The Story of the Worst Chevy Ever Made

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  • @doctordynomyt2417
    @doctordynomyt2417 11 місяців тому +37

    I graduated from General Motors Institute many years ago with a Mechanical Engineering degree. Some years later, after being spun off from GM to become a private Engineering Institute, it was renamed Kettering University..... never knew where the name came from until now...

  • @TimelessCarTales
    @TimelessCarTales  11 місяців тому +26

    Apologies Guys, it was the cooling fins that were made of copper.

    • @scootergeorge7089
      @scootergeorge7089 11 місяців тому +8

      Whenever I see a "Worst Cars" list, I suggest the '23 Copper Cooled. I saw one in 1978 at the Harris museum in Sparks Nevada before the collection was broken up. And the Corvair was no "disaster." Chevrolet built over 1.8 million of them.

  • @Oldbmwr100rs
    @Oldbmwr100rs 11 місяців тому +22

    I've seen the care at the Reno museum, as well as another engine they have, and wondered why it didn't have a fan. So it seems they left the fan off the museum car to show the engine was all. As far as air cooled engines of that period, Franklin was very successful as they employed far more and larger cooling fins and a better fan and shrouding to their engines. I have to wonder what Kettering was thinking with that tiny fan and hardly the smallest of fins on the heads and cylinders, after all Franklin was doing fine, how could he have ignored that? And their next air cooled car was the Corvair, and it was by no means a failure, in fact it was pretty successful for a number of years and are still well regarded by anyone whos driven them.

    • @doctordynomyt2417
      @doctordynomyt2417 11 місяців тому +6

      As described in this video, it sounds like Kettering was less of an Engineer and more of a corporate politician, looking for leverage to climb the ladder. You can be proud of your design, but when testing reveals problems, it's time to revise it or find another direction. Sounds like Kettering was successful in playing the politics of pushing the design forward in the board room, even when it had failed on the testing floor. Not a good idea.

    • @captiannemo1587
      @captiannemo1587 11 місяців тому +2

      Franklin was rather well received when it came out and even put forward a car for the Vanderbilt cup.

    • @4strokesarejokes
      @4strokesarejokes 11 місяців тому

      lol I see what ya did there.. just don’t slow down and turn at the same time lol

  • @lordleonusa
    @lordleonusa 11 місяців тому +7

    It's at the side of my house, it's a 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier, What a POS that turned out to be.

  • @stanleybest8833
    @stanleybest8833 11 місяців тому +6

    Franklin had famously smooth air cooled cars with aluminum over wood bodies. Air cooled cars have always existed with both good and bad results. Sticking to sound engineering is the key.

  • @eugenepolan1750
    @eugenepolan1750 11 місяців тому +11

    This had a bearing on GM developing their own proving grounds rather than testing on public roads. Standardized testing can give repeatable results and eliminate bias in the testing. Milford PG will be 100 years old this year.

    • @nlpnt
      @nlpnt 11 місяців тому +3

      And that standardization had knock-on effects on the Vega. Prototypes by that point were maintained rigorously, far too rigorously for the program or company's own good when it allowed a new tech engine sensitive to overheating to pass into production with a barely-adequate cooling system without the margin for letting things slide that happens to cars in the real world.

    • @piercehawke8021
      @piercehawke8021 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@nlpnt Vega's a sad case; by 1976 it was a decent car by that decade's standards, as in the severe rust problem was corrected and the aluminum block 4 banger also had its design flaws fixed.
      Typical GM; when they finally get make/model correct, it's canceled

    • @nlpnt
      @nlpnt 11 місяців тому +1

      @@piercehawke8021 Yep, and most engines today are made the same way. That being said, in the short run it would've been better for GM to put an aluminum crossflow head on the Chevy II 153 engine and call it good for the Vega, at a fraction of the development cost which could be redirected to rustproofing and maybe a 4-door model.

    • @piercehawke8021
      @piercehawke8021 11 місяців тому

      @nlpnt GM did something very similar with the 1978+ Chevy Monza SW aka the Vega Kammback wagon but with a Monza grille, etc using the Iron Duke

    • @brianstough5286
      @brianstough5286 11 місяців тому +1

      @@piercehawke8021Something like the ford ranger? They finally got it right, then cancelled it for a decade. Still amazes me how many MORE Rangers from the late 90's and early 2000's are on the road - more than the F150's from that era!!!

