@@carbonrrpilot imaginary or not 600s arent very fast. Some people just arent content with smaller bikes. But yall dont talk about that when that happens
I am from Asia and due to the narrower, much crowded and very little maintained roads I believe a 150cc bike but with a decent acceleration like Yamaha R15 is ideal for starters. Mainly because you learn to use and maneuver the power at your disposal responsibly due to the forced constrictions and dangers of the road but after a year or two or extensive riding you can gradually progress with a very stable learning curve as you move towards higher displacement engines.
Asians are also much smaller + lighter and like you said your roads aren't as good. Here in America We have bad roads in certain areas though you've got like half a continent of area but we have smooth wide highways and much wider lanes than most countries.
@@WalrusWinking There are huge Express Ways in India now, so a Litre class is perfect for Beginners and intermediates. Indians are growing taller and bigger now, 5.9 to 6.2 from GenZ are a lot common, so the Ride Height aint an issue. Indians shrank a lot in the past 300 years, but recovery is lookin good
I’m glad I started on a ZX6R, the 600’s are fine starting out imo because as long as you keep it low to mid rpm’s you won’t get any crazy power and you can slowly start accelerating faster till you’re accustomed to it. My worry with people starting out on slower bikes is they will get too comfortable on them and when they get a 600 or 1k they will be overconfident. To each their own, do what you know you can handle
I’d tend to agree with you on that. I started on a Yammy R3 and a Honda CBR250. After moving over to a Kawasaki Z650 it took a while for me to relearn my throttle and clutch inputs because I was too used to being able to ham fist the smaller displacement bikes I’d ridden previously and had to undo that muscle memory. If I’d started out on the Z650 I would have already committed the finer throttle and clutch control required for a bigger displacement bike to muscle memory and probably be in good stead to ride a litre bike if I wanted to. If anything I think a four cylinder 600 would probably be easier to learn on than the two cylinder 650 class bikes as the 650s are very torquey down low and thus the low speed throttle control would be more difficult.
Really really good video, I’m happy to see someone do a video about this topic because I hear people talk about this all the time, especially friends who are new riders and I’m glad to see someone explain this. I’ll definitely send people this link to this video if I hear them ask questions about this topic!
Not necessarily true - V-twins have obnoxious amounts of low-end power and pull like a train without revving to obnoxiously high RPMs. On some of the bigger Harleys you could probably dump clutch at idle and it'll start going. Hell an Iron 883 hits peak torque of 51 ft/lbs at 3.5k RPM while an F800GS (torquey ADV parallel twin) makes 54 ft/lbs at 5.8k RPM and a Ducati 848 (V-twin sport bike) hits peak torque of 62 ft/lbs at 9.5k RPM. Even an inline four cylinder GSXR R750 won't hit 50bhp till 6k RPM (though it tops out at 126ft/lbs @14k thanks to having twice as many cylinders).
Power is power, torque is torque. An engine can be tuned to either have a good pull on the lows or a higher top speed on the high revs. Torque for better acceleration, power for higher top speed. Bigger displacement, longer piston stroke, less cylinders, cylinders arranged closer to the boxer configuration, all of this is more geared towards better torque at lower revolutions.
sexiewasd I had an 86 Interceptor 750... I loved that bike, never should have sold it... I’ve been thinking of grabbing up one of the unsold, still new and fresh out of the crate 2014 VFR800s that are for sale...
@@corombb dude I have both harley and a gsxr750 and i have 750 horses on mine and its fast!! I also have a harley 48 and i was chasing a Yamaha R1 up on bear mountain only the pegs let me down!! Lol
I have a Ninja 650 and I agree. It's a great beginner bike that looks awesome, and it's possible to have a bit of fun on it without being taken by surprise by the power.
My start wasn't ideal. I purchased a 636 as my starter. I know this is gonna trigger possible insults but my father told me that if you start out with a low power bike, you are shortly going to thirst for more power, get bored and want to sell the bike before riding season is over. Now bikes, displacement and power were different decades ago and he was more into Harley's. I high sided on my bike. I wasn't going very fast at all, the bike definitely has that top end even on low power mode. I was cut off by a car in a residential part (I wasn't going to main streets yet), I grabbed for too much front brake, didn't pull in the click and grazed the the throttle and the result was an endo with me eating sh!t. In hindsight, it's not the bike, it was me and I learned from that mistake. I always intended on MSF courses, they were't available just yet and I was taking it easy with a permit in residential areas only. I'm getting back on the saddle, pursuing the MSF licensing course and will learn my bike, taking the learning curve into perspective as the bike isn't going anyway. I reiterate, it's not the bike it's experience/skill lvl. Ride within your limits. If you don't feel confident, park the bike and think it over, watch videos, take classes and focus on what will make you a better rider.
I guess it might be situational. First bike is a Vulcan 900 Custom. Don't get me wrong, it's a great bike... I bought it to be SUPER SAFE.... well... just a few months in and I am already wishing I had started on something bigger. Problem is.. i'm 6'2'' and 290 lbs. I had extremely limited options in the sub $8000 arena. Now I feel stuck, paying for a Bike that I DO love... but just like a bad relationship... I look at her and just wish she was someone else.
Battlescar Gigantica ROTFLMAO..... Dude, it isn’t the bike, or the engine size, it is the fact that YOU haven’t figured it out yet. We have all heard the saying, “no matter how hot the chick is, there is some guy somewhere that is tired of riding her.” The fact is, motorcycles are the same.... go hang out downtown where all the sport bike riders hang out on their bikes and don’t even go inside, occasionally leaving in small groups to go ride the circuit and then right back to the parking lot (most areas have one of these). Take a look at the guys on the expensive/fast bikes..... most of them are talking about their NEXT bike.... because their bikes are sexy as hell, but those dudes are already tired of riding them, just like the hot chicks whose boyfriends are checking out the tits on some other chick. You are in NEARLY the same boat, but the difference is that you are too broke to “divorce” the nag you have... There are guys out there that would give their left nut for the nag you have... enjoy the fact that you have a ride and get to mount her every day... and don’t let her know that you are fantasizing about some other mount when you climb on top of her.... Lol, thanks for the laugh...
Good video. This “cylinders-hard-to-understand” problem is also the reason, why people usually struggle to understand, why they cant get such a sweet sound from their Ninja 650 even with a new exhaust, while the 636 sounds like a God.
I have both a CBR500R and 675R. People say they started on a 600 inline 4 and did fine, but I can tell you from experience that the lower displacement has insane handling at low speeds and I believe helps to make you a better rider even in the long run. You don’t really appreciate the power and speed of a faster bike or notice the huge agility difference of a smaller bike until you’ve practiced on both. I don’t even know how people ride liter bikes sometimes. I’ve taken the 675R to 154 mph and pushed it to my very limits on corners where I’m exiting so fast the front wheel is coming off the ground and you can feel the chassis bending then hit air cuz of a tiny bump in the road.
long story short life wouldnt let me afford a bike for 15 years after I wrecked my old 750 vulcan in 2000. I got a ninja 300 a few years ago as an ease back into riding bike. my plan was to replace it in a couple years but she is so fiesty and fun I am just keeping her. she's light flicky and very forgiving. she tops out between 108 to 125 depending on weather wind and the seemingly random quality of gas that gets put into her tank. at the same time she can be at max speed by the time I get out of the parking lot and I have straight up smoked a lot of the bigger cruisers off the line. 600s and up leave me pretty quick though. its all good though love my lil 300 she is awesome.
