thank you, you saved me, I was considering updating my 3200 to 4400 but wanted to see the difference in 4k since i'm playing only 4k. Glad that I saw your video and i'm definitly sticking with 3200
I love how the biggest difference is from 2666 to 3200 because I have 3200mhz memory in my system right now, but it's being limited by my motherboard to 2666mhz, but I'm planning a motherboard upgrade that'll handle up to 4400mhz so that it'll be a little more future-proof, and I get a 'free upgrade' while I'm at it since my memory will be able to use its full 3200mhz speed finally! :) Thank you very much for this video. It was actually incredibly informative and helpful in my decision making going forward.
Thanks for making this video, what I take away from this is: after removing other bottlenecks, the RAM bottleneck is totally alleviated above 3200mhz CL16. The spread between that one and the higher bins seems to suggest mostly minimal improvements, but they do exist. I just bought some 4400mhz CL19 ram from Patriot, going up from 3000mhz CL16-18, and thanks to this video I KNOW I am going to gain some FPS (and probably some smoothness?).
In this type of test, it would be very useful to see average gpu usage through the benchmark. The reason is high speed ram is only useful when you are cpu bound. If you are hitting 99% usage with 2666 ram there is no need to test anything, as there will be no difference. It is very different when you enter low GPU usage scenarios. Though this is hard to quantify because they usually happen on multiplayer games or with poor optimization.
Remember that the higher the resolution it is not CPU bound it's GPU instead. Having faster RAM at a lower resolution will benefit more because it's CPU bound and not GPU. It's a trade off on resolution to performance balance.
Basically ram speeds get a huge bump when you transfer from 2400mhz to 2666. That's when a performance bump is made. After that, it gets littler and littler. 3000-3200 is the sweet spot
Nah fam 3600 is the way to go. Still pretty much the same cost as 3200 but a extra 7-10 fps plus higher 1 percent lows. Plus it's CPU dependent something like Ryzen really loves it's bandwidth from ram.
might be handy to know for people that are going to buy ryzen 3rd gen: 3733mhz cl17 is the sweetspot for performance because beyond this it switches to a so called 2:1 mode that massively increases latency.
The lack of difference between 4133 and 4400 is due to the GPU being the bottleneck at that point. As GPUs surpass the Titan V or 2080ti, that's when you'll see 4400 provide better frames than 4133. If this test was performed with two or more cards, I'd bet you'd see that proven immediately. Higher RAM speed can be worth it if you plan on keeping your system for a number of years and only upgrading the GPU. At 144hz, I'd rather have the highest speed I can run on my motherboard.
@@Globespy I'm sorry to say that the evidence doesn't back your argument. The Titan RTX is as fast as a RTX 2080 ti in gaming. They trade blows in benchmarks, stock and overclocked. The test this video is performing would be much more interesting if it were performed with a pair of NVLink RTX 2080 ti or Titan RTX in games that support the use of multiple GPUs.
I have been debating for the last year thinking about upgrading to ddr4 4400 i currently have my ram at 3000 i was also thinking about upgrading to i9 9900k i have a i7 8700k and a 2080ti is it worth it guy or should i save my money
Almost no differences in terms of fps. The differences in memory speeds do not necessarily focus on the maximum of fps, but on the stability of those fps. i'm sure that differences can be seen in the actual gameplay and a fps stability test would better show the differences.
I think his mobo is setting timings to. Relaxed for 4133 + thus no difference . I would like to see adia 64 memory benchmark showing read/write/ copy/ latency on each speed so we know the mobo isn't relaxing timings to much . A manually tuned set of 4000 MHz cl17 can beat 4400 not tuned.
Hi ! How did you set the Asus motherboard to run the DDR4 4400 Mhz because i have these memories and exactly the same motherboard and it doesn't work at all at this speed !!!! (pc turn off and on 5 times before going back to the Bios) I have to downclock to 4133Mhz to be stable !!! (XMP1 recognized or manualy set up) Could you tel me how you set the memory up on the bios ? Thank you very much PS: my cpu is a I9 9900K and the GC is a MSI RTX 2080 ti xtreme
I’ll have to keep an eye out 🤙🏽 I’ve seen some tests that show latency over the years really isn’t a factor, which made no sense to me! I’d rather a more stable frequency quicker than a faster frequency that’s responding slower. Interesting stuff, like you said you just gotta put it all together and I’m sure(limited-no experience) but you’ll get varying results with subtle changes to the numbers!
