Was hoping to find a decent conversation about how hard it is to deal with the moral aspects of supporting bad people. Instead it was mostly whinning that other people have stronger convictions and greater clarity of the impacts of their actions. Wanting the tatoo is fine. Not understanding that other people are more impacted by this struggle and have stronger opinions than you is a disappointment. Edit: corrected typos. Also: not trying to accuse, I have things i like from problematic people too. It sucks when they tarnish their own creations.
Fair assessment. I try to mention in this clip that everyone can hold on to their own beliefs but perhaps I didn't portray that the best that I could have.
Your story hit me differently. In New Zealand, tattoos (moko) have a cultural significance that's deeply tied to Māori identity, and the art of tattooing is a spiritual practise. It's common for tattoo artists to refuse customers if they believe the client wants a tattoo for the wrong reason, or the vibe isn't right. The artist might refer the customer to someone else if they believe they're a better match. Westerners tend to look at tattoos as a product. Sure, JKR wouldn't make money from your design, but as you said, you were looking for someone to put their personal flair into something you already had. You were after the tattooist's art. In my mind, creating art is a spiritual practise (like being queer is part of someone's spirit) and if you're asking the tattooist to create something they don't vibe with, they have every right to decline.
7:34 right on Spencer! It’s not like we’re supporting some up and comer who also has really awful moral views. These people will not be placed in an Uber powerful position because of my $20.
@@iSamwise exactly. Like I choose not to support up and comer authors who are using AI to write/narrate/cover art because my money actually goes straight to them and allows them to keep doing that. But I would be extremely surprised if even $20 of my money has ever made it to someone like Rowling, let alone the fact that I could spend thousands and thousands of dollars on HP stuff and it would literally just be going to her great grandkids at this point cause she could never spend her entire wealth in her lifetime.
The golden snitch was an asinine element from the boy wizard books, nothing makes it as obviously as that thing that Rowling is just bad at worldbuilding. So, aside from her being a terrible human being, you still should not get that nonsense as tattoo.
Well, if you wanted to separate yourself from art done by people of let's say "questionable" (in some cases that would be understatement of the year) reputation, you would probably need to throw away half of the music, movies, literature, games etc you own. That having said boycotting some artists because of their crimes understandable, but it will always be selective, it is not possible to boycott all.
Oh no way, I don't want to separate MYSELF from the art lol that's the exact opposite of what Separation of Art and Artist means. It means that even if the artist is a shitty person, you separate them from their art and just enjoy the art for what it is, rather than attaching all this baggage to it.
for me it totally depends on how much of the artist 's bullshit I pickup from their art, or how much I'm directly contributing money towards them, and a bunch of other contextual things. So like, nothing about Chili Peppers' goofy surreal lyrics remind me that Anthony Kleidis is a predator, but *everything* about R.Kelly's music does. Or like, I'm down to watch Harry Potter reruns because fantasy is cool, but I'm not about to watch any of Mel Gibson's like, religious or war-themed shit. I'll read HP Lovecraft all day but if he was around today I probably wouldn't like, go to his book signing for example. It really depends on a lot of context for me
Please stop apologizing you did nothing wrong. You were trying to support an artist in the era right before they are replaced by AI who will not only not judge you for your harmless choice but will have caused more harm than any human you've named in this video.
Was hoping to find a decent conversation about how hard it is to deal with the moral aspects of supporting bad people. Instead it was mostly whinning that other people have stronger convictions and greater clarity of the impacts of their actions.
Wanting the tatoo is fine. Not understanding that other people are more impacted by this struggle and have stronger opinions than you is a disappointment.
Edit: corrected typos.
Also: not trying to accuse, I have things i like from problematic people too. It sucks when they tarnish their own creations.
Fair assessment. I try to mention in this clip that everyone can hold on to their own beliefs but perhaps I didn't portray that the best that I could have.
Your story hit me differently. In New Zealand, tattoos (moko) have a cultural significance that's deeply tied to Māori identity, and the art of tattooing is a spiritual practise. It's common for tattoo artists to refuse customers if they believe the client wants a tattoo for the wrong reason, or the vibe isn't right. The artist might refer the customer to someone else if they believe they're a better match.
Westerners tend to look at tattoos as a product. Sure, JKR wouldn't make money from your design, but as you said, you were looking for someone to put their personal flair into something you already had. You were after the tattooist's art. In my mind, creating art is a spiritual practise (like being queer is part of someone's spirit) and if you're asking the tattooist to create something they don't vibe with, they have every right to decline.
Hey fair enough. I'm not here to argue with anyone or put down anyone's beliefs, I just see it a bit differently.
7:34 right on Spencer! It’s not like we’re supporting some up and comer who also has really awful moral views. These people will not be placed in an Uber powerful position because of my $20.
@@iSamwise exactly. Like I choose not to support up and comer authors who are using AI to write/narrate/cover art because my money actually goes straight to them and allows them to keep doing that. But I would be extremely surprised if even $20 of my money has ever made it to someone like Rowling, let alone the fact that I could spend thousands and thousands of dollars on HP stuff and it would literally just be going to her great grandkids at this point cause she could never spend her entire wealth in her lifetime.
The golden snitch was an asinine element from the boy wizard books, nothing makes it as obviously as that thing that Rowling is just bad at worldbuilding. So, aside from her being a terrible human being, you still should not get that nonsense as tattoo.
idk I just love the snitch and it's an iconic part of the books. Did quidditch as a sport make sense? No. Was it awesome? Yeah.
Well, if you wanted to separate yourself from art done by people of let's say "questionable" (in some cases that would be understatement of the year) reputation, you would probably need to throw away half of the music, movies, literature, games etc you own. That having said boycotting some artists because of their crimes understandable, but it will always be selective, it is not possible to boycott all.
Oh no way, I don't want to separate MYSELF from the art lol that's the exact opposite of what Separation of Art and Artist means. It means that even if the artist is a shitty person, you separate them from their art and just enjoy the art for what it is, rather than attaching all this baggage to it.
What are you saying? JK Rowling is awesome!!!
for me it totally depends on how much of the artist 's bullshit I pickup from their art, or how much I'm directly contributing money towards them, and a bunch of other contextual things. So like, nothing about Chili Peppers' goofy surreal lyrics remind me that Anthony Kleidis is a predator, but *everything* about R.Kelly's music does. Or like, I'm down to watch Harry Potter reruns because fantasy is cool, but I'm not about to watch any of Mel Gibson's like, religious or war-themed shit. I'll read HP Lovecraft all day but if he was around today I probably wouldn't like, go to his book signing for example. It really depends on a lot of context for me
hey fair points!
Please stop apologizing you did nothing wrong. You were trying to support an artist in the era right before they are replaced by AI who will not only not judge you for your harmless choice but will have caused more harm than any human you've named in this video.
He might as well have said “I can’t do a tattoo of a sword either because those are used to kill people”, are we serious?
for real 😂 we're just being silly at that point hahah