Rib, you nailed it! This is exactly what I try to make my kids aware of when we're jamming, can't tell you how many times I've stopped a song to have a lesson about feel, or it's dragging, or pushing. The analogy I use is we're holding hands walking down the street, you can feel right away if someone is pulling or dragging. Great vid as usual! Jonathan says hi!
You got that right, Rib. That's why rehearsal is so important. No amount of time practicing on the edge of my bed alone can prepare me as well as a full-band rehearsal. Great video my man 10/10 fricheks
I agree with you! I am by no means a technically advanced bass-player, but I could play songs I'd heard but never learned, songs I'd learned but in a different key, and occasionally songs I'd never heard before. I was in the house band in four different jam nights each week as well as being in up to 3 bands as well. Not because I was playing flashy solos, but because I gave the singers and guitarists a solid backing they could do their stuff over- as a bass-player should! You only get good by playing alongside other musicians, not by practicing for hours in your bedroom or basement. Learn songs, learn how to learn songs by playing along, learn how to keep the groove going, and you'll be an in-demand musician. Maybe not professional, but I was getting paid for playing five or six times a week. I'm retired now but I do the occasional gig or jam night and I still get people asking me to back them, or even join their band. And I never practised- I was too busy getting out there and playing!
Finally somebody said it!.So great to hear this stuff being put out because i see endless great players but no soul or feel to their playing.You knocked it out the park with telegraphing.❤️
My two friends played guitar and drums, and would jam after school. After watching them play I saw they had a connection, but there was something lacking(not just the low end). The drummer was great at building pockets, but the guitar player never really got the cue to drop into it with his riff ideas. I bought a Peavey Patriot(pawn find!) and a really nice ampeg rocket and joined their band. I married their parts beautifully, my style inspired a lot by Krist from Nirvana. I'll never be a virtuoso, but I have a natural feel for the rhythm and the ability to lead my bandmates sonically. Later I would join a band with a brilliant drummer who was like a human metronome. 5 months into gigging he tells me, "Dude I follow you through most of the songs when I can." It was the best day of my music career. I knew then that I was a for real bassist and not just a guy who likes to jam.
This is a truth that only came me to with experience. As you expressed, Tony. As a young guitar player I was fascinated by the million notes a second mentality. But, as time went on, I heard more and experienced more music. I really came to appreciate the feel of music more than the technicality. If someone can do both, even better.
Working bass player 30+ years and you're analysis is spot on. I once knew a guitar player who was self taught & could shred alone but as soon as you put him in a band setting he was like a fish out of water.
I know a bedroom player with great technical skill, but he cant follow a click and has completely invented his own time feel. His playin instantly falls apart when you include tempo
Another aspect of being a professional (profession) is that you have to get along with people, you have to be able to accept criticism, and you have to bend sometimes and do it their way. This is true of musicians, esp if they are session players. Q: What does a surly session musician say? A: Would you like fries with that?
Great video. As sub-mid-tier bassist, the thing that allows me to successfully rock our covers gigs is awareness of feel, chord structures, ear and dynamic. Technical prowess in advanced techniques is something I literally don’t have the time (or inclination) for to focus on. I get my joy from playing in concert with my drummer.
Play this is Mark from Uncle Bob's Rock Shop. I mixed your band on the Square the other day. This is a great Channel you have and I totally agree with what you were saying about experience. Excellent job my friend.
I was ready to grab my pitchfork and write an angry ,albeit respectful, comment but as soon as I understood what you actually meant I was like: “Yeah, he’s right!” You never disappoint Rib, thanks for sharing your wisdom with us ❤
Thank you very much! I figured, at my age, I have to do something different than other bass channels instead of being just another talking old bass guy telling people to get off my lawn 😆
Bear-two. That's how you say his last name. He's not just technically proficient, but musical as well. If you check out some of his stuff, you'll see that he has gigged in a wide variety of genres and collaborated with a wide range of artists.
Yes, I know he has pro band experience and that is the reason why I singled him out and stated that I'm sure he is able to handle any situation where I'm not sure about some of the others......the title is addressing the culture that is perceived by many players,; it is in no way an attack on Charles, who I absolutely admire ( and I'm hoping that admiration was reflected in the video).....thank you for watching and commenting
lol Dan......actually, its getting hammered and beaten on over at Reddit....but, of course, thats Reddit.....how is everything going with you and whats goin on at EB these days?
