Fredrik Thordendal Demo - Secrets of the Unknown

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  • Опубліковано 30 тра 2009
  • A neat little demo Fredrik made.

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  • @Purkinje90
    @Purkinje90 14 років тому +24

    The track itself isn't on Sol Niger Within, but there certainly are major influences present in this song.
    I hope Fredrik does another Special Defects album!

    • @Heliosphan33
      @Heliosphan33 Рік тому +4

      He’s now built a studio and he’s working on a new solo album.

  • @Purkinje90
    @Purkinje90 15 років тому +33

    What's so amazing is that fredrik is so consistent in the quality of his music. He is such a talented guitarist!

  • @schpleeb
    @schpleeb 9 років тому +60

    that face is just the perfect accompaniment for this

    • @DeathBringer769
      @DeathBringer769 4 роки тому

      It's a classic Meshuggah face, lol. You see their singer do it all the time on stage too :D

    • @MaXaNoMaLoUs
      @MaXaNoMaLoUs 4 роки тому +2

      schpleeb it’s like the pained look of being possessed haha

    • @MrJackrockerman
      @MrJackrockerman 4 роки тому

      Lol 👍👍😂

    • @silvercloud1641
      @silvercloud1641 2 місяці тому

      🗿

  • @pechichemena
    @pechichemena 14 років тому +6

    fredrik totally nailed the holdsworth tone.. awesome!

  • @LukamusPrime
    @LukamusPrime 13 років тому +29

    Arguably one of the greatest and underrated musicians of our time... Thank you so very much for this upload.
    Peace..

    • @MaXaNoMaLoUs
      @MaXaNoMaLoUs 6 років тому +6

      Luke Hultgren influenced by the Most underrated musician, Allan Holdsworth who sadly died broke, Eddie Van Halen was influenced by Holdsworth and even played with him in 85' and was devoured whole by Holdsworth lol I wish EVH could have paid for his funeral. Whatevs, and the world keeps turning.

  • @Galactu5
    @Galactu5 11 років тому +122

    I don't see the problem with how similar this sounds to Holdsworth material. After all, when you are learning any musical genre, it's necessary to make your own works in the style of others. Look at classical composers for example and see how they learned. Do you think that they just sprout forth with masterpieces like Clair de Lune without having learned other masters works? Holdsworth is a master, he deserves to be studied rigorously. I'm tired of Eric Clapton clones, give me Allan and Fredrik

    • @robertdukarm2578
      @robertdukarm2578 6 років тому +19

      I don't think people understand how hard people try to sound like this and it shows how truly great Fredrick is.

    • @EgoShredder
      @EgoShredder 3 роки тому +7

      @BooBobly So hard that to date nobody has ever genuinely done so. The very best examples are just providing a likeness and no more. Allan was a one off with his own chord and scale system, and he took the knowledge of that with him to the next world. We can only stand and marvel at what he created.

    • @andym28
      @andym28 3 роки тому +8

      His dad was mates with Holdsworth apparantly.

    • @franzsperginand113
      @franzsperginand113 2 роки тому +5

      I don't think most people care either. I think most people who make a big deal out of it are just desperate to show other people that they know who Houldsworth is.

    • @pivit7816
      @pivit7816 Рік тому

      Literally one of his biggest influences lol

  • @UgE
    @UgE 14 років тому +11

    Incredible! Fredrik has a very unique style. Really good guitarist as musician.

  • @jtaylor477
    @jtaylor477 13 років тому +17

    this is a stunning piece of music, fred's solo work should be made a bigger deal of!

  • @zakktothefuture
    @zakktothefuture 13 років тому +31

    i just like to imagine that the sound of the lead guitar is coming from his mouth in the photo

    • @jakeGE
      @jakeGE 4 роки тому +5

      considering he used a frequently used a midi breath controller it basically was

    • @williamcozart8158
      @williamcozart8158 3 роки тому +2

      You broke the cipher! Nine years ago, Mr @z s, by imagining the lead guitar sounds coming out of Fred's mouth you figured out that Fredrik Thordendal's solos on Secrets of the Unknown demo were an ALIEN LANGUAGE!!!! Fredrik was giving us clues, or using subliminal messages through the lead lines that made you think about the sound coming from his mouth. The language of Thordendal's guitar string worshiping species, from the planet... uh, I don't know some far off alien planet, or some exotic moon somewhere. Fred comes from a species who speak with their guitars, he's actually considered a shitty speaker by his fellow aliens standards, he sucks at guitar compared to them, they'd blow you the fuck away if you ever heard their great-and-poweful species' equivalent of say, Buckethead.
      I know this whole thing i'm doing here is not that funny but I wanted to keep it going more, I just ran out of ideas so I can't. I'm baked and sleep deprived, that's my excuse.

