55 - How to Setup & Tune a Tablesaw (Part 1 of 2)
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Our tools are no good to us if they aren't tuned up properly. As the "heart" of the workshop, its crucial that our tablesaws are configured to perform their best. So whether you are setting up a new saw, or tuning up your current one, this video guide will get you where you need to be. Part 1 covers three different methods for aligning the miter slot to the blade as well as a simple technique for attaching and leveling the extension wings.
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Marc, it’s amazing that we are still coming to these tutorials 14 years after publishing. I just moved to a new shop and needing to tune my table saw top after 8 years… great content as always. Cheers!
I am very grateful for your help, I'm a middle-aged guy who just started tinkering around the wood working world a couple of years ago. I have found wood working to be therapeutic in a variety of ways. I still consider myself a beginner at this point, and I therefore tend to check, double check.. before you know it's been a 3 hour check 🤣🤣 But I don't have any issues with doing things safely, without concerns of time. So it has truly helped me to watch your videos. Thank you again and wishing you the absolute best for years to come.
I also have a 3 hour check with my tools. Sometimes it turns into a all day thing
For my part, I actually really enjoy how long these videos are. I like how involved they are and thorough. Yeah you could say it faster, but isn't part of being a wood worker being willing to do the tedious things to do it right? These videos are exactly what I would expect from a proper wood worker.
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I absolutely love re-watching these old videos! I remember watching them when I was first starting out woodworking. Great tune up video form Norm 2.0!
Mr. Whisperer, thanks for the great information. Many years ago I bought a Ridgid TS2412. It's not the top end by any stretch, but it has been sturdy and dependable. Eventually I noticed that as material entered the front of the blade, additional material was also being removed at the rear at exit. I knew I was using the fence correctly, but it was driving me crazy. A dialed 2" cut was netting me a 1 15/16" piece. Your video saved the day. There were actually five bolt holding the motor and blade assembly to the bottom of the table. I was amazed how loose they were. I further loosened four, gave the assembly a couple of light whacks with a ball-bing, and retightened. Magic! No more biting at the far end of the blade, and my cuts are within 1/32" of what I set up for. Amazing.
I just moved into a new house with my wife, and I inherited an entire two car garage off the bonus room at the back of the house with my own driveway and slide up door. The dream shop is not far away now. I'd send you a pic, but I don't know how. Anyway, I digress - thanks again. My next a piece of furniture should be straighter now.
David Massey
I like crooked furniture. You get a sense of the frustration it caused someone. So you have to care for the flaws only he could point out.
Think about that! No one but you knew the part wasn't cut to size properly. I doubt they even noticed.
Thank you for a great video! I think it is wonderful that you are willing to show the DIY'er to do repairs on their tools with out having to PAY someone to come to your shop and shell out money for something that is pretty easy to do themselves. Thank you again!
Many of the same principles illustrated here apply to tuning up portable contractors saws as well. It helped me diagnose an issue that had developed on my Ridged 4510 that I have resolved. Thanks for the info Marc.
I almost didn't even recognize you! Nice job for 14 years of content!
This as very useful. I like that you gave us other ideas if we don't have a dial indicator.
Love the adjustable square idea. This is a great video that's easy to follow.
Some damn good info here. Thank you Wood Whisperer!
Just an awesome video - I already have a dial indicator since I do a fair bit of metalwork, so I'll probably use that method when I can, but the "field expedient" methods you show are just awesome! Definitely a few good, quick ways to check your alignment without breaking out the more involved setup - say, if the blade kicks a bit and you just want to make dead sure that you're still "on."
Thanks a million for this - truly one of the best instructional vids I've seen on UA-cam!
Just saw this. Don't know if you are checking comments but I'll make one anyway. Years ago I ran gate shears from 2' wide up to 12' wide. We used time cards, which are the same thickness as 3" X 5" index cards to shim the blades into alignment. Same principle as your blue tape but sturdier than the tape.
Thanks for this. My table saw does not have the same adjustments - but I know it can be adjusted.
I see so many people obsess about the measurements here - with guages and methods that cost more than my budget allows. I loved the stick method and the t-square method and will be using it to set up my saw. Thanks again for showing me clear ways and for saying "Three thou.... good enough for me" I agree.
Just got a new table saw will be checking these tip out tomorrow, thanks Marc
Ten years later... Still is great information, Thanks!
i was about to give you some crap about the 360p but then i realized the upload date....... GREAT JOB MAN!!!
Oh boy, does that kid look YOUNG!!!
Thanks for this video. Safety is also a consideration to have properly tuned up equipment.
great video , im new to woodworking and just bought my first table saw and glad I watched this before using it .
It took me awhile, but I was able to get the Blade parallel with the miter slot on my new Contractor's Saw good within 1 1/2 /1000ths of an inch.
I have a old Dyco combo saw bench, Planer, saw, disk sander, spindle, I use a set of brass stair gauges to test the blade to mitre slots also to make sure the fence is in alignment at each end, a 60 cm ruler fits into the stair gauge perfectly and is easy to adjust
I love watching your videos, they have taught me so much and you inspire me to do more work working projects. I know I'm going to build my mom a "weekend wall shelf" for Christmas.