I'm upgrading soon to the Z390 Gene ITX motherboard with 3866MHz G Skill RGB, and hopefully a 9600 or 9700K. Not sure what CPU cooler to use as i've never messed with an AIO cooler before and i don't know how to do maintenance with them. I have a Zotac 1080 TI MITX.
What cpu do you have now? The i5 8600k is literaly the same as i5 9600k. Imo i7 8700k is a better value bc of those 6cores 12 threads instead of 8 cores. For the AIOs is just as simple as installing them and waiting till they die. You maintain them the same as you would mantain any other component. Every so often you spray out the dust with compressed air, but thats about it
Stupid video!! Gpu bottlenecked 90% of time. Why don't you people do 720p lowest settings to demonstrate the true max cpu/ memory fps??? How do you not understand that simple concept??
Because most people with a TRTX wouldn't be playing at such low resolutions to begin with. 1080-1440p is the golden standard, thus is most ideal for these test.
Now i know why my fps drop. My pc when playing pubg with with so many program runs behind got fps drop.. im using 2666 mhz ram 8x2... damn ... i must upgrade to 3200 minimum
wait nobody even noticed that a titan rtx witha 9900k can only get 60 fps in 14440p with dxr on? thats such a bad result... like literally 3000 euros for 60 fps? bruh...
Anyone with an rtx Titan who buys faster ram, shame on you. “I get 600+ FPS on cs go but I think 30 more will greatly be needed” {facepalm} 4K settings nearly on par with my 2070 max q on some games ffs! Were the ones that need fast ram 😂
3200CL14 and 3600CL16 have roughly the same performance. 3466CL14 (OC) is honestly really good already. If you have Intel 8th or 9th gen and have a high end gpu, just go for the TridentZ 4266CL19 kit provided that you have a highend motherboard.
This test is a joke, he has kits of varying latency (I mean true latency not cl) faster ram make a big difference depending on architecture of cpu. It would be more noticeable on ryzen due to infinity fabric being slower than ring bus that is used on Intel mainstream platforms.
I prefer to play my games at 1080p 240hz with as low input lag as possible. When I play anything on my 4k monitor, the input lag and low refresh rate just ruins the entire gaming experience to me.
Next time can you use ram at those speeds with better fucking CL.... those ram sticks are garbage 2666 at CL16 is so fucking bad, at least get 2666 CL14. You can even get 3600MHz at 15CL... You're for gamers but you chose these cards... not sure why.
Most stupid benchamrk I have ever seen. Putting settings to ultra bottlenecks GPU, therefore it doesnt test CPU/Memory ram differences as these doesnt matter while ur GPU is bottlenecking.
The fact that a state of the art system can render 700 frames in a game absolutely astonishes me, lol
thank you, you saved me, I was considering updating my 3200 to 4400 but wanted to see the difference in 4k since i'm playing only 4k. Glad that I saw your video and i'm definitly sticking with 3200
I love how the biggest difference is from 2666 to 3200 because I have 3200mhz memory in my system right now, but it's being limited by my motherboard to 2666mhz, but I'm planning a motherboard upgrade that'll handle up to 4400mhz so that it'll be a little more future-proof, and I get a 'free upgrade' while I'm at it since my memory will be able to use its full 3200mhz speed finally! :) Thank you very much for this video. It was actually incredibly informative and helpful in my decision making going forward.
Thanks for making this video, what I take away from this is: after removing other bottlenecks, the RAM bottleneck is totally alleviated above 3200mhz CL16. The spread between that one and the higher bins seems to suggest mostly minimal improvements, but they do exist. I just bought some 4400mhz CL19 ram from Patriot, going up from 3000mhz CL16-18, and thanks to this video I KNOW I am going to gain some FPS (and probably some smoothness?).