    • @williamcozart8158
      @williamcozart8158 3 роки тому +1

      I was gonna say that on Fredrik's home planet they grow another guitar string every decade or so, and fred is still a youngun, and he's a lady, on his planet. Lol IDK, I was also gonna ask if in the 9 years since you discovered the Thordendal alien conspiracy by OPing this comment if aliens had contacted you and like, you know, probed you with a guitar... anally?

    • @williamcozart8158
      @williamcozart8158 3 роки тому

      I sure hope all this made at least some sense, I'm so high I can't really tell.
      Thanks for reading.

    • @zakktothefuture
      @zakktothefuture 3 роки тому +2

      @@williamcozart8158 bruh that comment was from like 9 years ago. Im sure I was high then but i forgot this track existed until now. Thanks for the reminder.

  • @patchlord2112
    @patchlord2112 Рік тому +3

    Fredrik is definitely a Holdsworth and and a fusion influenced guitar player for sure ....sounds fantastic!

  • @Thargellor2
    @Thargellor2 10 років тому +27

    On the picture he looks exactly like Terry Gilliam from Monty Pythons.
    Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!

  • @Shreddah
    @Shreddah 15 років тому +14

    Fredrik used to have a pretty amazing tone back in the days, kinda miss it.

  • @ondrom1685
    @ondrom1685 9 років тому +13

    I love his solos

  • @jumborat12
    @jumborat12 8 років тому +69

    that unknown was the living Legend Allan Holdsworth 💪

    • @deluge71
      @deluge71 8 років тому +4

      +jumborat12 Was just going to post a comment to this effect, but you beat me to the punch. :)

    • @Star_Sn1per
      @Star_Sn1per 8 років тому +16

      Allan Holdsworth abducted by aliens = Fredrik thordendal

    • @awertyuiop8711
      @awertyuiop8711 7 років тому +6

      LOL Alien Holdsworth!!

    • @ricardillapujagut8073
      @ricardillapujagut8073 7 років тому +9

      Still a legend, not living anymore though...

    • @ap06476
      @ap06476 5 років тому +4

      Maybe look up "Zarabeth" from the album "Wardenclyffe Tower".

  • @sbville
    @sbville 13 років тому +3

    The ending melody is clearly from Tathagata, the final part of Sol Niger Within. Don't know if anyone said this already though.

  • @elarchenemy
    @elarchenemy 14 років тому +5

    one of the best guitar tones ever. perfection

  • @santibeis
    @santibeis 14 років тому +4

    it would be cool to listen this man and holdsworth on a fantastic jam

  • @44eelz
    @44eelz 14 років тому +6

    he solos beautifully

    • @koalamusic812
      @koalamusic812 Рік тому

      some of his solos in meshugahh kinda sound metal and jazzy. and its awesome

  • @onthevirg
    @onthevirg 14 років тому +5

    Fredrik would be a fool not to do another solo album! This may be just a demo, but imagine more of this gold meticulously written out for a full album!

  • @MaXaNoMaLoUs
    @MaXaNoMaLoUs 15 років тому +6

    Ive been waiting almost 10 years to hear this... !!!this is great, awesome chords, holdsworth infuence FO SHO

  • @LocalCoot
    @LocalCoot Рік тому +1

    That's some smooth joyriding music.

  • @revjaymz
    @revjaymz 12 років тому +6

    This sounds like a Mats/Morgan piece with Fredrik shreddin' the 8 string! Beautiful brutality!!

  • @The_Kevinist
    @The_Kevinist 8 років тому +24

    Allan Holdsworth and Fredrik Thordendal needs to do a collab together, it'd be out of this world
    For those who'd doubt, i know it accounts for nothing, but i once saw on Ron Jarzombek's site a pic of him(Ron) along with Allan
    I know it could turn to reality AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN!

