@@alainportant6412 Salary is based on skillset. If the work the company gives isn't enough to fill a full eight hours; is that on the employee or management? I suggest you modernize your mentality. The pandemic has exposed the old style of corporate dictatorship and the skilled workforce is no longer subscribing.
It depends on how they view what they are paying for. If they are paying for time, you’re not giving that to them. If they are paying for x amount of work to be done, then maybe, but it feels dishonest…
@@cashisqueen3825 I don't believe any employer is paying simply for a person's time. You're time has to be worth the investment. If my milestones and deliverables are met within expected timeframes and quality; then my obligation as an employee is fulfilled. The notion of remaining "gainfully employed" i.e. busy work is a mismanagement of the skillset for which I was hired. Companies need to understand that certain skillsets are high demand, particularly tech. If they cannot accommodate flexibility amongst that labor force they are doomed to fail.
Despite all this, NEVER TELL ANYONE IN ONE OF YOUR COMPANIES THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER JOB. You can get very lucky and be like Jake if you have a SUPER cool boss - but most times even if the boss claims it's "cool" that will give them EXTRA REASONS TO RETALIATE AND DEMAND MORE WORK FROM YOU. Simply don't even think about it
I never thought of it like that, If I have two jobs, I don't fear of losing one. So, I'm always up front no matter what job, I always say I have two jobs. I'm like what're you going to do, fire me? I have another job, it won't really won't hurt me. I don't like being controlled. It's crazy how if you can survive with one job before, yet you still fear of being fired. At that point, I always felt in control, not my employer.
@@RubyMVmistress The problem is it gives corporations reason to prepare and legislate against it or pull something to enable them to exploit people's time more, demand commutes etc etc. So I'd keep as quiet about it as corporations keep their own schemes private too - just a business matter. They don't need to know how many jobs you have it's none of their business
@KG Wrong. They don’t have the right to ask or to know anyone’s personal business - so it’s OK to lie and say NO when they ask if you work other jobs. Will the company tell me everyone they’ve done business with? No they won’t. So why the double standard?… Why would you think they have the right to invade your professional privacy?
@@xybersurfer Joke’s on them because they have no right to tell you what work you can do in your private time - they just pay you to do work for them in addition to living your life. Ignore and continue
I worked for two jobs, and when my first job wanted me to come back into the office, I thought I would be honest. They insisted that I quit my second job and that I was lucky they weren't asking for any money back despite being happy with the quality of my work. And their words, 'we just want you to work for us, we don't want you to work anywhere else'. So I told them I quit my second job under duress, and months later I am still doing the two jobs. I have just worked it that I manage to get into the office too. It's a lot but as a consequence, I have managed to get out of debt, clear credit cards and accumulate a five-figure savings fund. I have no idea how people manage to have more than 2FT jobs. I have heard of people that have 4-5. I work in tech.
Go for it, life is too short to be stressed and in debt when you can do something about it. Update: I quit my first job and replaced it with one that pays me 4x and is remote. We have to go out of our way if we want something different, there isn't anyone that will give it to us. All the best. @@MiyaDavis
This is so spot on. Knowing that literally NO ONE ELSE is thinking about us the way we think they are, is the most liberating feeling. Your energy is everything
*I don't want to scare anyone but....millions of people do this all the time. Its call being a consultant. You deal with multiple clients across multiple states or countries. The fact is that many companies simply want to control your freedom - how you dress, your time, your behavior, when you can eat, etc.*
What's funny is when you ARE a consultant, and companies say "you need to dedicate your time to us" and "we consider every other company to be our competitor".
A consultant has to keep hustling for his next gig. A company gives you consistent work and relative job security. That tradeoff comes at the price of flexibility because companies want you to be dedicated to them and not their competitors.
@@strauss7151 Companies don't give you job security unless you are on a contract with a favorable severance clause. Even then, the company can just opt to pay you to F off. Even major employers like Netflix will nuked half their staff when times get tough. You are always replaceable, even if it's your own company.... Just ask Jack Dorsey. Traditional Employment _USED_ to be safer bet over entrepreneurship/self-employment... before wages deflated (they didn't just stagnate, btw), back when loyalty and tenure was rewarded with more than a snickers bar and a "certificate of appreciation" that some high schooler made in MS Paint 20 minutes ago. Consultants have as consistent a work as they're willing to go earn for themselves, and if you're good enough for someone to pay you, you're probably good enough to close clients and keep stable business... unless you went into consulting in a field/area that isn't recession/lockdown-proof. The *real* trade-off is that being an employee takes almost every shred of independence away from you to serve your laziness and unwillingness to do the hard work necessary to get paid the *actual* top dollar as an expert in your field. You pay a company for the convenience of having a ready-made business structure, by way of simply getting paid less than what your value-add can demand. But if it's any consolation, 90% of people just want to be told what to do all day so they don't have to deal with the stress of being "truly" independent, which sounds fun but is an entirely exhausting (but rewarding) endeavor... (there's a reason why most fail by year 2). And they absolutely will take crap pay just to not have to be the one _making_ the to-do list.
I did this and was honest with my boss at one company about it, but not the other. He didn't care and was impressed. Both paid decent but not great income, but combined I was able to eliminate all my debt and save up a good amount too. Back to working one job after doing it for almost a year. It was really intense and I had no free time, but getting caught up financially like that really saved my life.
As far as I'm concerned, all restrictions on workers post employment and during employment for things like exclusivity, should be made illegal. If you can definitely conduct both jobs adequately, they should not be allowed to stop it. Contracts that state you must only work for 1 employer should be illegal.
except that most employers pay based on someones time commitment and not necessarily on tasks completed. clauses such as (simplified) "we will pay you X for your commitment to working for us from 9am to 5pm." its usually not "we pay you X and expect you to finish X work, by the way you have the rest of the day off if you finish early." sometimes its like that; not always.
I mean if they are paying for your time then it makes sense. They are paying for your time. Unless you are a contract worker which he isn’t referring to
My uncle always says “if you act like you know what you’re doing, nobody will question you”. He was talking about using golf carts at a country club without renting them but I think it shows how little people pay attention to you, so do what you want.
Dude this video is awesome. I attempted the same thing recently and only got away with it for 2 months before quitting the new job. The second one being wayyy to demanding of my time. Really cool to see someone else perspective on this but we shared a lot of the same opinions. When you have a family to feed you’ll do whatever it takes even if it means breaking the rules
Dude! A similar thing happened with me. I'm a Mobile App Developer, and I was in the process of looking for an additional job, except that I was approaching it from the perspective that I'd hold two jobs. I was interviewing, and blatantly telling the hiring manager, "Look here's the deal, I prefer to work in a flex role because I have another job." They would ask me why I needed it to be flex so bad, and I'd simply tell them. "I can't work both of my jobs if they interfere with one another. My intentions are to give 100% to your company but I also intend to give the other company 100% to them." Surprisingly, even telling them, I received several offers. I told my first company about the new job at the second one, they were also "Just happy I'm not leaving, but if performance decreased then I'd have to decide what to do." My performance never decreased, they never noticed a difference and in fact I got a promotion. My second company was happy and they also promoted me within 6 months. Both parties knew, both parties were happy, I got paid.
That sounds so nice. My boss got mad when I had to go to the emergency room saying “we lost productivity with you gone” so…he would not be happy if I was working two jobs.
Honesty gets people out of more messes with employers than it causes. I've always been honest with my employers and they almost always appreciate it because it's such an uncommon thing. Good on you 🤘🏼
It's actually relatively straight forward. The higher quality of an employee you are, and the more that's known in your company, the more things you get away with. That is, if the employer itself is also of a certain quality.
Happy you had this outcome! 2 observations: 1) we can easily accomplish current workloads with a 4 day (or less) workweek without sacrificing productivity and 2) if companies want you but can't afford exclusivity, then they shouldn't have it
Most large companies would be more concerned about this UA-cam channel then doing more work on the side. A high percentage of lower wage workers have had second jobs. Also, this really only works if you’re good at your job. If you aren’t great then knowing someone has another job makes it less stressful to let them go.
4 day workweeks only really work if you have a set task to do online... most of us have jobs in thing like fast food or skilled trades, 4 day work weeks just mean 1 day of lost productivity.
You're assuming all things don't have a hard time restriction. Anything manufacturing related can only be completed so fast. It's why we are having a chip shortage. Too much demand and not enough time to make them all. I work 12 hours a day 5 days a week just to keep up with production. During the busy season, that goes to 6 or even 7 days. Not because we aren't being productive but because there is a hard limit on how fast you can produce. Most people don't work at a desk after all
I got caught working two jobs years ago…totally could have done it just fine- yet one found out about the other and I had to fess up. I was on speaker on a meeting and got caught 😂🙈 felt like an idiot but at the time I was a struggling single mom and I did whatever I had to do to make ends meet! Don’t regret it!!
