We ruined the NBA's past with a video game (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- So @KofieWhy decided to start the NBA over from 1983 and accept every proposed rule change. It went... well... you'll see.
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WE ARE SO BACK
It's been so long, this one must be really bad, can't wait
kofieeee
lets gooo
I was legit rewatching Fumble Dimension playlist last night. The NBA gods are good 🙏
Woooo
In 1984, the NBA abolished the free throw, instead awarding automatic points. Somewhere in New Jersey, 12-year-old Shaquille O'Neal's heart began beating faster, and he didn't yet know why.
Is it a bad thing that I don’t get this
@@Capybara_ProductionsShaq was basically unstoppable on offense, with 1 major exception: he could not hit free throws at all. It was smarter from an "expected points" perspective to foul Shaq every time he would shoot, rather than let him easily dunk it over every other human being on the planet.
If he automatically got the points instead of having to shoot free throws, Shaq is probably the best player of all time by a big margin.
@@Psynapseful well I knew that, but thanks for clearing the context upq
Who would have guessed abolishing the salary cap and the luxury tax would benefit the Minnesota timberwolves
I’m sure it’s just me, but this gives me the feel of: “my parents got divorced, and suddenly my dad’s hot, young girlfriend becomes the family Kingpin” vibe.
The game can’t account for the actual amount of money the owners would have had to spend. You’d expect the richest owners own the big market teams, but that may not necessarily be true.
They don't spend a lot of money...
Maybe this is the alternate reality where Jordan does make it in the MLB.
Or in golf! Maybe MJ ends up becoming the 1st legendary black golfer BEFORE Tiger
Not with that busted arm
He does not even make it to the alt HOF 😢😅
Perhaps he gets surgery during his time in the minors?
Him AND his cargo shorts. ^^
People don't talk about him but I think Stanley Stanley was one of the most underappreciated players of his era.
It’s true he was great. I followed him from college where he attended College College.
Ah but you can’t forget his later coaching contributions to the Basketball city Basketballers
He was even greater in hockey, where he won the title twice!
After his career ended I think he got an office job and they made a video game about him
@@jonathanzuckerberg8850wasn’t expecting to see a stanley parable reference here
As a Sixers fan, it does not surprise me in the slightest that we were only able to turn a core of three of the greatest players to ever play the game into one championship…
I find it funny, crazy and sad that despite altering NBA History, The 80s Sixers are still third fiddle to the Lakers and Celtics even with MJ lol.
Embiid is ruining your franchise. He needs good influences around him
Granted one of them was older when the third was drafted.
I was surprised they even got 1!
It’s the Philadelphia way
The power of the 70-20 Scoreagami was strong enough to open a portal back to the Fumble Dimension. Praise be to Payton and McDaniels for this bounty 🙌
A true fan
It feels like the Claypool trade is the first manifestation of our instantiation of reality coming unzipped. Watch out people!
i tell friends about scorigami and they all slowly back away from me the same way
igami
The most powerful ritual-igami
The weird front-loading Rookie contracts is so hilarious. Its like you get all the money you'd make in your carrier up front.
Seeing Small Market teams like Charlotte and Portland just empty their wallets is hilarious because those contracts IRL would’ve tanked the franchise lol
“Isiah Thomas isn’t even the highest paid Isaiah on his own team!” LOL
Jamal Mashburn's 2 year/$320 million contract could have allowed him to just straight up buy the Trailblazers in his rookie season.
Magic Johnson joining The Magic feels like narcissism lmao
He wants to be the mascot! 😂
No, it was destiny.
It's so perfectly made that makes me think why it was never given an opportunity to actually happen lol
Well, he couldn't join the aids, so this was the next best thing.
The gathering of magic.
I like how he’s wearing hockey sweaters now because without MJ the NHL becomes more popular than the NBA.
The closest my Canucks will ever get to being in a Secret Base video.
Basketball also probably doesn’t become a global sport without MJ
@@raineob4996i'm holding out for a 7 hour, 5 part series made by Jon Bois on the Canucks
Canucks fan also. Loved how he broke out the stick and rink original!
Oh I didn't pick up on that at all lol! That's a good bit.
Nothing makes me happier than seeing the 30 minutes I'm about to spend in the Fumble Dimension is just part 1.
MJ haters might enjoy this part. As well as fans of Hakeem.
