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Since MC 33 I've been trying to get you to fix the off ramp for the highway by your transit hub. The off ramp after crossing the bridge is allowing right turns from the lane meant for only left turns.
@@izzatsufian2796 There is a mod for road texture replacing and one that makes new textures for a new faction... so it's possible, but I don't know that a dedicated texture replace is out there yet. Early days of official modding though.. I'd expect to see it in the future!
@@AgentX2006 Hold that thought - episode 40 is going to be a mulligan episode and tour of the build. I'll add this to the list, but I'm going to encourage anyone that has a fix like this to get it to me, then we'll handing a boat load of them at once
Since MC 33 I've been trying to get you to fix the off ramp for the highway by your transit hub. The off ramp after crossing the bridge is allowing right turns from the lane meant for only left turns.
Hold that thought - episode 40 is going to be a mulligan episode and tour of the build. I'll add this to the list, but I'm going to encourage anyone that has a fix like this to get it to me, then we'll handing a boat load of them at once
It's the main reason I've been focusing so much on this series, rather than other videos. It's starting to click and I'm really enjoying putting these together!
Definitely agree with that. These last few episodes have been so much fun to watch. The ever developing storyline and the way Bend and Paradise Bay are growing and more importantly changing. That's one of the reason I subscribed back during the Verde Beach days, because Phil isn't afraid to redevelop areas.
the 45m - hour long videos i think are the right way to go. Get alot accomplished and a little bit of everything from detailing to road work etc. Even get to hear more of the crunchy music playlist as well!
If I can submit a neighborhood name: Farmer’s Glade. This area was a bunch of farms that funded the growth of the area. It would be a good homage to the families.
If I recall correctly, the Township of Milan was named after the italian city. I would love the name Riva Milan (Riva is italian for Riverbank), for Sunrise Dale. So that some history could be preserved. Also I find this name very fancy and it could be some hipster tourist heaven.
22:25 - Marinas usually have ramps _parallel_ to the key wall to solve the problem you are having there - i.e. having the piers close, but not wanting a steep ramp. The other solution is a ramp that goes down to the middle of a pier and you can walk back towards the key wall around the ramp. [Also: It's really cool that Bend is showing -Fort Johnson- Paradise across the river how to do growth properly: up, not out. It'll be interesting to see if Sheila finally learns something when she can see it from her porch...]
I think the Marina needs soome sort of break water around it. I know its a river and so you dont exect much wave action but the breakwater also helps with wakes from other vessels passing by
At 15:00 it's not an optical illusion, the path does get narrower the larger the angle, you'd need to extend the outside edge of the path as it comes out of the observation park to allow for the turn :) similar to what you did at 19:00
absolutely love this episode!!! the marina and the rock wall remind me of my childhood, especially running and jumping across the rocks to get as close to the water as possible. i think its a really great addition to the build. my only concern is that the new bridge might not be tall enough for a sailboat to fit under!
Just a weird bit of info for all of those builders that haven't researched the rules on paths and roads. (Seeing Phil put in all the paths reminded me.) The maximum path slope allowed is about 8% (1:12) - this is for wheelchair accessibility - paths through forests need not follow this rule. For Cities Skylines, each unit (square) is supposed to be 8 metres, and each elevation line is 1 metre. So to make your pedestrian path slopes legal, you can go down 2 elevation lines for every 3 units (squares) forward. For roads, most areas limit you to 12% - 15% (1:8 to 1:6ish). So you can go up/down one elevation line for each unit (square) of road and still be acceptably safe. Where I come from (Canada), collector roads are limited to 8% (1:12 - same as wheelchair rules above), and local roads are limited to 10% (1:10 - somewhere between 1 unit forward for each elevation line and 3 units forward for every 2 elevation lines) without getting special permission. BTW - The graphics for vertical in CS is way off. The land/terrain graphics are about 2 or 3x what they would actually look like IRL. Some buildings are really badly off too - there are buildings that are supposed to be 3 storeys that are the same height in game as buildings with 5 storeys.
A comment to my heart! Most builders don't care because the game does not stop them from building stupid ramps or slopes. It should be a switch: build realistic or not?
To be fair not saying its the case, cause there's definitely some strange vertical scale issues with the assets, but you could totally have older buildings with either really tall or really shallow ceilings that have very different storey/height ratios.
Having a bit of trouble making sense of the numbers - the 8% mentioned means 8% of a piece of road's distance, right? For example, if I were building a 10-meter path, the slope over the entirety of that road would not exceed 80 cm, right? So in-game, a path taking 5 squares (which should be 40 meters, right?) would slope harsher than 4 meters, which would be 4 elevation lines, right?
@@OrganMuncher The percentage is tough to see in your head, that's why I put the ratios as well. 8% is a 1 to 12 ratio. So for one level of elevation the path should go forward 12 meters, or 1 1/2 squares. So for going up 4 levels, you want the path to go forward (4x1.5 =) 6 squares.
Naming suggestion: you should rename Chestnut Croft to Elizabeth Valley as the road Elizabeth Lane was the first road in that area and it was named after a local resident who developed a few houses in the area. Her name is Catherine Elizabeth, although she goes by her nickname “Happy” Elizabeth as she always has a smile on her face.
I like the waterfront concept but don't think the marina configuration would work in practice. I'm a little concerned about the strength of the river's flow and how that will impact vessels tied to the docks or on floating docks so constructing some kind of longer outer dock that serves as a buffer for the inner marina would serve a double purpose of creating an artificial calm area for the boats while also creating longer mooring locations for larger vessels. I'm also curious about the height of the bridges between the marina and the lake and what the necessary height cap would be on vessels at that marina. I'm guessing no sailing vessels would be able to use it, so it would be mostly motorized pleasure craft. I could also see the orientation of the marina taking a different geometry to maximize available slips and space for moorings.