Brillant video. Getting my 1st table saw tomorrow! Can't wait!
Hey Mark, I was wondering if you've ever seen the Shopsmith setup guide. Please don't laugh. In my opinion, Shopsmith has the best miter gauge that has ever been made, and one of the perks is that you can run a rod through the crossbar, lock it into place with the supplied thumbscrews, and zero the rod on one flat face of your saw blade. After that, sliding the miter gauge back and forth will cause the rod to contact the blade and you can make your adjustments for the table alignment from that.
Beautiful shop. Nice video, and the lighting in your shop looks great.
So far best video I've seen about how to tune up a table saw. Great stuff. You've got a new subscriber
thanks this helped me in my latest venture setting up my double table saw bench build over 8 days of viedoing
thanks
It could be the blade, or some other factor fixed by a standard calibration and tuneup. But one thing I didn't cover in this video that could be the culprit is flange runout. You'll need a dial indicator to test for it and you might want to do a couple of web searches to find out more information about it.
these videos are gold mines
"Your fingers are not very useful if they are not attached to your hands." lmao well said sir
Ric Hart bloody hard to pick them up off the saw too if they are no longer attached to your hands lol
Lesson learned the hard way . . . : (
@@BrantAerials Just the tip
Thank you for sharing, I can use this method to set my table saw now
Great video. Thanks
At 3:22, when you find your lucky tooth, I suggest you could use a permanent marker pen of your lucky colour and mark it prominently. Will help to easily locate the same tooth on the other side of the table.
Very helpful for my new saw
I don't think Norm Abram would approve of that coffee mug on the saw top!!!
+Colin Campbell SO TRUE!
I had to loosen all the bolts and use a big square to get me in the ball park, then a micrometer on a sled in the track to dial in squareness to a few thousandths of an inch... I found that using a table screw as a pivot only works if you are close enough to square that you only need minor angular adjustment to get the slots parallel to the blade..
Love your tuneup videos, thanks alot
Some of these methods rely on the miter slots being straight. Mine are a little screwy, so I mount the dial indicator (or ruler) on a miter slider. By using the miter gauge, you're accomplishing the same thing, so that's probably the best bet on a flaky saw.
I will be using this very soon
Why thank you sir! I really appreciate that!
lol yea I didn't notice the (PT 1) till I wrote that. So watched the second one now thx thats exactly what I needed.
They do make precision ground set-up plates for this purpose. They're better than the best blades in flatness.
No not yet. On the list though.
Thanks you for your help
Nice shop!
Question. I have an old delta 36 650 10" contractors saw, and the back of my blade is nearly an 1/8th inch to the right. I've tried loosening the trunnions to adjust it, but it wont move far enough to the left to correct the problem. Cant seem to find anything bent or broken either. Any advice?
What about using a dial indicator for blade alignment?
How to adjust the blade of my dewalt table saw? The blade is not 90° to the table at 0°. I need to tilt blade to -5° to make it perpendicular to table but 0° is the lowest.
Some good methods of blade alignment, but to me, if you can afford $2,000-$3000 bucks for a good tablesaw, you can spring for a dial indicator. It's the most accurate and can be used on other machines like the jointer. I once had a pattern maker of sixty years experience marvel at the smooth surface I got from his jointer after setting it up with an indicator (ala Bob Vaughan). He'd always just used a piece of wood.
Hi Marc - I have a rigid 4514. This is the first table saw I have owned. To set the 0 bevel they are asking me to place a combination square against the bald and make sure the square is not touching the tip of one of the teeth. Obviously if I place the square between the teeth and turn the blade it will contact the Kerf. Can you explain what they are after with this process? Thank you Mark
thanks for a good suggestion
I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem that you use sliding table saws in the us?
redstihl what is a sliding table saw?
Have you done this with your Sawstop ?....
Jason Caspers?
My cabinet table saw is vert similar, but you didn’t show what bolts you’d loosened?
I just bought a used Unisaw. The bolts the attach the table to the cabinet - should there be lock washers ? I would have thought yes, but there were not any on mine.
4:35 Clamp City! Yeah, I'd love to have all those clamps, BUT....., I can't imagine I would need that many unless I had several employees in a millworks?
christschool Great videos to watch & DO. But I don't agree with using less clamps - over the years I got myself several pipeclamps (1.5-3m long), handclamps (2-8mm span), etc., but whenever I need more I start thinking of all the heavy things lying around to use as mass. Most useful around here are stones, bricks, old batteries(Pb/lead - sorry, no gold or platinum around), etc. Try it - gravity costs nothing. Stan
being a machinist who loves woodworking i feel i am committing a crime using a 1/64" rule to do that haha.
