to gather shards and mend it. Presumably not to go around making seedbeds. But on the other hand, other tarnished were disqualified from candidacy for much less than serial cannibalistic corpse defiling and locking yourself in a prison cell with no apparent intention of making any progress toward lordship whatsoever.
Honestly, part of me wants to be mad at him for abandoning his omen brethren, but… I can’t, not really. The dude was force fed indoctrination and self hatred from the day he was born, he was shamed and unloved, and only found solace in the Golden Order and preserving that rule, like a knight. Dude was the last man standing, the last living one anyway, to stand as defense. Dude’s a madlad, and while it does suck that he had the Omens as his army, or kept them imprisoned, I can’t really get mad at him. He hates them because he hates himself; while it sucks that he didn’t embrace his Omenhood until the very end of his life, it’s understandable. He didn’t enslave them, he doesn’t seem malicious, dude’s a product of his upbringing. And while Mohg did embrace his omenhood, which is cool, and while he was kind of indoctrinated by the Formless mother, which I don’t blame him for, he did a lot of other really bad, and really conscious things, that he wasn’t raised to do. For that I blame him for. Mohg and Morgott are two of the most fascinating characters to me, and they’re the two characters that I wished, more than any other character except Miquella, had a different path. A constructive one, a caring one, because they probably would’ve been more powerful than any of the other demigods. And I think that’s interesting.
And what exactly did Mohg do that was so bad? Obviously the biggest one would be the whole Miquella thing but what else did he do that was so bad? Because everything that he’s done was for the purpose of creating a new establishment that doesn’t discriminate or oppress racial minorities in the Lands Between. Unlike his brother, he didn’t submit and try to uphold a fascist theocracy that wants non-humans dead. It’s crazy how people can excuse Morgott’s warcrimes in the name of a racist government but Mohg gets crucified for his.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Mohg's end goal isn't to end racism or something, he just wants to be in charge. While Morgott's torture made him believe that the problem is with him and he needed to recant his nature to be even borderline acceptable, Mohg thought that the reason he's tortured is that he doesn't have enough power, and he can only avoid his fate by being the most powerful of them all. And while working toward that goal, he founded a cult that hunts innocent people to strengthen their blood magic, communed with an outer god even more fucked up than the Greater Will, and, of course, proceeded to abduct and rape the only truly benevolent demigod who was possibly on the brink of actually fixing everything. Given that he was imprisoned and tortured as a child, it's understandable that he ended up like this, but while Morgott's morals are questionable at many places, Mohg is just straight up evil.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Mohg has his entire army of Bloody Fingers that hunts down everything everyone indiscriminately. He might not be a fascist but he is just as genocidal as them. Also whether Morgott's government is worse than Mohg's is purely based on political view. You think Morgott is more terrible because The Golden Order is "racist" (truth is it's more complicated than that) but I think Mohgwyn dynasty is more fucked up because it only functions based on satiating the Formless Mother, which includes: assassination, sacrifice, murder, deception, abduction, torture and more. And those happened inside court as well just look at the pile of bodies inside the palace. I don't know about you but that sounds a lot worse than a government discriminates things that pose as a threat to its order.
My thoughts on Godfrey and Morgott's relationship is a bit more generous, although it's all probably merely conjecture. Some of Marika's echoes seem to be giving Godfrey an ultimatum. Specifically the Dectus dialogue: "Become one with the order. Or divest thyself of it." This could be seen as her making him take his promise as a lord to quell his bloodthirst, but I think it could come later when Godfrey, leader of the Crucible Knights, takes pity on Morgott or even protests his imprisonment. I wonder if Morgott and Mohg's imprisonment was perhaps the inciting incident of Godfrey *AND* his warriors being sent away? Godfrey for his continued worship of the crucible, and his knights for the same.
I feel like there might be something to that, especially given Godfrey's scene right before ending fight. To me there was a lot of regret and sorrow in how Godfrey address Morgott.
I already appreciated Morgott’s character, and questioned the circumstances around Godfrey being “hounded” from the Lands Between. Godfrey choosing his sons and knights over being Lord is now my head cannon. Thank you sir. CHRIST IS KING
Also, the whole story behind how Godfrey lost his grace and was banished just doesn’t make sense to me, it’s said that he lost his grace after he killed his last worthy foe, but we find this out at the Sword Monument at the Limgrave/Caelid border.
That color theory video is one of the best lore videos i've seen, so eye opening. Those large "revolutionary" type of essays that change the way one sees a story, are what i hope this channel continues to provide. Keep em comin!
Eredin: Makes a video called "Elden Ring is a beautiful woman with a boring personality" Hawkshaw's Color Theory video: "Hold my beer" and proceeds to destroy Eredin's position. It wasn't a response to Eredin's video, but though I generally love his content.... he was way off. Elden Ring is a beautiful woman whose personality is a textbook case of "still waters run deep". Reserved, but with A LOT going on under the hood.
I don't know if you're into the original dark souls, but I think it was Hawkshaw here who did a 1-2 hour video all about Havel the rock and a plot against the gods. I've never seen anyone else acknowledge that thesis, but it seems like all the lore folks only skimmed the surface of have. It is one of "those" types of essays. It was the one that showed me how an entire novel could be written and the plot hidden in symbols. I highly recommend watching it. Wish youtube was a little more of a social platform (even though I hate social media) bc I'd love to know your thoughts if you end up watching it
@@michaelwerkov3438 I have seen that video yes, however, as you correctly speculated, Dark Souls lore isn't particularly interesting to me. I'm more of a Bloodborne or Elden ring type of guy. I really wish he did some BB lore vids, though there's not much left to discover in that game, i think.
1:43 I believe Godwyn was the first borne. He was likely born at the height of the Erdtree's power. Morgott and Mohg were born Omens because the Erdtree's powers were waning, they are Omens OF the Erdtree's waning power. If "The Tarnished Archaeologist" is on to something with his videos the Erdtree is akin to real world Tree Grafting and omens are the root suckers from the original tree (or the great tree), hence why Omens are related to things made during the time of the crucible. They are "omens" of another crucible coming.
A little late to the party here but this makes perfect sense. In life, Godwyn was the embodiment of everything the Golden Order and the Erdtree were in the Age of Plenty. Beautiful, strong, golden almost literally. Since according to some item descriptions the Age of Plenty was brief, it could be that Morgott and Mohg were born after it, and thus as Omens because the “plenty” was already fading.
0:15 Morgott used omens for war, but also to make them go out of the sewers. We can see that there are Omens in the sewers. So, Morgott couldn't have forced them to come to battle. More like he offered them a chance to prove their loyalty to the Erdtree in a way that would have been deemed acceptable by the citizens of Leyndell and also without raising suspicions about his identity. At least, this is my theory. Maybe it is wrong, but it could also be right. The Romans used to do the same thing with the people/races they conquered.
i always assumed, like mohg, he used them as protectors to the discovery of the three fingers its actually the only case in the game that implies a relationship between mohg and morgott, since morgotts seal was there as well to guard people from discovering it
@@skelemania356 either that or it made a projection of the real mogh to use for his purposes. I don't exclude that Mogh consented to that, the lord of the frenzy flame is a threat to both.
@@creeperYT9824I see where are you coming from, but I think that’s not likely. Sewer Mohg dresses in his Lord of Blood vestments, if it’s an illusion left by him to fool Morgott into thinking he’s still there, won’t him make it look more sewer-appropriate (with her lack of better words)? And if Morgott knew he’s the lord of blood and his connection with the Formless Mother, what would make him think he could hold Mohg there? Also, sewer Mohg wasn’t always there, he only appears when we enter, with a cloud of blood on top of that. Together with him disappearing in sparks of gold upon defeat, I propose that sewer Mohg is a joint effort between the omen twin, a combination of both of their powers--Mohg’s power and Morgott’s gift with illusions. They may have their differences, but could both agree that the Frenzied Flame was the bigger threat.
Morgott reminds me so much of Gwendolyn. Kept secret by their parents. Rules from the shadows once their parent is gone. Has some sort of curse. Masters of illusion. Runs a covenant of assassins who work at night. The only difference is one is much hotter than the other. I'll let you figure out which one I mean.
