If we take into account the Iliad, and strictly the Iliad, both the book and the movie are wrong. Patroclus and Achilles weren’t lovers, and they sure weren’t cousins. They were best friends, and only best friends, with Patroclus being the elder of the two. Some in antiquity read romantic undertones in this relationship, just like people do nowadays whenever they see two male best friends being friends in a tv show.
@@tokiheretoday And that’s the train of thought which began the most ancient slash shipping of all time. Funniest thing, mythologically the endgame ship for Achilles is the one everybody would least expect. Once Helen dies, she and Achilles get together in the Afterlife and make a son. The hero got the lady after all.
Keep your head down you decadent barbarian. They were bound by the sacred institution of friendship. They fought together, bled. They were like brothers. No matter how many lies you say in order to feel good about your abnormality, truth won’t change. It will always hurt you.
Could someone please tell me from what version of the movie is this originally from because there are several editions and different scenes with different music. But this one is it. The actual one. If someone could tell me youd be a Greek G-D
Great scene but...I don't know if I'm a bitch for saying I'd not be so enraged for even my closest cousin??? This is would be more of a, I don't know, lover? Just throwing out ideas here. Edit: guys...this is sarcasism XD. Yes I read the Iliad. In greek and latin. They were absolutely companions if not lovers. There was little difference and was normal for ancient Greece at the time of Homer. I was remarking on cringy America cinema was whenever they try to change history because "think of the children". They are the same folks who said Sappo's poems was gals being pals...it's literally where the word lesbian is from.
They actually are lovers :) read the song of achilles and illiad and you can clearly see that they loved each other and patroculus was acually a prince of an another country of his own
this why I hate movies, in the Iliad, Antilochus holds Achilles' arms for fear of self harm, in the Iliad, true friendship and honor, never in the Iliad would an Argive chief dishonors his friends by slapping and punishing or by chocking with foot, for even in his perversely ruinous wrath Achilles never disrespected his friends. In addition to that, and as a subjective remark, I just can't stand Brad Pitt 🤢
Keep your heads down you decadent barbarians. They were bound by the sacred institution of friendship. They fought together, bled. They were like brothers. No matter how many lies you say in order to feel good about your abnormality, truth won’t change. It will always hurt you.
“What has Hector ever done to me?”
STOP THE PAIN
NOOOO
STOPPPP
NO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Think of it this way, Achilles, he got his immortality.
Granted and said by Achilles himself, on the ship before the landing
Do you see what's there, waiting, beyond that beach? Immorality! Take it, it's yours!
I’m here because of Song of Achilles - by Madeline Miller
you're in the wrong place bestie, patroclus is his cousin in this film
@@charashley Yes I know that… It’s because the movie doesn’t want to portray homosexual relationship.
But the book readers know
If we take into account the Iliad, and strictly the Iliad, both the book and the movie are wrong. Patroclus and Achilles weren’t lovers, and they sure weren’t cousins.
They were best friends, and only best friends, with Patroclus being the elder of the two. Some in antiquity read romantic undertones in this relationship, just like people do nowadays whenever they see two male best friends being friends in a tv show.
@@ulyssesocounter8488 of course they were "bestfriends" yes yes ofc
@@tokiheretoday And that’s the train of thought which began the most ancient slash shipping of all time. Funniest thing, mythologically the endgame ship for Achilles is the one everybody would least expect. Once Helen dies, she and Achilles get together in the Afterlife and make a son. The hero got the lady after all.
I wonder how they decided who was going to tell Achilles…..draw straws? Roshambo?
Just the duty of a lieutenant I guess
@@brianlodato2354
Yeah, makes the most sense
@@thalmoragent9344 sucks to be him. I think he had better chances with drawing straws.
@@KMDragonS yea but Achilles probably kills anyone else but him
Poor patroclus😢😢😢
Achilles really wanted to be cousins with Patroclus
Keep your head down you decadent barbarian. They were bound by the sacred institution of friendship. They fought together, bled. They were like brothers. No matter how many lies you say in order to feel good about your abnormality, truth won’t change. It will always hurt you.
But it was Alabama 😅
oh, he wanted more than that...
Whenever people straight-wash gay couples, they turn them to cousins, sailor Uranus and sailor Neptune were gay lovers in Japan but cousins in the USA
Achilles and Vader sharing methods I see. 😅
I understand that reference 😂😂😂😂
Patroclus shouldn't have been there in the first place. He had NO idea what he was getting himself into. Nobody forced him to do that.
He wanted to help the Greeks, they were getting fucking destroyed.
thank u .need full movie
What is Brad Pitt wearing? I want one
Bro I can't find it ANYWHERE...nobody seems to know what's it called or where can it be found .
Its like a ponchoo
I swear I hear him saying "Patrickless" and I was thinking of Patrick from Bikini Bottom lol
Could someone please tell me from what version of the movie is this originally from because there are several editions and different scenes with different music. But this one is it. The actual one. If someone could tell me youd be a Greek G-D
Theres the theatrical cut, directors cut, and one edited specifically for television
@@doubleog6149 Do you know where I can find it ? All the Troy movies online seem to be the director's cut.
hell!
Amir Wilson is his son
Whats the name of the song pls?
Achilles suit he lokks like god
What do you call what Achilles is wearing here ?
Bro i have been trying to find out exactly what is that that he is wearing and i cant find it anywhere.... did you get an answer ?
Guys does anybody know what Achilles is wearing here ? I have been searching for days and I can't find this robe anywhere
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Great scene but...I don't know if I'm a bitch for saying I'd not be so enraged for even my closest cousin??? This is would be more of a, I don't know, lover? Just throwing out ideas here.
Edit: guys...this is sarcasism XD. Yes I read the Iliad. In greek and latin. They were absolutely companions if not lovers. There was little difference and was normal for ancient Greece at the time of Homer. I was remarking on cringy America cinema was whenever they try to change history because "think of the children". They are the same folks who said Sappo's poems was gals being pals...it's literally where the word lesbian is from.
Why? Just why?
@@morgumal she’s right
They actually are lovers :) read the song of achilles and illiad and you can clearly see that they loved each other and patroculus was acually a prince of an another country of his own
@@N02cik symposium too
@@N02cik The song of Achilles is not the Illiad?
Breanna
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this why I hate movies, in the Iliad, Antilochus holds Achilles' arms for fear of self harm, in the Iliad, true friendship and honor, never in the Iliad would an Argive chief dishonors his friends by slapping and punishing or by chocking with foot, for even in his perversely ruinous wrath Achilles never disrespected his friends.
In addition to that, and as a subjective remark, I just can't stand Brad Pitt 🤢
Keep your heads down you decadent barbarians. They were bound by the sacred institution of friendship. They fought together, bled. They were like brothers. No matter how many lies you say in order to feel good about your abnormality, truth won’t change. It will always hurt you.
Ότι πεις, χωριάτη.