@@fortynights1513I’m here for all the shenanigans! Also MJ never won without Pippen! lol
@@cliptomaniac2562 True, but he did have arguably one of his more impressive playoff series with an out of prime Pippen:
In 1988's first round, Pippen was a rookie (not that he didn't make valuable contributions, but safe to argue that he wasn't at his prime instantly), and MJ averaged 45 per game on 56% from the field and I believe 63% true shooting against Cleveland (a team that had no Hall of Famers, but was a top five defense that year).
That's impressive and overlooked in my opinion.
Elam ending with no shot clock is the kind of madness I would love to see in real life
we're gonna get the basketball version of "welcome to the top of the 47th"
Apparently it was used for the 2020 All Star game, and has been adopted for the G League's overtime, and players really like it. I wouldn't mind it, at least for overtime. 5 minutes does seem kinda cramped. Makes the tip off really important. A target score, making sure every game ends in a walkoff, sounds fun.
@@GatsbyCioffi I'm familiar with the Elam Ending but I've never really thought about basketball without a shot clock as anything but worthless because of the "hold the ball until 0:02 no matter what time it is" strategy. But if there's no clock, it suddenly becomes more of a chess match than a game of speed where you truly appreciate every finer detail, especially in a culture where football is king. Or maybe it'd be boring, who's to know?
@coldsnap5742 I am aware of this, I've seen high school games end 6-4 and I think there was a girls playoff game that went to like 8 overtimes because whoever won the tip held the ball for the entire overtime period
It's one step removed from literally just playing HORSE
Seeing how MJ’s career just declined like that is a wonder. No MVP, one title… and with no team after 9 seasons? Just wow.
Just imagining the consequences for shoe fashion is devastating lol
We gotta get a Collapse on this Fumble Dimension's 76ers
@@SpaceDragonX783 Honestly I would for Ish and giggles for Secret Base to do that lol
mustve had the boom/bust feature on
I have good authority on me that this was the result of a vital oversight. If you were to check out Prospect MJ's attributes in 'Edit Player', you'll notice in the Vitals section that his 'Peak Start' and 'Peak End' ages are (and I swear I'm not making this up) 23 and 25 respectively. Yes, in the game he was destined to be in decline after the ripe-old age of 25.
I don't know if this was changed in a later update or something (I'm too lazy to go back and check), but it has been changed in 2K24, where the start of MJ's peak is at 25 YO and the end is at 31 YO.
“Isiah Thomas isn’t even the highest paid Isaiah on his own team!” That had me dying lol
I really do love how every fumble dimension opens with "what if we simulated this interesting sports thing?" But absolutely every time it becomes "damnit The Video Game is broken, nevermind...”
AAA Sports Simulators in a nutshell
Lakeshow Larry might be the most cursed concept yet, thank you Kofie!
The automatic free throw rule applies for gameplay, not for the simmed games, this was the case last year too
Least realistic part of this video is Flames fan Kofie and Canucks fan Kofie having a civil, easy to understand conversation
The Mountain Dew 3 Point Racks in 1984 is so funny to me
If you add up all of the players' salaries, I suspect they're equal to or greater than the NBA's revenue at the time. Which means the NBA might be in the red purely off of players' salaries. Forget simulating to 2023, the whole league will fold by 1998.
Which means Kofie is trapped in a fractured universe... forever. 😔
If you look at the quick clip of simming through the season, you can see they are legitmately millions in debts. It looked like 200 million in debt or some insane number? I don't know where teams are getting money from
@@fusionman29 i think it was from a sports funding package from the federation of socialist states as part of the alliance deal with the united states in their conflict against the water men.
@@fusionman29if the owners are bankrupt I'm assuming the city's would probably take over the teams 😂
Magic Johnson going to the Orlando Magic for their inaugural season is so good. So many LOLs in this episode
In this universe, he founded the team and named them after himself!
Anybody who’s truly played 2k the way he’s doing it knows Hakeem is THAT GUY! I’ve never simulated a bad Hakeem career
Olajuwon does everything so well and if he grew up in this era he probably would have developed a bit of a long-range shot like the Lopezes or Anthony Davis. Just enough to where if he, for some reason, can't get to the post he's not standing around 'being useless'.
"Hey Jamal Mashburn, the Portland Trailblazers just offered you a 2 year, $319 million contract, how do you feel?"
"Content"
Not gonna lie, I'm hoping for this to become a story of Stanley Stanley's rise to NBA superstardom.
- Potential Timberwolves dynasty
- Bird goes to the Lakers to play with Magic
- Magic Johnson joins the…..Magic
- Penny/Shaq in the Charlotte instead Orlando
- Jordan out of the league by 30 via Injury and being overworked
- Ridiculous Baseball like contracts
- Kofi is in different locations
I love this video immediately
Alt-MJ didn't have any actual injuries, though!