  • @ngauruhoezodiac3143
    @ngauruhoezodiac3143 11 місяців тому +10

    Air cooling made sense before antifreeze became available. Cracked blocks were common even in the 1950s.

    • @scootergeorge7089
      @scootergeorge7089 11 місяців тому +2

      Alcohol was sometimes used to lower the freezing temp of coolant.

    • @ern48
      @ern48 11 місяців тому +6

      1950s??? Ethylene glycol solutions first became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather.

  • @Ozark_Bule
    @Ozark_Bule 11 місяців тому +10

    There's a whole chapter in Alfred Sloan's book, "My Years With General Motors" dedicated to the copper cooled car. A lot of lessons learned as the video states.

  • @michaelbenardo5695
    @michaelbenardo5695 11 місяців тому +9

    I have heard that a huge flaw with this car was the fan - it tried to blow the used cooling air forward out of the grille, against the airflow of the moving car, instead of drawing it in through the grille, and exhausting it down and back.

  • @pcno2832
    @pcno2832 11 місяців тому +9

    I wonder exactly what GM did wrong here. Other carmakers like VW have made air-cooled designs that worked well, and, of course, most small engines used in lawn equipment are still air cooled. Strangely, I can't name another front-engine, rear-drive car that was air cooled, though I don't see why air cooling would be more of a problem in that layout than anywhere else. The ultimate downfall of air cooling was its imprecise temperature regulation, which made it hard to meed modern-day pollution standards.

    • @ericknoblauch9195
      @ericknoblauch9195 11 місяців тому +3

      Volkswagen did have some air cooled engines that were failures. My mother had a Volkswagen with a 1600 dual port engine. The engine would suck a valve down into the crankcase. In 100,000, she had to replace the motor 3 times due to the valve problem. Many people were installing external aftermarket oil coolers on VW's that were prone to the valve problem because they claim it was due to overheating the motor.

    • @sammolloy1
      @sammolloy1 11 місяців тому +3

      With computers the temperature could be kept constant now.
      But even the electric cars have a liquid cooling system.
      People never learn.
      Complex is simple to engineer.
      Simple takes genius to design.
      And
      Less is more

    • @mitchkelleher7972
      @mitchkelleher7972 11 місяців тому

      Front engine air-cooled RWD: Franklin. Not only that, but they had been doing it for far longer than GM. Kettering was an idiot and scumbag (and seemingly thin-skinned according to this video-the mark of the weak and cowardly). Everyone knew the dangers of lead in fuel even back then. I hope there's a hell for him to burn in.

    • @timothykeith1367
      @timothykeith1367 11 місяців тому

      An air-cooled engine could use oil cooled cylinder heads

    • @ngauruhoezodiac3143
      @ngauruhoezodiac3143 11 місяців тому +1

      Franklin made a few.

  • @stevenvanheel3932
    @stevenvanheel3932 11 місяців тому +35

    The Corvair was not a disaster. The only reason it has a bad reputation is because some guy who didn’t even have a drivers license wrote a book about how “dangerous” it was

    • @blueplasma5589
      @blueplasma5589 11 місяців тому +7

      Ralph Nader?

    • @stevenvanheel3932
      @stevenvanheel3932 11 місяців тому

      @@blueplasma5589 yes. I’ve talked to people who actually owned corvairs back in the day and they really liked them. I also know a person who still has one and still drives it!

    • @eduardgenardandalis1437
      @eduardgenardandalis1437 11 місяців тому

      @@blueplasma5589Yes

    • @61rampy65
      @61rampy65 10 місяців тому +7

      @@SatanSavedMe Same guy who knows a little bit about everything, but not a lot about anything.

    • @thinkformyself69
      @thinkformyself69 10 місяців тому +1

      If they didn’t offer the sport suspension it wouldn’t have been an “admission”of a design flaw.

  • @nlpnt
    @nlpnt 11 місяців тому +2

    I've heard but never seen documented confirmation that the Reno car was owned by a country doctor up north who was satisfied with its' performance and refused to give it up and go back to water cooling. It's a known fact that the HFM car is the one that was bought by the Ford Motor Company for competitive evaluation, but I wonder how far they got in the process before seeing GM give up on it and sending their car to the museum.