@@dunistaygeekin do it at level 50 or so, he's still not as hard as some other bosses but the moveset is the best in the series and definently worth doing an rl1 kill of him. also I always have squishy lightroll builds, experiences may very if your playstyle is more balanced
Do you ever think when he died that the erdtree, the golden order & greater will itself only accepted him as its current champion because the tree & greater will was stuck in the boat of Beggars can't be choosers therefore gave Grace and attention to Morgott even though I truly believe it was using him to its own ends
Yeah, most definitely. The greater will is an asshole and if it had gotten someone else, Morgott would have been dropped quicker than a red hot pan out of the oven.
Spot on analysis as always. One thing I speculate about Morgott’s character is that in addition to viewing his siblings as traitors for taking the Great Runes and warring for supremacy instead of coming together, he also views himself as the rightful heir to the throne and the others owe allegiance to him because he is of the Golden lineage. Given that the backstories of the Demigods were written by George R.R. Martin, Morgott has often been compared to Stannis Baratheon from G.O.T. I also noticed the parallels and think it creates extra context to his disdain for his siblings. With that in mind, Morgott obviously stands for the status quo of the Golden Order and is adamantly against anything that would supplant/reorganize/revolutionize it. Though I do wonder what sort of new order Demigods envisioned should they have won. For some of them we don’t have to speculate, like Ranni (whose quest/ending just shows us) same thing with Mohg, Miquella and Malenia, all of them wanted to outright change things with their new orders. And presumably Rykard’s wasn’t all that different from the Flame of Frenzy, except he gets to DEVOUR THE GODS. However, we don’t really know what Godrick and Radahn had planned. I generally think they were pro-Golden Order but maybe it just wasn’t enough for Morgott. Though it seems that it wasn’t well known that the entrance to the Erdtree was blocked, only Morgott seemed to know and accepted this as a rejection and in turn took it upon himself to reject all other candidates. Given that the only option was to burn the Erdtree, Morgott was never going to let that happen, but the others would’ve had to if they ever got passed him. I theorize that, Rykard probably figured it out and was A-okay with it (blasphemy and all that) and why he studied magma sorcery, it adds context to why Morgott hates him especially. If I were to guess Radahn likely learned the truth from Rykard and accepted the Erdtree as a necessary sacrifice for his conquest. To anyone who read all this, I hope you found it interesting.
I dont know if Morgott sees himself as the true heir. Since he becomes anrgy but also shocked and sad in the second phase change where "the thrones (are) strained by my curse". That sounds like he doesnt see himself fit for the throne, because of his curse. Him calling himself king, well, he calls himself the last king. Maybe cause he is the last one willing to stand up, he and his curse, cause nobody else will. Thats why he cally them "traitors all", since he, the shunned son, does out of necessity what the others dont wanna do.
@@backpug1228 Very good point. He doesn’t have a high opinion of himself because of his Omen Curse, and he sees himself as a failure that couldn’t become Elden Lord (granted Radagon was blocking the entrance).
It's worth noting that when you take Morgott's Great Rune, he shrivels; It's my assertion that his Great Rune was keeping him functional, as it grants vitality and he recanted his own blood. He was willing to become dependant on a Great Rune simply to live rather than suffer his cursed blood.
That’s a good point! I’ve never thought about that. He probably only was able to recant his omen blood after receiving his Great Rune, and that could also be why he’s smaller than Mohg. And I don’t subscribe to the idea that his human appearance at the end was any sort of blessing or acceptance from the Erdtree or Greater Will. That’s probably just a side effect of losing all the omen blood he coughed up in second phase.
I was thinking it was the other way around. It was the rune that was making him omen. He had blood from a human and blood from a numen. And when we take the rune, we take his curse from him.
I don't think he was rejected by the Greater Will, but by the Erdtree - the Greater Will doesn't seem to care much for any order in particular, and we know it takes a long time for its will to reach us (based on Enya's dialogue you get after beating Morgott and being blocked by the thorns) Also, how do we know it was Margit who put Alecto in the evergaol? I mean, it seems a bit strange to put her in a gaol near the Moonlight Altar, to which access is highly restricted, the place being unlikely to be accessible to ones outside of the Carian Royal Family - I think that Alecto escaped, but was put in the gaol by Ranni so as to prevent the knowledge of Ranni's involvement in the Night of Black Knives.
I was so excited when I woke up and saw this notification. What a fantastic video. Crazy. Poor Morgott. I knew his story was sad by his last words and his ost. But this. Wow.
Having finished the video, I'd like to add the flavor text of Morgott's Great Rune for posterity. "This Great Rune is the anchor ring that houses the base, and proves two things: That the Omen King was born of the golden lineage, and that he was indeed the Lord of Leyndell."
While a great video as usual, after hearing 'Heal' from Ico I must take a moment to express my gratitude for the impeccable music choice throughout all of your work, as well as the clarity in which you share it in the description (unlike so many others). Thank you for the many additions to my music library that you are nigh wholly responsible for :)
At 1:42 What I think is that the Twins were born first, as Morgott’s great rune reads that it is the anchor for all the other great runes. It just makes sense to me that they were first for that reason. And it also could be why Marika was so broken by Godwyn’s death, and not Morgott’s. The twins were sent away when they were very young (just old enough to have formed bonds with their parents and learning to talk but still young). They were sent away, and for who knows how long the family had been separated. Marika could’ve become dejected or gradually lost feelings for her children in their absence. However, when the next child was born, she got to keep Godwyn, she had the chance to be with her youngest son, and he was able to live all the way into adulthood as family and loved by many. Because Morgott and Mohg were taken from her by the order, she could have become even more so attached to Godwyn. Marika most likely feared loosing him too. Yet despite this fear, she ended up losing the only child she had the chance to actually love and raise. (Morgott’s definitely my favorite character in all of Elden Ring’s Story, and his story is one of my favorites as well.)
Never stop ssrching for me you are one if not the beat lore channel out there your deep dives still have me thinking about ds1 and beyond can't wait for more glad to see the team making lore videos agen
Just want to put some appreciation for how the clip at 30:15 was made. They sat at a grace, _repositioned the camera to avoid the vignette from changing time,_ then did a slow motion shot of the times instantly changing. That’s why the environmental aspects like the trees, weather, and trebuchets all go very slowly in a frame by frame rather than rapidly A slow motion shot made to look like a sped-up time lapse, it’s pretty neat to think about. You can also instantly obtain the footage instead of letting your computer sit for two and a half hours with screen recording on lol
Since you brought it up--who's to say the omen twins weren't the first children of Godfrey and Marika? If they were born before the age of the Erdtree (the age of Gold) then they would have obviously been born during the age of the Great Tree, where all colors mix. To remedy this it would only make sense after their birth that SHE cast her children to the depths (as Godfrey would have been presumably comfortable having children of the crucible). She would then make Godrfrey put her would-be enemies to the sword in order to make her age of Gold. An age where she could have a perfect child. Afterward, when Godwyn sided with Dragons, it could then assumed that it was Godfrey's blood that allowed a spiritual "mixing of colors" to happen within Godwyn. Seeing this she called back Radogan, assuming that the only way to have the perfect heir (one alloyed/allied with no other) was to have a child with herself.
@@legitplayin6977 As long as nobody forces you to make one, I don't see any issue. If you don't enjoy the game then just don't play it. I actually prefer the atmoshpere of Dark Souls 1 & 3 over Elden Ring.
@@legitplayin6977 All of us started somewhere with the From Soft Saga, I started with vanilla Dark Souls II and it was ridiculously difficult for me but I kept with it at my own pace and eventually completed the game in 65 hours. It was the most satisfying perseverance game I had played since childhood.
@@OneStarRating I played Dark Souls, Dark souls II, Sekiro and Elden ring. The only one that I actually finished was sekiro. I just find the others way too difficult for me.
Your idea that Morgott was released by Marika to lead the nights calvary is awesome 👌. I just assumed he had been freed after the shattering, but your theory makes way more sense and adds much more to his character. Thank you; your videos have been rockin lately keep it up👍.
I was just coming here to say this as well, it makes a lot of sense and fills in a lot of his missing time between birth and the current state of things. Plus really hammers in the self-loathing but dutiful aspect of his personality that he could have left before or after the Shattering -- but stayed.
18:30 oh wow, you used the music of the Old Camp from Gothic 1 to match this. The old camp is the embodyment of an established structure that surpresses everyone who might challenge their power. They even throw out the Hero as soon as their main source of influence - the mine - collapses and makes apparent that they can no longer allow a powerful guy to be part of their scheme. Well placed!
