I just watched this video again. I love it. The amazingness of this video seems a little more muted and unappreciated today. This video is everything America is was and should be.
The American ingenuity is second to none on this planet and if we can build toys with this much power and range in a matter of a a few days.......just think what we can do to an enemy when we have REAL motivation and reason to go after them.
the reason for dual deployment is so that your rocket descends fast on a drogue, streamer, or nothing for a couple of thousand feet, than at an appropriate altitude your main will deploy so your rocket doesn't coast for hours at like 16,000 ft. just informing anyone in advanced.
Awesome. I have Earl Cagel's Point 39 tape of LDRS XI, plus LDRS XII, LDRS XIII, and LDRS XVI. I'm also involved in it and it's one of the most fun hobbies on the planet! Thanks for putting this up!
I was never involved in organizing or running LDRS/BALLS, but it was usually ham radios that contacted the FAA. The nearest landline is miles away. Remember, these launches are taking place in the middle of an old lakebed (where the British car broke the speed of sound a few years back).
LDRS and BALLS launches always get FAA clearance in advance. This especially comes into play for BALLS, where launches can go to basically any altitude. I don't think the USAF or NORAD gets involved, although I seem to recall having to hold on launches when a B-52 was flying by.
Back in 97 I worked on the MBF project at NASA. Basically we created a database utilizing Oracle RDBMS to catalog telemetry data for the International Space Station. We were working out of the Sunny Carter Training Facility in Clear Lake Texas. Every morning on my way to my workstation, I would pass the Chinese Satellite launch schedule.
I'm amazed that I can't find information on how high it went. Weird. The information might be in some 1992 or 1993 issues of the Tripoli Magazine, but my copies are 2000 miles away at the moment...
I presume what you are seeing is the parachute that was ripped off when the back of the rocket coasted into the front of the rocket after ejection. I probably have some photos of that area (I was shooting with a 500mm lens as well as the video)
When I was about 14 me and my mates got into rockets. Totally self taught. We used weedkiller and sugar for fuel. We met a bloke at the time who made rockets too. I'm sure he used treacle for fuel.. Not 100% on that. He might have been having a laugh with us. Anyways the cops stopped all the shops garden cetera selling us weedkiller and our rocketeering days were over. Braun never got nipped in the bud. Personally I think we should have been encouraged..that's what makes country great..instead we got stamped on..I went to work down the pit. One lad the shipyards the other the army. 3 rocket men dumped on...
+Kevin Swithenbank That is sad. I've was lucky enough to be encouraged in my chemistry hobbies by my parents, this ,despite many of the things I've done being extremely dangerous (crazy stuff). Now, I'm majoring in chemical engineering.
I heard about this rocket years ago and cracked up about the name. Glad I finally got to see the video. My dad was from Oklahoma and was always saying this or that was ignorant. Funny stuff.
There is only a single stage, with multiple engines. A J engine was used to separate the top of the rocket from the lower body, but it wasn't sufficient to get it far enough away. The result was that the lower body coasted up and ripped off a parachute.
Wow! Very, very cool! I am totally fascinated by high powered rocketry but DO NOT need another hobby. I flew model rockets in the 70s & 80s & would LOVE to make huge replicas of such greats as The Point, Stiletto (the Centuri version, one of the most beautiful 2-stagers ever), Andromeda (that'd be complicated!), SST with a radio controlled glider, some of the Goony Birds, and my first, the Moonraker! All that's needed is some basic math to heavily increase the scaling.
A quick check of the internet indicates the rocket reached an altitude of 3500 feet. Not bad for 800 pounds. (On a related note, Stu Barrett, one of the people you hear on the video, indicates that a J275 was used as a gas generator for separation.)
It's just stunning that a group of individuals would do that well. They should join a professional team at a large firm, they clearly have the talent and ambition.
Wonder what would have happened if the rocket had been accidentally ignited at 0:35 ? Looks like the two parachutes caught full of air just at the right time 2:24 for a soft landing
Was the guy wrenching on it whacking the fin that hard? I couldn't do this...everybody having an opinion, being an alarmist (person being told repeatedly that everybody was ok after the flight...)
I estimate 15 seconds burn time. (76000 NS engine) That makes about 14 m/s^2 acceleration (about 1.4 G's) Max speed about 210 m/s (about 470 MPH !!!) , total height about 1600m AGL (about 5300 feet) Rough numbers, but hey, isn't physics wonderful :)
Good point. But it turns out that the title of the video actually is the name of the rocket itself. The greatest danger is likely the home-made manufacturing of the fuel. The team doing that had better know what they are doing.
not really. having a s*** load of engines doesn't matter if there isn't enough fuel capacity. and also the efficiency of the engine, and the fuel used, has a lot to say when it comes to fuel consumption.
I clicked on this thinking someone launched a rocket in an ignorant manner, ha.
Happened to me, too.
Happened me three! :O)
I just watched this video again. I love it. The amazingness of this video seems a little more muted and unappreciated today. This video is everything America is was and should be.