    • @The_Kevinist
      @The_Kevinist 8 років тому +5

      Update: listening to it again since it's so eargasm inducing... Even the drum parts sounds like Chad Wackerman haha

    • @alilacherruse
      @alilacherruse 7 років тому +1

      Chris Pouliot, Those Drums sound Wackermanish to me as well.

    • @nishadnadkarni7874
      @nishadnadkarni7874 7 років тому +2

      Chris Pouliot Allan Holdsworth is one of Frederik's influences so that would be cool.

    • @jamespeterson4275
      @jamespeterson4275 7 років тому +27

      Now it's not possible... :(
      Rest in Peace Allan Holdsworth

    • @tarkenton3895
      @tarkenton3895 5 років тому +2

      It's a damn shame it never will now. Fredrik has one hell of a tasteful lead voice, and really carries on the legacy.

  • @MathematicsCapital1
    @MathematicsCapital1 9 років тому +10

    Great playing
    This was the sound of the late 70's
    Fan of Allan Holdsworth

  • @MaXaNoMaLoUs
    @MaXaNoMaLoUs 14 років тому +10

    Try to find the song 4.15 Bradford Executive, I think its on the Album called "SAND" by ALLAN HOLDSWORTH

  • @fromthistexasbreath
    @fromthistexasbreath 14 років тому +1

    i love that this video is bringing together all the fusion/metal nerds, and lacks the negativity and ignorance that we all know is so rampant on youtube. thumbs up to all you guys!

  • @matounet45
    @matounet45 Рік тому +1

    Love this sound absolutly Holdworth influence truely magic

  • @GJones462-2W1
    @GJones462-2W1 13 років тому +1

    That tone is just pure heaven. Just brilliant!

  • @keloidformer
    @keloidformer 14 років тому +3

    Most of this (notes and sound) sound like it was inspired by Holdsworth's Metal Fatigue-are prog rock. We all know (from FT himself, that AH is a major influence, in terms of style - more than a coincidental nod...
    Its great of course, but frankly, I miss the implied chaos of SNW - which was mind-blowing... This just seems like Frederik phoning in a circa 90's prog album...

  • @EMAHGERD
    @EMAHGERD 11 років тому

    This is beautiful!

  • @davetorres3906
    @davetorres3906 6 років тому +9

    Sublevels at the end

  • @IMHOLUKE
    @IMHOLUKE 4 роки тому +11

    Theres been a few times in my life where music came out, and no one ever matched it again. Fred Thordendal's solo career is like that, even Meshuggah somehow pales in comparison. I cant name a single of the big "progressive metal" bands on tour right now who take you this far outside of planet earth. Im referring to bands like Periphery, Born of OSiris, etc not classic prog acts that are still going

  • @vargulv
    @vargulv 13 років тому +8

    Fredrik should do more solos on meshuggah, just like on None and Destroy Erase Improve.

  • @kevinmoreal5200
    @kevinmoreal5200 8 років тому +1

    awesome song, so atmospheric and epic

  • @Davinator61
    @Davinator61 12 років тому

    The beauty of this Fusional Endeavor never ceases to amaze me, every time I Freaking HEAR IT!

  • @IrisM
    @IrisM 8 років тому +2

    Happy Birthday! Gratulerer med dagen Fredrik! :)

  • @toxicity28
    @toxicity28 15 років тому +2

    im loving this thordendal fusion work,, its very holdsworth ,bill connors esque....im loving the fuck out of this

  • @beenmicrophone5817
    @beenmicrophone5817 2 роки тому

    this is effing amazing

  • @brwnie00
    @brwnie00 13 років тому +1

    Never heard this tune before... It is really really Holdsworth-ish, even the synth sounds. Cool.

  • @Bren28
    @Bren28 15 років тому

    Excellent post

  • @skifihls6858
    @skifihls6858 5 місяців тому

    Reminds me of snes era JRPG game soundtracks. Excellent stuff.

  • @jimhealey9566
    @jimhealey9566 9 місяців тому

    Totally agree - sure it sounds like him but dude had his thing and it is most certainly beautiful

  • @elevenAD
    @elevenAD 15 років тому +5

    amazing! still waiting to hear something from marten?