@@scottdebrestian9875 being overworked minds well be an injury. It literally tanked that man's potential!
He missed Tim Hardaway making 197M in a year at 17:05, several seasons before he noticed the rookie salaries bug.
"David Stern would be pissed" about the Cavs/T'wolves Finals got me laughing. So good to have this back!
That made me shudder just thinking about it, eww...
OK this is a pretty dope sim. My Sixers overworked MJ to the bone and now he’s out the NBA by the 90s. The end had me dying, those were baseball contracts NBA owners were giving out lol. Can’t wait until part 2, Kofie cooked up a good one.
15:20 somehow THE REMOVAL OF GOALTENDING doesn't even earn a mention here. I love this.
We've learned so far that Kofie is a:
-Mets fan
-Bengals fan
-Hurricanes fan
-Pistons fan
Idk if I've ever encountered such a chaotic set of team picks and I'm here for it.
and alt-Kofie is a Calgary Flames fan???
Yeah I just realized that watching, weird coming from a guy who from NC. Than again I can’t talk because I’m a Sixers and Lions fan lol.
Could be worse. Mine are:
Lakers/Heat/Bulls
Mariners
Miami Dolphins
(NHL team pending)
heat dolphins mets fan myself lol
I only watch football but I have two favorite teams: The 49ers and Whoever's playing the Eagles that week
Jordan’s overall went down probably because of the boom or bust system. Every player has a percentage of becoming great, a bust, or average. You can see it in the edit player screen.
That shouldn’t be implemented even slightly to hof players Imo wtfff
i'd guess that they just edited his peak end age to be very early
@@Shawn-Leider I think you can turn it off if you like maybe? But even then it’s kinda cool because it would be boring if you drafted Jordan and he became great every time. One time I drafted Lebron and his career arc was basically Ben Simmons, pretty good for the first few seasons but fell off a cliff quick.
The most unrealistic part of this episode is the Timberwolves having a competent front office that is able to construct a championship roster
To be clear: I'm a Wolves fan and it pains me to say this 😭
😂 but really 🥲
HANG THE BANNER.
Back to Back playin champs tho :)
I’m a T-Wolves fan and you know what I have no argument whatsoever that this ain’t facts…😂
Also the mid 80's Clippers making a conference final.
I'm glad they made the sim so realistic, for example, if I were to pick any team to blow a 3-0 finals lead it would absolutely, 100% be Cleveland
They really said "run it back", and I'm here for it
This really is the first FD to make me feel like I've slipped and isekaied into some extremely broken parallel universe.
I love this so much, thanks Kofie!
P.S. After adjusting for inflation, Fumble Shaq made the equivalent of $316 million on his 1993 rookie deal.
Austin $316,000,000
The league will implode if TV ever started trailing off in that reality. In this reality the RSNs having a conniption is a problem but not a deathblow... yet.
I don’t think the NBA is too worried about money right now. The RSN situation is bad, but I think it’ll mostly get figured out in the next few years and the current model will be mostly extinct. Regardless, they’re about to negotiate an obscene TV deal. That’s why it’s so funny to me when I see ppl overreact to every big contract being signed now. The mid level exception is gonna be nearing $20M by 2029-2030. It’s just gonna be craziness.
I lowkey wish they didn’t agree to smooth the cap just for the chaos factor. It’d be hilarious if the cap went from like 142-144M in 24-25 to 180-185M in 25-26 😂. Some of the funniest things happened due to not smoothing the last TV deal.
Fumble Shaq is such a fun character name, I love him
"there was nothing added to NBA 2K that caught my attention"
I felt this
Kofie is single handedly keeping the NHL jersey sales alive.
Him and the popular UA-camr “The Hockey Guy”
Don’t forget about Shannon!
@@JWex-jy7sk"welcome back"
16:58 At least we made the Finals, I guess
19:50 Genius scriptwriting
21:47 That's So Cleveland!
22:12 But what if a lottery team owns multiple 1st-round picks or what if there's a lottery team that doesn't own their 1st-round pick?, I can imagine those lottery teams that owe picks to other teams may want to intentionally lose the first game of the lottery tournament, just so that their high pick doesn't go to another team.
27:12 Also known as baseball
Great point, this is why while a great idea it will never work IRL.
Just make every lottery pick top 2 protected.
