Vision to Reality | The Development of Triumph's Motocross Chassis
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The wait is over! Join Ricky Carmichael, Bobby Hewitt, Dave Arnold, Ivan Tedesco and Stephen "Scuba" Westfall as they discuss Triumph's new motocross chassis and why it's been worth the wait.
Stay tuned for Episode 2, coming 15th August.
Bro we just wanna see the bike
Yeah but keeping with current day hype they’ll have to milk it out a long time
If we only see the entire bike first, we wouldn’t see each part separately and see the details of all their hard work and efforts.
Patience Blaine
Talk about blue balls
You're a minute man
Sorry guys as much I love what you are doing and I am a fan! You talk about the great hand TIG welding, I am a metal fabricator by trade, those welds you show I would be embarrassed to talk about from a quality standpoint.
Well, unlike the rumors it’s definitely not a KTM. Cool to see the process.
No one ever said it was KTM.
I have been building die cast dies and programming CNC machines for 30 years. I know what it takes to design and build something this complex. It takes a lot of money and a lot of very talented people. I cannot wait to see this bike and hopefully ride one. Congrats to all of you guys!!!
As a welder, those welds aren’t “aesthetically pleasing”. 😂
One "reveal" video a month. This should give them until at least March of next year to tell us why it wasn't ready for SX as planned.
😂
actually vitalmx stated that these videos are coming out every two weeks or faster... do your research
@@williamsnow417 Do YoUr ReSearCh. You sound like a flat earther or something. It was a joke. You clearly don't understand sarcasm.
I'm glad to see they are doing the right thing by making the time to get it perfected. Too many companies throw out half baked models earlier than they should and cause a lot of grief for us early purchasers. Its bad to rush to market for both the consumer and the manufacturer, unfortunately we're in a "want it now" society.
i have seen this first hand my dad bought a first year yamaha 660r raptor luckily he bought the 2 year extended warranty on it. we went through 3 clutch baskets, 2 transmissions, and 1 top end all while under warrenty. he wsaid he would never buy the first year of anything again, then he bought my first year crf250x in 2004 and my sister's first year crf150r in 2007 both were great bikes.
@@user-ed3nz7bb1p I had a 98 400f and there were Zero issues with it
I completely agree with you. You can see that even in different ways for example opening a new restaurant without finishing the decorations. They are on the right path 👍
I think this is pretty awesome. I mean yeah we all just want to see the bike but working it through a series piece by piece is pretty bad ass. It's in depth and nobody else has shown anyone the in depth view of a process like this before. Great work Triumph. Now let's get the next episode going.
Its kinda genius from a marketing standpoint. Build up a ton of hype with the video releases and they might sell more bikes because of it.
It's definitely genius it will create Hella demand
I’m glad to see this. I was fully expecting a “black ktm” so refreshing to see a manufacturer build from the ground up to make something unique
Bet it'll have KTM motors!! LOLWTF.
I don't know why everyone keeps saying this. They said they're making their own motors, and we'll probably see that next.
Serious knowledge and respect to those involved. If you don't know some of the players in this video, do your research. Some serious people Hp here. Looking forward to the finished product.
Long time Triumph rider here. (Desert sled days). Fun times.
Dave Arnold and RC is an incredible combination..I think that there are going to be a few surprised people when this bike hits the track..
Should release the vids hours apart, not days.
I want to rip a 250 2-stroke in that frame. Reminds me of the old rm frames 🤤
Interesting that they go with Aluminium and not the Steel route. Cant wait to see more of this one.
Why? Its better.... its ALWAYS been better for a race frame. KTMs are shit and anybody with a brain knows that.... why you think they are having such a controversy over their frames this year?
I had the same thought but I’m glad they did because I’d feel like oh just add it to the KTM, Husky, GasGas bin
@@williamdeweese2546 Tbh i am in both camps, as Aluminium is great and Chromoly is aswel. I wonder howerver wich is the most affordable in quantities through production for the mass. Engine reveal will be very interesting, but also suspension. Given that Ricky who would i say is their main guy and Hot Sauce Tedesco were on Showas and RC KYB then Showa it feels like it will be either of those two.
Hubs will they go aftermarket or produce them inhouse, many questionmarks yet to unfold.