Exactly ! Although I enjoy watching Charles and Davie 504 play bass, that type of playing can only Be done by them. Every bass player is different... Every bass is different as well. It takes years to get the "feel" for Laying down a song and then playing That song with a band -live.
I knew I couldn't have been the only one that made that connection! Never! Play! Ahead! Of! The! Beat! Again! while punching his drummer with metronome-like precision...
The problem with UA-cam bass gurus is that in their videos they always play to a backing track or drum machine. If the "drums" weren't doing exactly what the bass phenom expects, it would be completely different.
This is some of the point Im trying to make with the video. Im not taking anything away from the Bass Phenoms but, rather, trying to tell their viewership, that practice nothing but technique to a metronome, understand that Tachnique is only one aspect of pro playing bass, sharing an equal responsibility with other factors that only can be learned by gigging out with other players repeatedly.and not from UA-cam.
Right on, this is how to be a successful working player. Most bands need someone to play in the pocket with the drummer, adding your own tasteful stylistic touches. Not show boating and stepping out all over the place.
Well said brother. Plus, when your grandson visits and you show him some decent riffs, he’s not impressed unless you can play like he saw Davie/Charles/Remco, etc.
Rib you are 100% correct. A lot of what you are saying are things that you can only learn by having the real life experiences of getting out and playing live with real bands. You can sit and blaze up UA-cam all day every day but that doesn't make you are real professional bass player.
@@Rib13Bass well, our reality is a far cry from being ... predictable and coherent. Professional BP? A punk rocker, who can barely issue 1 note, but plays in a commercially successful band? A dude who is a good guitarist WITH EDUCATION, but needs to work as a taxi driver? A self-made BP, playing in "top-40 band"? Who is a professional musician? The definition is way too vague
@mikeshvedov6981 my definition of pro bass player is: if playing bass is the primary source of income and knows their craft well enough to handle any situation to be self sustaining as time/trends change.
30 years and counting as a professional musician. I teach and perform and like you, have had the opportunity to learn a lot of styles. Another thing that irritates me are the folks who think that certain gear means you're a pro player.
The biggest problem with UA-cam "phenoms", regardless of their instrument, is that most of them are only phenomenal on UA-cam, where everything is polished to perfection during the production. Put them in a live situation, and a lot of them simply fall apart. Why do you think Jared Dines never plays solos live? Why do you think Stevie T. chickened out of the opportunity to play with Dragonforce? Why do you think the only live recording of Tyler Larson that you can find is him completely mangling "Little Wing"? Why do you think you can't find any live recordings of Samurai Guitarist? It's because it's much easier to look like you're a great technician, if you can use production to clean up your mess. If you can play the same lick a million times until you get it right, if you can pitch-correct out-of-tune bends, if you can comp your performance, instead of playing it all in one take... At least Charles Berthoud has actual live footage where he plays just as well as he does in his videos. But he is one of the few.
That is the exact reason I singled Charles out: I'm aware of his history and I'm fairly certain he could handle any situation and I tried to make that point clear in the video. I don't know much about the others you mentioned and have no opinion......the problem is the "mad skills =instant pro" culture which is a byproduct of the culture itself that, through no fault of his own, Charles is part of......this video has been thrown to the sharks over at Reddit and I can tell from a comment that some folks aren't understanding the intent of this video wasn't malicious......thanks for watching and commenting
Rib, you nailed it! This is exactly what I try to make my kids aware of when we're jamming, can't tell you how many times I've stopped a song to have a lesson about feel, or it's dragging, or pushing. The analogy I use is we're holding hands walking down the street, you can feel right away if someone is pulling or dragging. Great vid as usual! Jonathan says hi!
Oh wow! Thats a GREAT analogy...wish I had thought of that one. Tell Jonathan I said "Yo" lol
The Peavey anchor joke was 😂😂
I'm so happy that somebody caught that lol
You got that right, Rib. That's why rehearsal is so important. No amount of time practicing on the edge of my bed alone can prepare me as well as a full-band rehearsal. Great video my man 10/10 fricheks
10/10 Fricheks! awesome!