@@ivanberdichevsky5679 truly the epitome of idiocy has a baby outside of marriage/divorces her husband works two jobs while the rainbows raise her kids.
Glad it all worked out. I've worked two remote development jobs for more than 2 years now, Early 2020 I was working three and they all knew about each other and could care less as long as the work that I've dedicated to is done, done well, and productivity hasn't been effected. If you are cool with having no life and more money, it's easy to get a job as a web developer : better yet, multiple jobs lol
One was 40hrs the other was up to 30 hours. Late nights, early mornings, and consistency made it possible. The third was as a react instructor gig where I taught 1 class on Saturday mornings while grading and answering questions during the week when I could find time. I didnt plan it that way but the job I really wanted came through a week after accepting the instructor position, didnt want to quit any so I just toughed it out with all three until the course I taught was complete then dropped the instructor job. but in good standing. Wasnt easy but where there's a will there is a way. Although it was tough I saw it as a blessing because covid hit at that time, the world was shut down, and many workers were layed off and businesse shut down but I was fully remote and over sustained by my role as a web developer. Truely a blessing to my family.
So basically, you were actually in an "electronics commune" ?? So they must know one another then. Kind of like the "Metaverse" then, isn't it !!! Well.. why even get paid ? OH ! Is this why we are now talking about things like a "token" ?!!?!?!..... This world is just... sick sick sick. And even though I was in tech myself.. but what is happening is very ridiculous.
@@princessm8977 : It is not a "job". He basically "talked" to somebody online.. across the globe.. via a skype like thing.. and then he calls it a "job". But all he did was "talked". That is what he did. There is no way that people would not get prosecuted.. or more.. like this.. and from everywhere else ! We need to break out of this bad tech cycle. Really.
@@edheldude because if you need to work an additional job after you become employed due to life changes, you should be able to do so. Maybe you now have a child, so you need more money. Therefore if they say you can't work a 2nd job, then they should pay you more if they want to keep you. Its also none of their business what you do when you're off their clock. This is still America.. for now.
Some people are so greedy that they will still work a 2nd job anyway, or for lifestyle choices (learning skills in both jobs or friends). Ideally you haven't found a job that's made you fulfilled if you still have two jobs.
Rather than it being a company's responsibility, it is the YOUR responsibility to look for a job that could support your lifestyle. I feel like that's a more constructive mindset.
I worked two jobs for about 2 months before getting laid off from one of them recently and I must say it was amazing financially wise. I was able to save enough money to pay off my car that would have taken me another 2 years to pay off otherwise! Update: I just a new job offer that is remote and they are completely cool with me having a second job! 😁
@@Ou8y2k2 Yeah it's possible but I probably wouldn't advise it unless one was super part-time. Like 10 hours a week, otherwise you'll probably be too busy to do anything other than work.
Your time and stress level is yours. Unless the two companies are direct competitors, or you fall behind at one of them, why should this even matter? -- Brilliant video and point! Keep going!
Wrong, it’s a testament to how understaffed the industry is. He should have just said he never took that job. And before people say oh that’s a lie, he was already lying to everybody and still is to his second job.
I’ve been working 2 full time jobs for 14 months. It’s crazy I came across this video. It was crazy at first and I was scared of being caught. Every zoom meeting for months I would think it was a hey your caught moment. Thank God never happened. My first full time employer leaves me with so much free time. I literally would take naps throughout the day before starting job#2. Then I was like hey, I could be making some more money here at home. I haven’t looked back. Gets stressful at times but it really depends on how bad you want it and need it. I need and want it!
@@Ou8y2k2 I had overlapped meetings, then you start noticing most meetings dont really need your full attention so I just took both at the same time LMAO sounds crazy and it is! But then again, it's crazy to have so many meetings in one day
Now you have a totally different outlook on your job(s), ability, worth, outlook and options. This creates confidence that you always have a safety net under you just incase. No more intimidation. Something most people never achieve until a year before retirement. You will never feel bullied into a corner because you know you are capable and have options. Good for you!
You have a strong foundation for your channel, and will be well on your way. Great story and experience! 2 paychecks (even just for 8 months) can be a game changer.
I appreciate it! And yes two paychecks is amazing. I was thinking even if I could pull it off for a month and collect two extra paychecks I would be happy.
As a Biomedical Engineering Technician, I have a clause in my contract that forbids me from working two jobs. Otherwise I would be working two jobs, albeit, my job is not remote. I love my job and the company I work for. Always takes care of us in any way we need. Even said if he ever won the lottery, none of us would have to work again. Lol. The purpose of this rant is that, whatever job/career you choose, make sure it's one that you love and make sure there's a level of respect between you and your employer. It makes a world of a difference.
I am so glad someone else finally out into words what I’ve experienced my entire life, I have this overinflated view of authority as well. I was raised in catholic school so I think this might’ve been where that was instilled. Great video and great life lesson!
Its obvious from these two companies' reactions that you are very good at what you do and they think highly of you! Congrats and keep up the good work!
This reminds me of another scenario that is happening a lot. People are so accustomed to working remote that when companies start calling them back into the office, some are saying something like "hey, my family and I really want to move. can I continue to work for the company remotely if I move to another city?" If the company says yes, the employee just gets a mailing address in another city within the same state and lists that as their new address with the company. Then they just have any mail forwarded to their actual home address. Two of my friends have actually done this.
@@pain-wx2lg here is the thing IPs don't work as many people think. Now days they are dynamic and is not like they can see where you are. In they need real equipment to be able to see that and also know how to do it
@@jtechnstuff bro, I'm certified penetretion tester with more than 100 valid reports(5 alone for the US federals) I know what I'm telling you, only the police and some agency can pinpoint you out of a IP. I can give my own right now and you won't know where I'm. Some times and only some time, you may get the country off an IP, maybe get lucky and get the city. But you are not getting the exact location. And thats a fact
This is awesome to hear and doesn't actually surprise me much. I am a supervisor in STEM, and even with our lower level positions, I don't want to lose anyone and have gone out of my way to accommodate a couple people who let me know they had other life or work obligations. It is simply easier to work with them and accommodate them (if they're good) than go through the hassle of posting a job, interviewing people, training someone, and *hoping* they work out. One in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think this will become more common. Great video.
Great video! Something else to think about... If you have a non-compete, make sure that the second company is not on that list or conflicts with the language of your non-compete. Glad this worked for you!
This message is spot on. I used to worry about so many things and get all worked up before finding out if it was even anything to worry about. You must be an amazing employee to have your boss just be relieved you weren't leaving. I just found you and I'll check out some of your other videos. I like your style.
Jake, this video was extremely entertaining. I went through various difference emotions just listening to you. Fear, anxiety, giddiness, happiness and finally I learned something from you about the spotlight effect. I think you should continue to pursue UA-cam. Im subscribed and looking forward to seeing more from you
I'm 100% remote (since 2020) but my 2nd "job" is caring for my kids. So while doing my job I do things for my kids instead of the idle work chatter. even go on breaks and go for walks. Sometimes I grab my laptop and go to the park...it's...amazing. I still do my job (probably better) AND I get to be with my kids/family. They could fire me for doing this because they do take some time away that I could -wasting time at my desk- working and in yesteryear plenty people had lost their job because they had family obligations. If you are still doing good work, it would be absolutely stupid for a company to fire you for greasing the wheels. It would be the ultimate "I own you" move and I wouldn't want to work anywhere that does that.
There's a subtle difference between what you're doing and what's being done in the video (full disclosure, I do the same thing as you, so there might be some bias/justification). You're doing your one paying job and (probably) adjusting your location and/or hours as necessary to care for your children. You're doing the one job, but working with management (hopefully) to adjust your schedule. What it appears is happening in the video is he's simultaneously working two jobs, meaning, he "clocks in" for both at the same time and alternates tasks between them throughout the day, basically "stealing" from both companies. Now, I know there's some justification about being on-call while working for the other company, so assuming you can drop whatever you're doing and work for the other company at the drop of a hat, maybe. However most companies have a clause that doing this is cause for immediate termination. Now, if you're working one job in the morning and another one in the evening there's no issue, as they don't overlap.
@@michaelmurphy2112 well it’s likely that he’s on salary, so as long as the work get dones the ‘clocking in’ doesn’t matter. It’s probably more project based so there would be no stealing of time lmao
sounds dreamy... I hope to be in the same position soon. It's annoying when coworkers want to chat and show me stupid ass listicles or FB videos during my little bit of*actual* free time at the office when i'd rather be learning/practicing my craft/reading a book to further my knowledge, etc as I'm actively looking for a new job. my ideal start time would be 9:00-10:00AM so I could squeeze a bike ride in early every morning tho, lol
I grew up poor and was taught to be wary of things that look like they're too good to be true. So when I got an offer for a full time position with a salary way better than my current position, I secretly kept both for three months. I still ended up having a lot of free time, even with two jobs but sometimes I couldn't make it to meetings and felt bad about lying to them so I quit my older job. This is a great video, I think us employees don't value ourselves enough. In a situation like this you would think that your current employer should make a counter offer to keep you, not fire you because their pride was pricked. In the heat of the moment our thoughts are seldom logical, however.