@@williamdeweese2546 ? All the brands have aluminum frames for mx racing bikes, trail versions and road yeah the regular brands have steel frames with aluminum sub frames... im confused by your comment
Those uneven welds and Aluminum frame already dropping points.
Pretty exciting that we are witnessing history in the making. I’m sure we will all look back at this and remember how we all got blue balled by Ricky Carmichael and the team at triumph.
😂😂😂
Awesome to see this taking shape, can't wait to see the whole bike.
After this build up it better be the best bike made or it’s going to flop
@@jamesvengren5316 haha
Such a tease, you'd better hope this thing has the specs, equipment and looks to back up this drawn out hype haha, super keen to see the complete bike, as a 1200 McQueen owner I certainly hope it is as good as the hype you're building for it :)
Holy Cow. Triumph put together a powerhouse team. Looks so promising. Ryan is looking in great shape, ready to get back out there!
That frame worked pretty well for Yamaha a dozen years ago I'm sure it'll be just fine.
I worked on CNC and EDM, waterjet on aircraft parts. The materials are amazing these days and even if the technology of materials, tooling has been out for many years some of it is still too expensive like titanium. The quality of the parts making up the motocrosser like the frame has had so much research, development and testing already done and well done to the team. You can see that they are developing and inventing new ways of approaching projects and are innovative.
Next video will be 7 minutes on how they developed the bolts? Common, reveal the freakin bike already.
WOW not a parts bin bike. Way to go. Top notch team work. Thank you Triumph. I always loved my 66 Bonneville café racer with a great resto mod. Including a 750 rout kit and 46 MM Mikuni carbs. And so much more.
Rollin' those summerdime welds.
Some are dimes, some are nickles and gum. 😹
I am COMPLETELY JACKED to see this bike !!!!!!
I love how angry waiting makes people. Ppl can't even wait in a checkout line anymore without fidgeting and looking to others in the line to bitch about how long they are standing there...I have even herd audible groans like a toddler makes when someone pulls out a checkbook. Lol. None of you children complaining about the time frame should be allowed to buy one.... ever.
People vote with their feet though, and their wallets. There’s 5 other brands to compete with. The competition is stuff.
Fully hand welded? Sounds expensive. I'm not really in the market for a new dirtbike right now but I'm a pretty big Triumph fan so hopefully they do it right and it's competitive. The last thing we need is another Cannondale.....
I bet the hand welded frames will only be for the racing teams. Wouldn't be surprised if the mass produced general public version (if one gets made) is machine/robot welded.
First thing I thought of, the cannondale..ughh
In looking at the welds, bring on the ROBOTS. Human element only leaves room for obvious inconsistencies and poor quality.
It's a privilege to be a Triumph Dealer here in Murfreesboro, Tennessee!
Jesus Christ. “It’s coming” “few more weeks” meanwhile deposits are being made as I type this on every other oem 24 model.
although I am still angry and disappointed by the bad experience with the tiger1200 rally pro, I hope this new bike will help in the development of more competitive, fast, easy to handle, reliable and complete big adv motorcycles than the rivals like GS, MULTISTRADA V4 and 1290 SAS .
I'm rooting for you and I wish you to be competitive right away.
Who knows if one day I will be able to be a proud owner of a Triumph motorcycle again.
I like it that they are doing something different than the twin spare frame, but I thought they would go the chromoly route. I just associate steel with European brands. It kinda looks like the 1st generation Yamaha aluminum frame.
Congratulations on taking your time to develop what you all believe is going to be an amazing bike. All the R and D costs money, the longer you take the more money is needed. That why most manufacturers, in many different fields not just bikes, settle for “good enough” when the budget runs out. Good to see you guys pushing for perfection regardless of budget. I’m fine with waiting for an amazing product.
Wow dream team comes together, I am so excited for everyone ones involvement. I am so happy to see this group working together Bobby has always been a monster at getting it done. RC wow what a huge change in direction of a career. Take your time be confident when it is time and come out swinging.
Best of luck to the entire team.
Ranny
Wow ! Dave Arnold in on this too, I'm sure it will be a great machine.
Looks like the 04-05 suzuki and Kawasaki frames from back in the day
I'd be shocked if this wasn't a game changing bike. This is an all star lineup building this bike and making sure it's something to be proud of
There is no modern post 2000 bike on earth that is "game changing". It's all about the rider.
I cant wait to see this on a track
I can’t wait! I remember when the “THUMPER” came out I loved hearing the bike . Now I can’t wait to hear the Triumph!
