Machine Polish and Protect in one hit with Koch P6 | Review First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Koch Chemie P6.01
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Some further comments since filming.
a) the protection side of the product is a bit sort of short lived and not that hydrophobic
b) dont hammer the product too hard or it can gum up so work it gently and dont introduce too much heat.
other than that once you get up and running I find it a nice product to work with and I like it. Add your thoughts below please.
Huge gap in the market is someone could actually make a really good machine polish that had a half decent level of protection
@@aaron-jd1ds Exactly
It's a great product on the right paint, although I agree that the protection side isn't fantastic. It's a nightmare on soft paint though as it flashes instantly when you spread it out. To be honest, the F6 is just a better product all round.
Have you tried the equivalent Rupes product? Uno protect I think it’s called… seen some glowing reviews about that, again though not sure about the level/longevity of protection it provides
@@aaron-jd1dsUno Advanced now
As per usual big fella, cracking video and well worth a watch. I'm just dipping my toe into the world of detailing and your videos are just brilliant. Your no bullshit approach speaks volumes to me and when I do get my lazy arse off of the settee and give detailing a proper go I know that I've got your videos to fall back on should I need some advice on what I should be aiming for. 👍
thanks Al
100%
Sounds great for people using it in the trade i.e. it’s in the professional line for professionals doing paint correction on lots of cars where you can’t take ages and ages but can offer and cut and finsh with protection for a customer. At home i’d go with M3 to finish it out
Thanx for this. Was puzzling over the 'letters' & nos. Of KC. Made it totally understandable.
Excellent explanation 🇦🇺
I do like your presentation style, easy for a rank amateur to get to grips with.
Excellent info as always, objectively given and practically tested. Thank you!
Seems a bit overkill on my New Formula Red Honda S2000 paint since I used their (now old) M2.02 polish on it followed by their very good W0.01 paste wax to protect it. And to get a mirror finish on rock-hard BMW clear coat is a fantastic achievement, well played Jon! I must order up some P6 to see for myself on my brother's Orient Blue T-plate E38 735i. I'll buy 2 x 250ml BECAUSE VERY BIG CAR compared to mine. After I've extended the polish shelf in my bike shed!
i used this as my first attempt to polish my cars. found it very easy for a beginner to use, and to wipe off. results were impressive. the sealant isnt that effective so i panel wiped and used something i knew worked. the paint on my e46 seems to be quite thin so i have just purchased M3 02 to try.
I've used this myself on my daily (e61 530d with 195k miles) I was trying it out as a potential for doing single stage enhancements. Great cut/correction but the sealant is poor in my opinion, lacking decent hydrophobicity. I used it with the specific KC pads. I managed the whole car with only two pads. it's a nice product to use but i will just use a pure abrasive followed by an additional sealant instead
I've been using all the Koch polishes but for an all in one zvizzer one is my favorite. Great looking gloss but relatively expensive, supposedly due to the same reasons as the Koch AIO here with the whole higher quality and higher percentage of abrasives spiel.
Zvizzer =menzerna 👌
I’ve always understood that Zvizzer wee made by Koch not Menzerna. They behave much more closely for sure.
@@roscopervis seeing that zvizz is koch why buy zvizz I buy koch it's safer and easier;)
@@sam0275 the formulations are not exactly the same and the Zvizzer products have all got excellent reviews from those that have used them, the MC3000 in particular.
Great video John. I like koch stuff, use the water spot remover all the time, had a dark grey Volvo, and have hard water in our area, with FSE it takes the marks off with ease.
I used this product and as far as results I really liked the, but for me it would dust very quickly even at 3.5 speed and short cycle on an extremely overcast day with no visible sun outside. I basically had to go over the car again with a quick detailer to make sure I didn't leave any dusting I could have just used a regular polish/compound and followed up with long lasting spray wax instead and would have been a better experience. So because of the dusting I would never purchase again.
I used it my camper trailer it work great
Perfect timing as Iam about to use this. Would you say it is ok to use the flex purple pad you recommended for the DA8 polisher in a prior video or the orange pad? I have a MK6 Golf. Thanks.
