👍🏻😎 I started in this hobby back in 1988 and the first Cichlids I had were Angel fish and they thrived and bred like crazy. I'd have to say they are much easier than Discus.
They function 90% the same coming from someone who bred them both extensively including wild discus. The only difference making up the 10% is from my experience angels are just plain dumber than discus and tend to go towards aggression WAY quicker over little things. But other then that its the same GH KH and PH, the same ideal temp 74f-86f, the same food. They breed nearly the same way as well every two weeks on a vertical flat surface, other then you needing to pull angel swimmers vs discus you can let them raise them. One weird thing I don't understand with the fish keeping hobby is the temperature requirements people have come to the conclusion these two species need. The amazon river fluctuates between around 65f-95f depending on the time of year heat waves or cold fronts and location yet these fish survived millions of years their. Angels and discus are very hardy fish temp wish and do fine and breed as long as you keep their water above the mid 60's and under the mid 90's. It's weird that people think these two need different temps even though they evolved from the exact same place.
Great post, yes I feel the same about the temperatures too. I keep mone 85 summer and 87 winter at least for now as they are still growing. All the other fish with them should be in the 70s. But they are mainly Amazonian fish and do just fine at 85. The eel is from Asia but similar tropical environment all the same. Does fine. I found my Angels in the past didn't need much care. Took alot of abuse, they just don't die. Discus seem more fragile, or I should say more prone to genetic weakness. A Discus with good Gene's is solid never get sick. But you buy a batch of 15 babies. You get 2 or 3 solid strong adults, the others are fragile. Could be I am dealing with slim pickings in my city, so there could be a quality issue overall.
@@DiscusNT 2 or 3 healthy adults out of 15 babies is actually pretty bad I wasn't really losing any of the ones I was getting once they where about silver dollar coin sized, you may want to look for a new supplier. The issue with doing that though is a lot of the people breeding discus are getting them from the same original breeding facilities. From experience the wild and European bred ones tend to be more robust while the ones coming out of Asia had the most genetic issues. With American bred ones being in between do to mixing of the other sources. I'd suggest trying Discus Hans or Jack Wattley. Hans tends to get his from Europe and Wattley usually has a decent supply of wilds and Europeans. A good way to make your captive breed discus more robust is to reintroduce wild genes back into them and then slowly breed out the wild traits over a few generations. I look at it as a pick me up. When we breed captive fish over and over even if we buy new fish to breed with our fish, and are trying to avoid inbreeding its inevitable to happen when their are so few original captive breeding sources to begin with. As for angels, from my experience scalare angels are a nightmare when it comes to being inbred in the hobby. I actually have up as nearly every other one I bred has some form of pectoral fin deformity of some kind. I tend to prefer altums or dwarf leopoldi's when it comes to angels. They are typically way more wild caught and WAY more genetically robust. I'm happy you guys find them so easy but I just never had luck with scalare angels. Discus where always the easy ones for me.
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I had in the past 2 nice angels fish and they were so easy to care for. Had them in a fake planted 20H tank.
👍🏻😎 I started in this hobby back in 1988 and the first Cichlids I had were Angel fish and they thrived and bred like crazy. I'd have to say they are much easier than Discus.
I agree
In my experience discus are definitely more problematic than angels, especially when it comes to feeding habits
I agree 100%, ty for your comment and opinion :)
They function 90% the same coming from someone who bred them both extensively including wild discus. The only difference making up the 10% is from my experience angels are just plain dumber than discus and tend to go towards aggression WAY quicker over little things.
But other then that its the same GH KH and PH, the same ideal temp 74f-86f, the same food. They breed nearly the same way as well every two weeks on a vertical flat surface, other then you needing to pull angel swimmers vs discus you can let them raise them.
One weird thing I don't understand with the fish keeping hobby is the temperature requirements people have come to the conclusion these two species need. The amazon river fluctuates between around 65f-95f depending on the time of year heat waves or cold fronts and location yet these fish survived millions of years their. Angels and discus are very hardy fish temp wish and do fine and breed as long as you keep their water above the mid 60's and under the mid 90's. It's weird that people think these two need different temps even though they evolved from the exact same place.
Great post, yes I feel the same about the temperatures too. I keep mone 85 summer and 87 winter at least for now as they are still growing. All the other fish with them should be in the 70s. But they are mainly Amazonian fish and do just fine at 85. The eel is from Asia but similar tropical environment all the same. Does fine. I found my Angels in the past didn't need much care. Took alot of abuse, they just don't die. Discus seem more fragile, or I should say more prone to genetic weakness. A Discus with good Gene's is solid never get sick. But you buy a batch of 15 babies. You get 2 or 3 solid strong adults, the others are fragile. Could be I am dealing with slim pickings in my city, so there could be a quality issue overall.
@@DiscusNT 2 or 3 healthy adults out of 15 babies is actually pretty bad I wasn't really losing any of the ones I was getting once they where about silver dollar coin sized, you may want to look for a new supplier. The issue with doing that though is a lot of the people breeding discus are getting them from the same original breeding facilities. From experience the wild and European bred ones tend to be more robust while the ones coming out of Asia had the most genetic issues. With American bred ones being in between do to mixing of the other sources.
I'd suggest trying Discus Hans or Jack Wattley. Hans tends to get his from Europe and Wattley usually has a decent supply of wilds and Europeans.
A good way to make your captive breed discus more robust is to reintroduce wild genes back into them and then slowly breed out the wild traits over a few generations. I look at it as a pick me up. When we breed captive fish over and over even if we buy new fish to breed with our fish, and are trying to avoid inbreeding its inevitable to happen when their are so few original captive breeding sources to begin with.
As for angels, from my experience scalare angels are a nightmare when it comes to being inbred in the hobby. I actually have up as nearly every other one I bred has some form of pectoral fin deformity of some kind. I tend to prefer altums or dwarf leopoldi's when it comes to angels. They are typically way more wild caught and WAY more genetically robust. I'm happy you guys find them so easy but I just never had luck with scalare angels. Discus where always the easy ones for me.
Are they fully grown?
My fish no, most of them have several months of growth left.