I kinda regret not buying a gsx650f, I have the bandit 650, cause i thought a naked looked cool. funny thing about commuting, wind protection is quite nice xD hope you are enjoying it
I just bought a Harley Sportster 1200 cc. I did know that they don't have much power (and also mine is limited to 35 kW/47 hp due to European bike license reasons) but man, that torque. I clocked 0-100 km/h in 4.5 s and with the margin of error I dare to say that in reality it's under 5 s. The horsepower doesn't tell everything.
I appreciate this video. It finally makes sense now. I was wondering why the Ninja 650 was selling cheaper than all the other 600cc bikes. Makes sense now. 🙌🏾
Nice video. I find that torque and clutch “weight” also makes a huge difference. I ride an 1100 Ducati and it’s got so much damn torque it’s unpredictable. Also some bikes (especially older) have very heavy dry clutches which can be a nightmare for new riders.
I agree with this. I own a Honda St1300. Today I test rode an Fz1. This Fz1 has the smaller displacement but was a lot faster than my ST1300. Great vid brother.
No idea why you would ever need anything faster than the cop bike, the ST1300, unless you are breaking the law. FABULOUS engine imo but it is a bit heavy.
Dankovich i have a 650 aswell, si gle cylinder. Adv bike, has great pull 2nd and up. Looking at an fz07 next I dont really care for going fast 100+. Fz 07 has decent pull you can actually feel while the bike gets louder and louder. Thats what I love about my klr650, but i just want more torque, she screams going 15mph in 1st. At this point i am just so used to upright seating position that there is no going back. I was a bit confused years ago about this same topic but through reserach i figured it out. Has a co worker ask me the same thing talked in this vid, a total newb btw. Heck, i am still learning about the diffrent types of bikes. There is no better feeling tearing your bike apart to fix whatever is wrong with it and properly fixing it. Makes you more of an asset to others aswell I am into that sorta thing.
My first bike is a ninja 636. Im glad i didnt listen to other people telling me it wasn't a beginner bike as i almost bought a 250. Im glad with the decision i made and the bike is perfect for me.
I started on a '14 636 and in all honesty, it was extremely difficult to learn on especially when I consider the fact that I earned my license on a 31hp 300cc bike. It took me many months to get used to the top end pull and at the end of the day, if that bike didn't have lower power mode, I might not be here right now. I agree wholeheartedly with HR2 and if I were to do this again, I'm not even sure I'd start on a 650, I'd probably consider a 390 duke as I wouldn't have had to fight the feeling of utter fear while getting acclimated to riding which I often did on the six tre..
i started on a 2008 cbr 600rr at the age of 16 now I'm 19 and ride a turbo 2016 zx10r learning was easy, the most difficult part was getting adjusted to my insanity lol
In all honesty, my issue is I owned a few fast Honda's so the high strung nature of sportbikes seduced me into continually pushing the right wrist envelope. I shouldn't say it was difficult to ride bcuz it wasn't, the difficult part was controlling myself from not ringing out a 10 second vehicle every time I got on it. Since then I've participated in a few track riding courses and have owned a 750 and H2 so believe me.. I'm str8er than 6 o'clock bcuz the 6tre forced my to sharpen my skillset reaaalllll quick but its truly a double edged sword. Once again, if I had to do it over, I'd have started on a smaller bike but that's me..
I looked at the CC`S when I first started riding because I was a novice and as a learner I wanted the biggest CC I could LEGALLY RIDE LOL, I bought my bikes on physical size and type(race/offroad) only when I had been riding for a year or so, BUT! It was not until riding after a few years I discovered different engine designs and type. This discovery made me search for the best engine too power delivery and that my friend WAS THEE TRUE EYEOPENER!!:) The 2 stroker is light and powerful BUT the INLINE 4 is powerful and revvy,the V2, twin is torquey, the V4 is the best of both inline and v twin, FFS please choose wisely lol :) I now ride a HONDA VTR1000F FIRESTORM/HAWK and I love it:)
650 slow? I do consider anything that goes over 135 mph on public roadways super dangerous for a beginner. I have the 650 abs blue racing edition build and i got dyno to 170mph. If you are a beginner I'll recommend the lower cc's like a 300 until you gain enough skills and confidence to move on to a bigger bike.
man I'm telling you, if you don't know how to ride bikes those 300cc with 45bhp are waaaaay too fast as well lol. Sure, you can learn pretty fast with them, but they still do +110mph
@@HormigaZ true that's why I don't get this guy saying that a 650 is slow. Any bike that goes over 100 mph is super dangerous for someone without any skills.
The right of passage to the litre bikes is fast disappearing 😕. Okay the period of 2 strokes is over but there was something nostalgic about starting your journey on a small 2 stroke and working your way up. I'm 44 and my own personal climb to an R1 started on a RG80 followed by an RS125 and then a TZR125RR. Next came 2 x CBR400's an R6 and now an R1. I don't know maybe I'm showing my age but I'm kinda proud of my right of passage to the big bikes.
AJ Mariano I know what you mean bro. Who cares if your r6 has 2 in wide chicken strip. Ninja 300 is gutless and beginner bike that deserve less than a week of your time. Those no talent Gp racers knows nothing practicing with their 250cc bikes to practice shifting and cornering. Sigh.....
yea, you got tired of pushing the ninja 300 at its limit on the straights... and bending at 40mph kneel down, butt out. be safe dude, ride within your level not your ego
ickk rou I’ve had the r6 for almost a month. I miss the 300 already. I don’t ride with my ego. Here in Cali it’s legal to lane split and even cars in front of me give me way to lane split but I don’t choose to. I’m trying to be a safe/defensive rider. Btw, one highlight that I love about the r6 compared to the 300 riding in the freeway.
I got to ride an 06 Ninja 500R and honestly I really didn't like it, the parallel twin motor with carbs is kinda sad and the gearing felt too high to me, had to keep the RPMs crazy high for it to make much power.
Hahahha this reminds me of when my ex girlfriends dad tried to act tough on his Harley after calling my Ninja 250 a girls bike. The little 250 whooped his ass, screaming at 13,000 rpm the whole way but it won😂
My buddy just bought a cbr 600RR like a month ago as his first bike and he's riding it like hes done it for years. Just don't be stupid, know the boundaries and be gentle with the throttle
I also started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it.
Mine was a kR1S 250cc & it taught me a lot about holding good corner speed & that stood me in good stead for the 636 2004 a year later , & i still have said 636 & still use it & love it , its as reliable as the day i bought it new all those years ago ❤
Man.... I never rode a street bike. And I bought a 636. Throttle control man. You have the power if you need it. I'm glad I didnt get a slow bike. I love my 636. Everyone's always in my rear view
I also started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it.
I started on a 300 and moved on to a 600 after about 5k miles of riding (which is a little quick). You can definitely start on a zx6r or similar but if you're someone that likes pushing your bike, it's just safer to start on a 300. Personally I'm not someone that's going to be super light on the throttle with these bikes; if I was I would've gotten more of a cruiser. I had a number of close calls navigating tight turns that definitely would've resulted in an accident had I been riding a 600. Like everyone says, there's no right or wrong answer, just know yourself.
