Whoa! This is actually very interesting to see the two gallery screens side by side. Other folks have noticed the blacks are more of a deep blue color on the paper pro. So if was surprising to see proper blues and blacks on the old device. I've heard that old device has a lot of flicker, compared to the new screen, something about a controller chip needing some improvement.
I should point out that on the old device blacks did look blue if the Dark Enhancement was set to zero. But I set it to 15, which solved that problem without creating any additional issues (e.g. images that appeared too dark).
Another helpful video, thanks. Just a thought: if your camera supports it, it would be worth setting it to manual exposure and manual white balance, to ensure it doesn’t dynamically adjust.
This clears up a lot of confusion! There's a noticeable difference with contrast modes, and Kaleido 3 needs 50% brightness on the Boox to match (many of us raise the brightness like that at the cost of battery life). It looks like RM has a refined color reproduction at the cost of number of colors indeed! Wonder if other companies have renewed interest in the panel (or a generic version of it at least) and take another stab at it. BSR is gonna be a real pain to design for it.
I've been thinking about that. It's going to be hard for some of the competitors to use Gallery 3. The reMarkable UI does a great job in hiding some of the tech's weaknesses. In particular I'm thinking of the refresh rate and scrolling. Boox would be hard pressed to leverage it effectively, in my mind. But products that are more about page turns and the like are more amenable to Gallery 3. So eReaders, for example, could do well with it.
Thank you very much for doing the comparison between Galy and Remarkable Pro. I think remarkable have done a good job here. Maybe the lesser number of colours has to do with the colour balancing. The Galy was notable for its white background being peach, and at the time I saw images of other Gallery 3 devices on trade shows (I think it was Sharp) and that one also had the peach coloured white. Now I can imagine once you start tinkering with those components you might get some colours to display better, and others might simply disappear. The contrast filter shows the complexity of this technology. For me personally, I'm not sure if I should get into Gallery 3 when some simpler e-reader comes out using the technology or keep an eye on the evolution and wait for some other moment (Gallery 4, 5, ...?). Gallery 3 seems to be pretty usable in this incarnation, though.
Great, thanks - really helpful and insightful into the colour reproduction differences on the RMPP vs paper cmyk and other devices/screen technologies. Does autocontrast detect black and white vs colour docs effectively in your experience? And does the contrast setting get applied at the document level only (ie not individual images and text blocks in a document)? Thanks.
I think it is at the document level. I'm not really sure what it detects, but the good news is that it's easy to change those settings really quickly to see which one is best. And generally the auto setting works for me most of the time. I'll get an answer on your other question in the next day or so. I have the reMarkable 2 but just found out I need to charge it :(.
Very nice comparison. Good catch on the contrast setting. But alas... The reMarkablePro still is quite poor on the gradients, and the blue simply being black is unacceptable. The older Gallery3 screen actually seems better and more balanced, although that one has the problem of the black being too blue/purple. Kaleido colors are muted and desaturated, but the gradients are better, and it seems more balanced. I wonder if that is why in the end Kaleido often seems to give more pleasing picture, often seems to give more detail, even though the colors are clearly very muted... I saw some comparisons with the older Gallery3 device, comparing it to Kaleido and to a black&white screen. And the Kaleido screen looked very much like the black&white except with colors filled in. The Gallery3 screen had a tendency to remove details, and even big features, from areas, especially in areas with lots of colors. It looked significantly different from the black&white images. Which it really should not... it should just add color. I have the feeling that Gallery3 is not at all delivering on the promise of those 40.000 colors... From what I see in the reviews, it often seems to render less colors pixels than Kaleido... It would be nice if you could do some more test on images with lots of shades of color, and then zoom in on the pictures. Like what you did with the Tower of Bable review on the old Gallery3 video from a few months ago? But then zoom in on about a quarter of the screen? I would like to see a comparison between reMarkablePro, Kaleido3 and Carta300 then... If you have time to spare 🙂 Also zoomed in to the point where you can see the pixels to see if Gallery3 does something very different then Kaleido3. I have the feeling it does, and might be using multiple pixels to create color shades... Giving sometimes a very pixelated effect. NB: That's just the feeling I get from looking at UA-cam videos... have neither on the color screens.... Want to get a color e-ink, but I am hesitating...
I'll be knee deep in product reviews for the next month or so, but I can see doing a screen comparison at some point after that in December. I'll put that on my to-do list.
Nevertheless I have bought the RMPP, too impatiently waiting for other Gallery3 devices The black color is darker, no peach colored white, green is much better, dithering is lower. Screen is perfectly large. For a comics reading RMPP is good for now. Kaleido 3 colors too pale, green too malachite, red and yellow too bad. Kaleido for me not in an option for a users who need good eInk colors.
Yes the performance of the automatic mode, would be nice to see. In case you have: only text, mix text/images, and only images on the screen. Because that is what most people will do.