It’s a good product that gives good cut, I find Rupes Uno Protect easier to use, not as gummy and easier to remove, but slightly less cut. IMO Uno works best with blue/yellow wool.
Yup. Just commented the same thing.
I used the M3 on my car couple weeks ago, followed by tacs system moonlight.
Both were a dream to work with.
Considering it was my 2nd attempt at polishing my car
Congratulations to 200 000 subs. I'm sure it was 180 000 a couple of weeks ago ?. Hard work pays off 👍🏼
thank you jonny for being part of the journey. each subscriber represents a person thats contributed towards this happening. without subscribers there is no channel.
Yer many congratulations
Quarter of a mill gotta be next target Jon!
Great explanation of Kock polishes. When I first started becoming more “involved” in detailing, I used Menzarna polishes. Another great product line. But this summer I invested in a new 5” Rupes DA. And in that process, I switched to their matched system. New revised pads and polishes.Gotta say, it works well. It made maintaining my car easy and for the lack of a better word, fun. I always enjoy your videos Jon. I always learn something new. 👍🏻
This and Zvizzer One are my go-to for ‘budget’ stuff where the customer wants a machine polish at a certain price point. Typically trade jobs, polishing after overspray removal or “make it less sh*t” jobs
Exactly the video that I needed, thanks!
Lovely finish, red is my favourite colour, thanks for the info on this new product, cheers John.
NOOOOO! A SWIRLLLLLL! I found myself shrinking an eye and moving toward my screen with you😅. Even among the uncivilized/unwashed masses of Texas, you'll find at least one, equally uncivilized OCD-type here. All joking aside, I have used Koch Chemie abrasives and they have been great products so time to try their AIO stuff and see how durable the protection is. Fantastic upload! Thank you!
First comment from Portsmouth. Great work!
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Good vid Jon,
Be good to see you do a comparison between the sealant version an non sealant version side by side to ‘compare & contrast’ 😏
Feeling this would be good for a quick one stage quick buff if your topping up through the year. Tempted to cover it again with something f to give it some longevity. For clay and panel wipe effort I may want to spend that extra time with a better longer lsp.
Good video as always Jon, many thanks.
I'm not sold on this product if I'm honest.
I suppose where this type of product comes in handy is a quick whizz round with a polisher on neglected paint for a decent enhancement in little time.
hey... no more angelwax.... ??
Rupes Uno Polish Sealant in one is the best so far.
Very impressive I’m just about to try Koch
I’ve always used 3m and Meguirs
I will definitely be putting in an order today for this product with corresponding pads
What others do you suggest?
I don’t need to heavy cut as I’ve done it already on our VW Transporter.
I’m going to order the FSE as well due to our water in Oxfordshire.
FSE is awesome, one of my favourite ever detailing products, you will be well impressed especially if your car is black or has dark paint
@@steverabbits yes induim grey T6
@@Geeky_detail_reviews Nice. Even nicer after using FSE 👍
i like the flex purples and oranges for 90% of of polishing. hard green can be usefull as can ultra soft red but purple and orange what I use most times. check out the koch range of pads too because they are very high quality.
@@ForensicDetailing no problem it’s all in my basket.
Would you suggest adding M3 also?
What product do you recommend for a single stage painted classic car? So no lacquer. Be interested to hear your thoughts. 👍
Something oily. Koch will be fine but Scholl us good on single stage paints
@@ForensicDetailing I find that as there is no lacquer it marks so easily and shows the finest micro scratches under LED light....very annoying
Was your car protected by ceramic coating?
I've been thinking of trying this product out myself! what pad where you using here jon? was that a lake country?
Flex orange m8
Hi Jon.
I’m planning on polishing my 3yr old black car this weekend with hex pads.
Would you go for h8 then f6 then m3, or h8 and then m3?
Or f6 and then m3?
I could also use s20 but this time as it’s the first time polishing the paintwork I’d do multiple stages.