@@caterinas6863 Yeah, they're both full time. I was just very quick to finish my tasks and I didn't dally. Most people spend a lot of time just socialising or taking smoke breaks. I sat down for 4 hours and finished my 8 hour schedule.
@@caterinas6863 once you get good enough you can speed through tasks. The problem for the company is that youre not fully committed to the work quality. You are just in auto pilot doing what you already know, never doing anything new or breaking new ground.
@@pt8292 a lot of positions do not require ground breaking stuff. Depending on your tasks in most cases you need to be on autopilot to get through. However, many companies would have a conflicts of interest framework. So if you second position is with a competitor or a partner of your current company, this is a big no no. But the company I work for is open to review your second position and allow you to work both jobs as long as your deliverables/targets are met.
So, to be honest, I'm going through this right now, this morning as I watch this video. I'm not working two jobs lol but, I am in a state of fear, the spotlight syndrome, the imposter syndrome, the fear of authority. I'm watching this video on my way to work right now, and your message let my shoulders drop a little bit :-) thank you, this has changed my morning!
Wow!! my armpits are sweating right up to the reveal. What a great story. Thank you for sharing this. I can see the truth in your points. I also want to explore working 2 remote jobs. Thank you again.
I didn't get caught, I let both companies know ahead of time and even went through the compliance department for each and neither cared....I have said this many times, as long as you are up front and honest and have a good reputation, both companies would want to keep you.
Very inspiring story here man, I appreciate this. I do identify as one of those that fears that the employer might be watching. I would be paranoid about working two full-time jobs - asking questions like “How do I make these two meetings?”, “What if one employer finds out that I’m using their time for the other job?”, it’s crazy. But thank you for posting your experience, it’s amazing. I definitely view things differently. I do agree that they’re not worried about me, lol. They’re trying to cover themselves. At the same time, I don’t think we can be cavalier about things either. You can’t get too comfortable.
Man these have to be the coolest bosses ever man. I been trying for months to land a job in the IT world starting out as a freelance/self employed with many years of experiance, but haven't had luck getting accepted anywhere remotely or locally. Aside from that this is definitely one of the coolest stories i ever heard & man is it great to hear when a company truly cares about their employees. Positive vibes all day man thank you for sharing!
Dude. I've been thinking about doing this exact thing for a while now. Good to see an example of what could happen in action. Thank you for sharing your story.
For other people out there that want to "try" this. Becoming a freelance contractor is the safer option. You are able to lay out the terms for the contract and include the clause that allows you to hold multiple contracts. At that point, you become your own boss, and you work WITH and not FOR the companies in question.
With the amount of over time I do every two weeks. I essentially work a second job. Lucky enough to have unlimited overtime for the last 2 years with no end in sight. Working remote has been the best thing for me.
I really love this story and better yet, I love the way you replied after being caught. Your overall mindset is great, and you are very accurate on how fear controls people.
Love this. I’ve been working full time and going to school full time. I’ve actually gotten better at my job because of it and people don’t care that I do school at work because I get stuff done. Love to see that other people are pushing the boundaries! Also, I hope this means you’ll be making more videos.
As an outsider it's kind of interesting to me that you thought you'd get fired. There are plenty of people who work more than 1 full-time job to make ends meet. Unless you've signed some sort of contract stating you'll work exclusively for the company during your time there, I dont think it's even legal for them to fire you for getting a second job. If they want you to themselves, they need to pay more.
I think the idea is that he's working two full-time jobs simultaneously, which could upset a company that's paying you to work for *them* for 8 hours, and not working for them *and* another company. Just a thought though...
@@dylan_00 I mean as long as his consistency and quality of work hadn't changed I dont really see a reason for them to have a problem with it, but I guess I could see some management definitely getting fussy, thinking they solely own your work time and effort.
@@dylan_00 Most managers know that one literally doesn't actually do 8hrs of work at the job and if someone is crazy and ambitous enough to do two jobs. Then that person has great potential if they do get to keep them later on.
Depending on the state he is in, he could be employed "at will". Meaning a company can terminate an employee at any time for pretty much "any" reason. One of the companies could pretty much just say "it's not working out, you're fired" and you would have to somehow prove they were firing you for something that is illegal on their end. Pretty much every company in that case would drag that case out as long as possible, making it easier to just cut ties and find a new job.
Tech jobs seem to have such a hard time finding folk they can rely on/get work done I'm honestly not surprised by your boss's response. If you can handle the workload why care? I guess the only real concern would be if both jobs were direct competitors AND you have a non-compete clause but eh.
Tech jobs are now in that "bubble commune" position. Why should there need to be more ? LOL...... LOL..... It means "I am paying you now, to annoy me at work, and then you have your real life at home" position. You know that a market or a sector has already saturated when... there are videos about the tech, and not the adverts about the jobs about the tech. There are videos about the tech... about the past... and about the existing position.. So it means that.. the jobs are done. It is like saying... there is an apple... and there are some apple juice on the floor. And everybody is talking about the apple tree, and the apple juice on the floor. And the robotic cameras keep filming the apple juice.. and it keeps filming the apple tree as well... What more do you want? Blood ? I see no issue with the current market. Do you ? "The younger generation always eat the elders."
You sound selfish.. first off his first company is being ripped off considering he has time to do both jobs. They are paying for work to be done towards their own company not both simultaneously
Any company that fires an employee for having a work ethic that is far and few in between - deserves to lose the employee. Any hiring team with any sense would hire you in a heartbeat.
,but yer can't violate your contract if it stipulates that you cannot moonlight at the local deli on top of your regular. working a lot don't mean being extra serious. and i don't know what the supposed secret that was when his gov name is on here and any employer can quick google. chile ! , currently enjoy la Palenqueta the cacahuete.
Thanks for sharing! The fear thing is so spot on. I recently cofounded a startup whilst working, in a similar industry but non-compete, and strictly doing startup work at weekends and on my own time, and slowly gearing up to leave my job. My mind played out a million and one different scenarios of telling my current boss that I was leaving. Everything from thinking they were going to claim I was doing work on company time, to suing me for the business being similar 😂 Even though I knew I wasn’t overlapping the two roles, and that the businesses were totally different, I got so stressed about it. In the end I told my boss and he congratulated me, and even offered advice and help for my new venture haha. You can never truly guess how someone will react!
Tbh bro, this worked out because of 2 things. 1. Your coworkers and boss are great. 2. You are a great worker and have a great personality. Considering how your boss reacted XD
I should have said this before but thanks, working two jobs never occured to me until I saw your video and I have been working two jobs for 6 months now. The only issue I've had is the odd meeting clash but apart from that it's been good and for the first time in forever I actually have savings. Thanks!
I really appreciate the timing of this video and you elaborating on what you mentioned before. I believe you, me and I’d imagine a few others here suffer from imposter syndrome. It’s obvious your boss valued you a lot more then you had realized. You’re right. It’s the stories we tell our selves that often hold us back. Again, thank you for sharing. P.S. BREAK THE RULES!
Good employees are something people want to keep. Obviously your a good employee. You were worth keeping despite taking a second job that could have effected your 1st job. They even moved meetings to help you. That's a good employer and your obviously a valued employee
This was a really good videos. I couldn’t do this myself with the type of job I have (Tax Consultant) but I love the way you’re encouraging others to open their perspective with breaking the rules. Great story, great lesson, great video!
As an older person in the workplace, I would always tell the new (younger) members of staff - Don’t sweat the small stuff. I had an example of where I sent an email from my bosses account to everyone in our data base - I was supposed to do that - I was not supposed to put a read receipt on it (I did this automatically without thinking). The minute I hit send I realised. Omg. I had the worst night possible. I made up all these stories in my head of how he was going to be so mad and I would get fired. Worst night possible. Came in the next morning. He walked past my desk, shook his head with a little smile, said you won’t do that again will you, and never mentioned it again. He literally had received 5000 read receipts on his phone from all over the world the entire night. The moral - worst case scenario rarely happens. Of course for some it does, but generally, as you say, we build things up in our own heads and that rarely comes to pass.
You and I have a very similar story. Mine didn't find out but I ended up quitting the second job after 6 months. Way I looked at it as a manager was as long as there isn't a conflict of interest and you're performing how I expect, then I don't care what you do.
@@stevearcher6100 haha, yeah. The second job I actually never did any work at all for them…. The first, I probably work about an hour a day. Tech field.
@@brightboakye3996 Sorry but the one thing about doing this type of thing and actually getting away with it is keeping your mouth shut about it. Kinda like fight club. You never talk about fight club. Even after leaving a company, you don’t want to divulge who it is as you never know how that might come back to bite you.