To anyone looking at a beginner bike I say go small. Will you get bored of the power in a few months? Yeah probably but when that happens you can start learning how to turn hard and brake hard and push the limits of the bike and really learn how to ride well so when you do upgrade eventually you'll be better than all the guys who started on 600s or 1000s
Great video, I started riding last your around the start of spring. First bike was basically a freebie since just got a salary bonus, $800 for an 85’ Suzuki GS550L- after adding a couple thousand miles ended up buying a 05’ Ninja 636; well I brought the bike out after the winter is over, TOTALLY FORGOT HOW POWERFUL SHE IS ❤️
ive gone from a 180bhp ZX10R (which was stolen) to a 70bhp SV650 and yeah the power delivery is very noticeable but with that being said the SV650 tears it up at the lights as it has tons of torque
It always depends on the rider. Some people can get into trouble on a 250 rebel and others shouldn't even be on a bike. Testosterone and arrogance, you mix these two together in just the right way and it's a great recipe for making road crayons.
Im Thinking To buy an Z900 Or Aprilia Shiver 900 I just got my license I want a Nice looking bike That Wont kill me i saw those bikes in the dealer Olmost wanted to buy the z900 didnt even test drive it
That is not a great argument for debunking "no replacement for displacement." The ninja 650 and 636 are apples and oranges. One is a commuter motor and one is a track motor. The saying means that the ZX10r is superior in power than the 636 which both have similar engine configuration and purpose. You mentioned a 1300cc Harley struggles to make 70 horespower, but it makes around 80 ft-lbs compared to a 636 making 46 ft-lbs at over double the rpm. Manufactures could have their bikes produce more power but it isn't appropriate for the target market. You did a good job talking about the factors (cam profile, etc.) that change those figures. My two cents here is just that the bigger motor is always more powerful (or capable of more power due to tuning) if both it and a smaller motor are developed for the same task.
Another thing to watch out for is torque. I know a lot of folks starting out grab onto the throttle when they make a mistake, going into a turn, feel a bump in the road, etc as a natural reflex. Having a big harley, which not having much power up in the higher RPM's, they produce quite a bit of torque when taking off.
@No_Name Yeah I used to have an old Ninja 250 that revved to 14K and topped out at 91 mph gps lol. A lot of fun sometimes I miss that bike, but parts are getting hard to find for sure.
That was a VERY sensible video, more people need to start understanding motorcycles better to find the right bike and not give niche bikes a bad reputation. I subscribed on watching this video!
@alan bane Different strokes for different folks. Some people dont like to slide under semis at 180mph on Ninja H2's. Most Harley guys just like the open air and cruising arround. And the gas milage is pretty great.
It's almost like Harleys aren't made for race tracks or something. No shit they don't have more power, they have a ton of low end torque though and they're way more comfortable and capable for long rides.
A lot of people do not seem to realize that technology has improved and the age/type of the bike makes a difference! My 1987 BMW K100 is a 1 liter inline 4 sport tourer cranking out 90HP, which is a lot less than even a modern 600/4 sport bike can do. My buddy is nuts for thinking my vintage beamer is anywhere near as fast as hit 06 Z750S lol
@@phatrides222000 More likely to lose it on the first corner scrap it and be in a chair for the rest of his days, just watch a few videos of your fellow countrymen riding and losing it on freeway curves, real motorcyclists have learnt how to control these missiles, new riders don't have a clue.
@@phatrides222000 The best reason we have over here in the UK for them not coming along, they do a test on a 125, then need to do another test on a middleweight before they're allowed on anything over a certain horsepower which by that time they're either dead or learnt how to ride properly, no new rider should be allowed on what is a race bike, they're accidents waiting to happen because the nature of people is to test how fast their bike will go and then they fk up.
fornicateu2 that’s how it should be. Over you are allowed to start on anything. My test was to just do a figure 8 without dropping the bike. Not exactly proof you can ride. We definitely need stricter steps in the US.
In the UK I did all my training on a 90hp Honda 650. That's the sort of bike you learn on, and have to pass your motorcycle test on. It's the best way to prepare you for riding on your own. Passing a test on a small displacement bike, and then being able to ride anything is crazy. Training and a test on a larger hp bike is the best way to go.
I'm in the US and what you described is exactly what I did lol. I got a ninja 400 last May, passed my test on it, put about 8,000 miles on it, and just bought an 05 636 2 weeks ago. The fact that I am legally able to go out and purchase a brand new s1000rr just because I was able to pass the test on a ninja 400 is absolutely insane. Only solution I can think of is to require motorcyclists to take a track course every time they get a new bike or something. I think it's just a monetary issue because motorcycling is such a niche hobby.
I was always taught that the replacement for displacement was a way of thinking about tuning engines and how when you get to a certain horsepower a bigger engine is going to be better. Sure you could tune a 600 to 180bhp but it’s better to have a bigger engine handling that power easier and having less stresses therefore more reliability that then 600.
You're right, displacement isn't what decides the power but how effectively it's used. Sometimes displacement is increased to make torque rather than power.
In my country , to get a license, you got to do a riding course on a 150cc bike, and if you pass,you only get to ride or buy 200cc and below. A year later you get to retake the course with a 400cc, and you can ride or buy bikes up to 400cc. Then lastly another year later you retake it with an 800cc bike and now you can buy and ride any engine sized bikes. Starting on a 200/300 is the best thing to do.
Nice video! Random bit of constructive criticism: I think the outro portion of the video might look better if the social media icons were overlayed on the video instead of making the video a smaller portion of the screen.
@@hanzo2238 Of course I am not, but you are the one wrong! A professional rider can ride any bike at any time. A beginner rider cannot ride any bike! What you can handle depends solely on individual skill, not the bike at all!
@@hanzo2238 You are just stupid. Being labeled a starter bike doesn't make it so. By your reasoning, no experienced rider can ride a starter bike, that is just stupid! And, no beginner can ride a RR. In reality, both are done daily, ride what you are comfortable with. Just cause you can only handle a 125, doesn't mean others can't handle more. Try growing up and getting educated...
Well it's just, there are some key displacement groups that are common to seek out performance over reliability and fuel economy. These displacement groups are often determined by the similar racing categories, which is why they are often so specific. The performance seeking cc categories are mainly like this: For inline 4 engines: - 400cc (for older bikes) - 600cc - 750cc - 1000cc For inline 3 engines: - 675cc - 800cc For V2 engines: - 800cc/900cc - 1100cc/1200cc For V4 engines: - 1000cc - 1100+ cc There are few performance parallel twin engines since they mainly offer low end torque and are not really good with high revs. These are mainly the ones used for touring/sports touring, beginner bikes, etc like most of the 650 class which is 80% parallel twin / inline twin engines. Almost all the 300cc bikes use this engine configuration too.
I started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it. Ohh and the 636 makes no power until 9,000 RPM so you can do what I did and shift early for the first few weeks and I can guarantee that you will not feel like it has to much HP to control. Good luck squids! 😈
Good video. When people hear my Monster is an 1100cc bike they usually flip out. In reality it has a single cam, air cooled twin motor which makes about 100hp. It’s about as fast as your typical 600cc sport bike until you hit about 80mph and then the sport bike will pull away.
I honk at people going only 120kmh on the Autobahn :D:D:D And 400 is pretty expensive, i got lasered with 129kmh on a 100kmh road and paid ~120€ if i remember correctly
2016 cbr 650.. Literally pulls away from the beginning till 70ish to 💯 mph from any 1k bike or 600cc bike. PERIOD.. Now living in California, I see a lot of veteran riders, that don't bother with the initial engage in what 'we' can do, on initial engage in roll on acceleration.