Thanks
Very helpful
Watching this on rcn4hd love it
Thanks for the tip on how to adjust the miter slot to the blade, but isn't there a was to adjust the blade to the miter slot? If so, is one method more accurate or easier than the other?
dude's my hero
Try part two. :)
You should mark that lucky tooth with a Sharpie
Hi what is good? I'm using a dial indicator and I'm. 008 different but I'm not sure what is good
You can't. The company went out of business shortly after they opened. Well, if you can find someone to do a new paint job, you can have a custom unit. :)
I know this is an old video, but why did you put the three bits of blue tape in between the main table and the small wing??
That was interesting about aligning the tracks but I rly wanted to know how to align the fence :). My cuts are coming out slightly wider at the top than at the bottom. And since I'm making cuts which are 2 x as tall as my fence and since you can't follow a tooth around like you did in this video I'm not sure how to fix it.
Remember: you ca tune a table saw but you can’t tuna fish
#truth
What would you considered a warped table top? I recently purchased my first tablesaw and would like to know what to expect as far as flatness. Currently, I am measuring about .010 on to opposing corners.
Hi Marc.
So let's just say I'm one of those guys who is having a very difficult time convincing my wife to let me spend $150 on a machined straight edge. I have tried everything to no avail. So that being said, what would you do or use if you were in my shoes and didn't have a precise straight edge? 24 to 36 inches would be ideal and it would primarily be used to verify my jointer, table saw, and verify jointed edges. Thank you very much for any input you might have.
thank you
Hello Mark,
I was wondering if it was at all common that a cast iron top is not completely flat. I bought a new saw and I used a level to check the cast iron and it seems to be not completely flat. Does this happen sometimes? Do I have a defected saw?
Thanks for your time
Dan Ridley If you bought it brand new from a store, and its not level, I would certainly take it back!
thanks JgHaverty
You should really have a square against that rule when setting up the blade. Even a very slight skew of the rule can cause a few thousandths of inaccuracy.
Yes, I go by thousandths when setting my machines up. My Dad's a machinist, precision has been driven deeply into my brain....
hi marc,
i have a problem with my tablesaw (metabo). when i saw a piece of plywood (less than 10 mm) or when i'm crosscutting a piece of lumber the cut isn't clean, it simply isn't straight. it seems as if the blade is wobbling. what is this caused by? could it be that i need a higher quality blade? or is my miter-slot off with the blade?
sorry for my bad english, greetings from holland
@dlapp14 thank you!
What is the make of the table saw you have there....?
That's a PM2000.
Using a screw style Fclap me easier to make the adjustments in my opinion
I would do my best to convince her to let me buy a Veritas aluminum straight edge. Not cheap, but cheaper than $150. 38" for $39.50
One thought on your first method with the ruler with the 64th gradations. The way you were holding the ruler is likely to give you more than a few thousands of slop as you have nothing to ensure that you are at a consistent angle to the blade. I suspect using the miter guide set to 90 degrees to hold the ruler would be more accurate. Something to think about at any rate.
AHHH!! Coffee cup on the table saw!!
Why is it you have to rotate the blade using the same tooth when checking for parallel? (9:45)
Why can't you just slide it to the back end of the blade and check it on the tooth that is on the opposite end?
+Rob I I would imagine to account for runout in the blade itself.
+Rob I 7:30. He's eliminating variation in the saw blade's teeth. 7:22. Some of the teeth passed the dowel without grazing it and other's just slightly grazed it, so the teeth aren't all exactly the same. I suppose thermal expansions and other stresses on the saw blade can cause them to change slightly over time. Maybe on a brand new saw blade it wouldn't be an issue.
hi marc
where can I get a custom Powermatic table saw from
thanks
lmao, this video of was no use to me but damn did I enjoy it. hahahahaha
can you do a tutorial on how to tune my screwdriver
willie klassen start with 4 ounces of orange juice...
Start by clamping the tip of the screwdriver in a vise, and lightly tap the handle. Observe the frequency of oscillation...
bought a used skil table saw. my first. when i move the glade back and fourth it makes a sound. is that normal? or bad?
+Richard Cowtails What is the sound it makes?
This is a bit late, so I hope you have already taken care of this, but just curious if I may still be able to help.
i have a question when im ripping wood on my table saw the wood vibrates really bad what could be causing this and by the way i have grizzly g1023lrx table saw
Is your blade in backwards? Also, make sure that your fence is parallel with your fence--if it squeezes in on the back end, you'll get vibration and kickback...
Thanks
I meant blade parallel with your fence :)
K
You can tune a table saw, but you can't tuna fish.
but you can fish a tune..... lol
Actually you can tunnafish?
Its yummy!
friedo44 waw that’s deep
okay, thanks a lot!
I've always used my dead flat Master Plate and Super Bar with a Starrett dial indicator for aligning parallelism. I've always heard you should never use a blade to do that! Thoughts?
gracias por la información, muy útil
Try using a brass hammer, it's way easier
Why not check on the blade itself instead of a tooth? A well-built blade will have practically no warp (non-flatness) so you won't have to rotate the blade.
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one problem with the measurement set you're showing for slot to blade alignment. You don't show how you're getting the ruler square across. This is very important - there's no point in getting it to within 1/64th if your angular error amounts to up to 1/8th to 1/4 inch...!
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