The American ingenuity is second to none on this planet and if we can build toys with this much power and range in a matter of a a few days.......just think what we can do to an enemy when we have REAL motivation and reason to go after them.
the reason for dual deployment is so that your rocket descends fast on a drogue, streamer, or nothing for a couple of thousand feet, than at an appropriate altitude your main will deploy so your rocket doesn't coast for hours at like 16,000 ft. just informing anyone in advanced.
I remember when the D engine 3 stage Mean Machine was a "big" rocket XD
Nice! Had the good fortune to meet Dennis today and he sent me here 😄. Love it!
The cloud makes it look really cool like it's venting.
Very cool. I have Earl Cagle's whole LDRS video line. Thanks for posting this.
Best video on youtube.
I can't believe it has been 3 years since I watched this last. Time really flies. This video has way more views too.
The sound of it blasting off is terrific.
Awesome. I have Earl Cagel's Point 39 tape of LDRS XI, plus LDRS XII, LDRS XIII, and LDRS XVI. I'm also involved in it and it's one of the most fun hobbies on the planet!
Thanks for putting this up!
I was never involved in organizing or running LDRS/BALLS, but it was usually ham radios that contacted the FAA. The nearest landline is miles away. Remember, these launches are taking place in the middle of an old lakebed (where the British car broke the speed of sound a few years back).
This is the best video I have ever seen on youtube.
THAT LAUNCH WAS JUST DOWNRIGHT IGNORANT!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?????
Am i the only one pissed that nothing went horribly wrong?
Maxwell Klinger - why he hell was it downright ignorant? It looks like it flew fine to me.
"That's even bigger than Gary's rocket." giggity....
LDRS and BALLS launches always get FAA clearance in advance. This especially comes into play for BALLS, where launches can go to basically any altitude. I don't think the USAF or NORAD gets involved, although I seem to recall having to hold on launches when a B-52 was flying by.
To those who don't know, "Gary" built a 20-ft tall, all-fiberglass rocket and flew it in Oregon a year or two before this rocket (which was 34' tall!)
Thanks for the history, so the beast was way back in 1992??
Back in 97 I worked on the MBF project at NASA. Basically we created a database utilizing Oracle RDBMS to catalog telemetry data for the International Space Station. We were working out of the Sunny Carter Training Facility in Clear Lake Texas. Every morning on my way to my workstation, I would pass the Chinese Satellite launch schedule.
Loved this. I'm just getting my 8yo into rocket building. Thanks for the post.
I love the one-way sign pointed up.
it landed upright too, good work guys
Great, if I just checked my previous responses, I would see it went 3500 feet. I wonder where I got that information earlier?
I gotta see one of these in person. Wow!
I'm amazed that I can't find information on how high it went. Weird. The information might be in some 1992 or 1993 issues of the Tripoli Magazine, but my copies are 2000 miles away at the moment...
I seem to remember that there were cameras on board, but I have no idea who has the video.
I presume what you are seeing is the parachute that was ripped off when the back of the rocket coasted into the front of the rocket after ejection. I probably have some photos of that area (I was shooting with a 500mm lens as well as the video)
See the description - it lists the 14 motors used for the flight (not counting the one for separation)
When I was about 14 me and my mates got into rockets. Totally self taught. We used weedkiller and sugar for fuel. We met a bloke at the time who made rockets too. I'm sure he used treacle for fuel.. Not 100% on that. He might have been having a laugh with us. Anyways the cops stopped all the shops garden cetera selling us weedkiller and our rocketeering days were over. Braun never got nipped in the bud. Personally I think we should have been encouraged..that's what makes country great..instead we got stamped on..I went to work down the pit. One lad the shipyards the other the army. 3 rocket men dumped on...
+Kevin Swithenbank That is sad. I've was lucky enough to be encouraged in my chemistry hobbies by my parents, this ,despite many of the things I've done being extremely dangerous (crazy stuff). Now, I'm majoring in chemical engineering.
You should have moved on to hybrid rockets using nitrous oxide and plastic as fuel..no one can stop you then as totally legal...
I heard about this rocket years ago and cracked up about the name. Glad I finally got to see the video.
My dad was from Oklahoma and was always saying this or that was ignorant. Funny stuff.
There is only a single stage, with multiple engines. A J engine was used to separate the top of the rocket from the lower body, but it wasn't sufficient to get it far enough away. The result was that the lower body coasted up and ripped off a parachute.
Holy shit looks like a giant 50,000cal sniper round from far away. I dont know shit about rockets but that was fucking awsome dude!
Well damn Gary, you have a small rocket
good effort !
makes my 2 foot cardboard tube look a bit weak but we have to start somewhere :)
That thing is massive !!