Love your benchmarks dude keep it up
Interesting how big the graph is considering the difference is 3-5 frames only
In this type of test, it would be very useful to see average gpu usage through the benchmark.
The reason is high speed ram is only useful when you are cpu bound. If you are hitting 99% usage with 2666 ram there is no need to test anything, as there will be no difference.
It is very different when you enter low GPU usage scenarios. Though this is hard to quantify because they usually happen on multiplayer games or with poor optimization.
Remember that the higher the resolution it is not CPU bound it's GPU instead. Having faster RAM at a lower resolution will benefit more because it's CPU bound and not GPU. It's a trade off on resolution to performance balance.
I wonder if it would be even faster taking the 4400 memory and setting it at 4133 with tight timings
Ya know what's tight Mr. Pepe frog?
@@echofunandgames7874 ya mom?
@@hyper_channel Yes you should know, because you are my dad
It absolutely would be for certain tasks. Honestly, ram doesn't matter all that much unless you have Ryzen.
@@hyper_channel wow he set himself up for complete failure....
Overcloced my corsair 3200c16 kit to 4200c18. Saw some nice improvements in cpu limited games
Vinnie J love corsairs ram 😃
Basically ram speeds get a huge bump when you transfer from 2400mhz to 2666. That's when a performance bump is made. After that, it gets littler and littler. 3000-3200 is the sweet spot
What about 3600? I seen two 8GB sticks for like 90 dollars. That doesn't seem like too much $
I'm surprised barely any difference between 4400 and 4133....thanks.
Yeah the difference is big between ram cpus
Look at the CAS speed, the 4133Mhz ram is poop.
3200 the way to go
Nah fam 3600 is the way to go. Still pretty much the same cost as 3200 but a extra 7-10 fps plus higher 1 percent lows. Plus it's CPU dependent something like Ryzen really loves it's bandwidth from ram.
still fine with ddr 3 2400
Yep in 1080p at least there is a diff
nah fam, 4600MHz TridentZ Gold Royale over here
@@dennisp8520 i wanted to say the same thing...
I just oc'ed my ram from 2133 to 2666... now after watch this video, i want to oc it to 5000
I look forward to you doing this test again with the upcoming ryzen 3000 processors.
might be handy to know for people that are going to buy ryzen 3rd gen: 3733mhz cl17 is the sweetspot for performance because beyond this it switches to a so called 2:1 mode that massively increases latency.
The lack of difference between 4133 and 4400 is due to the GPU being the bottleneck at that point. As GPUs surpass the Titan V or 2080ti, that's when you'll see 4400 provide better frames than 4133. If this test was performed with two or more cards, I'd bet you'd see that proven immediately.
Higher RAM speed can be worth it if you plan on keeping your system for a number of years and only upgrading the GPU.
At 144hz, I'd rather have the highest speed I can run on my motherboard.
But he used a Titan RTX, which is faster than Titan V and 2080ti.
@@Globespy I'm sorry to say that the evidence doesn't back your argument. The Titan RTX is as fast as a RTX 2080 ti in gaming. They trade blows in benchmarks, stock and overclocked.
The test this video is performing would be much more interesting if it were performed with a pair of NVLink RTX 2080 ti or Titan RTX in games that support the use of multiple GPUs.
The GPU is always bottle necked when pairing a 9900k and a 2080 ti. The reason their is almost no gain is the cl 18 vs the cl 19.
Thank you for all the clips :)
3000-3200 Mhz is the sweet spot
With Ryzen CPUs?
ryzen cpu not support 4400Mhz frequency
9900k
@@Aymerix03 Neither does 9900k technically... This is overclocking.
@@Koeras16 exactly
@@Aymerix03 but this kit may use lower timings and for ryzen this really important
I have been debating for the last year thinking about upgrading to ddr4 4400 i currently have my ram at 3000 i was also thinking about upgrading to i9 9900k i have a i7 8700k and a 2080ti is it worth it guy or should i save my money
Almost no differences in terms of fps. The differences in memory speeds do not necessarily focus on the maximum of fps, but on the stability of those fps. i'm sure that differences can be seen in the actual gameplay and a fps stability test would better show the differences.