And we just got the video on miquella today, too! It's so weird... Marika and radagon are central to the story, yet somehow it makes sense for them to be so vague and nondescript, more like forces than people. But... the more I learn about the game, whether you consider the cut content of the dream brew and kalé's quest or not, it seems more and more like miquella is the main character in such a way that his vagueness NEEDS resolved in a way that marika's doesnt. And i hope I don't just feel that way subjectively, and that objectively there really is something missing from the game that will be covered in DLC. Personally, even though I'd love to see a new world, a dlc fleshing out the merchant's quest/letters and kale's quest to the 3fingers, and a dlc bringing back dream mist/dream brews/st trina and finishing miquellas story would be enough for me. And what would REALLY blow my mind is if the Malenia fight changes, such that you battle her if you dont have the Unalloyed needle, or if you DO have the unalloyed needle AND the frenzied flame, like you're fighting for the needle. But if you have the needle and not the frenzied flame, she could become an npc and a key piece of lore
My absolute favorite character in elden ring his hatred towards tarnished and almost everything else is badass he truly has the best lines in the entire game
Love the video and your channel, been watching since the start and so happy to see you back making videos! Also, just wanted to say that "Mohg" is pronounced like "Moag" not "Mogg".
One day we'll return together, to our home, bathed in rays of gold. There is only one tree, and only it's branches, that bathe in true rays of gold. Not the fool Omen king, nor the rank malformed twins. Oh we are the golden ones, the true and rightful heirs. Our land's grown old now. Ashen and cold. But look up! The Erdtree glows! One day we'll return together, to our home, bathed in rays of gold. And Grace will surely guide us safe, to our home, bathed in rays of gold.
Leyndell Catacombs have two separate and similar underground crypts. This detail is not shared by any other catacomb in game. Something has broken down a wall that separates catacomb complex from the sewer Shunning Grounds. And many imps have fled out from the aperture, stalking now the sewers. Mohg's shackle is found near the breach. Furthermore, Esgar, priest of blood, resides in the other crypt-chamber of Leyndell Catacombs. It would seem likely that Leyndell Catacombs held both Mohg and Morgott in these twin chambers, separate, but in same complex at least. After Elden Ring was broken, shackles diminished in power, and twins were able to wrestle free. It would seem that Omens escaped by breaking down the walls to enter the sewers, and Morgott climbed outside, while Mohg remained underground. Mohg discarded his shackle soon thereafter in the sewers. Omen Twins are far too precious for Golden Order to live in filth like rest of the omen-kind, so that powers to be built entire hidden catacomb complex dedicated to them makes sense. Later, Esgar, Priest of Blood, would view Mohg's containment chamber as a holy site, or martyr's tomb, which it is.
Well Morgott didn’t actually believe he died with honor. When defeated he has some short dialogue and mentions that no one may claim title of Elden Lord , and only end up in failure just as he himself did. And he did not live a life of honor, because he was known as the “veiled monarch” of Lyndell as Sir Gideon says in Roundtable. The royal capital never knew that its king was an Omen. He knew he was spurned by the Erdtree yet he loved it still, as his remembrance states.
With no disrespect to Hawkshaw but Morgott could never have served Marika by her side at all. When the shattering happened (thanks to Marika falling to the brink for the murder of her golden child Godwyn the Golden which led her to shatter the ring, or herself essentially) the shards of the ring were scattered to the demigods, all Marika’s offspring as the opening cinematic states. Most of them went mad with the power acquired from the great runes of the shards creating a war that would leave its mark millennia after the event, the Great War known as the Shattering. So unfortunately Morgott never met his parents again. Queen Marika would not let her new epoch of the Erdtree and her Golden Order be sullied by her two cursed Omen children ever. She was a ruthless goddess after all. Anything that fell outside of her Golden Order was to be cut off, even her two Omen children. Godfrey in a distant land now and Marika herself shattered and imprisoned in the Erdtree. But going back to the subject of Morgott, during the shattering’s calamity is when Morgott (and Mohg) must have escaped the shunning grounds. And we see Morgott even fighting in the war during a small scene in the opening cinematic. I’m sure it was a fight to take his rightful place as king of Lyndell since his father had yet to return. And as you mentioned Hawkshaw, to send after those that murdered Godwyn.
But alas I may be wrong too with all that I’m saying. If anyone has any comments to argue otherwise with what I’ve said I would love to hear it. It’d be a learning experience for me. I’m basing my statements following the timeline given in the game beginning with the narrative explaining the shattering; caused by Marika and what proceeded onward for Morgott.
I was afraid this would be a retread of Smoughtown's video on Morgott (Not your intent I know) And was, in typical Hawkshaw video fashion, promptly hit with the verbal hook of "Morgott doesn't care about his Omen Bretheren" And knew it would show the Other, subtler side of Morgott. Always a quality video from a quality channel.
Morgott is a pitiable man, but he was every bit as destructive to the land of any of his siblings. In some ways, he did even more damage by preventing anyone else from taking the throne, leaving to thousands of years of chaos and decay while keeping the same cruel policies the Golden Order demanded all the time.
29:07 they changed the scene right at that time. I remember last year when I went to that spot it was a omen sitting there with a bunch of omen kids and not the slaves and you could actually attack them. But it was kind of cute just little omen kids and there mother . I thought it was a good seen. I understand why they took it out
Please make more amazing videos like this. They put most other content to shame. You and the Tarnished archaeologist are fantastic. Its sad to see Vaati become far less of content maker with his sub-par videos in elden ring that anyone can make better. His Dark souls videos were legendary and sadly make his elden ring videos seem like they're just dry, and like he's not at all in love with it as he once was. I hope to see a return with great content such as yours. Thank you Hawkshaw
If Morgotts Night Calvary captured the leader, why would she be sealed at the moonlight altar? I had believed Ranni imprisoned her, because (I believed) the Black Knives stole a piece of the death rune from Ranni after Ranni stole some. Do we know how Ranni did that, BTW? My memories been rusty lately.
but it was Alecto who is sealed in the evergaol though, not tiche. tiche died and is a spirit ash accordingly. Also I'm pretty sure ranni was the true catalyst of the night of black knives
@@094176 I edited my comment, for getting the names wrong. To my knowledge, they never state Ranni factually is involved with intent to kill Godwyn. If she hadn't stolen a fragment, then the Black Knives wouldn't have it to use of Godwyn. That's why I was asking for proof that she was involved. I believed the Black Knives stole it, not given it. Why would the leader be in the evergaol if not?
From BLASPHEMOUS CLAW: On the night of the dire plot, Ranni rewarded Praetor Rykard with these traces. Should the coming trespass one day transpire, they would serve as a last-resort foil, allowing Rykard to challenge Maliketh the Black Blade, the black beast of Destined Death. This surely hints that Ranni and Rykard were involved in the stole of the rune of Death. Ranni and Rykard surely were the most blasphemous of the Shard Bearers and I think it is because they knew about Radagon's identity who used their whole family and Kingdom as tools to control the whole of the Lands Between, How ranni could sneak into Maliketh domain could be part of her Great Rune power wich we never could find, and that maybe could be part of the DLC plot, we are missing Radagon's and Ranni's runes.
Completely agree Tim. Morgott would not have had access to the Moonlight alter. Electo being imprisoned up there was most likely Ranni’s doing, based on location at least. Most likely because Ranni only meant to kill her Empyrean flesh, not murder Godwyn. That was a plan enacted by a separate force who knew what Ranni was up to, the Black Knife assassins of the eternal city (and possibly their informant, Queen Marika herself), who sought to destabilize the realm. Ranni was just a convenient scapegoat.
26:29 I don't think the erdtree rejects Morgott. He just simply can't pass the thorns created by Radagon, and never did the 1+1 math of connecting both. It is even obvious to the fingers that one can't enter the erdtree without burning the thorns, but Morgott somehow believed he was rejected, in the same way Gideon believed no Tarnished can ever become Elden Lord - but that sentiment might merely be the influence of Radagon, trying to preserve the current order. Also, Morgott doesen't even own enaugh great runes to mend the Elden Ring, and stopped making an efforts to get his hands on them. Anyway, great piece of work!
Great video. Missed opportunity to add at 24:02 "deluded, or desperate enough, to start an entirely new Order" and show the failed Haligtree for "desperate." All in good fun, of course - but it would've been poignant imo since Miquella tried such a promising but ultimately futile thing, all to save his sister and (perhaps) separate his people from enthrallment of the original Erdtree, of all Outer Gods: the Order of Unalloyed Gold
24:21 Wait wait. Marika orchestrated the night of the black knives no ? That much i think was more or less cofnirmed. Or if nothing else, she at least allowed it.
