Not just that, but the whole Romania thing too. For those not aware of that, EU is investing if TikTok broke EUs digital rulebook during presidential elections in Romania.
Same. It's crazy to think, the US has the power to coerce foreign companies into selling to one of their own. I hate, how the US thinks tiktok should be "nationalised" but not their healthcare and education system. Different strokes for different folks, ... I guess. 🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️
I mean Booktok didn't exactly put marginalized books/authors on. The majority of the authors who got the 6 figure deals and the trending bestsellers because of that platform were cis hetero white women.
This is literally a fact but it doesn’t change that it is/was still a platform marginalized creators did sometimes benefit from that is being taken away and replaced with nothing
@@NonAnonD We still have the huge apps that are Instagram and UA-cam. Bluesky and Threads are growing and other apps will rise up. Apps are cyclical. Remember Myspace?
@@jostinaluver Jess in this video goes over why those apps are not exactly interchangeable with TikTok for various reasons from UX to algorithm, with the latter being why TikTok grew and was pretty great for discoverability of new creators and books (even tho this largely helped straight white women, it’s how i learned about Tigest Girma’s Immortal Dark). If your argument is that tiktok being banned is a nonevent for creators, I guess we just have to agree to disagree
I don't use Tiktok. I don't even look at it. The only TikTok I see is what people post on youtube about it LOL ... but I am a huge proponent of free speech and I think anything like this is a slippery slope.
I would love if blogs came back!! 😮 And I definitely miss the Twitter from my college and early working days. I had a great time on twitter in like 2012-2015. 😅 It will be fascinating to see how creators adapt and how people who follow and enjoy contents find what they like in the future. I hate most algorithms. I wish we just had the most recent posts on top and we could just see everything from people we already follow.
Hank Green had a good video about the differences in monetising UA-cam/Insta/TikTok, saying that UA-cam gave you a better share, but they also force shorts to be shorter than two minutes, which is really fun for some content, but overall isn't going to be great as a replacement. Also, the interface on shorts really is terrible. IDK, friend. I'll stay here.
If the government is stupid enough to ban Tiktok, people will adapt. New apps will be made, old websites and apps will be utilized, etc. I just imagine it will be very hard for a lot of people to transition and build up an audience on a whole other platform again. It sucks. I think booktok needs a bit of revamp anyway lmao some of the babes aren’t even reading!!!
Good, I’m glad a TikTok ban will affect publishing. That app along with a few others have ruined what books become popular and how readers find book suggestions. Now if someone could just take the self publishing button away from all these authors with zero depth, maybe we could actually get a good story.
With more creators also comes more viewers and more people in the community overall is good for everyone I think. That may even expose tiktokers to a wider range of books and readers/creators--hopefully diversifying the books that are getting read. Tiktok has helped foster lots of new passionate readers, but it also uplifts *a very specific type of book.* That, however, also feeds into those books getting more of the resources from publishing. If we assume publishing has a limited amount of resources, it could be for the better if more of these resources go towards making and advertising better books.
Kinda wish we could get rid of all short-form content for the sake of everyone's attention spans. I say this and do not have atiktok but I have fallen into watching short videos on fb, insta and youtube. And I wish we could just get away from that.
i'm not on tiktok but i enjoy the tiktoks I see that get reposted elsewhere and I am just angry about the ban for all the reasons you mentioned. not to mention it's an act of censorship and control that infuriates me. for me I would be BEREFT without Booktube so I can see how devastating this is for some users and creators
I actually don’t care if TikTok goes away. Imo they have the most annoying algorithm of them all. Sticks you in a little box and doesn’t let you out. I always felt pressured to post on there and it’s a chore compared to making UA-cam videos. I won’t miss it if it’s gone
I'm sorry all the US booktokers are losing their platform and I'm quite curious to see how this impacts the publishing industry. Will publishers look to see what the next largest book community is? I'm also lowkey interested to see how that impacts all us on booktube., cause a lot of us have been "TikTok made me read it!" or "Latest tiktok drama" and the algo seems to be eating that content up. So besides possibly bring new creators and viewers to booktube, we'll probably get some new trends in what people want to watch. Very excited for that as often it felt like people were rushing to hate on booktok or praise it when it was often like "why we even care?"