  • @IceReverie
    @IceReverie 13 років тому

    This kicks ass!! I'm mad I didn't discover this sooner! \m/

  • @ThrashingBastardHell
    @ThrashingBastardHell 14 років тому +2

    This is GOOD Music.

  • @LorenzKamo
    @LorenzKamo 13 років тому

    I love this

  • @Bassiturra
    @Bassiturra 13 років тому +6

    Allan Holdsworth influence, Fredrik is amazing!

  • @UnrealNumina
    @UnrealNumina 14 років тому

    Excellent picture choice.

  • @sderoij
    @sderoij 13 років тому +1

    This is just one reason why I love the metal scene, the people aren't so closeminded and make music they like, not music that follows the rules. There are no rules.

  • @MrBabble68
    @MrBabble68 13 років тому +3

    You can really hear that Fredrik is inspired by Allan Holdsworth in this one

  • @joenic2791
    @joenic2791 14 років тому

    I loved ChimpSpanner!! Great melodies and skill. Thanks for the referral friend

  • @22fret
    @22fret 12 років тому

    Can it get any better? I just can't stop listening to it over and over again. This is what I'd call complete musicianship...

  • @BlessureK
    @BlessureK 13 років тому +2

    @EB1089 Yeah I read in Guitar World (i think it was) of an interview with him that he said he was brought up with jazz because his dad listened to it. A lot of people try to over analyze Meshuggah's music by saying they use weird meters and stuff but really their music isn't exactly "musical". They really break the rules of music and do their own thing, its just crazy how it all works out in the end. In my opinion that is true uniqueness, where most bands really suffer from copycat techniques

  • @ryothk1219
    @ryothk1219 5 років тому +1

    I like this cover art.

  • @apparatus_official
    @apparatus_official 9 років тому

    So good .......Amazin

  • @gutxoo
    @gutxoo 14 років тому

    Impresionante!!

  • @Alsophocuss
    @Alsophocuss 14 років тому

    Ahhh...thataggatha at the end. Awesome.

  • @jacobtapianieto9655
    @jacobtapianieto9655 Рік тому

    Very lovely prog/jazz-fusion tribute to Holdsworth!! I like to imagine the end of "Sublevels" as something inspired by Allan's "Material (Un)real".

  • @Pitacle2009
    @Pitacle2009 14 років тому +3

    @Purkinje90 Actually, Fredrik Thordendal is working on a new solo album. If you search for Fredrik Thordendal on youtube, you will find a channel that has this name : it is his. You'll see that he's in the recording process.
    What a good news ! Is'nt it ?

    • @DC33879
      @DC33879 6 років тому +2

      Péjoraman 7 years later...

  • @asikere
    @asikere 14 років тому

    woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow... YEAH!!!! IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love it

  • @warjeffeagle
    @warjeffeagle 14 років тому

    @mvunit3 Lucky for you, and everyone else, he is releasing another solo album! He's recording it right now. I can't wait!!!!!! It can't get here soon enough.

  • @MegaArtoO
    @MegaArtoO 13 років тому

    it kicks ass : o

  • @luketube8351
    @luketube8351 9 років тому +11

    Holdsworthy! I actually like this a little more too... My apologies Allan...

    • @Nightmaroid
      @Nightmaroid 8 років тому +8

      +luketube Me too! Has this "Holdsworth's evil twin from hell" vibe I just can't get enough. Fredrik's so much more than a riff writer and performer.

    • @MellonVegan
      @MellonVegan 8 років тому +8

      +Nightmaroid I'd also say that Fredrik tends to be a bit more "polished" in his writing, if that makes sense. As in Allan tends to go really crazy for extended periods of time, seemingly leaving all boundaries behind, which is great in and of itself but with Fredrik's writing I think it fits better into whatever overall concept a song might have. I found a couple guys here and there emulating his style and felt like this about some of them. It's a bit like Allan was the pioneer, the guy who had the ideas and went to new places and now others pick that up and keep refining it.