@@jugglerjames6148 If we did that it would enrage the teams that traded away big stars for unprotected picks. Blazers just traded Dame away for an unprotected 2029 pick that by then might end up being a #1 pick. That would fix the tournament to play it for just top 2 picks though.
so so happy that kofie is doing more narrative stuff in fumble dimension. the mariners fumble dimension is far and away my favourite solely because of the alternate haunted hat storyline. really cool stuff
"We apologize for the crimes against basketball you're about to see"\
You're already playing NBA2k so it's expected.
In the early days of the franchise, someone had proposed that the Magic trade their name to the Lakers in exchange for LA's. Orlando has all the lakes, and LA had Magic. The Fumble version makes more sense, though.
17:11 This is a certified Fumble Dimensions classic
Why was Shaq eligible for the 92 draft? Shouldn't he have had to wait an extra year for the four-year-out-of-high-school rule?
I bet legend players will always at the lastest, be put in the draft they had in real life, even if the sim rules say they shouldn't.
The 4 year rule came up multiple times during this sim. IIRC it also affected Dwight Howard.
I was thinking it had been way too long since I saw a new Fumble Dimension, and now this instant classic comes out! Kofie is the Secret Base MVP.
I'm not sure what's more cursed. Larry Bird in a Lakers jersey or Magic Johnson playing for the Orlando Magic.
Definitely Bird on the Lakers 😂
You leaving out the utter destruction of Michael Jordan in the Sixers?
@@leetorry as a Sixers fan, there is absolutely nothing cursed about this. Everything the franchise touches turns to dust. All is as it should be.
kofie is really thriving in this role you love to see it
The story telling outside of the sim is fantastic. Keep it up.
Also the sim is low key depressing lol
The way I am so invested right now!!! I’m struggling with Part 2 not being out yet!
I kind of dig the "Elam" ending thing... setting a set score to win adds some drama... and ensures you CAN'T just run the clock as long as you can... it makes you NEED to score. I like that.
Bruh what Minnesota sweep!? In basketball of all things!?
I take it. LEEEETS GOOOOOO! I'm so excited.
Time machine modes get all of us. I'm honestly tempted by Out of the Park Baseball's option to start in 1908 or whatever, and just rewrite the history of baseball. Early desegregation, and controlling where and when the league expands sounds like SO MUCH FUN, I could almost excuse the fact that it's a manager sim, and the games are painfully boring to watch!
I wanna live in the timeline where Max Manning is the guy that breaks the color barrier by signing with the Tigers in 1939
Kofie you aren’t allowed to come home I need to watch consistently winning Minnesota sports for the rest of my life
can't wait to hear about michael jordan on 'let's remember some guys' in 30 years
The part with all the insane contracts had me rolling 😂😂
'David Stern would be pissed." - lmao
I’m so excited for more of this series!! I especially think the lottery team tournament is interesting, and the mysterious MJ fall off is a good prompt for some storyline… 👁️👁️
Jordan going to Shanghai Sharks is wild
Larry Bird leaving the Celtics to join Magic Johnson and the Lakers is extremely cursed
The scoring dip from no shot clock to the 30 second clock is really interesting. My guess is the AI is reacting to the shot clock by running more stallball to get to the shot clock expiring vs. just freeflowing without it.
25:17 - So I remember the anachronistically-high rookie deals thing being an issue that was actually patched within a month of 2K23's release, but I guess the 2K never thought to extend it to when the salary cap & luxury tax are disabled. Whoops!
i am a simple woman. i see a new Fumble Dimension episode, i click on it, and i eagerly await part two while watching it three more times
You're just a dude in a dress, riiiiight? 😅
@@DanArnets1492 i am going to tear you asunder if you so much as insinuate that i am not what i say i am
@@feartheb33k33p3r - That's a very masculine reply...
@@DanArnets1492 Mind your own business
@@lexingtonbrython1897 - STFU, guy, lie less to yourself
Robert Horry getting paid 50 million dollars was hilarious considering that is basically what Jokic is making right now, then Kofie said Shaq was getting paid 170 million in a year in 1993 money. How has the league not gone bankrupt
This fumble dimension was such a blast to be a part of. I forgot about how crazy the league got with no salary cap. It went INSANE. The contracts made absolutely zero sense.
this is like Isiah Thomas telling people how the NBA really happened to ruin Jordan's legacy but he changed the star of the show to Olajuwon instead of himself so people didn't figure out he's lying
How great is it that Shaq and Penny ended up in the same team again, just a different one that in the real time line :D.