I like to think that him dieing in human form is the golden order finally accepting him... only in death did it it give him anything. And then.. to target us with Horah Loux
in another life Mohg & Morgott could have embraced their omen nature and rebeled against the golden order re-establishing the crucible that ruled before the age of the erdtree, with their fellow omen becoming reviered as they once were making papa proud, (and mom not so much)
Marika is much closer to Odin than any other Norse deity. Odin was also a trickster, but sacrificed everything for knowledge. She's also very similar to Lilith in Evangelion, but that's another story.
Morgott deserved better. He was an exceptional individual, especially considering the circumstances of his Omen nature. He was dedicated and self-sacrificing, and any actual flaws in his character can be squarely be blamed on Marika and the Greater Will's negligence. Even if he cannot be allowed to enter the Erdtree and risk affecting the Elden Ring itself, Marika and the Greater Will should have honoured him with true kingship and entrusted him to find a suitable replacement Lord. It is clear that his devotion is such that would not betray the Order she represented and would only seek one that could fix the flaw that allowed for, among other things, people being born into the torturous existance of an Omen. If he was given that task, I believe he would have eventually decided on Goldmask; the one who has figured out the faults and conceived of a solution, not for a new Order, but a perfected version of the current one.
I don’t think it’s a matter of “being accepted in Leyndell) but a matter of no one knows if anyone is sitting on the throne of the Elden King. Those few who ventured to see never came back because the shade of Godfrey and Black Knife got them before they could make it to him.
I wonder if there are any clues how those Body Projections work. Morgott projects himself as Margit all over the map. Mohg projects himself into the Shunning Grounds. Gowry projects himself onto a Kindred of Rot. Sellen projects herself all over the place. Even Ranni projects herself next to our first Merchand dude and his dog. Golden Shade Godfrey is a projection. The Finger Maidens are projections. Bell Bearing Hunter projects himself right into our faces, while his real body is admiring a painting of Malenia. Malekith projects himself as Gurranq from fricking Farum Azula into Caelid. And we all know the projections are not just ghosts, no they're all THERE. We all know how real Margit caved in our head the couple of first tries. But are there hints how it works in-universe? A spell? A school of magic?
31:18 he makes a valud point. As players, we just hop into worlds with zero understanding of how they work or their history and think we're doing what we need to in order to win. I may be reading into it too much, but it's almost like a fourth wall break.
Man this video was beautiful 😭 you've just convinced me that Morgott was the best demi god. I wish there was some kind of a mount and blade or total war for Elden ring so I can fight for Morgott. I hope you make more for the rest of the demi gods
Speaking of illusions, it is quite apparent the Erdtree was burned by the black flame apostasy and the Golden one that stands in its place, like Goldfrey, is a Golden shade created by the Greater Will. That’s why only a small portion of the Erdtree is actually wood. Obviously these shades are physical, as Godfrey, First Elden Lord can physically interact with the world, and the Golden Shade of the Erdtree still burns and creates ashes.
Great video, but the Greater Will abandoned the world in the wake of the Shattering. All of the grace we interact with in game is from Marika, her only goal is to slay the Elden Beast, so Morgott helps in that trial.
Hmmm, aren't animal parts considered divine prior to the age of the erdtree? As per one of the horn items descriptions in game. And it was a viewpoint that slowly became more and more taboo as the age of the erdtree became more and more gentrified. I think that should be proof enough that he was born long into the age of the erdtree. After things like the Colosseums were closed, and the crucible knights lost their status. Had Morgott and Mohg been born early into their marriage, the two would likely have been paraded as a blessing and champions, proof that they had divine favour.
Is Morgott the Batman of Elden Ring?
This is a comparison we liked from @giraffegod2951 who commented on one of the shorts!
Morgott is the dark souls of batmen
Wait ! We Player are Joker ?!
Batman wasnt marginalized before doing his crimefighting so I don't think the comparison is very accurate.
Strange enough. Morgott is more tyrion from GOT. Though their appearance,they will do their duty to the end.
I never realized this character detail until you pointed it out at 30:54 ! By referring to Godrick as "the Golden" instead of "the Grafted," Morgott implies that he believes even Godrick, the weakest and most cowardly of the demigods, to be inherently superior to his omen self. Incredible video as always :)
probably was the only one who still believed in Godrick. For godrick as much of a coward and monster as he was.. Still was just as obsessed as Morgott when it came to the golden order. I still have many questions about Godefroy though.
@@WildArmACF Godrick was the only other one who still held himself in a lordly way and upheld relative knightly order in his realm, as pathetic as he might have been. All the other ones are absent, deranged or both.
@@WildArmACF Did you miss the part where Morgott calls them “willful traitors all”?
@C K *Godrick’s
@@WildArmACFI'm pretty sure that Godefroy was Godrick's father. To my knowledge, Godrick isn't a direct descendant of Godfrey and Marika, and has blood that's "diluded" according to one of the npcs (forgot which one), so he's likley a grandson or great grandson. Heck, Godefroy could have very likley been a child of Godwyn, and thus why he isn't mentioned among Marika's direct descendants
Worth mentioning that Golden Shade Godfrey (boss fight before Morgott) is probably another illusion that Morgott was casting (same hue as his illusionary weapons)
And the same crucible symbol appears under him as the fake Margit in the Altus Plateau
Did he mention the mohg in the shunning grounds? That mohg and the wall to the frenzied flame are also morgott illusions
@@michaelwerkov3438the mohg is almost assuredly not morgott as hes the only one that stays after morgott is slain
@@UnholyWrath3277 Could've been a manifestation of the Golden Order, some group specifically to provide "safeguard" against those who journey too far down
@@kanseidorifto2430 Maybe Mohg was born with this power too, but he abandoned it after making a pact with the mother.
If the Greater Will is even willing to consider Dungeater as a viable solution to the shattering, I genuinely have no idea why Morgott wasn't considered a worthy champion and successor.
Probably because Morgott wants to keep the stagnation ongoing, and is unwilling to change anything.
The Golden Order doesn’t technically accept the Dungeater as a viable solution. You receive a mending rune which the DE created himself and basically shove it into the Elden Ring. So its possible that the Greater Will had no say in “accepting” that order.
@@Austib_ That's not quite correct either. Dung man was regiven grace. And that's the greater will's purview.
@@jellydamgood But it really seems like he was willing to enter the Erdtree, only the thorns wouldn't let him.
(I guess I also have no idea how the Greater Will/guidance of grace, from which Iji has to use his tin foil mirror hat to avoid it reading his mind and foiling Ranni's plans, somehow isn't aware that the Erdtree is not accepting visitors at this time.)
It is probably fair to say that he wasn't willing to change things enough that he'd set the Erdtree on fire, though.
@@jellydamgood On the one hand, it was only guiding him to gather shards and mend it. Presumably not to go around making seedbeds.
But on the other hand, other tarnished were disqualified from candidacy for much less than serial cannibalistic corpse defiling and locking yourself in a prison cell with no apparent intention of making any progress toward lordship whatsoever.
Honestly, part of me wants to be mad at him for abandoning his omen brethren, but… I can’t, not really. The dude was force fed indoctrination and self hatred from the day he was born, he was shamed and unloved, and only found solace in the Golden Order and preserving that rule, like a knight. Dude was the last man standing, the last living one anyway, to stand as defense. Dude’s a madlad, and while it does suck that he had the Omens as his army, or kept them imprisoned, I can’t really get mad at him. He hates them because he hates himself; while it sucks that he didn’t embrace his Omenhood until the very end of his life, it’s understandable. He didn’t enslave them, he doesn’t seem malicious, dude’s a product of his upbringing. And while Mohg did embrace his omenhood, which is cool, and while he was kind of indoctrinated by the Formless mother, which I don’t blame him for, he did a lot of other really bad, and really conscious things, that he wasn’t raised to do. For that I blame him for. Mohg and Morgott are two of the most fascinating characters to me, and they’re the two characters that I wished, more than any other character except Miquella, had a different path. A constructive one, a caring one, because they probably would’ve been more powerful than any of the other demigods. And I think that’s interesting.