I'll play around with that, but automatic mode was basically kicking in to 'on' for the color palette and the page of text I showed. So it seemed to default there. But there must be some circumstance when it chooses 'off'.
Regarding the difference in color representation between the rmpp and the bigme screen do you think it can and will be improved further in software for the rmpp? The panels should be identical, should they not?
In theory, future software updates should help. I can see them reducing the screen flashes, for example, or providing an ability to refresh the screen on demand so the user can control the flashes. But it's hard to say regarding color behavior. It's a tough tech to work with.
Since they develop a software which renders/displays PDF files on the Paper Pro, they should have all the information about there the text is being displayed and where are images. This way they could apply higher contrast to only selected areas, where it is indeed need (they already can update screen selectively, so a similar method could be applied for increasing contrast only to selected parts of the screen). This way an option would not be needed and users would not see either clear, dark text and crappy images, or beautiful images but blurry text.
I've seen PDF viewers that have an option to force PDF text to be black so I don't understand why they went with the simplistic approach of changing the contrast of the whole screen. On that note, is there a mode to force a documents to display as black and white, which would be useful to make your colored markup stand out and perhaps improve performance.
( made this comment in instagram and i share it ) love remarkable has changed part of mylife, but, come on, this version doesn't have the level i was expecting in comparison to another eink tablets, thats why i returned it, I'm still and happily using my rmk2 thanks for ur effort because is laudable. The reasons why i returned in 24 hours were the not "writing in a paper feeling, is more like my tablet, the refreshing effect is very annoying for pleople who is navigating in the searching bar or looking for tags every microsecond, organising etc, making it feel optically slower. the color is not that intense or vibrant (minor issue) the aesthetic of the tablet is poor, Iow cost, not that elegant but sustainable i guess so. (Another minor issue) the light is ok but it makes an x-ray to ur tablet u can see the frames transilluminated is a not elegant way. (Minor issue) I'm sad because i had to sell my boox onyx ultra c pro for it... pd i think and hope u re able to reinvent for the next version guys, greetings
Excellent video. Much more useful than the dozens of paid reviews from all those third grade "creators" out there. Thanks a lot.
Whoa! This is actually very interesting to see the two gallery screens side by side. Other folks have noticed the blacks are more of a deep blue color on the paper pro. So if was surprising to see proper blues and blacks on the old device. I've heard that old device has a lot of flicker, compared to the new screen, something about a controller chip needing some improvement.
I should point out that on the old device blacks did look blue if the Dark Enhancement was set to zero. But I set it to 15, which solved that problem without creating any additional issues (e.g. images that appeared too dark).
Fascinating Jeff, thanks for comparing to the Galy!
Another helpful video, thanks. Just a thought: if your camera supports it, it would be worth setting it to manual exposure and manual white balance, to ensure it doesn’t dynamically adjust.
I appreciate that feedback!
This clears up a lot of confusion! There's a noticeable difference with contrast modes, and Kaleido 3 needs 50% brightness on the Boox to match (many of us raise the brightness like that at the cost of battery life).
It looks like RM has a refined color reproduction at the cost of number of colors indeed!
Wonder if other companies have renewed interest in the panel (or a generic version of it at least) and take another stab at it. BSR is gonna be a real pain to design for it.
I've been thinking about that. It's going to be hard for some of the competitors to use Gallery 3. The reMarkable UI does a great job in hiding some of the tech's weaknesses. In particular I'm thinking of the refresh rate and scrolling. Boox would be hard pressed to leverage it effectively, in my mind. But products that are more about page turns and the like are more amenable to Gallery 3. So eReaders, for example, could do well with it.
Thank you very much for doing the comparison between Galy and Remarkable Pro.
I think remarkable have done a good job here.
Maybe the lesser number of colours has to do with the colour balancing.
The Galy was notable for its white background being peach, and at the time I saw images of other Gallery 3 devices on trade shows (I think it was Sharp) and that one also had the peach coloured white.
Now I can imagine once you start tinkering with those components you might get some colours to display better, and others might simply disappear.
The contrast filter shows the complexity of this technology.
For me personally, I'm not sure if I should get into Gallery 3 when some simpler e-reader comes out using the technology or keep an eye on the evolution and wait for some other moment (Gallery 4, 5, ...?).
Gallery 3 seems to be pretty usable in this incarnation, though.
Great, thanks - really helpful and insightful into the colour reproduction differences on the RMPP vs paper cmyk and other devices/screen technologies. Does autocontrast detect black and white vs colour docs effectively in your experience? And does the contrast setting get applied at the document level only (ie not individual images and text blocks in a document)? Thanks.
I think it is at the document level. I'm not really sure what it detects, but the good news is that it's easy to change those settings really quickly to see which one is best. And generally the auto setting works for me most of the time. I'll get an answer on your other question in the next day or so. I have the reMarkable 2 but just found out I need to charge it :(.