I had the same thoughts, there would need to be a break wall st least I’d think unless it’s a super calm bit of river? I’m no marina expert though… also I noticed the space between the slips seems too small, I know Phil was just trying to achieve a look though and he got it.
and how about the space to manouver and getting in/out of the boats with all those raillings 21:54 ! Even with the mast down, a sailing vessel could not pass most bridges. And pleasure boats are not that low too, if you do not mean rowing boats.
Bridge height does seem to be a real concern. A lot of recreational boats on the Great Lakes are sailboats. You'd most likely see some drawbridges to enable access in cities like this.
Ahh shoot, that makes me realize that I totally forgot to show the flow for this bit of river. It's pretty calm, which is one of the reasons I figured I might be able to get way with this. As far as the boats I imagined here, mostly smaller pleasure craft, sail boats and the like. I do agree though that the bridge is too low and that some sort of a breakwater would still be beneficial. Great suggestions!
I have a suggestion for the name of the hospital, the Elizabeth R Memorial Hospital, named after my mother who passed away this year from cancer. I discovered your channel around the time she passed and your videos have helped me and continue to help me get through it. It would really mean a lot to see that kind of thing in the build that was always there to comfort me!
so good to see Bend getting some TLC, been neglected for so long. I like the natural look but this feels more appropriate for an expanding urban center
I think we'll probably have a mix of both. On the other side of main street, I kind of dig the natural look, too. We'll see though - expansion is coming!
The park at the hospital looks great. Finally patients have a place to get a break from the sterile, white hallways and constant beeping of machines. The new waterfront also looks amazing - Someone really needs to make a brush that can paint props to save you from a hospital visit yourself. 😖
Yeah I feel it should be raised a little and have a slight arch to it so taller boats like sailboats, fishing boats, small yachts, etc. can fit under the middle of it even in a storm
A little suggestion for the marina: A fueling station! At least here in Finland the marinas usually have a small fuel tank and a pump for those bigger boats with internal engines. Not sure if there is a fuel pump prop but I guess there are some small transformer boxes or something that'll do the trick 👀
To be fair, I heard it as the same, then realized he meant "can get away with." As in, a small roundabout would be too small to handle the traffic on the road, but a gigantic roundabout would be silly. I like the comprise he came up with.
I watched a lot during the Cities Skylines 1 era and enjoyed it so much. Unfortunately took a break from watching, and recently started again and got back into Cities Skylines 2 and I’m so hooked again 🥹
@@Keikdv Not sure what you mean, but "we" in Europe park in pretty much all the ways available in the game. I have parallel, diagonal and 90° parking lots all within a short walking distance from my home.
1. I really think we need to up the education pipeline. Not nearly enough elementary schools; also can bump up all the way through a medical school given the regional hospital! Think Madison, WI 2. The downtown bend area would thrive with more mixed use and more urban education. 3. The downtown bend area really needs more parking. I think adding an underground deck in the shoreline park (think Millennium Park in Chicago) would be a great solution-these surface level parking lots aren’t cutting it and are resulting in a ton of traffic [or maybe public transit needs beefing up]
Fantastic thoughts and I agree with all of them. Specifically regarding the elementary schools - it's been a huge issue for a while and it's about time that we actually fix it.
Honestly? That special Condo building meshes EXTREMELY well with the tourist draw of the observation tower, especially with the newly finished shoreline. Those folks in Lakeview though still havent been re-connected with the rest of the community. They deserve connectivity.
45:25 There's a tiny strip of grass poking out between the surface and the path. Otherwise the square (the the whole waterfront) looks great. Also R.I.P. Phil's finger
I did get that fixed but didn't highlight it (unfortunately). And hahaha, thankfully recovered... but more shoreline improvements are coming, so who knows for how long!
As much as you say you're not a detailer, watching you detail the city is like therapy for me. It's so peaceful and beautiful. I hope you never stop making these videos.
44:09 I am fine with doing whatever has to be done for landscaping. For all other times, I'd like the season to match the real life northern hemisphere season!
I know why this is one of yours and mine favorite builds in the series, it's because it looks amazing❤❤❤❤. Also thank you so much for addressing the park situation next to the hospital, and explaining why you built so much parking. Now this will sound or be hypocritical, but often, and this time, when you build high density residential you don't add nearly enough parking, and i know it's ugly but in the us we suck it up or hide it in a building or underground. Again, the build looks amazing, the coast, the new bridge really adds to the city, the spire is in a beautiful spot and the marina is a nice detail.
Gosh, I love how you've structured your videos! They feel balanced, and leave me satisfied (sometimes hungry for more) every single time! Easily one of my top 3 favorite UA-camrs of all time!
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There's nothing wrong with grading the terrain while building. It's when you undo all of the changes that you made that it becomes truly de-grading. ba-dum-TSSS!
@33:00 maybe a parking garage for the new tower? In fact, maybe place it in the middle to be used by that entire development block (where the ped path is going through, between Main and Belmont by the marina facility buildings)
As far as new names go, I love Cathedral Park, which is a public park partly under the St. John's bridge in Portland, OR. The park gets its name because the buttresses on the underside of the bridge make it look like the roof of a cathedral. It really is an amazing little park and neighborhood.
I grew up in Chicago and hate snow - moved to California to get away from it. So, when I play I generally set to Spring and let the game progress through Autumn before skipping winter completely.
As a Washingtionion Citizen it makes me Happy to see a Famous Landmark from our Major City be put in a New Area, I have been watching this for awhile keep up the work man!
Love the new coastline. I have two suggestions: first, for the marina next to the tower, you should add one more marina the size of the others, coming out of the corner at 45°, that empty corner looks like wasted space for marina rental. Second, for one of those streets that you were originally going to put your bridge across, if you add "Ferry" to the street name (I can't recall its name, but if it's Sunshine Street now, call it Sunshine Ferry?) you give history and story to the apparent old ferry crossing, which wasn't used for bridge placement. This was a great episode, Phil, it looks beautiful. If it were me, I'd pick Autumn to plant trees, so you know what fall colors you get, but I suppose if you know your varieties that's not necessary.