I can't answer this m8. You need to assess the paint in person. But h8 then M3 will always work
Love how informative your videos are! Question, can you apply a wax on top of this product or will it effect the beading properties of the sealant? i use autoglyms UHD wax.
You can apply wax 9n top but then you will see beading if wax not sealant but that's ok
Great vid I have got this product and like you found the instructions not that good would you say that it’s better than auto finesse triple woul like to know your opinion on the two which you think is best I have the auto one as well but not really tried it
Would you say its better than Scholl - S20 Black 1-Step Compound?
S20 is pure abrasive not and aio
How about a head to head test? Grits one step sealant, rules uno protect and P6?
Some of us don’t have polishers I have a 2015 black Benz and a 1999 mid tan Benz the black one I ceramic coated which product in the Koch line do you recommend
This stuff is nearly $70 USD per liter here in the US
Wouldn't the heat of the cutting cure the protection? Love your videos. ✌️
Not sure what material is used m8
Ease of use very important have up on the £30 Turtle Wax Graphene Flex as it’s a nightmare to buff off
*Honestly, how does it compare to Sonax Perfect Finish products for cut?*
Can you try Roar products. We had a rep come in to our college to demonstrate vehicle refinishing. And from my testing of g3, meguiars, auto finesse, auto glym. This roar product was a joy to work with.
I've been polishing for a couple of years at an intermediate level but this product did seem the dogs b*llocks
Does it make sense to apply solid wax or P1.01 after P6.01?
Sir hoping I could use it with orange and black lake country pads? Thanks so much stay safe healthy and happy
yes m8
Hi John, how would you compare this to 3d speed .. also dose it leave white marks on black plastic trim ? Thanks
dont let any abrasive dry on black trim or rubber mate. I think the abrasive quality of this is second to none. But P6 the protection is disapointing mate its hard to know its there. 3d speed looks electric with the montan wax. Put it this way Ive kept both.
@@ForensicDetailing thanks for the reply I own a car sales and body shop .. from the body shop point of view we use a lot of Farecla .. I’m looking for something to quickly go over the sales cars so they look nice
I ordere sime suppose to be here today waiting to try it
@forensicdetailingchannel if you had to choose between this p6 or scholl s20 black which one would you go for considering sealant in p6 isn't that long lived so similar kind of product, I haven't used either but looking to get some products next month in sales
I use Koch that's what I buy when I run out I buy Koch. Scholl is high quality my world would function fine with it. Rupes as well is very tempting. Menzerna too
Hi Jon, just a question regarding the AIO Koch Chemie products, would you suggest applying a ceramic coating on top of this?
no you cant do that mate.. it will effect the coating
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for getting back to me.
I would like to finish my car with a ceramic coating, what would be my best approach? Using Koch Chemie M3 first?
I'm not there yet with DA polishers, pads and compounds. It seems like a step up into the unknown. Where do I start? Which hardware, pads and compounds do I start with? With all my cars I've not got any deep swirls. Only light. But I'm interested in this new world....
John had done a lesson series. Normally in the links. Worth doing to get the right stuff and learn what to do. Easy ONCE you know how.
Ayyy we’re over 200k 🥳🥳🥳
Hello, can i ask a question? I want to put sealant on my car before winter for protection about 6 months(fusso coat) and after winter i want to put carnauba wax to my car for less protection but better gloss. And me question is, if i have after winter still some sealant on paint, can i just wash car, decon and put carnauba wax on it? Sorry for english, i am from Slovakia. Btw i realy like yours M4, this solid grey looks amazing :)
Yes so after winter was the car. Then wipe it over with a nice panel wipe to degrease it then apply the new wax.
What would be your preference this or the Scholl S20 ? I used Scholl after your recommendation yrs ago and it’s fantastic.
S20 is pure abrasive this is aio. But I use f6 from Koch. But ironically S20 ranked higher in my comparison test. So I don't always follow my own bids. I just like Koch abrasives.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks John
Thanks Jon for demystifying the Koch Chemie product codes - super helpful.