I do think itll be banned. I hope they dont sell. I still remember the role mark played in this so its a no to fb or ig. I switched over to storygraph and fable. Ill be giving new apps a chance or itll just be youtube
I think the ban will be good and bad the positive side would be that authors and publishers won't be giving us some of the same regurgitated non sense.
I'm an oldie (i guess) that just never got into tiktok. Didn't understand how to use it for content or for just viewing, but again while I rely on my phone for a lot? I'm old school with a lot of other things in needing a proper computer, like to make content and edit and post content. It would be nice if Google/UA-cam would make the Shorts interface better and all as a result of this. But yeah, it's not going to affect me really. Even as I plan to launch my book channel, I wasn't going to touch tiktok, just maybe get a bookstagram. I mostly find new recs through youtube and twitter/blusky. I am curious about these new book focused social media places, but no energy to check them out myself atm. XD
This is exactly why I have been backing up my youtube content since day 1 *knock on wood cause we don't need that energy here* but the reality is that apps and platforms come and go depending on what going on in the world. I will be upset about it for sure but booktube has always been here.
I was just thinking that traditional publishing just seems less and less worth it. Authors have to build their own platforms and aren’t really getting the developmental edits that they need. What’s the point?
@@Yosoybean I’ve even heard people in the industry (agents, editors) talk regretfully about how books that could have been nurtured into a quality product got picked up and pumped out as grist for the content mill by publishing companies. Even experienced, skillful authors need time and a pair of outside eyes and good advice to make the best possible product. You stare at a manuscript for too long and you lose perspective and need a fresh gaze from people you trust to understand what you’re trying to make and how to help you make it the best it can be! Such a shame.
I'm over here, also being offended that some clock app peeps don't think BookTube is a thing. I've wrap up over 1500 books I have read during my time on BookTube, and it is endlessly frustrating every time I hear about BookTubers being diminished or dismissed like this.
I'm used to transitioning/moving on from platforms that have become defunct, so I get this. I used to love Twitter too and moving on from there has been hard. But I am glad that I had multiple places to land. I'm hoping blogging comes back more.
I agree with everything you say. Right now, it's on Justice Roberts's desk. He can vote by himself if he wants the court to hear this. It's one of the perks, I guess, of being the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. I also think that the publishing companies will have to go back to how they use to publish. And that will be a bad thing for those that want to publish more diverse books. Publishing houses won't have the guarantee that the book will sell like they had with tiktok. However, if the court does rule that the ban does violate the first amendment, or Trump tells his Attorney general to not proscute, if the Google and Apple stores don't take it down. Then that will make the law very hard to prosecute.
I hope that other platforms improve, but if they didn't do that with the popularity of TikTok then I don't know if they will make the effort now-I can still hope. Instagram use to be my favourite, but with the algorithm pushing accounts into my feed despite the fact that I don't follow them just gets on my nerves. Then there are the excessive company ads-now and then-okay they want to make a profit, but there are too many now. I wish there would be an option to just show photos since reels oversimulate me, but I know I'm probably in the minority. The reason for the ban doesn't make sense. Every app collects user data. User data privacy and national security in every country is very important and should be addressed. It's the hypocrisy on top of the stipulation of forcing a foreign company to divest that make me give this a major side-eye as someone who doesn't even use TikTok but for future implications. If other countries start to do the same, things are going to get really "interesting".
I occasionally use tiktok but for short periods and the fyp is a mess. Don't people know how to download apps or whatever equivalent? I feel like it will go that way.... Idk if Apple can side load apps though.
i don't have tiktok on my phone because otherwise i'd just rot in bed for 3 business years 💀 but i do upload twitch/gaming clips there so it's gonna suck not having that then again, i feel shitty just uploading and not supporting anyone else so i guess i can't complain too much 😅
I think if the USA government can find a way to gain the lion's share of the profits on TT somehow, it'll be fine. This is 100% a money play, and honestly given the demand for short-form content, a USA company will be right here to pick back up where TT left off, the way TT piggybacked off of Vine.
I hope most come to youtube. I prefer this platform over anything else. I don't care for TT or IG or Shorts. People can make short form videos on youtube. Are you planning to join bluesky?
majority population usually don't know how, or even that vpn is a thing, and most people are addicted to mindless scrolling so it's just easier to switch apps instead of making the effort it takes to click an extra button on a vpn app/extension.