The waterfront near the marina would have been a *brilliant* place for some medium-high density mixed-use zoning. It would have been great for both providing great views for residents on higher floors, while also providing cafes & convenience stores for people walking along the riverfront from the viewing tower or coming off their boats.
Even though it's a minor detail of the video in the add but as an European, thank you for thinking about us, when talking about time! Greetings from Germany
15:02 Just because both lines are leaving at the same angle, it doesn’t mean their width remains the same. Imagine if you wanted to have both lines take a 90 deg turn instead of 145; the lines would be overlapping. That’s not an optical illusion, the width has definitely decreased. But you are correct that the lines have remained parallel.
Flexing Bend! Finally Bend is getting some love. Some naming suggestions: 1.Not much of a naming suggestion but I suggest keeping the name Fruitvale and just annexing the whole township to Bend (for Sunrise Dale) 2. For Mulberry Dale, since you did take it off from the Township of Milan, we can call it "Lombard Lakeshore" or "Riva Lombarda" 3. For Chestnut Croft, we can keep it simple as "Milan Triangle". This way even if we further urbanize and the township does get fully absorbed by the city, the name remains. Edit: also, not the biggest fan of the parts of the marina too close to the bridge. I wonder how much it would change the river flow. The smaller marina tucked in near the blue roofed housing looks a bit better and more sheltered.
How do you feel about a 4-5 floor parking garage in downtown maybe off a smaller street? Honestly there is a lot of density in the downtown area but realistically most of the residents would have cars. With the extra tourist facilities, maybe the current parking space is not enough.
Classic city planner. Some areas have square miles of parking. The downtown area on the other hand, which is the planner's pet project in any city, never has parking even for the people who live there. Aside from not liking (postmodern) cities to begin with, I cannot fathom why someone would live somewhere so crowded, where you can't have the decency of a place to put your car, and lack greenspace. I make a point in my cities to try and keep up with parking in a balanced manner. Last night, I realized I had inadvertently made a whole medium density neighborhood with major attractions and only on-street parking. I narrowed up the roads and put the parking in consolidated garages behind buildings where possible.
@@NightKnight347 A lot of cities solve this with underground parking facilities under high-density buildings/areas. It's a shame it's not an asset in CS to date, but hopefully they see the light and add it in some day.
Cider grove is called so because of the production of apples for apple cider during the 1800's. It stopped doing so after prohibition, but the apple trees and name remained. You pick which area it fits for 👍🏻
For neighborhood names: I'd say that sunrise dale could be changed to like Milan banks or something to that affect to pay homage to the old township. Chestnut croft could be changed to Williams View or Williamson, in reference to the farm across the street, the name is hotly debated whether it's a jab at/a compliment to the notorious farmers across the street, but publicly the planners say that it is meant to honor the Williams family and their connection to the land. I think it fits well with the slightly passive aggressive names like Governors Hill and stuff. For Mulberry dale it could be called Inferior it's funny it fits with the lake, why not? haha
Love the riverside! Absolutely one of your best. Might include a few gazebos and benches, but that's getting nitty gritty so it's alright. For the awkward parcel where you put the two identical mixed use buildings. Maybe try to plop another, smaller buildin in the wider end of the block to get a more enveloped feeling, instead of the flat bare concrete wall
Looks great, Phil! I think you should add more fishing piers, and/or the restaurant on a pier over the improved breakwater area. If I was walking along those paths, I would want a spot to stop and hang out like that.
Sunrise Dale = River Square. Could be a nice office park with tall buildings, an entertainment district, or a park area welcoming all the traffic to the new area.
I think it would be nice to have a harbourmaster's house and offices near the marina warehouses, somewhere small where paperwork can be done, seamanship training courses can be held and sailors can go to get showers. in my experience of marinas here in the UK that kind of amenity is important, and I think a little complex of those buildings could be very cute.
Two ideas for Mulberry Dale as a name 1. Eden Shores - Named in parody of Paradise Bay because Bend has some people in charge who aren't above some more petty antics. 2. Como - Another commenter suggested a name based on Milan being named after the Italian city, Como is a lake just to the north of Milan and makes the area feel like a lot of the naming was taken from that specific region of Italy.
You should put a small dry dock or graving dock. Add some ship building industry to the area. Which is common to Wisconsin. Espevially around Marinette, Sturgeon Bay, and Sheboygan.
I love this series, nice new water front and downtown and an iconic landmark :) Thoughts: The diagonal parking on the road leading to the bridge seems very unsafe, especially as that road is going to be an arterial with the new development. The Williams are gonna be furious, especially as it's actually a prime location for the highway intersection to easily get into Bend. I also suggest a path between the hospital park and the offices for employee breaks. :)
A great name for Sunrise Dale would be Riverbend Shores. The story is after Bend county officials explained their plan to redevelop low density residential into high density buildings, the families were upset. They did not want to live in a high rise however, they wanted the ability to live close to the river. Bend officials came up with a plan to move the families on the other side of the river. Also, to make sure they still feel like a part of the city they gave it a familiar name. Riverbend Shores
I love this revitalization Project! the shoreline look a lot mroe controlled, we can feel there have been some serious investments. I do notice that next to the bridge, there is a big patch of flat land were you put nothing, and I wonder if this wouldn't be prime land for development, maybe some high-rent housing, with a nice view on the river. Some people would complain that there is encroachment on the next side of the street, but hey, Rich people tend to do Rich people things, right? The Downtown looked a bit sparse before, you are right in focusing on redeveloppign the area, (the school was sorely needed) and I look forward to the next steps in that densification!