My father (retired now) was high up in a company where someone got fired for their side job. They had a private business doing something totally unrelated to what the company did. That itself wasn't an issue had it been done on private time, but the issue arose when this employee attended to their business on the main employer's time and in the main employer's office. Their contract of employment specifically stated this was prohibited. Fired for breach of contractual terms, not the side hustle itself.
~ Although I have largely cut back in recent years, I used to create crazy narratives or nightmare scenarios when I was younger. You are right about this fear wasting our time. I am happy to see you made it to a positive paradigm shift. Best of Luck! Thank you for sharing!
my similar story... Worked at McDonalds for more years than I'd like to admit. While working there I persued an 9 month tech school... opening my own business...some temp jobs..etc. They all didn't pan out for one reason or another and I kept circling back to McD's. My motto was...never let go of a rung of that coorperate ladder until you're other hand is firmly grasped on the rung above the one you're at. I eventually got hooked up with a job in construction doing mostly painting. I worked this job from 7am to 3:30pm. Then I would start my McD's shift from 5pm to 11pm. I did this for A YEAR before I told my construction boss I was thinking of quitting McD's. I wanted reassurance from him that I had a future working with him before I quit. But he just sort of shrugged his shoulders and said "do what ya gotta do" Well I quit McD's and no more than a month later my construction boss more or less laid me off (just stopped calling me for work was the way he did it) Never told me that he was planning on retiring and just doing side work for freinds and family. So I went from working two jobs for an entire year to braving up and quitting one of them than instantly finding myself having neither job. Yeah... I suppose I could have gone back to McD's. They would have taken me. but I just couldn't do it...again. Eventually I kept hitting the classifieds and found a good medium between hard working labor and being under qualified for the white collar world. But my thing is this...holding on to a sucky job in fear of losing it because it's the best you've got didnt help me at all towards climbing that job ladder of success. Neither did working two jobs lol. But if you are a go getter and put yourself out there I think you'll find something...decent enough that can hopefully pay the rent.
And that right there is why I am learning another field for a career change. Nothing is worse than being stuck in a dead end job with no growth potential because you're afraid it might be the best thing available for you. I'm tired of limited skill sets and zero job security. Good on you for making that big jump even though it didn't pan out. Lots of growth from that I'm sure.
Guys this is great and all but in reality you'd get your ass fired in a second. Honestly this guy is probably damn fucking good at what he does and having him leave would hurt the team way more. He's an exception, the fact that they moved meetings to accommodate his timing says it all. It's funny the comment section actually believes they can also do this lol xD
This is more common in software engineering & other salaried jobs. It goes a step farther where some more senior guys are actually just on retainer at a bunch of companies where they are paying them just for the promise that they will come back instantly and help if they need it…but they never really need it & forget they are paying these guys a lot of the time I feel like.
This should become more mainstream because technology has enabled us to work remotely and do more and achieve more. If you can take on another job without affecting your current job and it’s not a competitor, companies should allow you to
So, for those who are interested in working two jobs there's some things that I learned that may help 1.) Consider how healthy working relationship with your boss is at the job you currently have should influence whether or not you tell them you are picking up a second job. I've very rarely had to work in secret, and I've always been able to get said second job without retaliation and with them understanding. However, again, if your workplace is toxic, or has some of kind of rule against you working two jobs, prolly just keep it a secret. 2.) When you are interviewing for your 2nd job, you can use the fact that you are currently working one as evidence of your experience and work ethic. While some employers do get dissuaded by the potential conflict of interest, I have found that many are impressed with someone who is willing to work 2 jobs to better themselves, and are often pretty accommodating to make sure the two jobs don't conflict. However it isn't necessary to tell your second job that you have a primary one. Just make sure that you don't take the job without setting boundaries that allow you to make your first job. Prepare to come equipped with good white lies to back up your reasoning lmao
Jake, I’ve known you for years. You’ve always been sincerely, unapologetically you. Pure authenticity flowing through here. Loved the video and keep them coming.
It really depends though. I like that your boss didn't care at all because he's essentially doing it but not all companies are gonna be like that or bosses. Especially if you are put in a position to choose one company over another for non-compete purposes. In that case, there should be a precautionary step to ensure you work in totally different sectors and industries with your skill set as that will be the only way to really get around that. There are some that are just the devil where they only want you to work on their time and no one else's while on their clock and those are the companies to avoid like the plague since overemployment is very common and it's just gone digital in recent years.
What are some industries or companies you would recommend for this? Do you know anyone doing software sales remotely that found a way to balance the 2nd job and if so what was that industry/job?
Yeah, this is very odd and unusual. I wonder how much his channel/social media factor into this, if the companies are very small, and if Jake is doing something so hard to replace at both companies (which is foreseeable at old employer, less at new). Or maybe it's a area specific tech culture? Where I'm at no job would tolerate this, the "best" you would get if found out was a offer of a raise (and massively increased work) to quit the other. Even if they're 100% WFH and task/project work they would take this as meaning that they need to give you 2x the work you currently have. Especially if this information is cross team like this. Your boss MIGHT be cool with you just knocking out your work and doing whatever after, but now all the other team leaders will be talking about your team and your boss' boss will know. The team with "such a light load they can, and allow, their people to do the same entire job somewhere else at the same time". And your boss now has to defend you, and themselves, to their boss when they inevitably hear about it. Also nowadays almost every company has some kind of general "you MUST inform us if you make a single cent outside of here on anything" policies in place that would make firing you for this your fault, labeling it as a willful violation and conflict of interest/intellectual theft if they want to. I do think this kind of work culture and 99% of noncompetes are BS though, but that's the current reality.
Unless you sign a noncompete, as long as your work isn't suffering or interfering there isn't much they could really say. Some management would be butthurt and fire you or ask you to quit the other job, but hopefully those managers like that are few and far between.
The only thing that would change it is if you're hourly, and they claim wage theft because you're splitting some hours between the two jobs. Granted that's rare in dev/engineer land 👍
I did this with 1 staffing company. They were different contracts in IT so two separate companies but used the same staffing firm. I was paid every week and cleared about $4000/week (combined) after taxes. I'm technically no one's employee and doing temp labor through some staffing agency
@@mistermiyagi6073 "We?" Staffing companies are glorified administrators. They don't know the companies very well or their needs. They just want to be paid well to sit in the middle and send out emails and make phone calls
I feel so related to your story. Not because I work 2 jobs (I don't, but I do have several side hustles). The narrative part ... Jesus. I think it's one of those things that I need to work harder on
Yeah man, you don't need two jobs to get lost in your own narratives. I think it's one of those life time battles. When I'm consistent with meditation it seems to get better.
There isn't any laws with DOL that say you can't work multiple jobs. Most jobs don't care unless its a competitor or in the same industry for policy based conflicts of interest.
Just got caught by my second job, I'm doing 2 jobs because of health issues in my family. No regrets. Manager was surprisingly, suspiciously cool about, he even offered to send me a German jersey *if* I stay 6 months which I felt was a bit passive aggressive but only time will tell. As you said, most of these things are all in our heads! Thanks for posting this
@@AlejandroRodriguez-dt5it : Your name seems to be Spanish. Cos the government also uses AI as well, or that the tax office uses AI as well ? So simple really. Not very difficult. Your assumption that a company needs to use AI. But you have not thought that the government already uses AI to check their taxes as well ? Weird isn't it ? Why would automation happen then, if their tax filings are not actually also automated ? WELL... I now get why the UK Government actually HAS enacted... the nationality laws, as well as the border control then ! I bet you... if HMRC catches you. Then out you go. Carry on speaking.
Absolutely right. When I screw up at work I constantly tell myself "Man, Jess is going to go OFF when she finds out." But, when she does (often), her ACTUAL reaction far LESS muted than I thought it would be.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm thinking about doing this. If you can handle it and get away with it, and it doesn't cause issues with your quality of work, why not maximize your time!
Man thank you so much for this video. The advice you gave seriously resonated with me and my current struggles trying to move away from full time freelancing to more of a permanent position . Seemed like a random video on my feed and it really helped me make sense of some of the negative thinking patterns I constantly have. You got a new sub 👍
Same I'm moving out of full time freelancing into a permanent role 6th June but u can't help but think about doing there both at once.... Having a stable salary takes away stress allowing me to pick only the best paying projects.
Great video mate, it's something I'm.working towards... my thoughts are its normal to have a second job or side hustle and if you can manage both then why not.
Wow man. That’s awesome. I wish I knew what it was like to have a company that was worried about losing me. Genuinely doing my best and just always feeling like you’re nothing but a number.