I hope TikTok does not sale, but if they do the app will be vastly different than it is now. They may sale the app but they will not include the algorithm.
I have so many folders too. Recipes, exercise stuff, history, so much useful stuff. Dont get me wrong - i love dumb animal videos & people beefing with each too. I'm wondering if anti-trust laws will come into this if they do sell.
I thought of redownloading it but my phone hardly has enough storage i think the whole ban is stupid even my sister does and she doesnt really keep up with politics
Wow. Trump really said my very first move as president is to bring that TikTok ban back. I was on TikTok when it first came out. Before it ever hit the States. Back then it was all Chinese artists and vloggers and Indian uni students. It was a blast. I came off after it hit the West though. Just wasn't the same. Wondering if I should go back now that they're kicking the Merikans off! 🤣🤣 I won't, but damn. I am sorry for yu'all. That's tough.
I don’t post booktok content but I do on bookstagram. It definitely is the trenches with trying to post reviews and talk about books. It feels like no one wants to see those kinds of post, so I’ve been thinking about blogging or just seeing what next app they come up with :)
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as an european, I'm also really interested to see how tiktok is going to be impacted over here by the US ban
Same here in Canada. I’m wondering if it will kill usage here.
Not only tiktok but also other Apps that have a lot of reposted tiktoks like instagram and yt shorts
Not just that, but the whole Romania thing too. For those not aware of that, EU is investing if TikTok broke EUs digital rulebook during presidential elections in Romania.
Same. It's crazy to think, the US has the power to coerce foreign companies into selling to one of their own. I hate, how the US thinks tiktok should be "nationalised" but not their healthcare and education system. Different strokes for different folks, ... I guess.
🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️
@@outi3852 As a Romanian terrified of what TikTok was capable of doing, I really hope TikTok will disappear.'cause to regulate it...that's difficult
I mean Booktok didn't exactly put marginalized books/authors on. The majority of the authors who got the 6 figure deals and the trending bestsellers because of that platform were cis hetero white women.
This is literally a fact but it doesn’t change that it is/was still a platform marginalized creators did sometimes benefit from that is being taken away and replaced with nothing
@@NonAnonD The same can be said about any of the apps/social sites though.
@@jostinaluverI guess, if those apps and sites were as huge as tiktok and being banned. But only Tiktok is in that situation right now
@@NonAnonD We still have the huge apps that are Instagram and UA-cam. Bluesky and Threads are growing and other apps will rise up. Apps are cyclical. Remember Myspace?
@@jostinaluver Jess in this video goes over why those apps are not exactly interchangeable with TikTok for various reasons from UX to algorithm, with the latter being why TikTok grew and was pretty great for discoverability of new creators and books (even tho this largely helped straight white women, it’s how i learned about Tigest Girma’s Immortal Dark). If your argument is that tiktok being banned is a nonevent for creators, I guess we just have to agree to disagree
wait…actual videos…on youtube??? wtf have i been doing for the past NINE YEARS???
I don't use Tiktok. I don't even look at it. The only TikTok I see is what people post on youtube about it LOL ... but I am a huge proponent of free speech and I think anything like this is a slippery slope.
I hope the ban will at least impact the mass overconsumption problem we have to restore the balance of everything it will take away
I would love if blogs came back!! 😮 And I definitely miss the Twitter from my college and early working days. I had a great time on twitter in like 2012-2015. 😅
It will be fascinating to see how creators adapt and how people who follow and enjoy contents find what they like in the future. I hate most algorithms. I wish we just had the most recent posts on top and we could just see everything from people we already follow.
Acting award go to you. 🙌🏽
The way you returned back to a straight face. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 you did that
Hank Green had a good video about the differences in monetising UA-cam/Insta/TikTok, saying that UA-cam gave you a better share, but they also force shorts to be shorter than two minutes, which is really fun for some content, but overall isn't going to be great as a replacement. Also, the interface on shorts really is terrible. IDK, friend. I'll stay here.
If the government is stupid enough to ban Tiktok, people will adapt. New apps will be made, old websites and apps will be utilized, etc. I just imagine it will be very hard for a lot of people to transition and build up an audience on a whole other platform again. It sucks. I think booktok needs a bit of revamp anyway lmao some of the babes aren’t even reading!!!