@@jeffreymoss Thank you, much appreciated.
Very nice comparison. Good catch on the contrast setting. But alas... The reMarkablePro still is quite poor on the gradients, and the blue simply being black is unacceptable. The older Gallery3 screen actually seems better and more balanced, although that one has the problem of the black being too blue/purple.
Kaleido colors are muted and desaturated, but the gradients are better, and it seems more balanced. I wonder if that is why in the end Kaleido often seems to give more pleasing picture, often seems to give more detail, even though the colors are clearly very muted...
I saw some comparisons with the older Gallery3 device, comparing it to Kaleido and to a black&white screen. And the Kaleido screen looked very much like the black&white except with colors filled in. The Gallery3 screen had a tendency to remove details, and even big features, from areas, especially in areas with lots of colors. It looked significantly different from the black&white images. Which it really should not... it should just add color.
I have the feeling that Gallery3 is not at all delivering on the promise of those 40.000 colors... From what I see in the reviews, it often seems to render less colors pixels than Kaleido... It would be nice if you could do some more test on images with lots of shades of color, and then zoom in on the pictures. Like what you did with the Tower of Bable review on the old Gallery3 video from a few months ago? But then zoom in on about a quarter of the screen? I would like to see a comparison between reMarkablePro, Kaleido3 and Carta300 then... If you have time to spare 🙂 Also zoomed in to the point where you can see the pixels to see if Gallery3 does something very different then Kaleido3. I have the feeling it does, and might be using multiple pixels to create color shades... Giving sometimes a very pixelated effect. NB: That's just the feeling I get from looking at UA-cam videos... have neither on the color screens.... Want to get a color e-ink, but I am hesitating...
I'll be knee deep in product reviews for the next month or so, but I can see doing a screen comparison at some point after that in December. I'll put that on my to-do list.
Good, detailed video!
Good work.
Really cool comparison.
Looks like I do not need to buy RMPP for the comix reading. Need to wait Sharp 8 or some BOOX Gallery 3 devices.
Nevertheless I have bought the RMPP, too impatiently waiting for other Gallery3 devices
The black color is darker, no peach colored white, green is much better, dithering is lower. Screen is perfectly large. For a comics reading RMPP is good for now.
Kaleido 3 colors too pale, green too malachite, red and yellow too bad. Kaleido for me not in an option for a users who need good eInk colors.
Looks like mine will be here today for my 100 day testing
How well does the automatic contrast setting guess the content and adapt to using or not the filter?
Yes the performance of the automatic mode, would be nice to see. In case you have: only text, mix text/images, and only images on the screen. Because that is what most people will do.
I'll play around with that, but automatic mode was basically kicking in to 'on' for the color palette and the page of text I showed. So it seemed to default there. But there must be some circumstance when it chooses 'off'.
Regarding the difference in color representation between the rmpp and the bigme screen do you think it can and will be improved further in software for the rmpp? The panels should be identical, should they not?
In theory, future software updates should help. I can see them reducing the screen flashes, for example, or providing an ability to refresh the screen on demand so the user can control the flashes. But it's hard to say regarding color behavior. It's a tough tech to work with.
thx for the test now we know for the color
Since they develop a software which renders/displays PDF files on the Paper Pro, they should have all the information about there the text is being displayed and where are images. This way they could apply higher contrast to only selected areas, where it is indeed need (they already can update screen selectively, so a similar method could be applied for increasing contrast only to selected parts of the screen). This way an option would not be needed and users would not see either clear, dark text and crappy images, or beautiful images but blurry text.
I've seen PDF viewers that have an option to force PDF text to be black so I don't understand why they went with the simplistic approach of changing the contrast of the whole screen. On that note, is there a mode to force a documents to display as black and white, which would be useful to make your colored markup stand out and perhaps improve performance.
@@badbob001 We can only hope they are going to improve the software with future updates.
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You are winner!
@@Gerbil-vm1fp 😅😂
( made this comment in instagram and i share it ) love remarkable has changed part of
mylife, but, come on, this version
doesn't have the level i was expecting
in
comparison to another eink tablets,
thats why i returned it, I'm still and
happily using my rmk2
thanks for ur
effort because is laudable. The
reasons why i returned in 24 hours
were the not "writing in a paper
feeling, is more like my tablet, the
refreshing effect is very annoying for
pleople who is navigating in the
searching bar or looking for tags every
microsecond, organising etc, making it
feel optically slower. the color is not
that
intense or vibrant (minor issue) the
aesthetic of the tablet is poor, Iow cost,
not that elegant but sustainable i guess
so. (Another minor issue) the light is
ok but it makes an x-ray to ur tablet u
can see the frames transilluminated is
a not elegant way. (Minor issue) I'm
sad because i had to sell my boox onyx
ultra c pro for it... pd i think and hope u
re able to reinvent for the next version
guys, greetings