Even I use think the same way ..I always thought the more CC the bike has, the faster and stronger it is., but turn out I was so wrong, once I own a bike myself gradually started to understand about bike and its engines ... You know, you'll almost never know or understand about engine or bikes until you own one yourself....
Very true. My starter bike is a suzuki gs500f. Probably the best possible starter bike i couldve gotten. Even at 500cc it is comparable to 300cc bikes in power and performance. So yea its underpowered but perfect for a beginner. After riding it im glad i went with this over a cbr600. Riding a cbr 600 for a first bike would make learning take longer and also less enjoyable because youre fighting your survival instincts that can easily kill you onna fast 600 or 650
Nice. Also as a bonus that is rarely thought about. Upgrading to a more powerful bike is often very fun. So some might miss out on that when they start on supersport 1000's
Stark Never Said it had to be a modern engine or a 4stroke. But my point is still standing. Compare a torquey 650cc single with a 600cc supersport engine and you have the same concept. More then double the HP out of less volume
First binge was a 2008 CBR600RR in 2008.... loved it ! Now I ride 2017 XR650L & KTM 690R enduro SM & Harley street Glide stage 4screaming Eagle 13k in upgrades.
My inventory is as followed. 2017 Hawk 250 with 1 cylinder engine 219cc and 14hp. 2007 Hyosung with V2 engine 649cc and about 70hp. 2005 Triumph St 1050 with 3 cylinder engine 1049cc and about 125hp. 1980 Yamaha XS1100 with 4 cylinder engine 1102cc and about 90hp.
I will say this for one thing. The Ninja 636 is a MONSTER. I just sold my MINT 2007 GSXR 1000, and I bought a 2019 ZX6R, and I am shocked by how fast it feels for a 600. I think it’s the quick shifter that helps a lot. But, man this little 600 hauls!!! Not a beginner bike at all!! Not to mention in 2019 the did a 30% gearing reduction, so this 636 pulls stupidly hard.
I have a 1000cc Thermos bottle. Can carry plenty of hot beverage in it while going on a winter bicycle ride.
I have 2500cc in four 625 bottles for my bicycle rides (pretty hot where I live), that way you can also have option on more than one type of drink.
Andrés Romero two types of alcohol and two mixers.... good way to start a party, cowboy! Don’t forget to take condoms.
@@andresromerocoz 2020 Triumph Rocket 3
I have a 600cc except it only holds premium gasoline, no drinks. Also, I like to ride it and it goes very fast.
@@love2fight205 yeah? Nobody asked though
636? 650? ...
I have a 998cc
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Ouch
That cat is not as fast as a 500cc bike though.
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Joker expose! hahahaha more type of car can not easly beat the bike hahaha 😂 but maybe gtr have a chance
Haha i have a 1400cc car with barely 73hp and i get mad mileage
Pls kill me
Harley guy.... what size is that me... 600
Harley guy..... pfff mines a 1200
when he caught up to me at the next light I explained it to him! lol
I have a CBR650F and I was riding my bike against a Harley-Davidson that had a 1200cc engine and yes I smoke his ass ha ha .
Sport bike guy ..... what size is that me... 600
zx12 pfff mines a 1200 \
by the time you released the clutch the zx12 was already out of your sight
lol I'm sure your imaginary zx12 is crazy fast! lmao
@@carbonrrpilot imaginary or not 600s arent very fast. Some people just arent content with smaller bikes. But yall dont talk about that when that happens
@@carbonrrpilot I love seeing 600 riders like you bragging about beating 800 pound Harley but still get your asses smoked by 20 to 30 year old 1000s
I am from Asia and due to the narrower, much crowded and very little maintained roads I believe a 150cc bike but with a decent acceleration like Yamaha R15 is ideal for starters. Mainly because you learn to use and maneuver the power at your disposal responsibly due to the forced constrictions and dangers of the road but after a year or two or extensive riding you can gradually progress with a very stable learning curve as you move towards higher displacement engines.
Asians are also much smaller + lighter and like you said your roads aren't as good. Here in America We have bad roads in certain areas though you've got like half a continent of area but we have smooth wide highways and much wider lanes than most countries.
@@WalrusWinking There are huge Express Ways in India now, so a Litre class is perfect for Beginners and intermediates. Indians are growing taller and bigger now, 5.9 to 6.2 from GenZ are a lot common, so the Ride Height aint an issue.
Indians shrank a lot in the past 300 years, but recovery is lookin good
@@jashsylde8136 "so a Litre class is perfect for Beginners" urmmmm.... xD
'Ninja 650 is a slow beginner bike' still goes 0-100 in like 4 seconds lol
that 650 engine is awesome, I have a Versys based on that, I really like it!
Yea. It does 0 to 60 in 3.5 seconds lol it's only slow top end. Low end its a monster still
I have ninja 650 and its only slow top end. 0 to 60 it keeps with super bikes
CL Munro I dunno who’s riding those super bikes LOL. No offense. I had a 650 and loved it. Now I have a 636. Not the same league
Funny the announcer in this vid
Max speed 205km/h for the ninja 650
Slow?
Lol
I’m glad I started on a ZX6R, the 600’s are fine starting out imo because as long as you keep it low to mid rpm’s you won’t get any crazy power and you can slowly start accelerating faster till you’re accustomed to it. My worry with people starting out on slower bikes is they will get too comfortable on them and when they get a 600 or 1k they will be overconfident. To each their own, do what you know you can handle
I’d tend to agree with you on that. I started on a Yammy R3 and a Honda CBR250. After moving over to a Kawasaki Z650 it took a while for me to relearn my throttle and clutch inputs because I was too used to being able to ham fist the smaller displacement bikes I’d ridden previously and had to undo that muscle memory. If I’d started out on the Z650 I would have already committed the finer throttle and clutch control required for a bigger displacement bike to muscle memory and probably be in good stead to ride a litre bike if I wanted to. If anything I think a four cylinder 600 would probably be easier to learn on than the two cylinder 650 class bikes as the 650s are very torquey down low and thus the low speed throttle control would be more difficult.
Idk why i love your voice HeroRR. Your voice is like a cool guy or calm guy
Really really good video, I’m happy to see someone do a video about this topic because I hear people talk about this all the time, especially friends who are new riders and I’m glad to see someone explain this. I’ll definitely send people this link to this video if I hear them ask questions about this topic!
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it! Here's hoping this will clear up some confusion from newer riders.
Larger engine size doesn’t necessarily mean more power. Case in point: every harley
Not necessarily true - V-twins have obnoxious amounts of low-end power and pull like a train without revving to obnoxiously high RPMs. On some of the bigger Harleys you could probably dump clutch at idle and it'll start going. Hell an Iron 883 hits peak torque of 51 ft/lbs at 3.5k RPM while an F800GS (torquey ADV parallel twin) makes 54 ft/lbs at 5.8k RPM and a Ducati 848 (V-twin sport bike) hits peak torque of 62 ft/lbs at 9.5k RPM. Even an inline four cylinder GSXR R750 won't hit 50bhp till 6k RPM (though it tops out at 126ft/lbs @14k thanks to having twice as many cylinders).
Power is power, torque is torque. An engine can be tuned to either have a good pull on the lows or a higher top speed on the high revs. Torque for better acceleration, power for higher top speed. Bigger displacement, longer piston stroke, less cylinders, cylinders arranged closer to the boxer configuration, all of this is more geared towards better torque at lower revolutions.