And what exactly did Mohg do that was so bad? Obviously the biggest one would be the whole Miquella thing but what else did he do that was so bad? Because everything that he’s done was for the purpose of creating a new establishment that doesn’t discriminate or oppress racial minorities in the Lands Between. Unlike his brother, he didn’t submit and try to uphold a fascist theocracy that wants non-humans dead. It’s crazy how people can excuse Morgott’s warcrimes in the name of a racist government but Mohg gets crucified for his.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 He has a blood cult
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Mohg's end goal isn't to end racism or something, he just wants to be in charge. While Morgott's torture made him believe that the problem is with him and he needed to recant his nature to be even borderline acceptable, Mohg thought that the reason he's tortured is that he doesn't have enough power, and he can only avoid his fate by being the most powerful of them all. And while working toward that goal, he founded a cult that hunts innocent people to strengthen their blood magic, communed with an outer god even more fucked up than the Greater Will, and, of course, proceeded to abduct and rape the only truly benevolent demigod who was possibly on the brink of actually fixing everything. Given that he was imprisoned and tortured as a child, it's understandable that he ended up like this, but while Morgott's morals are questionable at many places, Mohg is just straight up evil.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64 Mohg has his entire army of Bloody Fingers that hunts down everything everyone indiscriminately. He might not be a fascist but he is just as genocidal as them. Also whether Morgott's government is worse than Mohg's is purely based on political view. You think Morgott is more terrible because The Golden Order is "racist" (truth is it's more complicated than that) but I think Mohgwyn dynasty is more fucked up because it only functions based on satiating the Formless Mother, which includes: assassination, sacrifice, murder, deception, abduction, torture and more. And those happened inside court as well just look at the pile of bodies inside the palace. I don't know about you but that sounds a lot worse than a government discriminates things that pose as a threat to its order.
@@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64tell us you’re a leftist without telling us you’re a leftist.
Morgott: The man, the myth, the omen
My thoughts on Godfrey and Morgott's relationship is a bit more generous, although it's all probably merely conjecture. Some of Marika's echoes seem to be giving Godfrey an ultimatum. Specifically the Dectus dialogue: "Become one with the order. Or divest thyself of it." This could be seen as her making him take his promise as a lord to quell his bloodthirst, but I think it could come later when Godfrey, leader of the Crucible Knights, takes pity on Morgott or even protests his imprisonment. I wonder if Morgott and Mohg's imprisonment was perhaps the inciting incident of Godfrey *AND* his warriors being sent away? Godfrey for his continued worship of the crucible, and his knights for the same.
I feel like there might be something to that, especially given Godfrey's scene right before ending fight. To me there was a lot of regret and sorrow in how Godfrey address Morgott.
I already appreciated Morgott’s character, and questioned the circumstances around Godfrey being “hounded” from the Lands Between.
Godfrey choosing his sons and knights over being Lord is now my head cannon. Thank you sir.
CHRIST IS KING
@@basedautist3761 then he most likely would of yeeted serosh away cause he aint much of a general and more of a lord with him..
@@valkoroska2369 serosh was also godfrey's friend so it doesn't seem likely that godfrey would abandon him frivilously
Also, the whole story behind how Godfrey lost his grace and was banished just doesn’t make sense to me, it’s said that he lost his grace after he killed his last worthy foe, but we find this out at the Sword Monument at the Limgrave/Caelid border.
"Can you fix the broken?
Can you feel, can you feel my heart?" - Morgott
The Chad Morgott
CAN YOU FELL MY HEART
That color theory video is one of the best lore videos i've seen, so eye opening. Those large "revolutionary" type of essays that change the way one sees a story, are what i hope this channel continues to provide. Keep em comin!
Eredin: Makes a video called "Elden Ring is a beautiful woman with a boring personality"
Hawkshaw's Color Theory video: "Hold my beer" and proceeds to destroy Eredin's position.
It wasn't a response to Eredin's video, but though I generally love his content.... he was way off. Elden Ring is a beautiful woman whose personality is a textbook case of "still waters run deep". Reserved, but with A LOT going on under the hood.
I don't know if you're into the original dark souls, but I think it was Hawkshaw here who did a 1-2 hour video all about Havel the rock and a plot against the gods.
I've never seen anyone else acknowledge that thesis, but it seems like all the lore folks only skimmed the surface of have.
It is one of "those" types of essays. It was the one that showed me how an entire novel could be written and the plot hidden in symbols.
I highly recommend watching it. Wish youtube was a little more of a social platform (even though I hate social media) bc I'd love to know your thoughts if you end up watching it
@@michaelwerkov3438 I have seen that video yes, however, as you correctly speculated, Dark Souls lore isn't particularly interesting to me. I'm more of a Bloodborne or Elden ring type of guy. I really wish he did some BB lore vids, though there's not much left to discover in that game, i think.
Legit. I've been rewatching that video nearly on the daily and I still pick something new out of it everyday. Absolutely fantastic work HAWKSHAW! 🎨🙏💖
@@michaelwerkov3438 yeah that was one of his best videos
1:43
I believe Godwyn was the first borne. He was likely born at the height of the Erdtree's power. Morgott and Mohg were born Omens because the Erdtree's powers were waning, they are Omens OF the Erdtree's waning power. If "The Tarnished Archaeologist" is on to something with his videos the Erdtree is akin to real world Tree Grafting and omens are the root suckers from the original tree (or the great tree), hence why Omens are related to things made during the time of the crucible. They are "omens" of another crucible coming.
I just posted something of an entirely opposite take to this, but I like your take as well.
A little late to the party here but this makes perfect sense. In life, Godwyn was the embodiment of everything the Golden Order and the Erdtree were in the Age of Plenty. Beautiful, strong, golden almost literally.
Since according to some item descriptions the Age of Plenty was brief, it could be that Morgott and Mohg were born after it, and thus as Omens because the “plenty” was already fading.
0:15 Morgott used omens for war, but also to make them go out of the sewers. We can see that there are Omens in the sewers. So, Morgott couldn't have forced them to come to battle. More like he offered them a chance to prove their loyalty to the Erdtree in a way that would have been deemed acceptable by the citizens of Leyndell and also without raising suspicions about his identity. At least, this is my theory. Maybe it is wrong, but it could also be right. The Romans used to do the same thing with the people/races they conquered.
i always assumed, like mohg, he used them as protectors to the discovery of the three fingers
its actually the only case in the game that implies a relationship between mohg and morgott, since morgotts seal was there as well to guard people from discovering it
@@skelemania356 either that or it made a projection of the real mogh to use for his purposes. I don't exclude that Mogh consented to that, the lord of the frenzy flame is a threat to both.
@@skelemania356 i think morgott sent mohg to guard the frenzy flame but mohg ran away and set a clone here so morgott thinks he is still in the sewers
@@creeperYT9824I see where are you coming from, but I think that’s not likely. Sewer Mohg dresses in his Lord of Blood vestments, if it’s an illusion left by him to fool Morgott into thinking he’s still there, won’t him make it look more sewer-appropriate (with her lack of better words)? And if Morgott knew he’s the lord of blood and his connection with the Formless Mother, what would make him think he could hold Mohg there? Also, sewer Mohg wasn’t always there, he only appears when we enter, with a cloud of blood on top of that. Together with him disappearing in sparks of gold upon defeat, I propose that sewer Mohg is a joint effort between the omen twin, a combination of both of their powers--Mohg’s power and Morgott’s gift with illusions. They may have their differences, but could both agree that the Frenzied Flame was the bigger threat.
Morgott reminds me so much of Gwendolyn. Kept secret by their parents. Rules from the shadows once their parent is gone. Has some sort of curse. Masters of illusion. Runs a covenant of assassins who work at night.
The only difference is one is much hotter than the other. I'll let you figure out which one I mean.
that morgussy got me acting unwise
well morgot blood attack could spit flame so yeah thats hotter one
@@nyosantemtant1684 tentacles and blue electric buff tho
Who says both can’t be hot?
I don’t know who Gwendolyn is but I know they are a 1/10 compared to Morgott
Morgott, such a bad ass. The fans not giving him the love he deserves as hes not wearing a crazy outfit like the other kids.
Yeah no... look at rule 34
Also, he is one of the hardest bosses if you fight him with low health.. very nasty combos and attack patterns, and he's fast as fucc.
@@plank9456 Yeah, people sleep on him because they go to him at like level 80 and then complain about how his difficulty doesn't match his lore
@@yourveryownlocalmoron6874hes supposed to be hard? I did him pre eighty😂😂😂
@@dunistaygeekin do it at level 50 or so, he's still not as hard as some other bosses but the moveset is the best in the series and definently worth doing an rl1 kill of him. also I always have squishy lightroll builds, experiences may very if your playstyle is more balanced
Do you ever think when he died that the erdtree, the golden order & greater will itself only accepted him as its current champion because the tree & greater will was stuck in the boat of Beggars can't be choosers therefore gave Grace and attention to Morgott even though I truly believe it was using him to its own ends
Yeah, most definitely. The greater will is an asshole and if it had gotten someone else, Morgott would have been dropped quicker than a red hot pan out of the oven.