Never disclose if you have a second job or have any other responsibilities that have specific time frame that you can't work at as this will be something your employers can abuse. My father got a job while he was in college because my grandfather didn't want to help pay for it and wanted him to start working immediately, he was doing okay while really busy but once his bosses/leaders found out, they scheduled work around the time he was supposed to be at college and gave him more work that he couldn't decline or he'd be fired, so they got him to quit college as they made it impossible and he couldn't sustain it. This is just one story and it has been a long time since it happened but don't assume that company will do what is in your best interest even if it doesn't cost them anything, even if the quality of work you put in doesn't decline, they will get jealous of you and will just want to screw you over, there are a lot of people like that. Also there are a lot of people in the comments that are really dumb saying they literally own me and my time outside of work and i have to disclose anything else i do, if you guys want to be corporate slaves, don't ask me to be one. Your employer buys the time and effort of the hours you have on the document specified and everything else i do in my free time is my problem and if the work i do for them doesn't decline in quality, they have no right to complain even if i have multiple part time jobs.
@@tauntingeveryone7208 That's kind of specific on where you live and what you need to disclose to whom. You also need to understand that everyone breaks laws almost every day and some laws just don't make sense and no one will bother you if you ignore them. I need to take my best interest at heart and if i am not hurting anyone in any way, i don't see the problem. While i wouldn't be protected under some laws if i don't disclose some information, i can be fine with that decision no matter the outcome.
Depends, is this a side gig or a full on work for two different companies during the same business hours? I went through tens of comments and no one brought up if working at two or more jobs runs into a conflict OR why at one job would there be so much free time to take another job (if there is overlap of hours)? I have a day job and also a side gig that has a few employees who do the day by day work. During the day though, I make an effort to not work on the side gig even if here might be some occasional hours of 'down time'. The regular job, which I more or less like, is paying me to be connected and accessible during the hours I declare and I do not think it is moral to do a side hustle in parallel.
No body cares about your lame opinion, stop typing please! How is working two jobs so you can earn more money not moral? It’s not like anyone is promoting selling meth or crack on the side as a hustle!
I recall seeing both of the closing videos. If you decide to not talk to the cops you better know your rights for the location. I've worked as a contractor for most of my career; working with multiple clients, that's a lot to keep track of ... two full-time gigs is crazy. Hats off to you!
There’s definitely a problem in America if people need to live in a dual income household and then work multiple jobs on top. This is why our children are being raised by nannies or daycare. The parents need to raise their kids. The rise in mental health issues must have some correlation to the absence of parenting. The middle class continues to get squeezed.
Does he have a family? Does he need both to get by? He explicitly stated that he is in a spot in life where he wants to work more and make more, not that he needs to. What you’re saying could be true, but this doesn’t apply to him.
i think from what TS is saying is that people NEEDing 2nd jobs sucks. this guy probs doesnt need a 2nd job but does it anyway, so its probs ok for him @TS.
people don't "need" to, they want to. most "office" jobs do not require anywhere near 40hrs of work each week - if they do, you're not good at your job. if you have the time and want to work a full schedule, why not double your pay?
When I went to my boss to disclose that I was pending an offer for a second job, he was just happy that I wasn’t leaving. I don’t have the kind of job where I can work remote (BMET) and I haven’t gotten a raise to combat inflation so I decided that side work is better. The only thing he asked was that it doesn’t interfere with my on call schedule which is fine. My second job was just happy that they found a technician certified to work on their equipment so they’ve been extremely flexible with me.
Well done, *VortexTrace* - I’m grateful that you are actively combatting these individuals of low moral character. It is crucial that we take every possible action to protect the elderly and the general public from these detestable scammers! Congratulations to you!! You deserve the highest recognition for ensuring our safety, my friend.!!!!!😊
I worked 2 jobs, and then 3 (long story). Would never tell any of the 3 employers that I had other jobs, because then they would forever be suspicious when I'm a few minutes late to a meeting or a little delayed responding to an email, etc.. Not worth the hassle, and not willing to risk finding out if any of my managers would be as cool as your was once they found out.
My girlfriend at 18 worked 3 Jobs. She was always open about her other jobs and employers loved her drive and she was able to keep that up for years until burnout happened.
spot light effect is 100% true but is also makes sure we cover our tracks and maintain doing that so it causes stress but makes you more fine tone your moves
Over employment is only illegal when you work for 2 agencies that are competitiors or do business with each other. If your 100% remote look for another job in a different state and different industry.
If I'm working a remote software sales job now, what should the other job that I look for be? If it's just another remote sales job in a different industry like solar, I'm think it would be too difficult. Should I pivot into software developer?
@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 Whatever you think you can handle. Software development would be the best option in my opinion because both roles will complement each other. From the sales job you should be familiar with the product and how its priced and bargained. If you become a developer in addition you can make over 200k just off one developer job if you get good at it. Also consider hardware sales...products like Cisco, Palo Alto, Check Point, etc. in networking or cybersecurity.
@@PoloJ410 thanks for the detailed response. I'll have to look into if I'm allowed to do hardware sales incase there's a non-compete clause in my contract (tbh have no idea maybe I should ask a lawyer). Also, do you think it's possible to do 2 different types of jobs? For example instead of 2 developer jobs or 2 sales jobs, it could be 1 of each
@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 yes it's possible. I work in IT my main area is cybersecurity but I can do just about any job including networking, analysts stuff, help desk, server admin etc. U can also choose a different shift. They have overnight soc analysts positions in my field. You can literally get paid overnight for just sleeping
@@PoloJ410 this was great info, I definitely feel more encouraged and informed now. I still got some research to do. Is it okay if I reach out to you on Discord or email or something?
As long as your work doesn't suffer at any of the jobs, an employer can pound sand if they don't like that you are working multiple jobs. I'm working 2 jobs now and perform well at both. The only issue is that I sometimes have overlapping meetings at the different companies, which means I have 2 devices open at the same time and typically have one meeting on closed captioning. I often have spillover work into the weekend, which is fine with me. It helps a lot if the jobs are in different time zones, which mine are. I have one in Eastern Time and one in Pacific Time. Both tech jobs but in different industries. Not advisable to be working for Verizon and ATT at the same time or any 2 (or more) companies that are considered competitors.
I used to work for a blue chip tech giant and my contract explicitly prohibited me from owning shares in or holding any role in our direct competitors. For example you're not allowed to be C-suite at Company A while being a non-exec on the Company B board. That's not just questionable, in my industry it was actually illegal.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 Yes, of course if you want to work multiple jobs you can't violate your employment contract at any of the jobs. I actually worked as an assistant to a guy who was working two jobs remotely. He never gave me any passwords, but I was doing global admin work for him (as him using his credentials) at two huge multinational companies that you all have heard of, which gave me access to sensitive data, which I'm certain violated his employment contract. He also had me sitting in as him in meetings all the time (daily), and I would take notes for him and alert him if he was being called on to participate. We had a chat app on our desktops so we could communicate in real time outside of the live chat that each of the companies used. I would have to sign on to a host computer every day that was in his home office so the company could never see that a computer outside of his geo location was accessing company info as him, and he could monitor what I was working on by just looking at the host computer. I lived many states away from him. And this guy was a high level employee, a systems architect managing a team of engineers at both jobs. He was making about $750,000 a year with his combined income from both jobs. One of the tasks I did for him was filling out his time sheet every week for both jobs. I should say that I am not some random guy he found to help him. We had known each other for years and had worked together in the past, so he knew he could trust me to not wreak havoc. It's possible that lots of remote tech workers are doing this. These guys are clever and have the know-how to bypass any effort the company may make to catch this sort of thing. When I stopped working for him he was actually taking about getting a 3rd job because he was a wizard at automating tasks and had simplified the bulk of both of his jobs by writing code.
So glad you're spreading this info, I've been trying to tell people but I'm also worried about the negative impact... How many people out there only do the right thing for fear of consequences? If you tell those people the fear is really the only thing stopping them it might make the world a much worse place.
I will never understand why companies care. As long as the deliverables are on time and quality, let me do my thing. Glad to hear it all worked out.
Ok bro do your thing, I'll just pay you half your salary.
@@alainportant6412 Salary is based on skillset. If the work the company gives isn't enough to fill a full eight hours; is that on the employee or management? I suggest you modernize your mentality. The pandemic has exposed the old style of corporate dictatorship and the skilled workforce is no longer subscribing.
It depends on how they view what they are paying for. If they are paying
for time, you’re not giving that to them. If they are paying for x amount of work to be done, then maybe, but it feels dishonest…
because they want to own you
@@cashisqueen3825 I don't believe any employer is paying simply for a person's time. You're time has to be worth the investment. If my milestones and deliverables are met within expected timeframes and quality; then my obligation as an employee is fulfilled.
The notion of remaining "gainfully employed" i.e. busy work is a mismanagement of the skillset for which I was hired. Companies need to understand that certain skillsets are high demand, particularly tech. If they cannot accommodate flexibility amongst that labor force they are doomed to fail.