I agree with you! I am by no means a technically advanced bass-player, but I could play songs I'd heard but never learned, songs I'd learned but in a different key, and occasionally songs I'd never heard before. I was in the house band in four different jam nights each week as well as being in up to 3 bands as well. Not because I was playing flashy solos, but because I gave the singers and guitarists a solid backing they could do their stuff over- as a bass-player should! You only get good by playing alongside other musicians, not by practicing for hours in your bedroom or basement. Learn songs, learn how to learn songs by playing along, learn how to keep the groove going, and you'll be an in-demand musician. Maybe not professional, but I was getting paid for playing five or six times a week. I'm retired now but I do the occasional gig or jam night and I still get people asking me to back them, or even join their band. And I never practised- I was too busy getting out there and playing!
Finally somebody said it!.So great to hear this stuff being put out because i see endless great players but no soul or feel to their playing.You knocked it out the park with telegraphing.❤️
Thank you 😊
I think telegraphing is also known as “ the Musical ear” correct? It comes with experience. Once you have it, you’ll never lose it.
My two friends played guitar and drums, and would jam after school. After watching them play I saw they had a connection, but there was something lacking(not just the low end). The drummer was great at building pockets, but the guitar player never really got the cue to drop into it with his riff ideas. I bought a Peavey Patriot(pawn find!) and a really nice ampeg rocket and joined their band. I married their parts beautifully, my style inspired a lot by Krist from Nirvana. I'll never be a virtuoso, but I have a natural feel for the rhythm and the ability to lead my bandmates sonically.
Later I would join a band with a brilliant drummer who was like a human metronome. 5 months into gigging he tells me, "Dude I follow you through most of the songs when I can." It was the best day of my music career. I knew then that I was a for real bassist and not just a guy who likes to jam.
Awesome story! Thank you for sharing and glad you have found yourself
if i had heard slap bass first i wouldnt have been a bass player full stop ,,
Could not agree more!
This is a truth that only came me to with experience. As you expressed, Tony. As a young guitar player I was fascinated by the million notes a second mentality. But, as time went on, I heard more and experienced more music. I really came to appreciate the feel of music more than the technicality. If someone can do both, even better.
Working bass player 30+ years and you're analysis is spot on. I once knew a guitar player who was self taught & could shred alone but as soon as you put him in a band setting he was like a fish out of water.
I know a bedroom player with great technical skill, but he cant follow a click and has completely invented his own time feel. His playin instantly falls apart when you include tempo
@heavi-armed-infadel Your*
"my bass slapped me" made me laugh out louuuud.
This is probably the best instructional video out there because of the value of Rib's wisdom.
What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
Another aspect of being a professional (profession) is that you have to get along with people, you have to be able to accept criticism, and you have to bend sometimes and do it their way. This is true of musicians, esp if they are session players.
Q: What does a surly session musician say?
A: Would you like fries with that?
Lol......and, omg, that could almost be a whole separate video ( idea!)
Great video.
As sub-mid-tier bassist, the thing that allows me to successfully rock our covers gigs is awareness of feel, chord structures, ear and dynamic. Technical prowess in advanced techniques is something I literally don’t have the time (or inclination) for to focus on. I get my joy from playing in concert with my drummer.
Play this is Mark from Uncle Bob's Rock Shop. I mixed your band on the Square the other day. This is a great Channel you have and I totally agree with what you were saying about experience. Excellent job my friend.
Hey! Great to see you again the other night and thanks for stopping by my channel....those cards come in handy lol
I was ready to grab my pitchfork and write an angry ,albeit respectful, comment but as soon as I understood what you actually meant I was like: “Yeah, he’s right!”
You never disappoint Rib, thanks for sharing your wisdom with us ❤
Thank you for watching and the comment.....and I'm getting pitchforked over at Reddit plenty today 😅 (mostly from ppl who said they didn't watch it)
@@Rib13Bass They’ll get it after they watch it 😆
Man I love your style of making videos! Very creative and enjoyable to follow :D
Thank you very much! I figured, at my age, I have to do something different than other bass channels instead of being just another talking old bass guy telling people to get off my lawn 😆
Bear-two. That's how you say his last name. He's not just technically proficient, but musical as well. If you check out some of his stuff, you'll see that he has gigged in a wide variety of genres and collaborated with a wide range of artists.
Yes, I know he has pro band experience and that is the reason why I singled him out and stated that I'm sure he is able to handle any situation where I'm not sure about some of the others......the title is addressing the culture that is perceived by many players,; it is in no way an attack on Charles, who I absolutely admire ( and I'm hoping that admiration was reflected in the video).....thank you for watching and commenting
I like this video. Thanks for all you do, sir!
lol Dan......actually, its getting hammered and beaten on over at Reddit....but, of course, thats Reddit.....how is everything going with you and whats goin on at EB these days?