They’re not stupid. This is fully about censorship
Good, I’m glad a TikTok ban will affect publishing. That app along with a few others have ruined what books become popular and how readers find book suggestions. Now if someone could just take the self publishing button away from all these authors with zero depth, maybe we could actually get a good story.
With more creators also comes more viewers and more people in the community overall is good for everyone I think.
That may even expose tiktokers to a wider range of books and readers/creators--hopefully diversifying the books that are getting read.
Tiktok has helped foster lots of new passionate readers, but it also uplifts *a very specific type of book.* That, however, also feeds into those books getting more of the resources from publishing.
If we assume publishing has a limited amount of resources, it could be for the better if more of these resources go towards making and advertising better books.
Kinda wish we could get rid of all short-form content for the sake of everyone's attention spans.
I say this and do not have atiktok but I have fallen into watching short videos on fb, insta and youtube. And I wish we could just get away from that.
i'm not on tiktok but i enjoy the tiktoks I see that get reposted elsewhere and I am just angry about the ban for all the reasons you mentioned. not to mention it's an act of censorship and control that infuriates me. for me I would be BEREFT without Booktube so I can see how devastating this is for some users and creators
I actually don’t care if TikTok goes away. Imo they have the most annoying algorithm of them all. Sticks you in a little box and doesn’t let you out. I always felt pressured to post on there and it’s a chore compared to making UA-cam videos. I won’t miss it if it’s gone
I'm sorry all the US booktokers are losing their platform and I'm quite curious to see how this impacts the publishing industry. Will publishers look to see what the next largest book community is?
I'm also lowkey interested to see how that impacts all us on booktube., cause a lot of us have been "TikTok made me read it!" or "Latest tiktok drama" and the algo seems to be eating that content up. So besides possibly bring new creators and viewers to booktube, we'll probably get some new trends in what people want to watch. Very excited for that as often it felt like people were rushing to hate on booktok or praise it when it was often like "why we even care?"
I do think itll be banned. I hope they dont sell. I still remember the role mark played in this so its a no to fb or ig. I switched over to storygraph and fable. Ill be giving new apps a chance or itll just be youtube
I think the ban will be good and bad the positive side would be that authors and publishers won't be giving us some of the same regurgitated non sense.
I'm an oldie (i guess) that just never got into tiktok. Didn't understand how to use it for content or for just viewing, but again while I rely on my phone for a lot? I'm old school with a lot of other things in needing a proper computer, like to make content and edit and post content. It would be nice if Google/UA-cam would make the Shorts interface better and all as a result of this.
But yeah, it's not going to affect me really. Even as I plan to launch my book channel, I wasn't going to touch tiktok, just maybe get a bookstagram. I mostly find new recs through youtube and twitter/blusky. I am curious about these new book focused social media places, but no energy to check them out myself atm. XD
UA-cam is my preferred place to get my content creation stuff, I love long form content.
This is exactly why I have been backing up my youtube content since day 1 *knock on wood cause we don't need that energy here* but the reality is that apps and platforms come and go depending on what going on in the world. I will be upset about it for sure but booktube has always been here.
I was just thinking that traditional publishing just seems less and less worth it. Authors have to build their own platforms and aren’t really getting the developmental edits that they need. What’s the point?
@@Yosoybean I’ve even heard people in the industry (agents, editors) talk regretfully about how books that could have been nurtured into a quality product got picked up and pumped out as grist for the content mill by publishing companies. Even experienced, skillful authors need time and a pair of outside eyes and good advice to make the best possible product. You stare at a manuscript for too long and you lose perspective and need a fresh gaze from people you trust to understand what you’re trying to make and how to help you make it the best it can be! Such a shame.
I'm over here, also being offended that some clock app peeps don't think BookTube is a thing. I've wrap up over 1500 books I have read during my time on BookTube, and it is endlessly frustrating every time I hear about BookTubers being diminished or dismissed like this.
The current book market is like crumbl cookies: Pretty on the outside, undercooked when you get into it. Overall, gross and overpriced. 🍪💵
Some of us never stopped blogging, lol. I just hope we don't return to the days of authors' street teams *runs away screaming*
I'm used to transitioning/moving on from platforms that have become defunct, so I get this. I used to love Twitter too and moving on from there has been hard. But I am glad that I had multiple places to land. I'm hoping blogging comes back more.
I love UA-cam/Booktube so I'm here and seated. And I'm thinking anything could happen last minute. We'll see.