Despite all this, NEVER TELL ANYONE IN ONE OF YOUR COMPANIES THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER JOB. You can get very lucky and be like Jake if you have a SUPER cool boss - but most times even if the boss claims it's "cool" that will give them EXTRA REASONS TO RETALIATE AND DEMAND MORE WORK FROM YOU. Simply don't even think about it
I never thought of it like that, If I have two jobs, I don't fear of losing one. So, I'm always up front no matter what job, I always say I have two jobs. I'm like what're you going to do, fire me? I have another job, it won't really won't hurt me. I don't like being controlled. It's crazy how if you can survive with one job before, yet you still fear of being fired. At that point, I always felt in control, not my employer.
@@RubyMVmistress The problem is it gives corporations reason to prepare and legislate against it or pull something to enable them to exploit people's time more, demand commutes etc etc. So I'd keep as quiet about it as corporations keep their own schemes private too - just a business matter. They don't need to know how many jobs you have it's none of their business
@KG Wrong. They don’t have the right to ask or to know anyone’s personal business - so it’s OK to lie and say NO when they ask if you work other jobs.
Will the company tell me everyone they’ve done business with? No they won’t. So why the double standard?… Why would you think they have the right to invade your professional privacy?
@@thebrunoserge i agree. but some jobs put it in the contract that you can't work for others
@@xybersurfer Joke’s on them because they have no right to tell you what work you can do in your private time - they just pay you to do work for them in addition to living your life. Ignore and continue
I worked for two jobs, and when my first job wanted me to come back into the office, I thought I would be honest. They insisted that I quit my second job and that I was lucky they weren't asking for any money back despite being happy with the quality of my work. And their words, 'we just want you to work for us, we don't want you to work anywhere else'. So I told them I quit my second job under duress, and months later I am still doing the two jobs. I have just worked it that I manage to get into the office too. It's a lot but as a consequence, I have managed to get out of debt, clear credit cards and accumulate a five-figure savings fund. I have no idea how people manage to have more than 2FT jobs. I have heard of people that have 4-5. I work in tech.
It may be because of your ethnicity that your employers were much less tolerant.
Wow glad it worked out for you. This is my goal. To find 2 remote jobs so that I can clear my debt, fix my credit and save for a house!
Go for it, life is too short to be stressed and in debt when you can do something about it. Update: I quit my first job and replaced it with one that pays me 4x and is remote. We have to go out of our way if we want something different, there isn't anyone that will give it to us. All the best. @@MiyaDavis
I had 6 jobs before! It was all flexible hospitality jobs that I worked using different apps
Yup, this is not a matter of technicals, it's a matter of politics. The fact you delivered 100% but still were angry is because they lost trust on you
This is so spot on. Knowing that literally NO ONE ELSE is thinking about us the way we think they are, is the most liberating feeling. Your energy is everything
It’s because we are not the center of the universe and we’re not that important lol 😂
Stalkers are a thing too tho
Yeah no one except for at least thousands if not millions of other people.
*I don't want to scare anyone but....millions of people do this all the time. Its call being a consultant. You deal with multiple clients across multiple states or countries. The fact is that many companies simply want to control your freedom - how you dress, your time, your behavior, when you can eat, etc.*
YEP how can anyone limit your income. As long as your not working them lit at the same hour and minute.
What's funny is when you ARE a consultant, and companies say "you need to dedicate your time to us" and "we consider every other company to be our competitor".
A consultant has to keep hustling for his next gig. A company gives you consistent work and relative job security.
That tradeoff comes at the price of flexibility because companies want you to be dedicated to them and not their competitors.
@@strauss7151 Companies don't give you job security unless you are on a contract with a favorable severance clause. Even then, the company can just opt to pay you to F off. Even major employers like Netflix will nuked half their staff when times get tough. You are always replaceable, even if it's your own company.... Just ask Jack Dorsey. Traditional Employment _USED_ to be safer bet over entrepreneurship/self-employment... before wages deflated (they didn't just stagnate, btw), back when loyalty and tenure was rewarded with more than a snickers bar and a "certificate of appreciation" that some high schooler made in MS Paint 20 minutes ago.
Consultants have as consistent a work as they're willing to go earn for themselves, and if you're good enough for someone to pay you, you're probably good enough to close clients and keep stable business... unless you went into consulting in a field/area that isn't recession/lockdown-proof.
The *real* trade-off is that being an employee takes almost every shred of independence away from you to serve your laziness and unwillingness to do the hard work necessary to get paid the *actual* top dollar as an expert in your field. You pay a company for the convenience of having a ready-made business structure, by way of simply getting paid less than what your value-add can demand. But if it's any consolation, 90% of people just want to be told what to do all day so they don't have to deal with the stress of being "truly" independent, which sounds fun but is an entirely exhausting (but rewarding) endeavor... (there's a reason why most fail by year 2). And they absolutely will take crap pay just to not have to be the one _making_ the to-do list.
Amen brother
I did this and was honest with my boss at one company about it, but not the other. He didn't care and was impressed. Both paid decent but not great income, but combined I was able to eliminate all my debt and save up a good amount too. Back to working one job after doing it for almost a year. It was really intense and I had no free time, but getting caught up financially like that really saved my life.
As far as I'm concerned, all restrictions on workers post employment and during employment for things like exclusivity, should be made illegal. If you can definitely conduct both jobs adequately, they should not be allowed to stop it. Contracts that state you must only work for 1 employer should be illegal.
except that most employers pay based on someones time commitment and not necessarily on tasks completed. clauses such as (simplified) "we will pay you X for your commitment to working for us from 9am to 5pm." its usually not "we pay you X and expect you to finish X work, by the way you have the rest of the day off if you finish early." sometimes its like that; not always.
@@TheJustinShowAndCo Right but if you get both jobs done then you get both jobs done, who cares
Definitely not. If you ran Home Depot, would you want your most private secretary to also be the private secretary of the Lowes’ owner?
@@wittyusername9544 you can always sign an NDA.
I mean if they are paying for your time then it makes sense. They are paying for your time. Unless you are a contract worker which he isn’t referring to
My uncle always says “if you act like you know what you’re doing, nobody will question you”. He was talking about using golf carts at a country club without renting them but I think it shows how little people pay attention to you, so do what you want.
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@Mary Harrison we are haha
That works at any level it just depends where you decide to deploy it
@@awh4272 it’s about the timing
@@TheLemon420 that too. I snuck onto centre court wimbledon last week and I can tell you for sure, timing is key.
Dude this video is awesome. I attempted the same thing recently and only got away with it for 2 months before quitting the new job. The second one being wayyy to demanding of my time. Really cool to see someone else perspective on this but we shared a lot of the same opinions. When you have a family to feed you’ll do whatever it takes even if it means breaking the rules
Dude! A similar thing happened with me. I'm a Mobile App Developer, and I was in the process of looking for an additional job, except that I was approaching it from the perspective that I'd hold two jobs. I was interviewing, and blatantly telling the hiring manager, "Look here's the deal, I prefer to work in a flex role because I have another job." They would ask me why I needed it to be flex so bad, and I'd simply tell them. "I can't work both of my jobs if they interfere with one another. My intentions are to give 100% to your company but I also intend to give the other company 100% to them." Surprisingly, even telling them, I received several offers. I told my first company about the new job at the second one, they were also "Just happy I'm not leaving, but if performance decreased then I'd have to decide what to do." My performance never decreased, they never noticed a difference and in fact I got a promotion. My second company was happy and they also promoted me within 6 months. Both parties knew, both parties were happy, I got paid.
fucking nice man, im inspired to do this myself now
how many hours total you work per day?
That sounds so nice. My boss got mad when I had to go to the emergency room saying “we lost productivity with you gone” so…he would not be happy if I was working two jobs.
Honesty gets people out of more messes with employers than it causes. I've always been honest with my employers and they almost always appreciate it because it's such an uncommon thing. Good on you 🤘🏼
Wow that’s awesome
Rule 1 of being over employed. Don’t talk about being over employed.
Haha it didn’t turn out too bad.. It was actually nice I didn’t have to keep it a secret from them anymore
If you have to work 2 or more jobs, you're underemployed.
@@TheyRiseBand not really there was one guy on an over employed forum who was working 2 tech jobs and was make over $500k
@@ohhaiJess96 what fourm did you go to?
@@TheyRiseBand underpaid** fixt
It's actually relatively straight forward. The higher quality of an employee you are, and the more that's known in your company, the more things you get away with. That is, if the employer itself is also of a certain quality.
Happy you had this outcome! 2 observations: 1) we can easily accomplish current workloads with a 4 day (or less) workweek without sacrificing productivity and 2) if companies want you but can't afford exclusivity, then they shouldn't have it
Most large companies would be more concerned about this UA-cam channel then doing more work on the side. A high percentage of lower wage workers have had second jobs.
Also, this really only works if you’re good at your job. If you aren’t great then knowing someone has another job makes it less stressful to let them go.
4 day workweeks only really work if you have a set task to do online... most of us have jobs in thing like fast food or skilled trades, 4 day work weeks just mean 1 day of lost productivity.