  • @scottymoondogjakubin4766
    @scottymoondogjakubin4766 11 місяців тому +5

    Maybe at the time aluminum alloys were expensive ! An all aluminum design with internal and external cooling fins and a large fan would of fixed that problem

    • @feathermerchant
      @feathermerchant 11 місяців тому

      And yet the successful Chevrolet Corvair made use of good, old cast iron for cylinder fins.

    • @4strokesarejokes
      @4strokesarejokes 11 місяців тому +1

      It absolutely was expensive at that time

  • @JohnCunningham-sy5ug
    @JohnCunningham-sy5ug 11 місяців тому +3

    Not the only car worthy of scraping produced by GM. I had the misfortune of owning a vega.
    I'm sure there other disappointing stories.

  • @kennethjackson7574
    @kennethjackson7574 11 місяців тому +2

    I nominate the 1924 Chevrolet “Superior,” a car so bad it had three redesigns (three separate “Series”) in one model year. It wasn’t superior to anything. If you only consider Chevrolets that were produced in large numbers I think those 1924 models would be real contenders!

  • @Nyth63
    @Nyth63 11 місяців тому +8

    It wasn't the fan that was copper, it was the cooling fins on the cylinder jackets.

    • @ngauruhoezodiac3143
      @ngauruhoezodiac3143 11 місяців тому

      Copper is a good heat conductor but it also absorbs heat unlike aluminium which dissipates it.

  • @nb7466
    @nb7466 11 місяців тому +7

    Did anyone else see that lead cause a reduction in red heads

    • @rootbeer666
      @rootbeer666 11 місяців тому

      Lead causes a reduction in people with XY chromosomes. Ever heard that one?

    • @cooperparts
      @cooperparts 11 місяців тому

      That was tested in World War Two it works

  • @datsun210
    @datsun210 11 місяців тому +2

    When you say they 'destroyed' all the cars, why not just remove the air-cooling device and install a standard radiator? Are you sure the cars were 'destroyed' and not just retrofitted? 5:23 o_0

    • @TimelessCarTales
      @TimelessCarTales  11 місяців тому

      According to the articles(and wikipedia as well) I read, chevy recalled and destroyed almost all of them.

    • @Thinginator
      @Thinginator 11 місяців тому +1

      Air-cooled engines aren’t designed the same way water cooled engines are. You can’t just retrofit an air cooled engine to be water cooled, it needs the proper coolant passages. It’s also often cheaper in the end for car makers to destroy cars they can’t sell, as doing anything else to it costs development resources as well as paying mechanics to modify the cars. Better to scrap them and get the cost of materials back at least. That’s why lots of experimental cars that were leased to the public for testing were destroyed in the end, such as the Chrysler Turbine cars and the GM EV1. It’s sad, but modifying them wasn’t a viable option, nor was servicing what they saw as dead-end technology they no longer wished to pursue.

    • @datsun210
      @datsun210 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Thinginator Sure, but you don't have to destroy the ENTIRE car. You can put a new engine (water cooled) engine in it. Why destroy it all?

    • @UberLummox
      @UberLummox 11 місяців тому

      @@datsun210 Exactly. Makes zero sense. I find that hard to believe.

  • @LucidDreamer54321
    @LucidDreamer54321 10 місяців тому +1

    All of them

  • @dustin_4501
    @dustin_4501 11 місяців тому +1

    The greatest problem with the car may not even be the faulty engine, but the fact they give green light for into production, rather than spend more time developing the engine.

    • @k4106dt
      @k4106dt 11 місяців тому +1

      Starting production before being fully developed was the disaster repeated 40 years later with the Vega.

    • @brianstough5286
      @brianstough5286 11 місяців тому

      @@k4106dtBut the "drop in" fuel tank in the Pinto?!?! At least all of these were ordered to be destroyed and pulled off the sales floor! But comparing something "breakdown prone" to something that IGNITES and kills people is not a fair comparison now, is it??

    • @k4106dt
      @k4106dt 11 місяців тому

      @@brianstough5286 Where did I make that comparison?

    • @brianstough5286
      @brianstough5286 11 місяців тому

      @@k4106dtYou didn't - but you omitted - I'm sure that it was accidentally - but you omitted the FAR WORSE blunder (intentional blunder) by ford of the same era as the Vega.