I agree with everything you say. Right now, it's on Justice Roberts's desk. He can vote by himself if he wants the court to hear this. It's one of the perks, I guess, of being the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. I also think that the publishing companies will have to go back to how they use to publish. And that will be a bad thing for those that want to publish more diverse books. Publishing houses won't have the guarantee that the book will sell like they had with tiktok. However, if the court does rule that the ban does violate the first amendment, or Trump tells his Attorney general to not proscute, if the Google and Apple stores don't take it down. Then that will make the law very hard to prosecute.
I hope that other platforms improve, but if they didn't do that with the popularity of TikTok then I don't know if they will make the effort now-I can still hope. Instagram use to be my favourite, but with the algorithm pushing accounts into my feed despite the fact that I don't follow them just gets on my nerves. Then there are the excessive company ads-now and then-okay they want to make a profit, but there are too many now. I wish there would be an option to just show photos since reels oversimulate me, but I know I'm probably in the minority. The reason for the ban doesn't make sense. Every app collects user data. User data privacy and national security in every country is very important and should be addressed. It's the hypocrisy on top of the stipulation of forcing a foreign company to divest that make me give this a major side-eye as someone who doesn't even use TikTok but for future implications. If other countries start to do the same, things are going to get really "interesting".
I occasionally use tiktok but for short periods and the fyp is a mess. Don't people know how to download apps or whatever equivalent? I feel like it will go that way.... Idk if Apple can side load apps though.
I blog but I haven't since March because I was trying to be more active on TikTok. I'm really going to miss it.
i don't have tiktok on my phone because otherwise i'd just rot in bed for 3 business years 💀 but i do upload twitch/gaming clips there so it's gonna suck not having that
then again, i feel shitty just uploading and not supporting anyone else so i guess i can't complain too much 😅
THE ACADEMY AWARDING WINNING CROCODILE TEARS FOR TIKTOK 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think if the USA government can find a way to gain the lion's share of the profits on TT somehow, it'll be fine. This is 100% a money play, and honestly given the demand for short-form content, a USA company will be right here to pick back up where TT left off, the way TT piggybacked off of Vine.
I don’t know how the ban will affect me ? I don’t use TikTok so maybe in some indirect way..
I hope most come to youtube. I prefer this platform over anything else. I don't care for TT or IG or Shorts.
People can make short form videos on youtube.
Are you planning to join bluesky?
7:50 oh, it's a relief to know instagram algorithm hates everyone and not just me😅
Is it not possible to use VPN?
It is possible to use one but the general audience won’t.
Have been Googling this but seeing a bunch of stuff about TikTok banning accounts that use a VPN.
@@ofthewilderwoods okay makes sense, thanks for your help
majority population usually don't know how, or even that vpn is a thing, and most people are addicted to mindless scrolling so it's just easier to switch apps instead of making the effort it takes to click an extra button on a vpn app/extension.
I hope TikTok does not sale, but if they do the app will be vastly different than it is now. They may sale the app but they will not include the algorithm.
I have so many folders too. Recipes, exercise stuff, history, so much useful stuff. Dont get me wrong - i love dumb animal videos & people beefing with each too. I'm wondering if anti-trust laws will come into this if they do sell.
Interrestwd to see how it goes
I thought of redownloading it but my phone hardly has enough storage i think the whole ban is stupid even my sister does and she doesnt really keep up with politics
It's gonna hurt indie bookstores too
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Lets make a tumblr community. I'm laughing about it but maybeeee...
Wow. Trump really said my very first move as president is to bring that TikTok ban back. I was on TikTok when it first came out. Before it ever hit the States. Back then it was all Chinese artists and vloggers and Indian uni students. It was a blast. I came off after it hit the West though. Just wasn't the same. Wondering if I should go back now that they're kicking the Merikans off! 🤣🤣 I won't, but damn. I am sorry for yu'all. That's tough.
Honestly, I expect tiktok to sell.
I think it is more likely that Musty is lining up to buy Tiktok which we know is going to be a hellscape. I'm gearing back up to come back here 😢.
I don’t post booktok content but I do on bookstagram. It definitely is the trenches with trying to post reviews and talk about books. It feels like no one wants to see those kinds of post, so I’ve been thinking about blogging or just seeing what next app they come up with :)