Mate unrelated question . If you was to apply a hydrophobic sealent on your glass , what would be your top 2 choices ?
H2go or autoglanz vision for a casual cleaner sealant in one
@@ForensicDetailing much appreciated
Hi John do you think this would be ok with the orange flex pads on Japanese paint?
Yes m8
Hi Jon, you probably get this question alot but what would your go to single stage cut and finish be and then your go to finish polish with next to zero cut, I can not choose between koch and menzerna thanks. I should add that the paintwork is lightly scratched on a 3 year old bmw
Koch h9 f6 m3
@@ForensicDetailing thanks Jon
How does it compare to tac system one step ?
Better then Meguiars Ultimate compound?
imo yes
I don't believe the P means it has wax/sealant in it,. I use p201 and it is just a fine polish. So P might mean Polish....
I think your comment about Koch getting close to having to many products is pretty much spot on Jon . I was very close to purchasing some a couple of weeks ago , buy I think I ended up confusing myself the more I looked ..
I ended up going for Cartec . Equally as good I suspect but a far simpler line up .
Great video as always 👍
I use P6 for customers that are not willing to pay anything extra for a protection but want a 1 step process with some extra pop in gloss and not worrying about protection. It works well for a few weeks. Other than that, H9, F6 and M3 are the ones i use daily and not going to change it. Took sometime to get used to KCx products but they deliver what ever the task is. Its a pretty simple product line if you know what you want to do with them 👍👍
Would i be able to put a wax on top? If so what would suit as i don't see an obvious Koch Chemie product (using a DA to apply)?
yes you can wax on it mate
Had the same question, thanks!
What grit cut is this Polish? Thanks
What about CarPro Ultracut? I cant decide between kochp601 and CarPro
Koch
Jon. Jon. Help please. P3.01 vs P3.02. Both an all in one polish and finish yes ??
There 2 p3?
@@ForensicDetailing sorry. My bad. M3.01 vs M3.02.
Hello John can you use it by hand polishing please
It's designed for machine polisher
Uno or P6 ? That's the question !
Thought you'd sold this motor pal
Hi - please would you review 3M perfect it range? I am an engineer working for 3M (different division), but am interested in your views. Avid watcher of your videos.
I'll try m8
@@ForensicDetailing much appreciated! Thank you!
Legend. Ps, great video again! I used your content to gain confidence and take the plunge to machine polish my car!
What pad was you using please John?
Flex orange m8
@@ForensicDetailing Thank you John. 👍👌 Love your videos bybthe way👍👌
Did you delete Cat and Muffler yet on m3?
Not yet Dave 😁
@@ForensicDetailing I’m sure the misses is looking forward to it. 😂
Hows the durability of p6?
Low m8
Your not from Alabama, are you?
Subtitulos en Español por favor
Maravilha !
This turtle marque
🤔……………. but was that actually a SWIRL ??? 🤫
NO is norwegian :)
It leaves a hazy finish under the light .
Zee Germans
Hi, I recently bought a new 2022 Lexus GX460 (a Land Cruiser Prado everywhere else in the world) and I made a mistake by not telling the salesman I didn’t want it washed, just because I had previously bought a new car at that dealer that was near flawless.
I found myself watching your video of P601 after a recommendation I received for this exact polish from a detailing forum where I asked for a good one step with photos of my Lexus’ paint.
Lexus paint apparently is very very soft and scratches at just the presence of a dry microfiber. I noticed showroom detail guys going at it on another car in the showroom with dry microfibers and no spray detail.
It’s not devastatingly swirled/marred but for a new car is horrendous. I ordered a liter of P601, and HexLogic Quantum green pads for my friends Torq machine polisher. I’ve never used a machine.
Any tips especially for dealing with the soft paint? I read your update not to introduce to much heat, now that I’ve received my P601 it seems like I’m reading more negative reviews then positive.
Ultimately I chose it because you seemed to like it well and most people praised it as a better version of Sonax perfect finish (which was my first choice).
1st
Thanks for translating this into English for me google.
Their products are Too complicated
I'm out