I created an HBCU dynasty in 1983, Hakeem Olujwon retired in 2006 and i drafted him with the 2nd pick. And i won 5 championships with him. He is better than Jordan in this game. I had to take a screenshot of that lol and i was thinking of cutting him 5 years prior but he lasted. I also realized it seems like they give some players kids. I did some research like i drafted Dennis Rodman Jr in 2001. And maybe its a name generator coincidence
I dunno what I like more
The running gag
Or the fumble dimension's antics turning everything on its head more than ever before
I was not ready for Stanley Stanley
25:33 My favorite part of the video with all of that contract explaining lol
A lot of the weird progression comes down to the default sliders causing really weird playing tendencies and growth scales. That's why there are so many discussions about slider settings for myNBA on operation sports and the like.
The full sleeve tattoos in 1984 from Mitch Blake is legendary
I laughed out loud like a maniac at 17:10 perfect timing and editing there.
Yo, this is absolutely amazing! This feature definitely caught my eye but I never thought of doing this on it! I'm just glad the Cavs one a 'chip on the Sim! Can't wait for part 2!
The Golf episode is underrated. You all do great work.
I wish I could find the first keyboard track they played in the golf video. That video doesn’t list music used.
NBA 2K needs to be examined academically. From the body scans, the microtransactions, influencer marketing, to how it grew the nbas popularity, to how fans perceive basketball and talk about basketball, it's a very very interesting video game that has actually had a social effect on sports fans. There's a whole generation of people who play the game more than watching the sport
Did one of the programmers have a grudge against the Jordan Bulls era and snuck in a bit of malicious code to sabotage Jordan in this mode?
Jordan’s prime and decline ages has to be messed up.
Mark Turmell continuing his vendetta against the Bulls
Time machine is what all sports video game fans want.
"Players in the lottery tournament don't have an incentive"
Every player on a losing team is playing for his job. It's one of the unwritten rules of sports. Their incentive is to put good things on tape.
Eh, that sounds great - but, let's be real, no one would care about the tape from the draft games, it'd be about all the actual tape that players already have out there.
Even if players 'gave a damn' about those games, they're still not going to take real risks in them or anything. I mean, injuring multiple players for just #1 overall pick... probably not an ideal strategy. I'd expect just a little more 'give a damn' than all-star games.
Jordan burning out so hard is amazing
There's something oddly charming about Kofie's complete disinterest in emoting while acting in extended dramatic scenes.
Money Laundering in action 26:34
Started laughing so hard I cried when you got to the salaries and the effects of rookie deals on free agency
Great stuff. Kofie sketches are constantly getting more and more hilariouser :)
this is amazing, can't wait for the multiverse to continue unraveling in part 2
so hyped for this one, the streams were so fun
Love the vids. To clarify, If a foul is on the ground, it doesn’t count as a shooting foul. So no automatic free throws.
I did something similar in 2K19. Once it had the shot clock be for 1 minute. Suddenly every game was ending with scores like 50-60 at most...
That Mugsy iso was hilarious.
Jordan backing up Sidney Moncrief is wild!!!
Definitely into seeing how wild this one goes. We really are going Across the Fumble-verse this time.
Also, please tell me that Kofie O'Hara will be wearing a Bruins jersey.
Who knew simming a 2k game would result in Kofie getting lost in another dimension
I love how the most unrealistic thing about this video and the previous one is the 76ers actually being consistently successful.
*reads video title*
wait wtf why
*sees thumbnail of Michael Jordan on the Sixers*
this is a great idea.
So hype for the rest of this!!
We may have killed MJ but we still got a ring! WORTH. CLAP YOUR HANDS EVERYBODY FOR PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
How I wish you could do this stuff with Pro Cycling Manager, specially when it comes to historical fiction and changing the rules
What if you change races to 30 6-rider teams? What if you ban bike changes and force teams to repair bikes? What if you give crazy bonus seconds to the top stage finishers?
When Secret Base uploads on your birthday, it’s always fun!
Question I have that would make my day if Secret Base answered it:
I really enjoy listening to the background music that you use in your videos, and out of curiosity what music tracks were the background for most of the Adam Dunn Dorktown video from 2018 or so?
And which music track was the first track at the very beginning of the Golf course Fumble dimension?
I have wanted to hear both tracks clean for years, haven’t found either one, and neither of those videos list the music in them anywhere to my knowledge (if they do, feel free to let me know).
Any event, cheers to a new Fumble Dimension!
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday 🎁🎊🎂🎉
But who got Sam Bowie??
When you said there was a Cavs vs T-Wolves finals rematch, I could hear David Stern violently vomiting in his grave.