Finally, Downtown Bend is getting some love. I grew up in Verde Beach, so I think it's great that Bend is developing a skyline. One of the new districts should be named after a past mayor, to boost civic pride
Great video, the shoreline looks great. Some thoughts: 1) The new bridge seems fairly low, is that an illusion from the camera height or would it restrict boat traffic to/from your new marina with that side of the river? 2) There's an empty grassy spot in the new shoreline park that might be a great spot for a soccer field, perhaps with an added pedestrian crossing there 3) If that empty spot near the new elementary school still exists, that might be a good spot for a fenced-in basketball court
I think the concrete leading from the Observation Tower to Main Street should be brick rather than asphalt and maybe have some benches, a fountain, etc. added to it like the custom plaza at the 45 minute mark.
The hospital parking lot is realistic. here where I live (BC, Canada), my local hospital just turned more land into parking because their lot was always full. and it isn't even one of the largest hospitals in the region.
5:21 going left to right For the names consider some of Ripa Fields (Ripa Latin for river), BOUA (Bend Other Urban Area you could either say it was derived from an Old French Settlement and the new locals who migrated in made an acronym, then give a tribute to the old town of Milan and call it Milan Point
I feel like the marina is missing a slipway for boats to get in and out of the water and I think that the dead-end side of the boatyard buildings would be perfect for it.
Hi, Phil. How about placing a series of gazebos near the coast at the curved area of your new rock park near the bridge? Cims could hang out there and enjoy the view. Suggestion for your observation tower name: in honor of your finger pain and great dedication to rock gardening - Carpal Tower.
As part of the newly annexed land and Bend's willingness to use public funds to spur growth, I think it would be likely that a local developer would push for a minor league stadium/event center along with the accompanying "ballpark village" that all owners are pushing for (this may have to wait for more community assets). I work as a traffic engineer in the Midwest, and we are dealing with a similar situation in Colorado. I think it would also be a good opportunity to discuss the controversial nature of using taxpayer dollars to fund these types of projects (Kansas City voted no on spending the money, but Utah committed $900 million each to an NHL team and a potential MLB team). I appreciate the videos and am really enjoying the series!
This is a really specific Idea but; Few Days ago i found Tygons(it think?) unique Assets. Theres a really pretty french orchard in there that serves as a tourism amenaty now. Maybe you could add those Assets and use the orchard to turn the one next to "Sunrise Dale" in to this really pretty historic/retrohistoric tourist site. Just strikes me as the perfect situation to use that Asset. Watching you mess with the invisble paths makes me realize that ive become waaayy to comfortable with using them.
I’m not sure if you’ve name the regional hospital. My suggestion is “CPP Regional Medical Center!” Im sure you can put together where the name comes from. Really enjoy all of your content, helped and helps me create my cities functional and sustainable! Keep it up my guy! 💪🏾
It might be worth adding a few parking garages in the downtown area there is no way that what you have now is nearly enough parking especially for a tourist city
I love this Magnolia County build. Feel like I came in mid Verde Beach and loved it too, but since I have been following from the start with MC I feel more connected to it. When will the region get a theater or arena?
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Can the game customize the buildings and changing textures?
Since MC 33 I've been trying to get you to fix the off ramp for the highway by your transit hub. The off ramp after crossing the bridge is allowing right turns from the lane meant for only left turns.
@@izzatsufian2796 I dont know but there is modding coming to the game in the next patch so might be possible
@@izzatsufian2796 There is a mod for road texture replacing and one that makes new textures for a new faction... so it's possible, but I don't know that a dedicated texture replace is out there yet. Early days of official modding though.. I'd expect to see it in the future!
@@AgentX2006 Hold that thought - episode 40 is going to be a mulligan episode and tour of the build. I'll add this to the list, but I'm going to encourage anyone that has a fix like this to get it to me, then we'll handing a boat load of them at once
I like to imagine that in the far future, the Williams' farm is still there but completely surrounded by highrises. They're just that stubborn
@@ViktorVonfuling very similar to Lexington, KY, which has random old farmland in the middle of a developed area.
@@rylansdinosandmore1748 same in Indiana 😂
There's a farm in the middle of an airport somewhere in the world.
So basically it will be "Up'd"?
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Since MC 33 I've been trying to get you to fix the off ramp for the highway by your transit hub. The off ramp after crossing the bridge is allowing right turns from the lane meant for only left turns.
Hold that thought - episode 40 is going to be a mulligan episode and tour of the build. I'll add this to the list, but I'm going to encourage anyone that has a fix like this to get it to me, then we'll handing a boat load of them at once
Actually, I'll put a community post up about it now.
@@CityPlannerPlays there has been a discord post about this since the day after episode 33 😢
I feel like the CS2 series is really hitting its stride. Feels like the good old days of Verde Beach in terms of growth and promise.
It's the main reason I've been focusing so much on this series, rather than other videos. It's starting to click and I'm really enjoying putting these together!
Definitely agree with that. These last few episodes have been so much fun to watch. The ever developing storyline and the way Bend and Paradise Bay are growing and more importantly changing. That's one of the reason I subscribed back during the Verde Beach days, because Phil isn't afraid to redevelop areas.
All the development and no high school. You are a true American city planner
Who needs education when we can have tourism
@@KaitouKaiju Who cares about education when you have a shiny new building where rich people can eat on top floor.
We, surprisingly, still have excess capacity. Probably will need a new one soon, though.
@@CityPlannerPlays no way! Can we get one with a large campus, with multiple fields and amenities. Call it central district school.
the 45m - hour long videos i think are the right way to go. Get alot accomplished and a little bit of everything from detailing to road work etc. Even get to hear more of the crunchy music playlist as well!
Totally agree. Much longer and they get overwhelming, much shorter and it feels like not much can be accomplished.