    • @MaXaNoMaLoUs
      @MaXaNoMaLoUs 6 років тому +2

      luketube you should listen to Allan Holdsworth's song "Low Levels, High Stakes" his solo is very "in" the lines, very emotional and showcasing how much he really did know about theory. I feel when Allan would play "out" he was really speaking his own language at that point, like real jazz musicians;) RIP the Master.
      Thordendal is my all time Holdsworth influenced guitar player besides
      Nico Stufano. But No one has brought the Heavy like Meshuggah

  • @alexeast9212
    @alexeast9212 8 років тому +1

    goosebumps

  • @mikor7878
    @mikor7878 15 років тому

    good news man , thank you very much.

  • @MetalFatigued
    @MetalFatigued 13 років тому +5

    How Holdsworth does this sound?? Great stuff

  • @NoNo-sv2fo
    @NoNo-sv2fo 2 роки тому +1

    If I didn't know any better I'd swear this is Sir Holdsworth playing metal haha! Trying to play like Allan is fucking impossible!

  • @awertyuiop8711
    @awertyuiop8711 7 років тому +16

    9:06 Sublevels

    • @tobytruman33
      @tobytruman33 7 років тому

      Hahaha yes!

    • @GriniteGaming
      @GriniteGaming 7 років тому +5

      Which again is from the outro of Allan Holdsworth's Material Real!

    • @awertyuiop8711
      @awertyuiop8711 7 років тому

      Oskar Oh really?! Damn, I'm searching it right now!

    • @benceabraham4909
      @benceabraham4909 5 років тому +1

      not only Sublevels and this...that's his signature melody :D

    • @U2SaxFan
      @U2SaxFan 5 років тому +2

      It also sounds like Tathagata (the ending of Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects' Sol Niger Within album).

  • @pedjazoo
    @pedjazoo 15 років тому

    Reminded me on Steve Vai's 'Passion and Warfare' album. Great stuff!

  • @goalnick
    @goalnick 14 років тому +2

    Big Allan Holdsworth influence....I love it. wish I knew where to buy this if it is indeed available.

  • @freejazzfree
    @freejazzfree 14 років тому

    absolutely!

  • @sixfingr
    @sixfingr 6 років тому +2

    This is really nicely done. Please continue the legacy (side project?) with some great guys like Anthony Crawford, Skulli or Jimmy Johnson and Husband, Coliaiuta or Wackerman.

  • @LarsBauer74
    @LarsBauer74 14 років тому +1

    Great stuff !!! Anybody know if this track was ever released on an album or can be purchased as an mp3?

  • @elarchenemy
    @elarchenemy 14 років тому

    i listen to this everyday, 333 times

  • @Purkinje90
    @Purkinje90 14 років тому

    @Pitacle2009 I know! I found that out a few weeks ago.
    I'm SOOO excited for it.

  • @soittotaiteilija
    @soittotaiteilija 14 років тому +1

    Bleed is in a major key.

  • @joenic2791
    @joenic2791 14 років тому +1

    DAMN cool indeed, one of the best live as well with Meshuggah. Anyone heard the solo album by Tosin Abasi? He calls himself Animals as Leaders, pretty awesome stuff

  • @Purkinje90
    @Purkinje90 15 років тому +1

    This guy is amazing. I wish I knew what this was from.

  • @U2SaxFan
    @U2SaxFan 13 років тому +2

    Amazing demo. Ending kind of sounds like the ending of Sub Levels from Meshuggah's Destroy Erase Improve.

    • @jacobtapianieto9655
      @jacobtapianieto9655 Рік тому

      The chord sequence is exactly the same used in that song. Makes me remember to the ending of Allan Holdsworth's "Material Real".

  • @warjeffeagle
    @warjeffeagle 14 років тому

    @mvunit3 No problem, always glad to turn a fellow fan onto good music, new artists, etc. I think he is recording it with 2 different drummers as well. Dirk Verbeuren from Soilwork and I wanna say Morgan Agren again too. I may be wrong, but I think that's right. You can actually read some studio updates from Verbeuren somewhere (google it), where he talks about how he and Fredrik jammed out for hours, just doing improv drum patterns for Fredrik to play on top of. Should be badass. Can't wait!

  • @ThatGuy1154
    @ThatGuy1154 13 років тому +3

    After hearing this song, I felt myself feeling bad for the fact that deaf people will never be able to hear such musicianship.