If you make an enduro bike someday. Don’t mess around. Steel frame, 300cc FI two stroke right out of the gate.
I know for sure Anderson is going to Hop on Board especially with having Bobby Hewit there!
I’m impressed by RC he took on Development for a new motorcycle and obviously we know Tedesco is a badass Test Rider.
Wishing you guys the best of luck 🙏
Hopefully they tap into the enduro/2 Stroke Market it’s time for Competition against KTM Now!!
Can't wait to see it and see how she runs.
I’m guessing it will be black, cherry red or grey
I look at this and this is what i see.... Dave Arnold from the Honda days and back when he used to use the legendary "frame jig" to make works frames for the factory team, IT and RC both of who had raced and won at the highest peak of the sport and know what a good bike feels like, and Scuba and Bobby who both ran one hell of a team for years that scored several championships.
There is no doubt in my mind that we will be getting a sweet, bad ass dirt bike.
you hear that doubters? ITS NOT A KTM. Super excited
Totally awesome... I raced a Rickman Mettise at Carlsbad.. Met Don and Derek Rickman at the LA Cycle show. Cant wait for this new Triumph
They have some great people involved with this.
I just hope you'll get an enduro and light adventure models out of this platform. All the best to Triumph guys.
I don't know if it was a good idea to show the welds and make the comments about how good they are. Hand welding is not always better. Weather they were robotic or done by hand I would have expected to see better especially in a teaser vid.
Super excited to see the new Triumph MX bike!
The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Can't wait!
Congratulations 🎉 team Triumph motorcycles company for developing a refined Engine
The frame quite literally looks exactly like a 07-12 yzf frames loool
My biggest Qs are...
1. Will this be a main staple bike?? Can I go out within just a few years and find them like we find Yamaha, Honda, and other brands.
2. Will I even be able to afford it.
Awesome.
English brand, where’s the English engineers input? 🇬🇧
They want bolts & parts to line up for multiple different machines. That’s why.
They are targeting the US market would be my guess. I might be wrong, but the UK doesn’t appear to be dirt bike friendly.
Definitely excited to see more of this bike!
I remember the first mx race I ever went to. A Triumph and BSA were roosting the open class! Circa 1970. Please make a dual sport!
Right on Ricky can’t wait to see it on the gate.
Willing to test/ride/race this new machine in Canada
All the modern computer modelling and stress simulations available and it takes much longer than in former decades to produce a cutting edge product!
Can’t wait to see the Flat Track version ready for AFT season opener in Daytona.
I want to see it then show us each step!!!!
rickey really was one of the best people they could have got on the team 🙌🏻🤘🏻😎😎
One of the most eagerly awaited dirt bike is coming together finally woohoo! 🎉🤩
So it's actually happening🤔
Super pumped for this ever since i heard about it. Still foaming at the mouth for more & can't wait for the end product. All love & kuddos to you guys! :)
Excellent work. I love all the talk of MX and SX competition. I was a bit sceptical (sorry) and thought they would develop a ‘Softer’ trail bike
After the welds are done they need to re CNC the frame where the welds are to clean them up.
I like the single backbone aluminum frame we have not seen this in years. 09 yz450 is the last if I recall.
Hope they run black. Or British racing green lotus style
Good to see Triumph waking up. Personally I feel they have been a bit behind the rest of the market, and recent years show they do actually know a thing or three as well. To get Ricky Carmichael onboard for something like this pretty much says it all. He wouldn't be there if they were not serious, so I do look forward to the rest of this process.
Crack on...
Can’t wait to see and if Ricky Carmichael’s involved you know it’s gonna be good numbers don’t lie
on average how much lighter is aluminum than chrome moly when the mass amount is the same between both metals
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Aluminum is significantly lighter than chrome-moly (chromium-molybdenum) steel when comparing materials of the same mass. The density of aluminum is about 2.7 g/cm³, while chrome-moly steel has a density of around 7.8 g/cm³. Therefore, for the same mass of material, aluminum would be approximately 2.9 times less dense than chrome-moly steel.
This means that if you had a certain weight of aluminum and an equal weight of chrome-moly steel, the aluminum components would occupy a larger volume than the chrome-moly steel components due to its lower density. As a result, motorcycles with aluminum frames tend to be lighter than those with chrome-moly steel frames when the mass is the same. This weight reduction can result in improved performance, handling, and fuel efficiency.