If I can submit a neighborhood name: Farmer’s Glade. This area was a bunch of farms that funded the growth of the area. It would be a good homage to the families.
fully back this
If I recall correctly, the Township of Milan was named after the italian city. I would love the name Riva Milan (Riva is italian for Riverbank), for Sunrise Dale. So that some history could be preserved. Also I find this name very fancy and it could be some hipster tourist heaven.
I would suggest, to up the fancy factor, to keep the Italian spelling and call it Riva Milano
@@lucaortolani2059 even better yes!
This could actually work as the name for the whole redevelopment project too 🎉
@@lucaortolani2059 Technically, Milano is the Italian (Tuscan) exonym for the original Milaneese Lombard name, which is Milan (ironic i know)
@@truedarklander not the time or place to get into History of the Italian Language my friend😂
22:25 - Marinas usually have ramps _parallel_ to the key wall to solve the problem you are having there - i.e. having the piers close, but not wanting a steep ramp. The other solution is a ramp that goes down to the middle of a pier and you can walk back towards the key wall around the ramp.
[Also: It's really cool that Bend is showing -Fort Johnson- Paradise across the river how to do growth properly: up, not out. It'll be interesting to see if Sheila finally learns something when she can see it from her porch...]
I think the Marina needs soome sort of break water around it. I know its a river and so you dont exect much wave action but the breakwater also helps with wakes from other vessels passing by
The marinas in my city are on the convergence of 2 rivers, yet none of them have break waters. I think speed limits control the wake.
At 15:00 it's not an optical illusion, the path does get narrower the larger the angle, you'd need to extend the outside edge of the path as it comes out of the observation park to allow for the turn :) similar to what you did at 19:00
Shoot, you're totally right!
absolutely love this episode!!! the marina and the rock wall remind me of my childhood, especially running and jumping across the rocks to get as close to the water as possible. i think its a really great addition to the build. my only concern is that the new bridge might not be tall enough for a sailboat to fit under!
I'm glad that you liked this one! I think you're right about that. We need to get that fixed!
summer is absolutely the right time to landscape! changing the weather & time of year makes complete sense to me.
the shoreline looks amazing!!!
Just a weird bit of info for all of those builders that haven't researched the rules on paths and roads. (Seeing Phil put in all the paths reminded me.)
The maximum path slope allowed is about 8% (1:12) - this is for wheelchair accessibility - paths through forests need not follow this rule. For Cities Skylines, each unit (square) is supposed to be 8 metres, and each elevation line is 1 metre. So to make your pedestrian path slopes legal, you can go down 2 elevation lines for every 3 units (squares) forward.
For roads, most areas limit you to 12% - 15% (1:8 to 1:6ish). So you can go up/down one elevation line for each unit (square) of road and still be acceptably safe. Where I come from (Canada), collector roads are limited to 8% (1:12 - same as wheelchair rules above), and local roads are limited to 10% (1:10 - somewhere between 1 unit forward for each elevation line and 3 units forward for every 2 elevation lines) without getting special permission.
BTW - The graphics for vertical in CS is way off. The land/terrain graphics are about 2 or 3x what they would actually look like IRL. Some buildings are really badly off too - there are buildings that are supposed to be
3 storeys that are the same height in game as buildings with 5 storeys.
A comment to my heart! Most builders don't care because the game does not stop them from building stupid ramps or slopes. It should be a switch: build realistic or not?
To be fair not saying its the case, cause there's definitely some strange vertical scale issues with the assets, but you could totally have older buildings with either really tall or really shallow ceilings that have very different storey/height ratios.
Having a bit of trouble making sense of the numbers - the 8% mentioned means 8% of a piece of road's distance, right? For example, if I were building a 10-meter path, the slope over the entirety of that road would not exceed 80 cm, right? So in-game, a path taking 5 squares (which should be 40 meters, right?) would slope harsher than 4 meters, which would be 4 elevation lines, right?
@@OrganMuncher The percentage is tough to see in your head, that's why I put the ratios as well. 8% is a 1 to 12 ratio. So for one level of elevation the path should go forward 12 meters, or 1 1/2 squares. So for going up 4 levels, you want the path to go forward (4x1.5 =) 6 squares.
@@sol_in.victus True enough, but the terrain is similarly way off vertically. :)
Naming suggestion: you should rename Chestnut Croft to Elizabeth Valley as the road Elizabeth Lane was the first road in that area and it was named after a local resident who developed a few houses in the area. Her name is Catherine Elizabeth, although she goes by her nickname “Happy” Elizabeth as she always has a smile on her face.
I like the waterfront concept but don't think the marina configuration would work in practice. I'm a little concerned about the strength of the river's flow and how that will impact vessels tied to the docks or on floating docks so constructing some kind of longer outer dock that serves as a buffer for the inner marina would serve a double purpose of creating an artificial calm area for the boats while also creating longer mooring locations for larger vessels. I'm also curious about the height of the bridges between the marina and the lake and what the necessary height cap would be on vessels at that marina. I'm guessing no sailing vessels would be able to use it, so it would be mostly motorized pleasure craft. I could also see the orientation of the marina taking a different geometry to maximize available slips and space for moorings.
I had the same thoughts, there would need to be a break wall st least I’d think unless it’s a super calm bit of river? I’m no marina expert though… also I noticed the space between the slips seems too small, I know Phil was just trying to achieve a look though and he got it.
and how about the space to manouver and getting in/out of the boats with all those raillings 21:54 ! Even with the mast down, a sailing vessel could not pass most bridges. And pleasure boats are not that low too, if you do not mean rowing boats.
I agree the marina needs protection of some kind of pier to protect them from currents and waves or the boats will get all smashed up in heavy weather
Bridge height does seem to be a real concern. A lot of recreational boats on the Great Lakes are sailboats. You'd most likely see some drawbridges to enable access in cities like this.