Damn looks like I should upgrade my 2666 with my 2080,
How did u run your ram at 4400mhz? I have completely same cpu+mb+ram but i cant pass 4200mhz. Can u share your dram voltage, vccio and vccsa values?
The only difference is in my wallet. Thanks, I'm happy with my 3000mhz.
*5:55** Is that really possible?*
_*Average FPS = 1% Low FPS_
The game is capped at 300fps so probably yeah
@@AndreDevJS, it wasn't when I said this but yes.
If it was a 4133Mhz with CL17 instead would it be bigger difference in fps compared to 3200Mhz 1440p ?
when your CPU temps are higher than your GPU temps, rip
2x8GB 3200mhz is ideal 100eu !
Why is not difference at 4k?
O_O... 693 FPS on CS-GO ... shot-Fire before clicking
High fps does not provide you by skill in cs go. There are No difference between 300 fps and 600 when you are noob
@@timavery3350 calm down pussy
I have i5 6400 and with comends low settings I have 400-590fps
700 hertz monitors when
So fucking cringe
Doesn’t mean much if you are 1440p or 4K gaming. I recommend 3600mhz though
why 3600 tho?
I think his mobo is setting timings to. Relaxed for 4133 + thus no difference . I would like to see adia 64 memory benchmark showing read/write/ copy/ latency on each speed so we know the mobo isn't relaxing timings to much . A manually tuned set of 4000 MHz cl17 can beat 4400 not tuned.
Nice Bro Keep It Up 💟
I love music in your videos
Now I get it 4k gaming doesn't need good CPUs and fast RAMs
After watching this video I created ddr69420 ram with air molecules and overclocked it to 1 million thz
Hi ! How did you set the Asus motherboard to run the DDR4 4400 Mhz because i have these memories and exactly the same motherboard and it doesn't work at all at this speed !!!! (pc turn off and on 5 times before going back to the Bios)
I have to downclock to 4133Mhz to be stable !!! (XMP1 recognized or manualy set up)
Could you tel me how you set the memory up on the bios ?
Thank you very much
PS: my cpu is a I9 9900K and the GC is a MSI RTX 2080 ti xtreme
Is it single kit
or dual kit (3200mhz)??
Really very complete.
the cost difference from 3200 - 4000+ is clearly not worth it in performance.. appreciate the vid!
I’ll have to keep an eye out 🤙🏽 I’ve seen some tests that show latency over the years really isn’t a factor, which made no sense to me! I’d rather a more stable frequency quicker than a faster frequency that’s responding slower. Interesting stuff, like you said you just gotta put it all together and I’m sure(limited-no experience) but you’ll get varying results with subtle changes to the numbers!
I'm upgrading soon to the Z390 Gene ITX motherboard with 3866MHz G Skill RGB, and hopefully a 9600 or 9700K. Not sure what CPU cooler to use as i've never messed with an AIO cooler before and i don't know how to do maintenance with them. I have a Zotac 1080 TI MITX.
What cpu do you have now? The i5 8600k is literaly the same as i5 9600k. Imo i7 8700k is a better value bc of those 6cores 12 threads instead of 8 cores. For the AIOs is just as simple as installing them and waiting till they die. You maintain them the same as you would mantain any other component. Every so often you spray out the dust with compressed air, but thats about it
A 9900k would be best performance overall, but 8600k is best price/performance ratio.
I
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Every
Single
Fucking
Last
Frame
You need a SLI setup to make proper use of the high RAM speeds
Make this comparison with Ryzen CPUs, pls! Intel's ones have low latency, so the memory clock shouldn't make any difference...
I have 2400mhz
So what
I am seeing this
Is there an air cooler that can run this spec system without need for watercooling or AIO ???
Try a dark rock pro 4
Noctua NH-D15s or NH-D15
not worth the memories of 4000 mhz are very expensive and result is not so expressive. Ddr4 3200 mhz is the best option.
Why do so many people ruin their videos with stupid kids music?
3600mhz CL 16 BEST MEMORY FOR THE MONEY
What... 266 fps on rainbow 6 ??? With my rtx 2080 i only have .....80.... i have to check if something is wrong with the game...