@@Cman04092who are the oven mitts in this situation?
@@JohnDoe-vc5qb well, in my story there are no oven mits, hence why the pan is dropped, sorry for making that unclear, lol.
@@JohnDoe-vc5qb the two fingers
@@Cman04092 Sure, whatever you say. Keep on living in your own world
Spot on analysis as always. One thing I speculate about Morgott’s character is that in addition to viewing his siblings as traitors for taking the Great Runes and warring for supremacy instead of coming together, he also views himself as the rightful heir to the throne and the others owe allegiance to him because he is of the Golden lineage.
Given that the backstories of the Demigods were written by George R.R. Martin, Morgott has often been compared to Stannis Baratheon from G.O.T. I also noticed the parallels and think it creates extra context to his disdain for his siblings.
With that in mind, Morgott obviously stands for the status quo of the Golden Order and is adamantly against anything that would supplant/reorganize/revolutionize it. Though I do wonder what sort of new order Demigods envisioned should they have won. For some of them we don’t have to speculate, like Ranni (whose quest/ending just shows us) same thing with Mohg, Miquella and Malenia, all of them wanted to outright change things with their new orders. And presumably Rykard’s wasn’t all that different from the Flame of Frenzy, except he gets to DEVOUR THE GODS.
However, we don’t really know what Godrick and Radahn had planned. I generally think they were pro-Golden Order but maybe it just wasn’t enough for Morgott. Though it seems that it wasn’t well known that the entrance to the Erdtree was blocked, only Morgott seemed to know and accepted this as a rejection and in turn took it upon himself to reject all other candidates. Given that the only option was to burn the Erdtree, Morgott was never going to let that happen, but the others would’ve had to if they ever got passed him. I theorize that, Rykard probably figured it out and was A-okay with it (blasphemy and all that) and why he studied magma sorcery, it adds context to why Morgott hates him especially. If I were to guess Radahn likely learned the truth from Rykard and accepted the Erdtree as a necessary sacrifice for his conquest.
To anyone who read all this, I hope you found it interesting.
I dont know if Morgott sees himself as the true heir. Since he becomes anrgy but also shocked and sad in the second phase change where "the thrones (are) strained by my curse".
That sounds like he doesnt see himself fit for the throne, because of his curse. Him calling himself king, well, he calls himself the last king. Maybe cause he is the last one willing to stand up, he and his curse, cause nobody else will. Thats why he cally them "traitors all", since he, the shunned son, does out of necessity what the others dont wanna do.
@@backpug1228 Very good point. He doesn’t have a high opinion of himself because of his Omen Curse, and he sees himself as a failure that couldn’t become Elden Lord (granted Radagon was blocking the entrance).
Morgott is one of my favorite character's in the game. Love him.
Morgott is my favorite character in the whole of Elden Rings lore. Excellent development and layering
It's worth noting that when you take Morgott's Great Rune, he shrivels; It's my assertion that his Great Rune was keeping him functional, as it grants vitality and he recanted his own blood. He was willing to become dependant on a Great Rune simply to live rather than suffer his cursed blood.
That’s a good point! I’ve never thought about that. He probably only was able to recant his omen blood after receiving his Great Rune, and that could also be why he’s smaller than Mohg. And I don’t subscribe to the idea that his human appearance at the end was any sort of blessing or acceptance from the Erdtree or Greater Will. That’s probably just a side effect of losing all the omen blood he coughed up in second phase.
I was thinking it was the other way around. It was the rune that was making him omen. He had blood from a human and blood from a numen. And when we take the rune, we take his curse from him.
@@lashed1980 He was Omen before he claimed the Great Rune, and Omen can be born to humans.
Another wonderful video! Many have told Morgott's story, but, you, brought it to a whole other level, not easily done!
the legend is back with another gem.
you and smoughtown did a great job with this great character
I appreciate you're just flipping the front-of-castle clip; it's rough seeing the exact same one over and over. Thank you!
I don't think he was rejected by the Greater Will, but by the Erdtree - the Greater Will doesn't seem to care much for any order in particular, and we know it takes a long time for its will to reach us (based on Enya's dialogue you get after beating Morgott and being blocked by the thorns) Also, how do we know it was Margit who put Alecto in the evergaol? I mean, it seems a bit strange to put her in a gaol near the Moonlight Altar, to which access is highly restricted, the place being unlikely to be accessible to ones outside of the Carian Royal Family - I think that Alecto escaped, but was put in the gaol by Ranni so as to prevent the knowledge of Ranni's involvement in the Night of Black Knives.
I was so excited when I woke up and saw this notification. What a fantastic video. Crazy. Poor Morgott. I knew his story was sad by his last words and his ost. But this. Wow.
Having finished the video, I'd like to add the flavor text of Morgott's Great Rune for posterity. "This Great Rune is the anchor ring that houses the base, and proves two things: That the Omen King was born of the golden lineage, and that he was indeed the Lord of Leyndell."
While a great video as usual, after hearing 'Heal' from Ico I must take a moment to express my gratitude for the impeccable music choice throughout all of your work, as well as the clarity in which you share it in the description (unlike so many others). Thank you for the many additions to my music library that you are nigh wholly responsible for :)
Well that made me cry.
Another amazing video! I'm so glad you have more planned.
At 1:42 What I think is that the Twins were born first, as Morgott’s great rune reads that it is the anchor for all the other great runes. It just makes sense to me that they were first for that reason.
And it also could be why Marika was so broken by Godwyn’s death, and not Morgott’s. The twins were sent away when they were very young (just old enough to have formed bonds with their parents and learning to talk but still young). They were sent away, and for who knows how long the family had been separated. Marika could’ve become dejected or gradually lost feelings for her children in their absence. However, when the next child was born, she got to keep Godwyn, she had the chance to be with her youngest son, and he was able to live all the way into adulthood as family and loved by many.
Because Morgott and Mohg were taken from her by the order, she could have become even more so attached to Godwyn. Marika most likely feared loosing him too. Yet despite this fear, she ended up losing the only child she had the chance to actually love and raise.
(Morgott’s definitely my favorite character in all of Elden Ring’s Story, and his story is one of my favorites as well.)
Hawkshaw and vaati in one day?
It truly must be... an.... OMEN OF DLC TO COME!
Never stop ssrching for me you are one if not the beat lore channel out there your deep dives still have me thinking about ds1 and beyond can't wait for more glad to see the team making lore videos agen
Just want to put some appreciation for how the clip at 30:15 was made. They sat at a grace, _repositioned the camera to avoid the vignette from changing time,_ then did a slow motion shot of the times instantly changing. That’s why the environmental aspects like the trees, weather, and trebuchets all go very slowly in a frame by frame rather than rapidly
A slow motion shot made to look like a sped-up time lapse, it’s pretty neat to think about. You can also instantly obtain the footage instead of letting your computer sit for two and a half hours with screen recording on lol
Since you brought it up--who's to say the omen twins weren't the first children of Godfrey and Marika? If they were born before the age of the Erdtree (the age of Gold) then they would have obviously been born during the age of the Great Tree, where all colors mix. To remedy this it would only make sense after their birth that SHE cast her children to the depths (as Godfrey would have been presumably comfortable having children of the crucible). She would then make Godrfrey put her would-be enemies to the sword in order to make her age of Gold. An age where she could have a perfect child. Afterward, when Godwyn sided with Dragons, it could then assumed that it was Godfrey's blood that allowed a spiritual "mixing of colors" to happen within Godwyn. Seeing this she called back Radogan, assuming that the only way to have the perfect heir (one alloyed/allied with no other) was to have a child with herself.
18:22 i see your man of culture Gothic has so good OST
I am struggling not to start yet another new Elden Ring character... this video doesn't help in my struggle... but I embrace it!
I’m struggling to start a character, it’s too hard and unfun for me
@@legitplayin6977 As long as nobody forces you to make one, I don't see any issue. If you don't enjoy the game then just don't play it. I actually prefer the atmoshpere of Dark Souls 1 & 3 over Elden Ring.
Put these foolish ambitions to rest.