  • @willc1515
    @willc1515 11 місяців тому +1

    History repeats itself look at em now

  • @rickh8380
    @rickh8380 11 місяців тому +2

    Even though the Automobile was still in its infancy...given more time for development, the engine might have actually been pretty good?

  • @dancurtis611
    @dancurtis611 11 місяців тому

    Kettering was a brilliant man, but even the best of us stumble. He knew that copper conducted heat better than iron, so the cooling fins were made of copper. Alas, they were too small, they couldn't pull enough heat from the iron cylinders, and for some reason he had the cooling air blowing out through the grille, against the onrushing air from the car moving forward.
    Had the cooling fins been iron, cast into the cylinders and the hot air ducted rearward, it probably would have been a success.
    "An engineer can tell you an engine will run before it is built. Any damn fool can tell after."
    -Charles F. Kettering
    P.S. Oakland launched a less-expensive, smaller model in 1926. They named it after an indian chief, "Pontiac. "

  • @Burninhellscrootoob
    @Burninhellscrootoob 3 місяці тому

    Dumped into lake Michigan...all they could locate and buy back. Someone today needs to start exploring for them....

  • @grubbs517
    @grubbs517 11 місяців тому +8

    To have a failed Chevrolet in the Ford Museum is hilarious.

    • @LucidDreamer54321
      @LucidDreamer54321 10 місяців тому +1

      It is not the Ford Motor Company Museum. It is the Henry Ford Museum. They have hundreds of cars made by companies other than Ford. They also have millions of other items in addition to cars.

  • @benwine9695
    @benwine9695 11 місяців тому +4

    Copper fan? No no no.
    Copper plating. The engine was Copper plated.

    • @Modeltnick
      @Modeltnick 11 місяців тому

      No, it was the copper fins cast into the cylinder head.

    • @benwine9695
      @benwine9695 11 місяців тому +2

      @@Modeltnick not cast, furnace brazed. Look up the copper fin NACA REPORT for details.

    • @scootergeorge7089
      @scootergeorge7089 11 місяців тому

      @@Modeltnick I saw one in Nevada. It looked like the fins attached to the block.

    • @Modeltnick
      @Modeltnick 11 місяців тому

      @@scootergeorge7089 I never saw one but saw some diagrams of the engine. It looked like the copper fins were the main component of the engine. It looked like a stylish car but so was the “490”.

    • @scootergeorge7089
      @scootergeorge7089 11 місяців тому

      @@Modeltnick The 490 was probably the first car to offer any serious competition to the Ford Model T.

  • @sammolloy1
    @sammolloy1 11 місяців тому +5

    GM never learns.
    The Vega
    The Olds Diesels
    The Northstar
    The 3.0 Duramax

    • @GoogleDoesEvil
      @GoogleDoesEvil 11 місяців тому +2

      5.3 LS Vortec
      6.6 Duramax

    • @dustin_4501
      @dustin_4501 11 місяців тому +2

      The Citation (and the Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, versions)
      The Cimarron
      The Fiero
      The Catera
      The XLR

    • @maxboya
      @maxboya 11 місяців тому

      @@GoogleDoesEvilThe Duramax was actually designed by Isuzu so.

    • @johnfox3845
      @johnfox3845 10 місяців тому

      @sammolloy1
      The v6 diesel wasn't a bad engine, it just didn't sell worth a damn because of the crappy Olds 350 diesel that preceded it.
      As for the Northstar, much of the issues were the result of poor maintenance. With a bit of work, they can be extremely reliable and are very overbuilt for their power output.

    • @toddaulner5393
      @toddaulner5393 10 місяців тому

      Northstar is actually really good I hear after you fix the flaws.

  • @melockavich9596
    @melockavich9596 11 місяців тому +3

    I can believe this gm still does dome shit over and over over being cheep

  • @frankhoward7645
    @frankhoward7645 11 місяців тому

    2:54. "The Oakland division..." Is this the current Tesla plant?

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 11 місяців тому

      The Tesla plant is the former NUMMI plant in Fremont which GM shared with Toyota.

    • @dale8567
      @dale8567 11 місяців тому

      Current Tesla was early General motors assembly center Fremont.