Stupid video!! Gpu bottlenecked 90% of time. Why don't you people do 720p lowest settings to demonstrate the true max cpu/ memory fps??? How do you not understand that simple concept??
Because most people with a TRTX wouldn't be playing at such low resolutions to begin with. 1080-1440p is the golden standard, thus is most ideal for these test.
3200 sweet spot
Excellent test!
ok but those 4400 cl 19 we can oc to 3733 cl 14
Now i know why my fps drop. My pc when playing pubg with with so many program runs behind got fps drop.. im using 2666 mhz ram 8x2... damn ... i must upgrade to 3200 minimum
200€ more for like 5 fps increase? Thats dumb....
4400 mhz coming soon ?
wait nobody even noticed that a titan rtx witha 9900k can only get 60 fps in 14440p with dxr on? thats such a bad result... like literally 3000 euros for 60 fps? bruh...
You idiot...
Anyone with an rtx Titan who buys faster ram, shame on you.
“I get 600+ FPS on cs go but I think 30 more will greatly be needed” {facepalm}
4K settings nearly on par with my 2070 max q on some games ffs! Were the ones that need fast ram 😂
Re do this with rtx 3080 and 10900k@ 5.2 GHz :)
So Intel is not so in need for fast memory, not as Ryzen anyway.
guess 4133mhz is the top end of ddr4 then
grr you really should make axes start at zero.. it's very misleading to show charts like relative performance that looks very different to actuality
2133mhz??
Hyperx 4133mhz.... Soon
future proof what looks good to ur wallet
2 -3 fps between 3200mhz and 4400mhz pointless.
how this frames are possible even. with bfv 4k and 90 frames and above and with 2070???!!!
It is not a rtx 2070... It is a Titan rtx runing at 2070 mhz
The best for quality and price is 3200 mhz
PUGB FPS is real?
noice song :)
What about ddr4 3600mhz?
3200CL14 and 3600CL16 have roughly the same performance. 3466CL14 (OC) is honestly really good already. If you have Intel 8th or 9th gen and have a high end gpu, just go for the TridentZ 4266CL19 kit provided that you have a highend motherboard.
@@CknSalad I'm running an i9 and 2080 Ti should I keep my new 3200 ram or upgrade to 4200 at twice the cost?
@@15coals39 you could first try to overclock it to 3466-3600 at cl14-15.
This test is a joke, he has kits of varying latency (I mean true latency not cl) faster ram make a big difference depending on architecture of cpu. It would be more noticeable on ryzen due to infinity fabric being slower than ring bus that is used on Intel mainstream platforms.
I'm using Gskill FlareX (8x2) 16gb 3200mhz & I'm satisfied
......
The only relevant information here Is to buy a 4k monitor and forget about ram speed your done if yiur concern is only gaming
No if you will play e sports at 1080p high frequency wich is whay profs do
I prefer to play my games at 1080p 240hz with as low input lag as possible. When I play anything on my 4k monitor, the input lag and low refresh rate just ruins the entire gaming experience to me.
Next time can you use ram at those speeds with better fucking CL.... those ram sticks are garbage 2666 at CL16 is so fucking bad, at least get 2666 CL14. You can even get 3600MHz at 15CL... You're for gamers but you chose these cards... not sure why.
This tests just show how DXR is bad to the performance 😂
4000mhz+ is for works
1-3fps for the cause of a new cpu? dafaq!
Hi i can make you the same intro without the watermark
3200 sweet spot price perf
i chose 3200
bcause its has heatspreader.
what are you talking about, all ram has heat spreaders
ou seja não vale a pena o risco e o consumo do over.. o melhor custo beneficio é 3200mhz!!
Most stupid benchamrk I have ever seen. Putting settings to ultra bottlenecks GPU, therefore it doesnt test CPU/Memory ram differences as these doesnt matter while ur GPU is bottlenecking.
I have 3200mhz CL20
Nice
15000mhz win
music from hentai games
so sad he used Intel. On Amd will we get better results
this is gpu test lol
First
Thanks😁😁
First????....well...say something constructive then.
@@southbronxny5727 2019 will be the year of gamers.