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I had an 86 Interceptor 750... I loved that bike, never should have sold it...
I’ve been thinking of grabbing up one of the unsold, still new and fresh out of the crate 2014 VFR800s that are for sale...
Harleys are meant for cruising not for racing against sport bikes!! Lol but I actually have both!!
@@corombb dude I have both harley and a gsxr750 and i have 750 horses on mine and its fast!! I also have a harley 48 and i was chasing a Yamaha R1 up on bear mountain only the pegs let me down!! Lol
I have a Ninja 650 and I agree. It's a great beginner bike that looks awesome, and it's possible to have a bit of fun on it without being taken by surprise by the power.
My start wasn't ideal. I purchased a 636 as my starter. I know this is gonna trigger possible insults but my father told me that if you start out with a low power bike, you are shortly going to thirst for more power, get bored and want to sell the bike before riding season is over. Now bikes, displacement and power were different decades ago and he was more into Harley's.
I high sided on my bike. I wasn't going very fast at all, the bike definitely has that top end even on low power mode. I was cut off by a car in a residential part (I wasn't going to main streets yet), I grabbed for too much front brake, didn't pull in the click and grazed the the throttle and the result was an endo with me eating sh!t. In hindsight, it's not the bike, it was me and I learned from that mistake. I always intended on MSF courses, they were't available just yet and I was taking it easy with a permit in residential areas only. I'm getting back on the saddle, pursuing the MSF licensing course and will learn my bike, taking the learning curve into perspective as the bike isn't going anyway. I reiterate, it's not the bike it's experience/skill lvl. Ride within your limits. If you don't feel confident, park the bike and think it over, watch videos, take classes and focus on what will make you a better rider.
I guess it might be situational. First bike is a Vulcan 900 Custom. Don't get me wrong, it's a great bike... I bought it to be SUPER SAFE.... well... just a few months in and I am already wishing I had started on something bigger. Problem is.. i'm 6'2'' and 290 lbs. I had extremely limited options in the sub $8000 arena. Now I feel stuck, paying for a Bike that I DO love... but just like a bad relationship... I look at her and just wish she was someone else.
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Dude, it isn’t the bike, or the engine size, it is the fact that YOU haven’t figured it out yet. We have all heard the saying, “no matter how hot the chick is, there is some guy somewhere that is tired of riding her.” The fact is, motorcycles are the same.... go hang out downtown where all the sport bike riders hang out on their bikes and don’t even go inside, occasionally leaving in small groups to go ride the circuit and then right back to the parking lot (most areas have one of these). Take a look at the guys on the expensive/fast bikes..... most of them are talking about their NEXT bike.... because their bikes are sexy as hell, but those dudes are already tired of riding them, just like the hot chicks whose boyfriends are checking out the tits on some other chick. You are in NEARLY the same boat, but the difference is that you are too broke to “divorce” the nag you have...
There are guys out there that would give their left nut for the nag you have... enjoy the fact that you have a ride and get to mount her every day... and don’t let her know that you are fantasizing about some other mount when you climb on top of her....
Lol, thanks for the laugh...
This video is overdue... Thanks for clearing some of that up with new riders.
Good video. This “cylinders-hard-to-understand” problem is also the reason, why people usually struggle to understand, why they cant get such a sweet sound from their Ninja 650 even with a new exhaust, while the 636 sounds like a God.
Parallel twin vs inline four huge difference
I have both a CBR500R and 675R. People say they started on a 600 inline 4 and did fine, but I can tell you from experience that the lower displacement has insane handling at low speeds and I believe helps to make you a better rider even in the long run. You don’t really appreciate the power and speed of a faster bike or notice the huge agility difference of a smaller bike until you’ve practiced on both. I don’t even know how people ride liter bikes sometimes. I’ve taken the 675R to 154 mph and pushed it to my very limits on corners where I’m exiting so fast the front wheel is coming off the ground and you can feel the chassis bending then hit air cuz of a tiny bump in the road.
This is probably THE channel I searched for the past 6 months, good that I just wound it as the motorcycle season begins (doing my license atm)
long story short life wouldnt let me afford a bike for 15 years after I wrecked my old 750 vulcan in 2000. I got a ninja 300 a few years ago as an ease back into riding bike. my plan was to replace it in a couple years but she is so fiesty and fun I am just keeping her. she's light flicky and very forgiving. she tops out between 108 to 125 depending on weather wind and the seemingly random quality of gas that gets put into her tank. at the same time she can be at max speed by the time I get out of the parking lot and I have straight up smoked a lot of the bigger cruisers off the line. 600s and up leave me pretty quick though. its all good though love my lil 300 she is awesome.
short life?
Great basic video. Straight to the point
Lol I started on a GSXR750. Absolutely love the thing, it taught me really quickly to respect its power and ride cautiously
I’m starting on a 636 best decision I love it 🔥
@@eddiegonzalez4049 Are u still alive?
you are the man, HeroRR you're the only motovlogger i watch now
this is like motorcycle for dummies..
which is great. nicely done *thumbs*
started on a cbr250r, now have a 08 GSX650F next up is a 07-09 GSX-R 750 by the middle of summer next year :)
I kinda regret not buying a gsx650f, I have the bandit 650, cause i thought a naked looked cool. funny thing about commuting, wind protection is quite nice xD hope you are enjoying it
Fx the bandits are bulletproof though. You didn’t make a wrong choice there
Started ktm duke 690 7months later got myself a superduke 1290r ...
You should get a K5 because they are better
How long did you ride the cbr250r before upgrading and how was the transition?
I just started riding my cbr250r a month ago.
I just bought a Harley Sportster 1200 cc. I did know that they don't have much power (and also mine is limited to 35 kW/47 hp due to European bike license reasons) but man, that torque. I clocked 0-100 km/h in 4.5 s and with the margin of error I dare to say that in reality it's under 5 s. The horsepower doesn't tell everything.
endmysuffering 4.5s haha
My z1000 is 2.8
I appreciate this video. It finally makes sense now. I was wondering why the Ninja 650 was selling cheaper than all the other 600cc bikes. Makes sense now. 🙌🏾
Must've been looking at other 600s, the ZX-6R 636 is absolutely more expensive than the 650.
This video is very informative and helpful.keep up the good work!
Nice video. I find that torque and clutch “weight” also makes a huge difference. I ride an 1100 Ducati and it’s got so much damn torque it’s unpredictable. Also some bikes (especially older) have very heavy dry clutches which can be a nightmare for new riders.
Thiiiiissss is so important. Thanks for making this @HeroRR
I agree with this. I own a Honda St1300. Today I test rode an Fz1. This Fz1 has the smaller displacement but was a lot faster than my ST1300. Great vid brother.
No idea why you would ever need anything faster than the cop bike, the ST1300, unless you are breaking the law. FABULOUS engine imo but it is a bit heavy.
I LOVED my 2014 650F. I like how it sounds like the Supersports. Rode it for about a year before upgrading
I have a 650 right now and I love it, definitely gonna upgrade but I’m going to enjoy it while I have it
Dankovich i have a 650 aswell, si gle cylinder. Adv bike, has great pull 2nd and up. Looking at an fz07 next I dont really care for going fast 100+. Fz 07 has decent pull you can actually feel while the bike gets louder and louder. Thats what I love about my klr650, but i just want more torque, she screams going 15mph in 1st. At this point i am just so used to upright seating position that there is no going back. I was a bit confused years ago about this same topic but through reserach i figured it out. Has a co worker ask me the same thing talked in this vid, a total newb btw. Heck, i am still learning about the diffrent types of bikes. There is no better feeling tearing your bike apart to fix whatever is wrong with it and properly fixing it. Makes you more of an asset to others aswell I am into that sorta thing.