    • @frankhoward7645
      @frankhoward7645 11 місяців тому

      @@ostrich67 Isn't Fremont the same as Oakland?

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 11 місяців тому

      @@frankhoward7645 The plant originally opened in 1962 as GM Fremont Assembly. That replaced the original plant in the Elmhurst area of Oakland.

  • @michaelplunkett8059
    @michaelplunkett8059 11 місяців тому +2

    Corvair I
    Vega,
    Monza,
    Citation,
    Cavalier
    ???????

    • @Louis-kk3to
      @Louis-kk3to 11 місяців тому +1

      Chevett😅

    • @2W3X4YZ5
      @2W3X4YZ5 11 місяців тому +2

      Corsica
      Beretta

    • @MarinCipollina
      @MarinCipollina 11 місяців тому +2

      Cavalier was a fine car for its era that saw continual improvements during its production run.

    • @n.mcneil4066
      @n.mcneil4066 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MarinCipollinaThe Cavaliers with 3.1 engines were quite successful.

    • @MarinCipollina
      @MarinCipollina 11 місяців тому +1

      @@2W3X4YZ5 Corsica and Beretta were reliable autos.

  • @dennisolsen4507
    @dennisolsen4507 11 місяців тому

    That is a pretty large list, Vega, Chevette etc.

  • @celebrityrog
    @celebrityrog 10 місяців тому

    And the name of this is?

  • @DS-wo8wr
    @DS-wo8wr 10 місяців тому

    GM has a lot of candidates… especially as of late.

  • @beenbeatenbybishops5845
    @beenbeatenbybishops5845 11 місяців тому +1

    Shows how completely stupid DuPont was.

  • @Bluesmobile3
    @Bluesmobile3 11 місяців тому +5

    The video says the Chevrolet made another air cooled car that was a disaster. Only other air cooled car they made was the Corvair and it was far from a disaster.

    • @TimelessCarTales
      @TimelessCarTales  11 місяців тому +1

      While it may not have been a sales disaster, the car itself was certainly a disaster.

    • @Thinginator
      @Thinginator 11 місяців тому +3

      @@TimelessCarTalesit wasn’t though. The allegations of dangerous handling have been disproven by many reliable sources, the issue that supposedly caused the handling problem was fixed by Chevy itself later on, and they sold well over a million of them which are still beloved by many enthusiasts to this day. By all accounts, they’re extremely fun to drive, handle ridiculously well for their age, and get great fuel economy while being plenty reliable as long as you regularly check the fan belt. By then, GM had learned to properly design cooling fins and shrouding to direct airflow across them, so as long as it hadn’t thrown a fan belt, it wouldn’t overheat. They were great cars, they just got overshadowed by the more conventional Camaro in later years and suffered from the ignorant public not knowing it had been proven as safe as anything else at the time. They’re still one of the most fun classic cars you can buy for the price nowadays, basically an air-cooled Porsche without the premium.

    • @61rampy65
      @61rampy65 10 місяців тому +1

      @@TimelessCarTales Your obvious bias against the Corvair is 100% unjustified. You not only lost a viewer, but you got a dislike, too. It would be nice if you knew what you are talking about.

    • @Bluesmobile3
      @Bluesmobile3 10 місяців тому

      ​@@TimelessCarTalesYou really need to do more research before making videos. Ralph Nader wrote about the corvairs swing axle and said it was dangerous when he never even drove one himself. There were other cars that had a swing axle and were actually dangerous if you didn't know how to drive them. Your channel gets a thumbs down.

  • @Sonormuseum
    @Sonormuseum 11 місяців тому +5

    The author thought he’d be clever and use an Australian robo voice to lend some credibility. It’s still a fake robot read. Use an actual human who understands the copy.

    • @drsfsmith1603
      @drsfsmith1603 11 місяців тому +1

      The voice sounds genuine to me but the guy knows nothing about cars and engines.

    • @Sonormuseum
      @Sonormuseum 11 місяців тому +1

      Leeded gasoline" and "1920 as"? Additionally it's cooling FINS and not cooling fans. It' a robot voice. A pretty good one, but a human would have noticed and pronounced these things correctly.