    • @marcissobadass
      @marcissobadass 6 років тому +1

      Not true, they can feel it vibrationally through their hands and body. I have played guitar for deaf people and have seen them smile ear to ear when they placed their hands on my acoustic guitar and felt it. Badass shit man!

  • @Sissling
    @Sissling 5 років тому +1

    Fedt at Høre thordendal i den sammanhæng :-)

  • @jopezu
    @jopezu Рік тому

    had the guitar lick from 0:26 to 0:36 stuck on repeat in my head for months before remembering it was on this song.

  • @onthevirg
    @onthevirg 14 років тому +2

    yeah, I mean I'm sure he's studied holdsworth's work extensively. Also holdsworth openly describes the sorts of scales and chords he prefers, and I bet fredrik understands exactly how to recreate his technique. at the same time I find it strange that sometimes fredrik has incredibly simplistic solos, that are like 1 or two notes repeated (especially live) despite that, they still work with meshuggah stuff hehe.

  • @XIPH0S707
    @XIPH0S707 13 років тому +1

    @suspect157 Chris Poland is no different. He was also hugely influenced by Holdsworth. Chris is an amazing musician when it comes to guitar, especially jazz fusion guitar. So if a guy like Chris Poland with such a distinctive style tone and diversity can't understand theory, I understand why someone equally talented ( like Fredrik ) by all rights would not be able to either. His ears make the sense he is a learner by ear, as am I, as is chris poland. It's a wonderful gift really.

  • @RFGuitarist
    @RFGuitarist 12 років тому

    @blackdeathgrind I'd buy it for sure, those two are musical geniuses!

  • @int_enc
    @int_enc 4 роки тому +3

    3:32 girl from ipanema motive...

  • @ofulm
    @ofulm 14 років тому +1

    This is definately Special Defects. Listen to the 9:07 part. Heard it on Sol Niger Within, no?

  • @22fret
    @22fret 12 років тому

    @ChicorelliC It's also in "Sublevels" from the "Destroy Erase Improve"- Album

  • @altrite
    @altrite 14 років тому

    dude, who DOESN'T love that little riff? haha

  • @fatsuperfly
    @fatsuperfly 14 років тому

    wish i could make my music sound this good, Fredrik is God!!!!

  • @Alejandro4891
    @Alejandro4891 15 років тому +1

    wow this is amazing, thank you for uploading this and if you have more please upload it. also can u send me the file if u have it?

  • @bobsondugnutt7526
    @bobsondugnutt7526 5 років тому

    I've always liked this. I wish there was a 250kb/s or higher res

  • @LizardIIKing
    @LizardIIKing 14 років тому

    @onthevirg
    Yes! Those dudes tear it up. I love their "Simpsons" inspired cover. Awesome stuff

  • @warjeffeagle
    @warjeffeagle 13 років тому

    @needlearmor Hell yeah! War Damn Eagle right back at ya! I can't believe theres another Auburn guy that likes Fredrik. My all time favorite band is Meshuggah hands down, and there's not even close 2nd. You dont find many people with such good music taste down on the Plains. Its mostly crappy radio rock and country. Cam 4 Heisman ;-)

  • @fromthistexasbreath
    @fromthistexasbreath 14 років тому

    @Power2theFlyingV haha, wow. i've always heard holdsworth in his playing, but that is probably the best way to put it.

  • @fatsuperfly
    @fatsuperfly 14 років тому +1

    yeah its kind of mind boggling when i hear him say he doesnt know music theory.i guess some people are just naturally gifted

  • @nipulkradmsinatagras8293
    @nipulkradmsinatagras8293 Рік тому

    *Fredrik Thordendal eats a lot of electronic abacus for breakfast.*

  • @Purkinje90
    @Purkinje90 14 років тому

    seconded.

  • @ScorpWriter
    @ScorpWriter 13 років тому

    @LokiLasher hey, you are no poser at all no one's saying that! Yngwie isn't a bad word either, but in this era, using Yng, is like....like using the word Thou, hahaha...very dated and old...I'm glad you're trying to expand your view and hopefully, leave those old fellas in the back part of our guitar music museum, hehehe....Some Names you'd love to check are Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan, Fabrizio Leo, Prashant Aswani...fusion is today's standard pretty much...cheers! PD Holdsworth's older than Yng