@@legitplayin6977 All of us started somewhere with the From Soft Saga, I started with vanilla Dark Souls II and it was ridiculously difficult for me but I kept with it at my own pace and eventually completed the game in 65 hours. It was the most satisfying perseverance game I had played since childhood.
@@OneStarRating I played Dark Souls, Dark souls II, Sekiro and Elden ring. The only one that I actually finished was sekiro. I just find the others way too difficult for me.
Amazing work as usual, always a treat when we get another of your videos
Thank you so much for the subtitles for your wonderful videos!
Margot is one of the most important characters in ER. Fantastic video, well done sir!
I cant believe you used the Driftveil Drawbridge theme from pokemon in an Elden Ring video, i love it so much
There really ain't nothing like a new Hawkshaw video!
OMG as soon as I finish this game I watching this. Hawkshaw, we're a big fan here. Preemptively I thank you.
Your idea that Morgott was released by Marika to lead the nights calvary is awesome 👌. I just assumed he had been freed after the shattering, but your theory makes way more sense and adds much more to his character. Thank you; your videos have been rockin lately keep it up👍.
I was just coming here to say this as well, it makes a lot of sense and fills in a lot of his missing time between birth and the current state of things. Plus really hammers in the self-loathing but dutiful aspect of his personality that he could have left before or after the Shattering -- but stayed.
The age of mythology soundtrack caught me off guard there, good pick
Stop everything, new Hawkshaw lore video just dropped.
Can I comment while watching?
Honey wake up! New Hawkshaw!
What, still here?
Give me that thing… your New Hawkshaw video
18:30 oh wow, you used the music of the Old Camp from Gothic 1 to match this. The old camp is the embodyment of an established structure that surpresses everyone who might challenge their power. They even throw out the Hero as soon as their main source of influence - the mine - collapses and makes apparent that they can no longer allow a powerful guy to be part of their scheme.
Well placed!
Truely spoken
Morgott deserved better he was resented betrayed ad alone most of his life, but pledged his loyalty to something that never truly accepts him
mario and luigi partners in time music? god this channel is the best
Morgott is the one true Elden Lord
Morgott is definitely the most interesting Demigod beside Miquella.
And we just got the video on miquella today, too!
It's so weird... Marika and radagon are central to the story, yet somehow it makes sense for them to be so vague and nondescript, more like forces than people.
But... the more I learn about the game, whether you consider the cut content of the dream brew and kalé's quest or not, it seems more and more like miquella is the main character in such a way that his vagueness NEEDS resolved in a way that marika's doesnt.
And i hope I don't just feel that way subjectively, and that objectively there really is something missing from the game that will be covered in DLC.
Personally, even though I'd love to see a new world, a dlc fleshing out the merchant's quest/letters and kale's quest to the 3fingers, and a dlc bringing back dream mist/dream brews/st trina and finishing miquellas story would be enough for me.
And what would REALLY blow my mind is if the Malenia fight changes, such that you battle her if you dont have the Unalloyed needle, or if you DO have the unalloyed needle AND the frenzied flame, like you're fighting for the needle.
But if you have the needle and not the frenzied flame, she could become an npc and a key piece of lore
@@michaelwerkov3438 inb4 DLC is 15 hours of Rennala lore.
My absolute favorite character in elden ring his hatred towards tarnished and almost everything else is badass he truly has the best lines in the entire game
Love the video and your channel, been watching since the start and so happy to see you back making videos! Also, just wanted to say that "Mohg" is pronounced like "Moag" not "Mogg".
Morgott was spurned and hated by everything and everyone but he died in the arms of the one person who loved him, low key a small happy ending.
One day we'll return together,
to our home, bathed in rays of gold.
There is only one tree,
and only it's branches,
that bathe in true rays of gold.
Not the fool Omen king,
nor the rank malformed twins.
Oh we are the golden ones,
the true and rightful heirs.
Our land's grown old now.
Ashen and cold.
But look up!
The Erdtree glows!
One day we'll return together,
to our home, bathed in rays of gold.
And Grace will surely guide us safe,
to our home, bathed in rays of gold.
Leyndell Catacombs have two separate and similar underground crypts. This detail is not shared by any other catacomb in game.
Something has broken down a wall that separates catacomb complex from the sewer Shunning Grounds. And many imps have fled out from the aperture, stalking now the sewers. Mohg's shackle is found near the breach.
Furthermore, Esgar, priest of blood, resides in the other crypt-chamber of Leyndell Catacombs.
It would seem likely that Leyndell Catacombs held both Mohg and Morgott in these twin chambers, separate, but in same complex at least. After Elden Ring was broken, shackles diminished in power, and twins were able to wrestle free.
It would seem that Omens escaped by breaking down the walls to enter the sewers, and Morgott climbed outside, while Mohg remained underground. Mohg discarded his shackle soon thereafter in the sewers.
Omen Twins are far too precious for Golden Order to live in filth like rest of the omen-kind, so that powers to be built entire hidden catacomb complex dedicated to them makes sense.
Later, Esgar, Priest of Blood, would view Mohg's containment chamber as a holy site, or martyr's tomb, which it is.
Fantastic video essay, once again.
Babe wake up, a new Hawkshaw vid just dropped
God your channel is so underrated
The delivery of him and his brother... That surely wasn't a happy family moment. And Marika surely felt the delivery I bet.
Well Morgott didn’t actually believe he died with honor. When defeated he has some short dialogue and mentions that no one may claim title of Elden Lord , and only end up in failure just as he himself did. And he did not live a life of honor, because he was known as the “veiled monarch” of Lyndell as Sir Gideon says in Roundtable. The royal capital never knew that its king was an Omen. He knew he was spurned by the Erdtree yet he loved it still, as his remembrance states.
With no disrespect to Hawkshaw but Morgott could never have served Marika by her side at all. When the shattering happened (thanks to Marika falling to the brink for the murder of her golden child Godwyn the Golden which led her to shatter the ring, or herself essentially) the shards of the ring were scattered to the demigods, all Marika’s offspring as the opening cinematic states. Most of them went mad with the power acquired from the great runes of the shards creating a war that would leave its mark millennia after the event, the Great War known as the Shattering. So unfortunately Morgott never met his parents again. Queen Marika would not let her new epoch of the Erdtree and her Golden Order be sullied by her two cursed Omen children ever. She was a ruthless goddess after all. Anything that fell outside of her Golden Order was to be cut off, even her two Omen children. Godfrey in a distant land now and Marika herself shattered and imprisoned in the Erdtree. But going back to the subject of Morgott, during the shattering’s calamity is when Morgott (and Mohg) must have escaped the shunning grounds. And we see Morgott even fighting in the war during a small scene in the opening cinematic. I’m sure it was a fight to take his rightful place as king of Lyndell since his father had yet to return. And as you mentioned Hawkshaw, to send after those that murdered Godwyn.
But alas I may be wrong too with all that I’m saying. If anyone has any comments to argue otherwise with what I’ve said I would love to hear it. It’d be a learning experience for me. I’m basing my statements following the timeline given in the game beginning with the narrative explaining the shattering; caused by Marika and what proceeded onward for Morgott.
I was afraid this would be a retread of Smoughtown's video on Morgott (Not your intent I know)
And was, in typical Hawkshaw video fashion, promptly hit with the verbal hook of "Morgott doesn't care about his Omen Bretheren" And knew it would show the Other, subtler side of Morgott.
Always a quality video from a quality channel.
Morgott is a pitiable man, but he was every bit as destructive to the land of any of his siblings. In some ways, he did even more damage by preventing anyone else from taking the throne, leaving to thousands of years of chaos and decay while keeping the same cruel policies the Golden Order demanded all the time.
Yeah but Leyndell also kept primarily on the defense from what we can tell, the only time we see them on the offensive is against Mt Gelmir.
29:07 they changed the scene right at that time. I remember last year when I went to that spot it was a omen sitting there with a bunch of omen kids and not the slaves and you could actually attack them. But it was kind of cute just little omen kids and there mother . I thought it was a good seen. I understand why they took it out
For real? I’ve never seen omen kids in the game. Where’s this location? I wonder if 1.1 version would still have the one you described.
i love your content, hawkshaw. i hope you arent finished releasing dark souls lore! best, m8.