Aluminum is lighter by volume, but not as strong, so to get to the same strength as steel you need more aluminum which results in a bigger frame at a similar weight. The main deference is that the larger aluminum frame is significantly more ridged which has it's advantages and disadvantages. That's why some still go with steel vs. aluminum.
Showing us one bolt at a time.
We great to see the finished product, hopefully you will improve quality control on those horrible welds shown around 4:30, nothing like the quality you were talking about, hopefully the rest of the bike will be much better
nice video revealing how the yz426f lookalike frame is poorly hand welded and nothing else
RC4 is my all time favorite athlete of anything, bar none.
It’s weird to see him older when I’m much older
My kids have autographed number plates from their childhood bikes from back in the day
Form rc and Chad reed
Very cool memories
Can't wait to see the finished product
I didn't know Hot Suace was part of the R&D for Truimph. I'm glad he's doing alright. Cool bike.
Can't wait to see these on the race track!
They’re really going to milk the shit out of this huh?
I am excited for the 450 and feel the frame design is the best of both worlds. in 25 I'll be due for a freshie. very possibly going to be one of these!!!
I can’t wait for the next video! Maybe they will show us how they developed the levers and foot pegs…
Hell yes. Cant wait to see this. Says alot about the industry, in times like these....where we supposedly are going into a recession but all these big companies are still investing largely into bigger and better things. You gotta think that these companies have a deep insight on the near future, if things looked bad they wouldnt been dumping money into these projects. Our industry is growing, theres money to be made. This applies to everything in the world in general.
This is brilliant
Go for it triumph!
NICE! Cant wait for more!
Very cool. Triumph makes some timeless motocycles. I hope they get more into motocross too.
Ricky, if I were you, I would NOT attach my name to a new motorcycle brand unless it genuinely impresses YOU. Power delivery...handling...ergonomics...weight...componentry...quality parts.... One word: Cannondale.
Um...Cannondale never built a motorcycle before. And, Triumph has been building motorcycles for decades. So, there is that fact. And, if you've ever looked at any modern Triumph, you would know the Cannondale comparison is laughable at best. This is closer to when Honda introduced the original Elsinore. We all know the effect it had on the sport. Well, anyone old enough to remember, anyway.
@@bmotomo421 Like they say in poker, "Read 'em and weep." ua-cam.com/video/KGeesNlaKA8/v-deo.html
RC looking fit for a comeback.
Wow what a past history of moto heroes with technology put together. this can be the next Podium bike when its ready. if it shows the first year, that can be from the pro riding it and the bike helper him to cross the finish line first.
If it takes a season first place, it will make the pro on the bike in the history books. I wish I was younger to be part of history being made, even sweeping trailers or whatever. But for everyone that is part of it, should be proud and respectful for what they got.
Hope the motor is as beautiful as the frame. looking forward to seeing it and the complete bike.
I like the suspense and it sounds like its being done right. Who will pilot this new beast? Bring on the engine reveal!
John Bloor brought Triumph back from the dead, took 8 years for them to release their first bike after that, they now sell 85,000 bikes a year worldwide. But the MX community are losing their shit because they have to wait a few more months to see a bike.
It’s like a slow foreplay !!! 👍
This is exciting. I currently ride a Honda dirt bike and ride triumph motorcycles and can’t wait to see what this thing can do
Looking good, get it right and this is an awesome opportunity
Only thing I’m concerned about are all the frames being hand welded. The costs for labour will be more and user error is possible without the precision of a robot. Plus the price. If the bikes are too expensive there will be no big market.
We will get the bikes in 2030.
Ummmm yea…Looks like the Yamaha YZ 250 2stroke frame
I just want to see the bike!
Looks very nice. Excited to see the whole thing down the road. That chassis reminds me of a 06-09 yamaha yz450f frame. Those were great bikes just heavy. So this having some similarities isnt a bad thing.
It was heavy because it had a 450 engine in it same frame on the 250f weight wise
Exciting stuff guys - can't wait to see the final product.
Triumph, despite all the "nanny" brickbats thrown your way (and it is true), I think you guys make just the best bikes out there. Are they perfect? No. But man are they well engineered, handle like a BOSS, and ride just beautifully. Can't wait to see this :)
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