    • @Burntoilcoffee
      @Burntoilcoffee 11 місяців тому

      robot AI sucks

  • @RobertJonsson-e4v
    @RobertJonsson-e4v 11 місяців тому

    RT: Chevy is done, Buick, Cadillac and Jonsson motors. Who says the Private owner. Hughes satallie. (Ie. Robert Allan Paul Jonsson )

  • @johnmc67
    @johnmc67 11 місяців тому

    Yeah, yeah, copper…

  • @raypeters4525
    @raypeters4525 9 місяців тому

    THE THUMBNAIL PIC IS A MODEL A FORD ROADSTER

  • @mackenzienowak6346
    @mackenzienowak6346 10 місяців тому

    The Vega or the chevette😅

  • @wsbill14224
    @wsbill14224 10 місяців тому

    The worst Chevy ever was the Chevette and it's not close. What a powerless cheap ugly piece of crap it was. It was the American Yugo!

  • @Ron-e2y
    @Ron-e2y 11 місяців тому

    There was a car worse than the Vega?

  • @buckodonnghaile4309
    @buckodonnghaile4309 11 місяців тому

    Lead is especially toxic to gingers eh?

  • @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu
    @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu 11 місяців тому +4

    After all these years they still don't know how to make good vehicles like the japanese vehicles do. Shame a other country put the American manufacturers to shame.

    • @boogiebarbie7792
      @boogiebarbie7792 11 місяців тому +1

      Japanese always learned for their mistakes

    • @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu
      @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu 11 місяців тому

      @@boogiebarbie7792 True . And Americans manufacturers don't. They even get worse.

    • @jeffgoddard4100
      @jeffgoddard4100 11 місяців тому +2

      I kinda disagree. Every American car manufacturer has made vehicles that are far better than the Japanese. The problem is when they build one, they replace it a few years later with junk.

    • @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu
      @donaldthetruthseeker-es3nu 11 місяців тому +3

      @@jeffgoddard4100 Yes. I seen some very good cars that later became junk. Look at Chevy Silverado pickups. Long time ago they were all decent trucks , now today their a lre joke constantly breaking down. The old ones were better.

    • @dddevildogg
      @dddevildogg 11 місяців тому +1

      The more complicated you make it, it the less repair people know how to fix it.Add in parts NLA for a two year old car, recipe for disaster. Basic transportation is no longer available...who needs a truck that's $90k? Why every single utility company ,servicing center etc and so they HAVE to pay that price and pass along the beating to The Consumer
      That's WHY we blame it all on Biden.It's his fault,right?

  • @juansaladzar
    @juansaladzar 11 місяців тому

    Did that fool say diz-easter brah? 🤔

  • @glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136
    @glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136 11 місяців тому

    This video needs more technical information on the design itself, why it failed, and what Kettering was doing to try to remedy these problems. It’s a a bit like watching the movie Apollo 13 with the sound turned off during technical discussions. Thumbs down.

  • @lesliecarr312
    @lesliecarr312 9 місяців тому

    One of the best air cooled automobile engines ever developed wasn't even American, let alone Chevrolet. It was made by the Germans. "The People's Car". Das Volkswagen.

  • @craigslistbuslistingsofnor6494
    @craigslistbuslistingsofnor6494 9 місяців тому

    This video is associated with the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center.

  • @rootbeer666
    @rootbeer666 11 місяців тому +3

    Corvair wasn't that bad of a car

    • @tooleyheadbang4239
      @tooleyheadbang4239 11 місяців тому +1

      Unsafe at any speed...

    • @waynemcmullen1933
      @waynemcmullen1933 11 місяців тому

      Wrong, the federal government even tested the Corvair in the early seventies and found it handled as good or better than its rivals. I’ve been driving an early model for over thirty years, still handles fine.@@tooleyheadbang4239

  • @mcarlkv53
    @mcarlkv53 11 місяців тому +2

    Chevy is awesome

  • @dennislaws5187
    @dennislaws5187 11 місяців тому +2

    I have owned several Chevys, and they ALL were JUNK

    • @bradleyphillips204
      @bradleyphillips204 11 місяців тому

      The trucks I had were ok but had a Buick enclave and Olds Alero and intrege. TURDS.

    • @dennislaws5187
      @dennislaws5187 11 місяців тому

      The cars and one truck I had was pure junk, garbage, work on more than drove them@@bradleyphillips204