Ahh shoot, that makes me realize that I totally forgot to show the flow for this bit of river. It's pretty calm, which is one of the reasons I figured I might be able to get way with this. As far as the boats I imagined here, mostly smaller pleasure craft, sail boats and the like. I do agree though that the bridge is too low and that some sort of a breakwater would still be beneficial. Great suggestions!
I have a suggestion for the name of the hospital, the Elizabeth R Memorial Hospital, named after my mother who passed away this year from cancer. I discovered your channel around the time she passed and your videos have helped me and continue to help me get through it. It would really mean a lot to see that kind of thing in the build that was always there to comfort me!
so happy we're finally getting density
same
so good to see Bend getting some TLC, been neglected for so long. I like the natural look but this feels more appropriate for an expanding urban center
I think we'll probably have a mix of both. On the other side of main street, I kind of dig the natural look, too. We'll see though - expansion is coming!
The park at the hospital looks great. Finally patients have a place to get a break from the sterile, white hallways and constant beeping of machines.
The new waterfront also looks amazing - Someone really needs to make a brush that can paint props to save you from a hospital visit yourself. 😖
Love Bends downtown waterfront redevelopment.
I do worry the new bridge is a _little_ low.
Could you imagine that bridge with a slightly bad storm
Yeah I feel it should be raised a little and have a slight arch to it so taller boats like sailboats, fishing boats, small yachts, etc. can fit under the middle of it even in a storm
@@kodabear_46 or a lifting part in the middle. Not in the game, I am afraid.
I think you're right about that! We'll have to get that fixed!
A little suggestion for the marina: A fueling station! At least here in Finland the marinas usually have a small fuel tank and a pump for those bigger boats with internal engines. Not sure if there is a fuel pump prop but I guess there are some small transformer boxes or something that'll do the trick 👀
17:05 "I'd like to use the smallest roundabout that I can".... and in true CPP fashion, uses the large one lol
To be fair, I heard it as the same, then realized he meant "can get away with." As in, a small roundabout would be too small to handle the traffic on the road, but a gigantic roundabout would be silly. I like the comprise he came up with.
I watched a lot during the Cities Skylines 1 era and enjoyed it so much. Unfortunately took a break from watching, and recently started again and got back into Cities Skylines 2 and I’m so hooked again 🥹
The diagonal parking really gives that entire area a great vibe
I am glad we in Europe park in a normal way...
@@Keikdv Not sure what you mean, but "we" in Europe park in pretty much all the ways available in the game. I have parallel, diagonal and 90° parking lots all within a short walking distance from my home.
1. I really think we need to up the education pipeline. Not nearly enough elementary schools; also can bump up all the way through a medical school given the regional hospital! Think Madison, WI
2. The downtown bend area would thrive with more mixed use and more urban education.
3. The downtown bend area really needs more parking. I think adding an underground deck in the shoreline park (think Millennium Park in Chicago) would be a great solution-these surface level parking lots aren’t cutting it and are resulting in a ton of traffic [or maybe public transit needs beefing up]
Fantastic thoughts and I agree with all of them. Specifically regarding the elementary schools - it's been a huge issue for a while and it's about time that we actually fix it.
Honestly? That special Condo building meshes EXTREMELY well with the tourist draw of the observation tower, especially with the newly finished shoreline.
Those folks in Lakeview though still havent been re-connected with the rest of the community. They deserve connectivity.
You're right! It's pretty disjointed in that area.
45:25 There's a tiny strip of grass poking out between the surface and the path. Otherwise the square (the the whole waterfront) looks great.
Also R.I.P. Phil's finger
I did get that fixed but didn't highlight it (unfortunately). And hahaha, thankfully recovered... but more shoreline improvements are coming, so who knows for how long!
As much as you say you're not a detailer, watching you detail the city is like therapy for me. It's so peaceful and beautiful. I hope you never stop making these videos.
44:09 I am fine with doing whatever has to be done for landscaping. For all other times, I'd like the season to match the real life northern hemisphere season!
I know why this is one of yours and mine favorite builds in the series, it's because it looks amazing❤❤❤❤. Also thank you so much for addressing the park situation next to the hospital, and explaining why you built so much parking. Now this will sound or be hypocritical, but often, and this time, when you build high density residential you don't add nearly enough parking, and i know it's ugly but in the us we suck it up or hide it in a building or underground.
Again, the build looks amazing, the coast, the new bridge really adds to the city, the spire is in a beautiful spot and the marina is a nice detail.
Gosh, I love how you've structured your videos! They feel balanced, and leave me satisfied (sometimes hungry for more) every single time! Easily one of my top 3 favorite UA-camrs of all time!
That was the first time in decades I was happy and excited to fully listen to an ad read. HAPPY. Not only okay, or neutral or uninterested. Straight up getting useful information delivered quickly and feeling genuinely excited about the Timberbourne update. I watched a whole hour long paid video about the update the other day and I didn't actually want to go to my PC, make steam do the update and boot up ye olde Timberbourne until now.
The density chapter had incredible detailing. I love it
Thank you!
magnolia county looks incredible! All the hard work and frustration has definitely paid off.
Hello, your video is very good for me and I love your videos for 2 years, it was a great ride from verde beach to magnolia county ❤
I am so happy Bend is finally getting some much needed attention!
Excellent stuff Phil!
Thank you so much!
There's nothing wrong with grading the terrain while building. It's when you undo all of the changes that you made that it becomes truly de-grading.
ba-dum-TSSS!
Hahaha, I love this so much
@33:00 maybe a parking garage for the new tower? In fact, maybe place it in the middle to be used by that entire development block (where the ped path is going through, between Main and Belmont by the marina facility buildings)
I love the look on the shoreline. Looks very amazing with all the work done
As far as new names go, I love Cathedral Park, which is a public park partly under the St. John's bridge in Portland, OR. The park gets its name because the buttresses on the underside of the bridge make it look like the roof of a cathedral. It really is an amazing little park and neighborhood.