BOOM! Right on the beat!
Amén brother!
Thanks Bob!
YAY FOR BASS
Exactly !
Although I enjoy watching Charles and Davie
504 play bass, that type of playing can only
Be done by them.
Every bass player is different...
Every bass is different as well.
It takes years to get the "feel" for
Laying down a song and then playing
That song with a band -live.
BASS RUTTEN!!!! Can't agree more! Great video! Subscribed!
Awesome! Thank you!
I knew I couldn't have been the only one that made that connection! Never! Play! Ahead! Of! The! Beat! Again! while punching his drummer with metronome-like precision...
I'd rather punch the drummer with the Precision 😀
The problem with UA-cam bass gurus is that in their videos they always play to a backing track or drum machine. If the "drums" weren't doing exactly what the bass phenom expects, it would be completely different.
This is some of the point Im trying to make with the video. Im not taking anything away from the Bass Phenoms but, rather, trying to tell their viewership, that practice nothing but technique to a metronome, understand that Tachnique is only one aspect of pro playing bass, sharing an equal responsibility with other factors that only can be learned by gigging out with other players repeatedly.and not from UA-cam.
Spot on. Charles, Davey5,342,820 and the especially unctious Jacob Collier are all remarkably talented and sound.... soulless.
The fact that people talk about Jacob Collier as if he is the reincarnation of Mozart just shows how messed up things have become.
Preach it Brother!
100% right on all counts.
Right on, this is how to be a successful working player. Most bands need someone to play in the pocket with the drummer, adding your own tasteful stylistic touches. Not show boating and stepping out all over the place.
Well said brother. Plus, when your grandson visits and you show him some decent riffs, he’s not impressed unless you can play like he saw Davie/Charles/Remco, etc.
Holy words!!!!
Rib you are 100% correct.
A lot of what you are saying are things that you can only learn by having the real life experiences of getting out and playing live with real bands.
You can sit and blaze up UA-cam all day every day but that doesn't make you are real professional bass player.
Music isn’t supposed to be a competition but even if it was a competition it would be a team sport not an individual display
Love the video. Have you ever considered being a body double for Bas Rutten 😊
Charles B have super edited clips. In one he took down his hands teleported in 1 nanosecond.
I've had latency/syncing problems on my own videos.....are you sure it wasn't that?
FINALLY someone is discussing that issue!
Unfortunately, some folks are taking this the wrong way
@@Rib13Bass well, our reality is a far cry from being ... predictable and coherent. Professional BP? A punk rocker, who can barely issue 1 note, but plays in a commercially successful band? A dude who is a good guitarist WITH EDUCATION, but needs to work as a taxi driver? A self-made BP, playing in "top-40 band"? Who is a professional musician? The definition is way too vague
@mikeshvedov6981 my definition of pro bass player is: if playing bass is the primary source of income and knows their craft well enough to handle any situation to be self sustaining as time/trends change.
30 years and counting as a professional musician. I teach and perform and like you, have had the opportunity to learn a lot of styles. Another thing that irritates me are the folks who think that certain gear means you're a pro player.
Thank you for sharing and your history sounds pro to me
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.
The biggest problem with UA-cam "phenoms", regardless of their instrument, is that most of them are only phenomenal on UA-cam, where everything is polished to perfection during the production. Put them in a live situation, and a lot of them simply fall apart. Why do you think Jared Dines never plays solos live? Why do you think Stevie T. chickened out of the opportunity to play with Dragonforce? Why do you think the only live recording of Tyler Larson that you can find is him completely mangling "Little Wing"? Why do you think you can't find any live recordings of Samurai Guitarist?
It's because it's much easier to look like you're a great technician, if you can use production to clean up your mess. If you can play the same lick a million times until you get it right, if you can pitch-correct out-of-tune bends, if you can comp your performance, instead of playing it all in one take...
At least Charles Berthoud has actual live footage where he plays just as well as he does in his videos. But he is one of the few.
That is the exact reason I singled Charles out: I'm aware of his history and I'm fairly certain he could handle any situation and I tried to make that point clear in the video. I don't know much about the others you mentioned and have no opinion......the problem is the "mad skills =instant pro" culture which is a byproduct of the culture itself that, through no fault of his own, Charles is part of......this video has been thrown to the sharks over at Reddit and I can tell from a comment that some folks aren't understanding the intent of this video wasn't malicious......thanks for watching and commenting