My first bike is a ninja 636. Im glad i didnt listen to other people telling me it wasn't a beginner bike as i almost bought a 250. Im glad with the decision i made and the bike is perfect for me.
I started on a '14 636 and in all honesty, it was extremely difficult to learn on especially when I consider the fact that I earned my license on a 31hp 300cc bike. It took me many months to get used to the top end pull and at the end of the day, if that bike didn't have lower power mode, I might not be here right now. I agree wholeheartedly with HR2 and if I were to do this again, I'm not even sure I'd start on a 650, I'd probably consider a 390 duke as I wouldn't have had to fight the feeling of utter fear while getting acclimated to riding which I often did on the six tre..
Ehm Ee nice, I started on a 15’ 636, first bike ever, loved it & it wasn’t difficult for me but everybody is different
i started on a 2008 cbr 600rr at the age of 16 now I'm 19 and ride a turbo 2016 zx10r learning was easy, the most difficult part was getting adjusted to my insanity lol
In all honesty, my issue is I owned a few fast Honda's so the high strung nature of sportbikes seduced me into continually pushing the right wrist envelope. I shouldn't say it was difficult to ride bcuz it wasn't, the difficult part was controlling myself from not ringing out a 10 second vehicle every time I got on it. Since then I've participated in a few track riding courses and have owned a 750 and H2 so believe me.. I'm str8er than 6 o'clock bcuz the 6tre forced my to sharpen my skillset reaaalllll quick but its truly a double edged sword. Once again, if I had to do it over, I'd have started on a smaller bike but that's me..
i started on a H2R... totaled it the same day while riding in the 1 gear, now Im riding a honda nsr 125 :)
Dude im kidding, i started on a honda nsr 125...
It’s nice to see an actual video explaining this. now I can send it to buddies who ask me about this.
I looked at the CC`S when I first started riding because I was a novice and as a learner I wanted the biggest CC I could LEGALLY RIDE LOL, I bought my bikes on physical size and type(race/offroad) only when I had been riding for a year or so, BUT! It was not until riding after a few years I discovered different engine designs and type.
This discovery made me search for the best engine too power delivery and that my friend WAS THEE TRUE EYEOPENER!!:)
The 2 stroker is light and powerful BUT the INLINE 4 is powerful and revvy,the V2, twin is torquey, the V4 is the best of both inline and v twin, FFS please choose wisely lol :)
I now ride a HONDA VTR1000F FIRESTORM/HAWK and I love it:)
For a broad explanation, your video was great.
Well done mate.
Your recommending 600ccs but id recommend a 400 or a 250 so you can actually get to know what a motorcycle can do
650 slow? I do consider anything that goes over 135 mph on public roadways super dangerous for a beginner. I have the 650 abs blue racing edition build and i got dyno to 170mph. If you are a beginner I'll recommend the lower cc's like a 300 until you gain enough skills and confidence to move on to a bigger bike.
man I'm telling you, if you don't know how to ride bikes those 300cc with 45bhp are waaaaay too fast as well lol. Sure, you can learn pretty fast with them, but they still do +110mph
@@HormigaZ true that's why I don't get this guy saying that a 650 is slow. Any bike that goes over 100 mph is super dangerous for someone without any skills.
Literally picking my 650 up in half an hour
How’s it been?
The right of passage to the litre bikes is fast disappearing 😕.
Okay the period of 2 strokes is over but there was something nostalgic about starting your journey on a small 2 stroke and working your way up.
I'm 44 and my own personal climb to an R1 started on a RG80 followed by an RS125 and then a TZR125RR. Next came 2 x CBR400's an R6 and now an R1.
I don't know maybe I'm showing my age but I'm kinda proud of my right of passage to the big bikes.
Started on a ninja300 last month. Got tired of it after a week. Then traded it in for an 04 r6. Love that thing.
AJ Mariano I know what you mean bro. Who cares if your r6 has 2 in wide chicken strip. Ninja 300 is gutless and beginner bike that deserve less than a week of your time. Those no talent Gp racers knows nothing practicing with their 250cc bikes to practice shifting and cornering. Sigh.....
yea, you got tired of pushing the ninja 300 at its limit on the straights... and bending at 40mph kneel down, butt out. be safe dude, ride within your level not your ego
ickk rou I’ve had the r6 for almost a month. I miss the 300 already. I don’t ride with my ego. Here in Cali it’s legal to lane split and even cars in front of me give me way to lane split but I don’t choose to. I’m trying to be a safe/defensive rider.
Btw, one highlight that I love about the r6 compared to the 300 riding in the freeway.
I got to ride an 06 Ninja 500R and honestly I really didn't like it, the parallel twin motor with carbs is kinda sad and the gearing felt too high to me, had to keep the RPMs crazy high for it to make much power.
I know people that actually race 300's and they will smoke any regular joe on a 600cc super sport.
This channel is a fresh breath of air. GREAT MAN
Hahahha this reminds me of when my ex girlfriends dad tried to act tough on his Harley after calling my Ninja 250 a girls bike. The little 250 whooped his ass, screaming at 13,000 rpm the whole way but it won😂
Seamus Flynn lmao
She’s your ex because her dad make her break up with you.
maybe y'all bcome exes right after u whooped his ass
Of all the things that didnt happen, this happened the least
I respect the ninja 250 . It is still a road warrior 👍🏼
Your RESPONSE TO COMMENTS videos are awesome. Very satisfying video brother.
I started on a 636. Did just fine. Respect the bike, and don’t be a squid......
I heard that b4 when i asked this guy what size bike i should start out with
My buddy just bought a cbr 600RR like a month ago as his first bike and he's riding it like hes done it for years.
Just don't be stupid, know the boundaries and be gentle with the throttle
thinking about buying a sport bike. have had a bobber i ride around everywhere, i think im gonna grab a 636
I agree. I'm in my first bike right now and it's a CBR600F2. love this thing🥰
I also started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it.
Mine was a kR1S 250cc & it taught me a lot about holding good corner speed & that stood me in good stead for the 636 2004 a year later , & i still have said 636 & still use it & love it , its as reliable as the day i bought it new all those years ago ❤
Man.... I never rode a street bike. And I bought a 636. Throttle control man. You have the power if you need it. I'm glad I didnt get a slow bike. I love my 636. Everyone's always in my rear view
Until you roll up on a 750 gixxer like myself 😎
Shittttttt 636 kills
Including the popo.
@@jasontodd9302 Until you roll up on a R1 like myself. 😎
I also started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it.
Awesome video man! thanks for posting these! I'm learning so much.
I have a 650 and in getting the 636 for my next bike
It's a great bike you'll love it 👍
King Harvick Pfft! Try turbo ZX14 with nitrous and racing fuel 500kw at the wheel.
Haybusa´s are ugly af and have no fun charakteristics except for speeding in a straight line
Corey Edgar im getting the kawasaki zx6r 2017 in a couple weeks.
Dont waste your time get a 1000cc most after 2008 have mode settings anyway so can bee 600 750 or 1000
I understand now why my friends told me to be careful with the 636R!! Amazing vid!