Wow! Very, very cool! I am totally fascinated by high powered rocketry but DO NOT need another hobby. I flew model rockets in the 70s & 80s & would LOVE to make huge replicas of such greats as The Point, Stiletto (the Centuri version, one of the most beautiful 2-stagers ever), Andromeda (that'd be complicated!), SST with a radio controlled glider, some of the Goony Birds, and my first, the Moonraker! All that's needed is some basic math to heavily increase the scaling.
excellent recovery. It flew strait as an arrow from surface too.
like they say in Uganda..."no flies on that!"
A quick check of the internet indicates the rocket reached an altitude of 3500 feet. Not bad for 800 pounds. (On a related note, Stu Barrett, one of the people you hear on the video, indicates that a J275 was used as a gas generator for separation.)
It's just stunning that a group of individuals would do that well. They should join a professional team at a large firm, they clearly have the talent and ambition.
Wonder what would have happened if the rocket had been accidentally ignited at 0:35 ?
Looks like the two parachutes caught full of air just at the right time 2:24 for a soft landing
Do it again Do it AGAIN!!!!
Great. Ever fly it again ????
That is the biggest rocket I ever saw good god!!!
incredible
That is so cool.
That was a great flight, excellent rocket. But I'm one of those types that likes to quantify everything, so...........altitude, G's, max.speed ?
I was thinking maybe too much delay on the ejection charge?...
very nice
great job wow.
Awesome!
Haha, I like the One Way sign.
Awesome.
I still have the magazine with this on the front cover.
it doesnt get any better than this ,,, beer thirty
Next, dig a silo. That thing looks about half the size of a Minuteman! Very good job.
The good ol' days...
looks like a v2 you could launch that sub orbital!
That place looks familiar.
did you use a perchloride propellant? that sucker sounded so cool...YOU ROCK..ET
That was bad ass!! Was there a camera on board?
Given the name, I expected it to launch while people were on the launch tower.
76000 NS is a large P motor.
And now for the inevitable question: Is there still a video from the towercam?
"WHA-HOOOOO"
Gravity... What a concept
"It's even bigger than Gary's rocket" Yea, . . I will take your wood for it.
was there a midget astronaut in there? That would have been a sweet ride. Next launch maybe you can have cameras attached to the rocket.
So where is the on board footage? I heard someone say there was a camera on it.
Think I'd put a bit larger chutes and a few feet longer lines on the bottom. WOW that was awesome.... how high did it go?
what is the speed of one of does rockets
That is just a cloud. You can see that there is no venting later on, such as 0:30.
err is that venting by the nosecone around 0:10 normal? The description didn't say it was a liquid fueled engine
Great Northern Bean gas!
how high did it go
Was the guy wrenching on it whacking the fin that hard? I couldn't do this...everybody having an opinion, being an alarmist (person being told repeatedly that everybody was ok after the flight...)
@mattmatt115
Awesomeness. Nuff said.
Does anyone else wonder what makes the rocket Ignorant?
It was launched at BALLS 2 haha!
Silent i , Its the name of the rocket.. It has nothing to do with performance.
And that would likely be an artifact from copying a 15-year-old tape being played back through a Dazzle converter.
Jesus...If I happened to be puttering around in my Cessna a few miles away I'd crap my pants....probably looks like damn SAM from up there.
Awesome rocket...how high did it reach?
bin bag parachutes?
Second parachute opened just one second before hitting the ground. Was the rocket damaged on impact?
I estimate 15 seconds burn time. (76000 NS engine)
That makes about 14 m/s^2 acceleration (about 1.4 G's)
Max speed about 210 m/s (about 470 MPH !!!) , total height about 1600m AGL (about 5300 feet)
Rough numbers, but hey, isn't physics wonderful :)
1:19
this is a cool vidio thats why
nice
What was the cost to build and fly this Rocket?
@osensei2987 who says we dont have any aimed back
Ignorant doesn't mean "idiotic" or "stupid"
Good point. But it turns out that the title of the video actually is the name of the rocket itself. The greatest danger is likely the home-made manufacturing of the fuel. The team doing that had better know what they are doing.
Oh yeah
parachute 2 just in the nick of time
is it just me or does it feel like the rocket didn't go very high? I feel with all the motors it had it should of gone much higher then it did.
not really. having a s*** load of engines doesn't matter if there isn't enough fuel capacity. and also the efficiency of the engine, and the fuel used, has a lot to say when it comes to fuel consumption.
beginning of duke nukem?
quiero saber cuantos metros tiene
@AHGlasher That's the name of the rocket, if I understand the joke correctly.
The rest of the world should take note.Here in America we build stuff like this for fun.Dont sccrew with us!
1. how long did it take you to build this
2. how did you build this (i must know)
+nickrulercreator how much did it cost is another good one
dpm9a1 truuuu
Ok.. what did you accomplish by doing this?
you guys hear that? yes my friends its bigger than gerry's rocket!
It's the name of the rocket.
Venting... its obviously a cloud since its not moving.
Yeah, project 463 was excellent
osensei2987 "we immediately outsource the work to our enemies because they'll do the work cheaper!"
Unfortuntely you are correct.
Sigh...oh well...