I grew up in Chicago and hate snow - moved to California to get away from it. So, when I play I generally set to Spring and let the game progress through Autumn before skipping winter completely.
Great work! The shoreline at Bend looks fantastic and the increased density filled in so well.
Continuing to love your storytelling. It really makes the city come alive!
As a Washingtionion Citizen it makes me Happy to see a Famous Landmark from our Major City be put in a New Area, I have been watching this for awhile keep up the work man!
Love the new coastline. I have two suggestions: first, for the marina next to the tower, you should add one more marina the size of the others, coming out of the corner at 45°, that empty corner looks like wasted space for marina rental.
Second, for one of those streets that you were originally going to put your bridge across, if you add "Ferry" to the street name (I can't recall its name, but if it's Sunshine Street now, call it Sunshine Ferry?) you give history and story to the apparent old ferry crossing, which wasn't used for bridge placement.
This was a great episode, Phil, it looks beautiful. If it were me, I'd pick Autumn to plant trees, so you know what fall colors you get, but I suppose if you know your varieties that's not necessary.
The waterfront near the marina would have been a *brilliant* place for some medium-high density mixed-use zoning. It would have been great for both providing great views for residents on higher floors, while also providing cafes & convenience stores for people walking along the riverfront from the viewing tower or coming off their boats.
Even though it's a minor detail of the video in the add but as an European, thank you for thinking about us, when talking about time!
Greetings from Germany
15:02 Just because both lines are leaving at the same angle, it doesn’t mean their width remains the same. Imagine if you wanted to have both lines take a 90 deg turn instead of 145; the lines would be overlapping. That’s not an optical illusion, the width has definitely decreased. But you are correct that the lines have remained parallel.
Flexing Bend! Finally Bend is getting some love.
Some naming suggestions:
1.Not much of a naming suggestion but I suggest keeping the name Fruitvale and just annexing the whole township to Bend (for Sunrise Dale)
2. For Mulberry Dale, since you did take it off from the Township of Milan, we can call it "Lombard Lakeshore" or "Riva Lombarda"
3. For Chestnut Croft, we can keep it simple as "Milan Triangle". This way even if we further urbanize and the township does get fully absorbed by the city, the name remains.
Edit: also, not the biggest fan of the parts of the marina too close to the bridge. I wonder how much it would change the river flow. The smaller marina tucked in near the blue roofed housing looks a bit better and more sheltered.
Perfect timing, just let the dogs out and grabbed my morning coffee. Love a good morning MC episode ☺️
How do you feel about a 4-5 floor parking garage in downtown maybe off a smaller street? Honestly there is a lot of density in the downtown area but realistically most of the residents would have cars. With the extra tourist facilities, maybe the current parking space is not enough.
Classic city planner. Some areas have square miles of parking. The downtown area on the other hand, which is the planner's pet project in any city, never has parking even for the people who live there. Aside from not liking (postmodern) cities to begin with, I cannot fathom why someone would live somewhere so crowded, where you can't have the decency of a place to put your car, and lack greenspace.
I make a point in my cities to try and keep up with parking in a balanced manner. Last night, I realized I had inadvertently made a whole medium density neighborhood with major attractions and only on-street parking. I narrowed up the roads and put the parking in consolidated garages behind buildings where possible.
Absolutely needs it. The whole area is underparked at this point.
@@NightKnight347 A lot of cities solve this with underground parking facilities under high-density buildings/areas. It's a shame it's not an asset in CS to date, but hopefully they see the light and add it in some day.
The way you say it it really looks like Tampere is a sister city to Monterrey. :P
Cider grove is called so because of the production of apples for apple cider during the 1800's. It stopped doing so after prohibition, but the apple trees and name remained. You pick which area it fits for 👍🏻
For neighborhood names: I'd say that sunrise dale could be changed to like Milan banks or something to that affect to pay homage to the old township. Chestnut croft could be changed to Williams View or Williamson, in reference to the farm across the street, the name is hotly debated whether it's a jab at/a compliment to the notorious farmers across the street, but publicly the planners say that it is meant to honor the Williams family and their connection to the land. I think it fits well with the slightly passive aggressive names like Governors Hill and stuff. For Mulberry dale it could be called Inferior it's funny it fits with the lake, why not? haha
Love the riverside! Absolutely one of your best. Might include a few gazebos and benches, but that's getting nitty gritty so it's alright. For the awkward parcel where you put the two identical mixed use buildings. Maybe try to plop another, smaller buildin in the wider end of the block to get a more enveloped feeling, instead of the flat bare concrete wall
If the high office is too big, try the medium office zoning mod by Qoushik
Looks great, Phil! I think you should add more fishing piers, and/or the restaurant on a pier over the improved breakwater area. If I was walking along those paths, I would want a spot to stop and hang out like that.
Sunrise Dale = River Square. Could be a nice office park with tall buildings, an entertainment district, or a park area welcoming all the traffic to the new area.
I think it would be nice to have a harbourmaster's house and offices near the marina warehouses, somewhere small where paperwork can be done, seamanship training courses can be held and sailors can go to get showers. in my experience of marinas here in the UK that kind of amenity is important, and I think a little complex of those buildings could be very cute.
if your going to have a marina, you will need to raise the bridges so that sailing boats can get out of the river!
Two ideas for Mulberry Dale as a name
1. Eden Shores - Named in parody of Paradise Bay because Bend has some people in charge who aren't above some more petty antics.
2. Como - Another commenter suggested a name based on Milan being named after the Italian city, Como is a lake just to the north of Milan and makes the area feel like a lot of the naming was taken from that specific region of Italy.
You should put a small dry dock or graving dock. Add some ship building industry to the area. Which is common to Wisconsin. Espevially around Marinette, Sturgeon Bay, and Sheboygan.