Very informative videos haters gonna hate i been ridin for years so i know what ur sayin is true
I started on a 300 and moved on to a 600 after about 5k miles of riding (which is a little quick). You can definitely start on a zx6r or similar but if you're someone that likes pushing your bike, it's just safer to start on a 300. Personally I'm not someone that's going to be super light on the throttle with these bikes; if I was I would've gotten more of a cruiser. I had a number of close calls navigating tight turns that definitely would've resulted in an accident had I been riding a 600. Like everyone says, there's no right or wrong answer, just know yourself.
To anyone looking at a beginner bike I say go small. Will you get bored of the power in a few months? Yeah probably but when that happens you can start learning how to turn hard and brake hard and push the limits of the bike and really learn how to ride well so when you do upgrade eventually you'll be better than all the guys who started on 600s or 1000s
Great video, I started riding last your around the start of spring. First bike was basically a freebie since just got a salary bonus, $800 for an 85’ Suzuki GS550L- after adding a couple thousand miles ended up buying a 05’ Ninja 636; well I brought the bike out after the winter is over, TOTALLY FORGOT HOW POWERFUL SHE IS ❤️
go with inline 4, you will love the sound it make
mad lipi I love all bikes but the sound of a v twin is just holy for me
ive gone from a 180bhp ZX10R (which was stolen) to a 70bhp SV650 and yeah the power delivery is very noticeable but with that being said the SV650 tears it up at the lights as it has tons of torque
Bob England my first bike was a sv650 and I loved it to death. I’m in a z1000 now but would happily go back
It always depends on the rider. Some people can get into trouble on a 250 rebel and others shouldn't even be on a bike. Testosterone and arrogance, you mix these two together in just the right way and it's a great recipe for making road crayons.
Im Thinking To buy an Z900 Or Aprilia Shiver 900 I just got my license
I want a Nice looking bike That Wont kill me i saw those bikes in the dealer Olmost wanted to buy the z900 didnt even test drive it
Actually, this is pretty good. You're so much right about so many things about the displacement and the power. Good content, Love from India !
That is not a great argument for debunking "no replacement for displacement." The ninja 650 and 636 are apples and oranges. One is a commuter motor and one is a track motor. The saying means that the ZX10r is superior in power than the 636 which both have similar engine configuration and purpose. You mentioned a 1300cc Harley struggles to make 70 horespower, but it makes around 80 ft-lbs compared to a 636 making 46 ft-lbs at over double the rpm. Manufactures could have their bikes produce more power but it isn't appropriate for the target market. You did a good job talking about the factors (cam profile, etc.) that change those figures. My two cents here is just that the bigger motor is always more powerful (or capable of more power due to tuning) if both it and a smaller motor are developed for the same task.
Ever heard of boost like a supercharger the one on the h2 per example
Stop saying they dont compare. You can compare anything
My first bike was a gsx650f. Hard to get that weight around but it paid massive dividends for the rest of the bikes after and ever more.
Any bike is a good starter bike. It’s all about self control. After all, the rider rides the motorcycle, it doesn’t crash on its own
But not a 1000cc please..
I agree
Another thing to watch out for is torque. I know a lot of folks starting out grab onto the throttle when they make a mistake, going into a turn, feel a bump in the road, etc as a natural reflex. Having a big harley, which not having much power up in the higher RPM's, they produce quite a bit of torque when taking off.
Haha the Ninja 650 doesn't get anywhere near 12000 rpms. Rev limit at 10, and really you're shifting at 8 anyway.
@No_Name Yeah I used to have an old Ninja 250 that revved to 14K and topped out at 91 mph gps lol. A lot of fun sometimes I miss that bike, but parts are getting hard to find for sure.
That was a VERY sensible video, more people need to start understanding motorcycles better to find the right bike and not give niche bikes a bad reputation. I subscribed on watching this video!
Harley's BTFO
>1300CC
>70 HP
I guess its true harley riders like to make a lot of noise and "cruise" slowly around
@alan bane Different strokes for different folks. Some people dont like to slide under semis at 180mph on Ninja H2's. Most Harley guys just like the open air and cruising arround. And the gas milage is pretty great.
It's almost like Harleys aren't made for race tracks or something. No shit they don't have more power, they have a ton of low end torque though and they're way more comfortable and capable for long rides.
A lot of people do not seem to realize that technology has improved and the age/type of the bike makes a difference! My 1987 BMW K100 is a 1 liter inline 4 sport tourer cranking out 90HP, which is a lot less than even a modern 600/4 sport bike can do. My buddy is nuts for thinking my vintage beamer is anywhere near as fast as hit 06 Z750S lol
I'm going to buy a 636 as first bike cause I'm not rich enough to change bikes after a couple of months
thats why you buy a beater as your first bike. You likely will sell it for what you paid.
@@phatrides222000 More likely to lose it on the first corner scrap it and be in a chair for the rest of his days, just watch a few videos of your fellow countrymen riding and losing it on freeway curves, real motorcyclists have learnt how to control these missiles, new riders don't have a clue.
@@fornicateu2 I have seen enough new riders crashing trying to keep up when we told them not to. Everyone wants to run before they walk.
@@phatrides222000 The best reason we have over here in the UK for them not coming along, they do a test on a 125, then need to do another test on a middleweight before they're allowed on anything over a certain horsepower which by that time they're either dead or learnt how to ride properly, no new rider should be allowed on what is a race bike, they're accidents waiting to happen because the nature of people is to test how fast their bike will go and then they fk up.
fornicateu2 that’s how it should be. Over you are allowed to start on anything. My test was to just do a figure 8 without dropping the bike. Not exactly proof you can ride. We definitely need stricter steps in the US.
In the UK I did all my training on a 90hp Honda 650. That's the sort of bike you learn on, and have to pass your motorcycle test on. It's the best way to prepare you for riding on your own. Passing a test on a small displacement bike, and then being able to ride anything is crazy. Training and a test on a larger hp bike is the best way to go.
I'm in the US and what you described is exactly what I did lol. I got a ninja 400 last May, passed my test on it, put about 8,000 miles on it, and just bought an 05 636 2 weeks ago. The fact that I am legally able to go out and purchase a brand new s1000rr just because I was able to pass the test on a ninja 400 is absolutely insane. Only solution I can think of is to require motorcyclists to take a track course every time they get a new bike or something. I think it's just a monetary issue because motorcycling is such a niche hobby.
Bore : Stroke ratio tells you most of what you need to know about an engine
Nick Belanger overbore ftw
Me: "Can I have like a 10mm stroke that revs to 20k please?"
@@Jackisaboss1208 with a 10 mm stroke you're looking at more like 30K to 40K rev range
@mister clean here, take my life savings
You say a Honda CBR650F is a bad beginner bike but here in the UK we learn and go through our DAS course on these bikes???
I was always taught that the replacement for displacement was a way of thinking about tuning engines and how when you get to a certain horsepower a bigger engine is going to be better. Sure you could tune a 600 to 180bhp but it’s better to have a bigger engine handling that power easier and having less stresses therefore more reliability that then 600.
Started on a 2015 636. Love it and don't ever see myself getting a different sports bike. 🤘 It's all about what makes the rider feel comfortable
I just wonder if traction control and low power mode (potentially ABS as well) on the 636 help to close some of the rider friendliness gap.
no. theres only one thing that matters. power to weight ratio.
You're right, displacement isn't what decides the power but how effectively it's used. Sometimes displacement is increased to make torque rather than power.
Harley is the best because it has the loudest pipes...right?
54macdog noo...