You're assuming all things don't have a hard time restriction. Anything manufacturing related can only be completed so fast. It's why we are having a chip shortage. Too much demand and not enough time to make them all. I work 12 hours a day 5 days a week just to keep up with production. During the busy season, that goes to 6 or even 7 days. Not because we aren't being productive but because there is a hard limit on how fast you can produce. Most people don't work at a desk after all
@@yeetandskeet People are more efficient when they work less.
I got caught working two jobs years ago…totally could have done it just fine- yet one found out about the other and I had to fess up. I was on speaker on a meeting and got caught 😂🙈 felt like an idiot but at the time I was a struggling single mom and I did whatever I had to do to make ends meet! Don’t regret it!!
Did they fire you as Result?
what was your job? my phone doesn’t stop ringing long enough to catch a breath much less work another job
You're a single mother and working two jobs? You've nothing to worry about. You truly are the epitome of human strength. Thank you for all you do.
@@ivanberdichevsky5679 truly the epitome of idiocy has a baby outside of marriage/divorces her husband works two jobs while the rainbows raise her kids.
@@anonymousnoticer have some empathy what if husband died, went to prison, changed character and is a deabeat, cheated you don't know her life duse
Glad it all worked out. I've worked two remote development jobs for more than 2 years now, Early 2020 I was working three and they all knew about each other and could care less as long as the work that I've dedicated to is done, done well, and productivity hasn't been effected. If you are cool with having no life and more money, it's easy to get a job as a web developer : better yet, multiple jobs lol
How did you manage 3 jobs? Were they all full time?
One was 40hrs the other was up to 30 hours. Late nights, early mornings, and consistency made it possible. The third was as a react instructor gig where I taught 1 class on Saturday mornings while grading and answering questions during the week when I could find time. I didnt plan it that way but the job I really wanted came through a week after accepting the instructor position, didnt want to quit any so I just toughed it out with all three until the course I taught was complete then dropped the instructor job. but in good standing. Wasnt easy but where there's a will there is a way. Although it was tough I saw it as a blessing because covid hit at that time, the world was shut down, and many workers were layed off and businesse shut down but I was fully remote and over sustained by my role as a web developer. Truely a blessing to my family.
So basically, you were actually in an "electronics commune" ?? So they must know one another then. Kind of like the "Metaverse" then, isn't it !!! Well.. why even get paid ? OH ! Is this why we are now talking about things like a "token" ?!!?!?!..... This world is just... sick sick sick. And even though I was in tech myself.. but what is happening is very ridiculous.
@@princessm8977 : It is not a "job". He basically "talked" to somebody online.. across the globe.. via a skype like thing.. and then he calls it a "job". But all he did was "talked". That is what he did. There is no way that people would not get prosecuted.. or more.. like this.. and from everywhere else ! We need to break out of this bad tech cycle. Really.
Did u have any contracts that says Exclusive efforts and commitment
If a company doesn't want you to work a 2nd job, and they want to keep you, then they should pay more. Problem solved.
Why "should" they anything? One can always ask and be upfront about it but that's it.
@@edheldude because if you need to work an additional job after you become employed due to life changes, you should be able to do so. Maybe you now have a child, so you need more money. Therefore if they say you can't work a 2nd job, then they should pay you more if they want to keep you. Its also none of their business what you do when you're off their clock. This is still America.. for now.
Unfortunately that never works for them nor does it end well with you if you ask for more money if you leave that other job.
Some people are so greedy that they will still work a 2nd job anyway, or for lifestyle choices (learning skills in both jobs or friends). Ideally you haven't found a job that's made you fulfilled if you still have two jobs.
Rather than it being a company's responsibility, it is the YOUR responsibility to look for a job that could support your lifestyle. I feel like that's a more constructive mindset.
I worked two jobs for about 2 months before getting laid off from one of them recently and I must say it was amazing financially wise. I was able to save enough money to pay off my car that would have taken me another 2 years to pay off otherwise!
Update: I just a new job offer that is remote and they are completely cool with me having a second job! 😁
Is it possible to have 3 remote jobs, or would it have been no bueno?
@@Ou8y2k2 Yeah it's possible but I probably wouldn't advise it unless one was super part-time. Like 10 hours a week, otherwise you'll probably be too busy to do anything other than work.
what type of jobs do you get?
@@erict6374 Hey man, I work as a graphic designer
@@jimmyprestonart awesome man TY!
Your time and stress level is yours. Unless the two companies are direct competitors, or you fall behind at one of them, why should this even matter? -- Brilliant video and point! Keep going!
The way your company reacted is incredibly progressive also a testament to your talent and the relationships you've built there.
"progressive." Barf
@@DickToles exactly.🤢
Wrong, it’s a testament to how understaffed the industry is. He should have just said he never took that job. And before people say oh that’s a lie, he was already lying to everybody and still is to his second job.
@@DickToles ?
I’ve been working 2 full time jobs for 14 months. It’s crazy I came across this video. It was crazy at first and I was scared of being caught. Every zoom meeting for months I would think it was a hey your caught moment. Thank God never happened. My first full time employer leaves me with so much free time. I literally would take naps throughout the day before starting job#2. Then I was like hey, I could be making some more money here at home. I haven’t looked back. Gets stressful at times but it really depends on how bad you want it and need it. I need and want it!
No remote meetings overlapped?
Where did you find your side gigs or second job?
do you not have hours of meetings a day for just one job? how you would schedule two?
@@Ou8y2k2 I had overlapped meetings, then you start noticing most meetings dont really need your full attention so I just took both at the same time LMAO sounds crazy and it is! But then again, it's crazy to have so many meetings in one day
Kinda jealous ngl. What two jobs are they if you don’t mind?
Now you have a totally different outlook on your job(s), ability, worth, outlook and options. This creates confidence that you always have a safety net under you just incase. No more intimidation. Something most people never achieve until a year before retirement. You will never feel bullied into a corner because you know you are capable and have options. Good for you!
You have a strong foundation for your channel, and will be well on your way. Great story and experience! 2 paychecks (even just for 8 months) can be a game changer.
I appreciate it! And yes two paychecks is amazing. I was thinking even if I could pull it off for a month and collect two extra paychecks I would be happy.
@@JakeFerrin 8 months is amazing, I recently pulled 6 months and saved great money. Def looking to do it again soon
It definitely can be a game changer! I worked 3 different jobs in 2019 and 2020 to buy as much bitcoin as possible before the price continued up.
Wow
As a Biomedical Engineering Technician, I have a clause in my contract that forbids me from working two jobs. Otherwise I would be working two jobs, albeit, my job is not remote. I love my job and the company I work for. Always takes care of us in any way we need. Even said if he ever won the lottery, none of us would have to work again. Lol. The purpose of this rant is that, whatever job/career you choose, make sure it's one that you love and make sure there's a level of respect between you and your employer. It makes a world of a difference.
I am so glad someone else finally out into words what I’ve experienced my entire life, I have this overinflated view of authority as well. I was raised in catholic school so I think this might’ve been where that was instilled. Great video and great life lesson!
Its obvious from these two companies' reactions that you are very good at what you do and they think highly of you! Congrats and keep up the good work!
I love how you turned this StoryTime into real life lessons so seamlessly! It’s giving ✨professional storyteller✨ Vibes 💁🏾♀️
You’re one hard working and talented man, that’s why they rather you work two jobs than loose you …
This reminds me of another scenario that is happening a lot. People are so accustomed to working remote that when companies start calling them back into the office, some are saying something like "hey, my family and I really want to move. can I continue to work for the company remotely if I move to another city?" If the company says yes, the employee just gets a mailing address in another city within the same state and lists that as their new address with the company. Then they just have any mail forwarded to their actual home address. Two of my friends have actually done this.
Nice trick
@@MygenteTV hmmm how would this work if they know your ip lol. i guess you can say we havent moved yet... lol
@@pain-wx2lg here is the thing IPs don't work as many people think. Now days they are dynamic and is not like they can see where you are. In they need real equipment to be able to see that and also know how to do it
@@MygenteTV
I feel like if he is asking because he fits in that demographic.
@@jtechnstuff bro, I'm certified penetretion tester with more than 100 valid reports(5 alone for the US federals) I know what I'm telling you, only the police and some agency can pinpoint you out of a IP. I can give my own right now and you won't know where I'm. Some times and only some time, you may get the country off an IP, maybe get lucky and get the city. But you are not getting the exact location. And thats a fact
This is awesome to hear and doesn't actually surprise me much. I am a supervisor in STEM, and even with our lower level positions, I don't want to lose anyone and have gone out of my way to accommodate a couple people who let me know they had other life or work obligations. It is simply easier to work with them and accommodate them (if they're good) than go through the hassle of posting a job, interviewing people, training someone, and *hoping* they work out. One in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think this will become more common. Great video.