I love this series, nice new water front and downtown and an iconic landmark :) Thoughts: The diagonal parking on the road leading to the bridge seems very unsafe, especially as that road is going to be an arterial with the new development. The Williams are gonna be furious, especially as it's actually a prime location for the highway intersection to easily get into Bend. I also suggest a path between the hospital park and the offices for employee breaks. :)
love the plaza park for the hospital
The new Twin Cities are off to a great start!
A great name for Sunrise Dale would be Riverbend Shores. The story is after Bend county officials explained their plan to redevelop low density residential into high density buildings, the families were upset. They did not want to live in a high rise however, they wanted the ability to live close to the river. Bend officials came up with a plan to move the families on the other side of the river. Also, to make sure they still feel like a part of the city they gave it a familiar name. Riverbend Shores
Great video as always! Love the observation tower, really adds some prestige to downtown Bend.
Love it when a new MC video drops
Timberborn sponsor spot.
I was absolutely tickled when the reached out for a sponsor spot!
I love this revitalization Project! the shoreline look a lot mroe controlled, we can feel there have been some serious investments. I do notice that next to the bridge, there is a big patch of flat land were you put nothing, and I wonder if this wouldn't be prime land for development, maybe some high-rent housing, with a nice view on the river. Some people would complain that there is encroachment on the next side of the street, but hey, Rich people tend to do Rich people things, right?
The Downtown looked a bit sparse before, you are right in focusing on redeveloppign the area, (the school was sorely needed) and I look forward to the next steps in that densification!
can we have a region tour? im confused with all the different towns
Enjoyed the entire build! The shore is most excellent. Consider the line tool to place the random boulders. Might save your mouse finger.
Finally, Downtown Bend is getting some love. I grew up in Verde Beach, so I think it's great that Bend is developing a skyline. One of the new districts should be named after a past mayor, to boost civic pride
Would love to see more medium density in the blocks around the higher development, and radiate it out as you redevelop areas into higher density
Great video, the shoreline looks great. Some thoughts:
1) The new bridge seems fairly low, is that an illusion from the camera height or would it restrict boat traffic to/from your new marina with that side of the river?
2) There's an empty grassy spot in the new shoreline park that might be a great spot for a soccer field, perhaps with an added pedestrian crossing there
3) If that empty spot near the new elementary school still exists, that might be a good spot for a fenced-in basketball court
Stunning! It looks amazing. Looks better than what you said on stream.
I am really happy to see Bend growing up. I think it really needed to get taller as a contrast to Paradise Bay going urban sprawl.
I think the concrete leading from the Observation Tower to Main Street should be brick rather than asphalt and maybe have some benches, a fountain, etc. added to it like the custom plaza at the 45 minute mark.
The hospital parking lot is realistic. here where I live (BC, Canada), my local hospital just turned more land into parking because their lot was always full. and it isn't even one of the largest hospitals in the region.
2:40 Super cute beavers that keep me coming back for more 😂😂
5:21 going left to right
For the names consider some of Ripa Fields (Ripa Latin for river), BOUA (Bend Other Urban Area you could either say it was derived from an Old French Settlement and the new locals who migrated in made an acronym, then give a tribute to the old town of Milan and call it Milan Point
You make such an amazing world and story around this that I genuinely feel bad for bend getting left out 😂 until now, love this series
One thing i miss with the shoreline are benches. places for people to sit. Looks great!
I feel like the marina is missing a slipway for boats to get in and out of the water and I think that the dead-end side of the boatyard buildings would be perfect for it.
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Ahh shoot - you're right! Will get that fixed!
You know, Cities skylines has changed ours and your lives, bringing joy to all, thank you for bringing happiness to the past, present, and future.
Never a bad day when CPP uploads
Hi, Phil. How about placing a series of gazebos near the coast at the curved area of your new rock park near the bridge? Cims could hang out there and enjoy the view.
Suggestion for your observation tower name: in honor of your finger pain and great dedication to rock gardening - Carpal Tower.
As part of the newly annexed land and Bend's willingness to use public funds to spur growth, I think it would be likely that a local developer would push for a minor league stadium/event center along with the accompanying "ballpark village" that all owners are pushing for (this may have to wait for more community assets). I work as a traffic engineer in the Midwest, and we are dealing with a similar situation in Colorado. I think it would also be a good opportunity to discuss the controversial nature of using taxpayer dollars to fund these types of projects (Kansas City voted no on spending the money, but Utah committed $900 million each to an NHL team and a potential MLB team). I appreciate the videos and am really enjoying the series!
I grew up in a town where the only industries were old folks home and a giant hospital; the parking, if anything is pretty conservative.
This is a really specific Idea but;
Few Days ago i found Tygons(it think?) unique Assets. Theres a really pretty french orchard in there that serves as a tourism amenaty now.
Maybe you could add those Assets and use the orchard to turn the one next to "Sunrise Dale" in to this really pretty historic/retrohistoric tourist site.
Just strikes me as the perfect situation to use that Asset.
Watching you mess with the invisble paths makes me realize that ive become waaayy to comfortable with using them.
I’m not sure if you’ve name the regional hospital. My suggestion is “CPP Regional Medical Center!” Im sure you can put together where the name comes from. Really enjoy all of your content, helped and helps me create my cities functional and sustainable! Keep it up my guy! 💪🏾
Looking at that shorefront---the parks functionality DLC can't come soon enough!
It might be worth adding a few parking garages in the downtown area there is no way that what you have now is nearly enough parking especially for a tourist city
I love this Magnolia County build. Feel like I came in mid Verde Beach and loved it too, but since I have been following from the start with MC I feel more connected to it. When will the region get a theater or arena?
I think you should match the time of year in the game to the real-world time of year - having winter vibes for Christmas.
suggestion: I think you should add a more iconic bridge that also functions as a landmark
Hoping we get the boat launch in the next one!!
I feel like if the towns people wanted an iconic landmark they would also want new bridges built to be unique