Please make more amazing videos like this. They put most other content to shame. You and the Tarnished archaeologist are fantastic. Its sad to see Vaati become far less of content maker with his sub-par videos in elden ring that anyone can make better. His Dark souls videos were legendary and sadly make his elden ring videos seem like they're just dry, and like he's not at all in love with it as he once was. I hope to see a return with great content such as yours. Thank you Hawkshaw
If Morgotts Night Calvary captured the leader, why would she be sealed at the moonlight altar?
I had believed Ranni imprisoned her, because (I believed) the Black Knives stole a piece of the death rune from Ranni after Ranni stole some.
Do we know how Ranni did that, BTW? My memories been rusty lately.
but it was Alecto who is sealed in the evergaol though, not tiche. tiche died and is a spirit ash accordingly.
Also I'm pretty sure ranni was the true catalyst of the night of black knives
@@094176 I edited my comment, for getting the names wrong.
To my knowledge, they never state Ranni factually is involved with intent to kill Godwyn.
If she hadn't stolen a fragment, then the Black Knives wouldn't have it to use of Godwyn. That's why I was asking for proof that she was involved. I believed the Black Knives stole it, not given it.
Why would the leader be in the evergaol if not?
From BLASPHEMOUS CLAW: On the night of the dire plot, Ranni rewarded Praetor Rykard with these traces. Should the coming trespass one day transpire, they would serve as a last-resort foil, allowing Rykard to challenge Maliketh the Black Blade, the black beast of Destined Death. This surely hints that Ranni and Rykard were involved in the stole of the rune of Death. Ranni and Rykard surely were the most blasphemous of the Shard Bearers and I think it is because they knew about Radagon's identity who used their whole family and Kingdom as tools to control the whole of the Lands Between, How ranni could sneak into Maliketh domain could be part of her Great Rune power wich we never could find, and that maybe could be part of the DLC plot, we are missing Radagon's and Ranni's runes.
Completely agree Tim. Morgott would not have had access to the Moonlight alter. Electo being imprisoned up there was most likely Ranni’s doing, based on location at least. Most likely because Ranni only meant to kill her Empyrean flesh, not murder Godwyn. That was a plan enacted by a separate force who knew what Ranni was up to, the Black Knife assassins of the eternal city (and possibly their informant, Queen Marika herself), who sought to destabilize the realm. Ranni was just a convenient scapegoat.
The Gothic OST playing at 18:22 really got me... and kinda fit's Elden Ring's vibes more than i imagined
I sometimes her OST from Age of Empire One, Age of Mythology, even Hades. You are a man of good tastes my good Sir.
26:29 I don't think the erdtree rejects Morgott. He just simply can't pass the thorns created by Radagon, and never did the 1+1 math of connecting both. It is even obvious to the fingers that one can't enter the erdtree without burning the thorns, but Morgott somehow believed he was rejected, in the same way Gideon believed no Tarnished can ever become Elden Lord - but that sentiment might merely be the influence of Radagon, trying to preserve the current order. Also, Morgott doesen't even own enaugh great runes to mend the Elden Ring, and stopped making an efforts to get his hands on them. Anyway, great piece of work!
Great video. Missed opportunity to add at 24:02 "deluded, or desperate enough, to start an entirely new Order" and show the failed Haligtree for "desperate." All in good fun, of course - but it would've been poignant imo since Miquella tried such a promising but ultimately futile thing, all to save his sister and (perhaps) separate his people from enthrallment of the original Erdtree, of all Outer Gods: the Order of Unalloyed Gold
24:21 Wait wait. Marika orchestrated the night of the black knives no ? That much i think was more or less cofnirmed. Or if nothing else, she at least allowed it.
Yey new video. I love you work.
Me : Plundering runes like a bandit
Mogh : welcomes you
Morgott : relatively Normal response
Based Mohg embracing his Omen heritage 💪🗿
I like to think that Morgott wasn't just loyal to Erdtree . He knew that if there was Elden Lord again, he could be sent to sewers or gallows.
Nah
I've played this game 3 times and I've only fought him twice
Your videos are amazing. You are by far my favorite Elden Ring Lore content creator.
I like to think that him dieing in human form is the golden order finally accepting him... only in death did it it give him anything. And then.. to target us with Horah Loux
in another life Mohg & Morgott could have embraced their omen nature and rebeled against the golden order
re-establishing the crucible that ruled before the age of the erdtree, with their fellow omen becoming reviered as they once were
making papa proud, (and mom not so much)
It hits hard that when Godfrey is holding Morggot Serosh roars signifying Godfrey sadness
wake up babe, new hawkshaw vid just dropped.
Marika is much closer to Odin than any other Norse deity. Odin was also a trickster, but sacrificed everything for knowledge. She's also very similar to Lilith in Evangelion, but that's another story.
What's your source on Morgott being released and doing all the things he did before and not after the Shattering/Godwyn's death?
Morgott deserved better.
He was an exceptional individual, especially considering the circumstances of his Omen nature.
He was dedicated and self-sacrificing, and any actual flaws in his character can be squarely be blamed on Marika and the Greater Will's negligence.
Even if he cannot be allowed to enter the Erdtree and risk affecting the Elden Ring itself, Marika and the Greater Will should have honoured him with true kingship and entrusted him to find a suitable replacement Lord.
It is clear that his devotion is such that would not betray the Order she represented and would only seek one that could fix the flaw that allowed for, among other things, people being born into the torturous existance of an Omen.
If he was given that task, I believe he would have eventually decided on Goldmask; the one who has figured out the faults and conceived of a solution, not for a new Order, but a perfected version of the current one.
Well someone on your team clearly played Hades haha! Thanks for the great video
I don’t think it’s a matter of “being accepted in Leyndell) but a matter of no one knows if anyone is sitting on the throne of the Elden King. Those few who ventured to see never came back because the shade of Godfrey and Black Knife got them before they could make it to him.
SotC is always a great OST choice.
I wonder if there are any clues how those Body Projections work.
Morgott projects himself as Margit all over the map.
Mohg projects himself into the Shunning Grounds.
Gowry projects himself onto a Kindred of Rot.
Sellen projects herself all over the place.
Even Ranni projects herself next to our first Merchand dude and his dog.
Golden Shade Godfrey is a projection.
The Finger Maidens are projections.
Bell Bearing Hunter projects himself right into our faces, while his real body is admiring a painting of Malenia.
Malekith projects himself as Gurranq from fricking Farum Azula into Caelid.
And we all know the projections are not just ghosts, no they're all THERE. We all know how real Margit caved in our head the couple of first tries.
But are there hints how it works in-universe? A spell? A school of magic?
This is one of the best lore vis I've seen. Would be great to see biographies for the other demi gods in the same style.
Always a jolly time in the sun with Hawkshaw! Praise the lore!
"He had never felt love, nor did he know love; but loved the Erdtree, he did."
Godfrey was more a beast than a lord. Morgott was more a lord than a beast
31:18 he makes a valud point. As players, we just hop into worlds with zero understanding of how they work or their history and think we're doing what we need to in order to win. I may be reading into it too much, but it's almost like a fourth wall break.
There is something admirable about Morgott.
Man this video was beautiful 😭 you've just convinced me that Morgott was the best demi god. I wish there was some kind of a mount and blade or total war for Elden ring so I can fight for Morgott. I hope you make more for the rest of the demi gods
Speaking of illusions, it is quite apparent the Erdtree was burned by the black flame apostasy and the Golden one that stands in its place, like Goldfrey, is a Golden shade created by the Greater Will. That’s why only a small portion of the Erdtree is actually wood. Obviously these shades are physical, as Godfrey, First Elden Lord can physically interact with the world, and the Golden Shade of the Erdtree still burns and creates ashes.
Great video, but the Greater Will abandoned the world in the wake of the Shattering. All of the grace we interact with in game is from Marika, her only goal is to slay the Elden Beast, so Morgott helps in that trial.
No, the fingers returned the grace who are envoys of the Greater Will. Marika is completely dormant in the rdtree
Hmmm, aren't animal parts considered divine prior to the age of the erdtree? As per one of the horn items descriptions in game. And it was a viewpoint that slowly became more and more taboo as the age of the erdtree became more and more gentrified.
I think that should be proof enough that he was born long into the age of the erdtree. After things like the Colosseums were closed, and the crucible knights lost their status. Had Morgott and Mohg been born early into their marriage, the two would likely have been paraded as a blessing and champions, proof that they had divine favour.
My favorite character in any souls game. Godspeed morgott.
This story world and lore of Elden Ring has no right to be as good as it is i mean it is absolutely immaculate ❤ Bravo
"Morgott, The Golden" has an appropriate ring to it, I feel