54macdog yup, 2 pipes= extra 50 hp each! Vroooooooom.
My gsxr has been way louder then some Harley’s, not all.. but that’s probably because it’s pretty well running a straight pipe..😂
Harleys fastest because chrome.
By loudest pipes, do you mean exhaust sound most similar to shitting in an echo chamber?
In my country , to get a license, you got to do a riding course on a 150cc bike, and if you pass,you only get to ride or buy 200cc and below. A year later you get to retake the course with a 400cc, and you can ride or buy bikes up to 400cc. Then lastly another year later you retake it with an 800cc bike and now you can buy and ride any engine sized bikes. Starting on a 200/300 is the best thing to do.
Me: does size matter
My crush: nooooooo
Great explanation. Ride on RR brother
If you have the bucks and the guts, the H2 is your starter bike.
more like a "finisher bike"
Yeah it's your gateways to heaven
I went with the h2r
Nah bro It's way to Heavy
I'd go with Kawasaki H2r or A Hayabusa
Nice video! Random bit of constructive criticism: I think the outro portion of the video might look better if the social media icons were overlayed on the video instead of making the video a smaller portion of the screen.
Thanks I appreciate any constructive criticism. I'm planning on redoing the outro entirely and I will definitely consider your suggestion :)
There are no starter bikes, only starter riders.
Im sorry but your wrong
@@hanzo2238 Of course I am not, but you are the one wrong! A professional rider can ride any bike at any time. A beginner rider cannot ride any bike! What you can handle depends solely on individual skill, not the bike at all!
@@1rebel13 there are no starter bikes? What? I myself started on a starter bike, so yeah starter bike exist and youbare wrong
@@hanzo2238 You are just stupid. Being labeled a starter bike doesn't make it so. By your reasoning, no experienced rider can ride a starter bike, that is just stupid! And, no beginner can ride a RR. In reality, both are done daily, ride what you are comfortable with. Just cause you can only handle a 125, doesn't mean others can't handle more. Try growing up and getting educated...
Well it's just, there are some key displacement groups that are common to seek out performance over reliability and fuel economy. These displacement groups are often determined by the similar racing categories, which is why they are often so specific. The performance seeking cc categories are mainly like this:
For inline 4 engines:
- 400cc (for older bikes)
- 600cc
- 750cc
- 1000cc
For inline 3 engines:
- 675cc
- 800cc
For V2 engines:
- 800cc/900cc
- 1100cc/1200cc
For V4 engines:
- 1000cc
- 1100+ cc
There are few performance parallel twin engines since they mainly offer low end torque and are not really good with high revs. These are mainly the ones used for touring/sports touring, beginner bikes, etc like most of the 650 class which is 80% parallel twin / inline twin engines. Almost all the 300cc bikes use this engine configuration too.
Good vid. I feel sorry to see that you guys in the US can't overtake the cars in traffic. It kills half of fun driving a motocycle.
larkinflight What? Bikes in the US can overtake cars though when it's legal to do so. Plus bikes here don't have speed governers for obvious reasons
cant lane split except california sad sad
traffic sucks here in south florida
Come here to California and see what’s up bro
How can you "DRIVE" a bike?
I started riding and taught both my kids how to ride on a 2018 Indian Scout, 1130CC, 100HP...fantastic beginner bike
People are dumb, my r6 was faster than my gsf1250
I started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it. Ohh and the 636 makes no power until 9,000 RPM so you can do what I did and shift early for the first few weeks and I can guarantee that you will not feel like it has to much HP to control. Good luck squids! 😈
Lmao addressing yourself not very impressive
h2 is a starterbike
A turbo busa is too
That’s what I started on
I liked the info man it just was a lot of new info for me as a beginner
Back to the what was the bike designed for🤓
Good video. When people hear my Monster is an 1100cc bike they usually flip out. In reality it has a single cam, air cooled twin motor which makes about 100hp. It’s about as fast as your typical 600cc sport bike until you hit about 80mph and then the sport bike will pull away.
A 650cc is faster at legal speeds, or around town.. once past that, a 600cc is faster at illegal speeds.. period
but im from germany
I honk at people going only 120kmh on the Autobahn :D:D:D And 400 is pretty expensive, i got lasered with 129kmh on a 100kmh road and paid ~120€ if i remember correctly
Except for the fact that you're wrong, sure. I promise you, my r6 accelerates harder than a ninja 650 at literally every speed higher than 10mph
2016 cbr 650.. Literally pulls away from the beginning till 70ish to 💯 mph from any 1k bike or 600cc bike. PERIOD..
Now living in California, I see a lot of veteran riders, that don't bother with the initial engage in what 'we' can do, on initial engage in roll on acceleration.
Meh, put a skilled rider on a 650 and your r6 will be nothing. Straight line racing isnt racing for me btw.
Oh man you clear so many doubt's in a single video
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Even I use think the same way ..I always thought the more CC the bike has, the faster and stronger it is., but turn out I was so wrong, once I own a bike myself gradually started to understand about bike and its engines ... You know, you'll almost never know or understand about engine or bikes until you own one yourself....
That's what you get for being a dummy. 🤡🤡
I love both Kawas💚
Thanks for this explanation💪🏽
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AeroR im sorry but you just broke my cringe scale
Very true. My starter bike is a suzuki gs500f. Probably the best possible starter bike i couldve gotten. Even at 500cc it is comparable to 300cc bikes in power and performance. So yea its underpowered but perfect for a beginner. After riding it im glad i went with this over a cbr600. Riding a cbr 600 for a first bike would make learning take longer and also less enjoyable because youre fighting your survival instincts that can easily kill you onna fast 600 or 650
Nice. Also as a bonus that is rarely thought about. Upgrading to a more powerful bike is often very fun. So some might miss out on that when they start on supersport 1000's
Well I drive a 650cc single. 48hp. Loads of torque. There are 250s out there making more power. It's really not about cc alone
What modern 4-stroke 250cc produces more power than a 650cc?
Stark Never Said it had to be a modern engine or a 4stroke. But my point is still standing. Compare a torquey 650cc single with a 600cc supersport engine and you have the same concept. More then double the HP out of less volume
Exactly, because no modern 4-stroke 250cc bike will come close to beating a 600/650cc. Only the old 250cc's (inline four) come close.
Stark So? What's your point man
Are... Are you all there?
First binge was a 2008 CBR600RR in 2008.... loved it ! Now I ride 2017 XR650L & KTM 690R enduro SM & Harley street Glide stage 4screaming Eagle 13k in upgrades.
At first i thought its Snapdragon 636 vs Snapdragon 650 🤣
Breh moment
Hahaha Qualcom
My inventory is as followed. 2017 Hawk 250 with 1 cylinder engine 219cc and 14hp. 2007 Hyosung with V2 engine 649cc and about 70hp. 2005 Triumph St 1050 with 3 cylinder engine 1049cc and about 125hp. 1980 Yamaha XS1100 with 4 cylinder engine 1102cc and about 90hp.
I have 50cc :(
Not a bad thing. Moped with the pedals?
I will say this for one thing. The Ninja 636 is a MONSTER. I just sold my MINT 2007 GSXR 1000, and I bought a 2019 ZX6R, and I am shocked by how fast it feels for a 600. I think it’s the quick shifter that helps a lot. But, man this little 600 hauls!!! Not a beginner bike at all!! Not to mention in 2019 the did a 30% gearing reduction, so this 636 pulls stupidly hard.