Great video! Something else to think about... If you have a non-compete, make sure that the second company is not on that list or conflicts with the language of your non-compete. Glad this worked for you!
You’re going to get extremely big on the internet at this rate with content like this. This video was amazing. Thank you. Looking forward to more!!
This message is spot on. I used to worry about so many things and get all worked up before finding out if it was even anything to worry about. You must be an amazing employee to have your boss just be relieved you weren't leaving. I just found you and I'll check out some of your other videos. I like your style.
Jake, this video was extremely entertaining. I went through various difference emotions just listening to you. Fear, anxiety, giddiness, happiness and finally I learned something from you about the spotlight effect.
I think you should continue to pursue UA-cam. Im subscribed and looking forward to seeing more from you
as a fellow WFH employee i'm glad to hear other's experience this irrational fear based on stories they tell themselves. good vid, new sub
I'm 100% remote (since 2020) but my 2nd "job" is caring for my kids. So while doing my job I do things for my kids instead of the idle work chatter. even go on breaks and go for walks. Sometimes I grab my laptop and go to the park...it's...amazing. I still do my job (probably better) AND I get to be with my kids/family. They could fire me for doing this because they do take some time away that I could -wasting time at my desk- working and in yesteryear plenty people had lost their job because they had family obligations. If you are still doing good work, it would be absolutely stupid for a company to fire you for greasing the wheels. It would be the ultimate "I own you" move and I wouldn't want to work anywhere that does that.
There's a subtle difference between what you're doing and what's being done in the video (full disclosure, I do the same thing as you, so there might be some bias/justification). You're doing your one paying job and (probably) adjusting your location and/or hours as necessary to care for your children. You're doing the one job, but working with management (hopefully) to adjust your schedule.
What it appears is happening in the video is he's simultaneously working two jobs, meaning, he "clocks in" for both at the same time and alternates tasks between them throughout the day, basically "stealing" from both companies. Now, I know there's some justification about being on-call while working for the other company, so assuming you can drop whatever you're doing and work for the other company at the drop of a hat, maybe. However most companies have a clause that doing this is cause for immediate termination. Now, if you're working one job in the morning and another one in the evening there's no issue, as they don't overlap.
@@michaelmurphy2112 well it’s likely that he’s on salary, so as long as the work get dones the ‘clocking in’ doesn’t matter. It’s probably more project based so there would be no stealing of time lmao
I need a job so bad!
sounds dreamy... I hope to be in the same position soon. It's annoying when coworkers want to chat and show me stupid ass listicles or FB videos during my little bit of*actual* free time at the office when i'd rather be learning/practicing my craft/reading a book to further my knowledge, etc as I'm actively looking for a new job.
my ideal start time would be 9:00-10:00AM so I could squeeze a bike ride in early every morning tho, lol
What job do you work where the work load is that light, that you are able to take breaks?
You are actually very smart for thinking and acting efficiently like that. Never had that idea before
I grew up poor and was taught to be wary of things that look like they're too good to be true. So when I got an offer for a full time position with a salary way better than my current position, I secretly kept both for three months. I still ended up having a lot of free time, even with two jobs but sometimes I couldn't make it to meetings and felt bad about lying to them so I quit my older job.
This is a great video, I think us employees don't value ourselves enough. In a situation like this you would think that your current employer should make a counter offer to keep you, not fire you because their pride was pricked. In the heat of the moment our thoughts are seldom logical, however.
how did you stil have free time?? were both jobs full time?
@@caterinas6863 Yeah, they're both full time. I was just very quick to finish my tasks and I didn't dally. Most people spend a lot of time just socialising or taking smoke breaks. I sat down for 4 hours and finished my 8 hour schedule.
@@caterinas6863 once you get good enough you can speed through tasks. The problem for the company is that youre not fully committed to the work quality. You are just in auto pilot doing what you already know, never doing anything new or breaking new ground.
@@pt8292 a lot of positions do not require ground breaking stuff. Depending on your tasks in most cases you need to be on autopilot to get through. However, many companies would have a conflicts of interest framework. So if you second position is with a competitor or a partner of your current company, this is a big no no. But the company I work for is open to review your second position and allow you to work both jobs as long as your deliverables/targets are met.
When you interviewed for the better job offer, did you tell them you were still working for the other job? How did you bring that up, if at all?
So, to be honest, I'm going through this right now, this morning as I watch this video. I'm not working two jobs lol but, I am in a state of fear, the spotlight syndrome, the imposter syndrome, the fear of authority. I'm watching this video on my way to work right now, and your message let my shoulders drop a little bit :-) thank you, this has changed my morning!
Wow!! my armpits are sweating right up to the reveal. What a great story. Thank you for sharing this. I can see the truth in your points. I also want to explore working 2 remote jobs. Thank you again.
Nobody thinks about you as much as you think about you. Good stuff man!
This all comes down to how good you function with your team and how good you are at your job. Congrats brother
I didn't get caught, I let both companies know ahead of time and even went through the compliance department for each and neither cared....I have said this many times, as long as you are up front and honest and have a good reputation, both companies would want to keep you.
Great story! Its good you have a team and company that genuinely care about your goals and didn’t turn it into something else.
Very inspiring story here man, I appreciate this. I do identify as one of those that fears that the employer might be watching. I would be paranoid about working two full-time jobs - asking questions like “How do I make these two meetings?”, “What if one employer finds out that I’m using their time for the other job?”, it’s crazy. But thank you for posting your experience, it’s amazing. I definitely view things differently. I do agree that they’re not worried about me, lol. They’re trying to cover themselves. At the same time, I don’t think we can be cavalier about things either. You can’t get too comfortable.
Very true. You have to play the game and put on a show to some extent or you’ll be the first to get fired when things get bad for the company.
Wouldn't you rather live life with a clear conscience?
Man these have to be the coolest bosses ever man. I been trying for months to land a job in the IT world starting out as a freelance/self employed with many years of experiance, but haven't had luck getting accepted anywhere remotely or locally. Aside from that this is definitely one of the coolest stories i ever heard & man is it great to hear when a company truly cares about their employees. Positive vibes all day man thank you for sharing!
Dude. I've been thinking about doing this exact thing for a while now. Good to see an example of what could happen in action. Thank you for sharing your story.
For other people out there that want to "try" this. Becoming a freelance contractor is the safer option. You are able to lay out the terms for the contract and include the clause that allows you to hold multiple contracts. At that point, you become your own boss, and you work WITH and not FOR the companies in question.
With the amount of over time I do every two weeks. I essentially work a second job. Lucky enough to have unlimited overtime for the last 2 years with no end in sight. Working remote has been the best thing for me.
I really love this story and better yet, I love the way you replied after being caught. Your overall mindset is great, and you are very accurate on how fear controls people.
Man, I appreciate the kind words 🙏🏻
Love this. I’ve been working full time and going to school full time. I’ve actually gotten better at my job because of it and people don’t care that I do school at work because I get stuff done. Love to see that other people are pushing the boundaries!
Also, I hope this means you’ll be making more videos.
You got caught because ppl all knew each other...They should never care. Awesome!!!! Glad for you ❤️
As an outsider it's kind of interesting to me that you thought you'd get fired. There are plenty of people who work more than 1 full-time job to make ends meet. Unless you've signed some sort of contract stating you'll work exclusively for the company during your time there, I dont think it's even legal for them to fire you for getting a second job. If they want you to themselves, they need to pay more.
I think the idea is that he's working two full-time jobs simultaneously, which could upset a company that's paying you to work for *them* for 8 hours, and not working for them *and* another company. Just a thought though...
@@dylan_00 I mean as long as his consistency and quality of work hadn't changed I dont really see a reason for them to have a problem with it, but I guess I could see some management definitely getting fussy, thinking they solely own your work time and effort.
@@dylan_00 Most managers know that one literally doesn't actually do 8hrs of work at the job and if someone is crazy and ambitous enough to do two jobs. Then that person has great potential if they do get to keep them later on.
Depending on the state he is in, he could be employed "at will". Meaning a company can terminate an employee at any time for pretty much "any" reason. One of the companies could pretty much just say "it's not working out, you're fired" and you would have to somehow prove they were firing you for something that is illegal on their end. Pretty much every company in that case would drag that case out as long as possible, making it easier to just cut ties and find a new job.
@@dylan_00 8+8
Tech jobs seem to have such a hard time finding folk they can rely on/get work done I'm honestly not surprised by your boss's response. If you can handle the workload why care? I guess the only real concern would be if both jobs were direct competitors AND you have a non-compete clause but eh.
Tech jobs are now in that "bubble commune" position. Why should there need to be more ? LOL...... LOL..... It means "I am paying you now, to annoy me at work, and then you have your real life at home" position. You know that a market or a sector has already saturated when... there are videos about the tech, and not the adverts about the jobs about the tech. There are videos about the tech... about the past... and about the existing position.. So it means that.. the jobs are done. It is like saying... there is an apple... and there are some apple juice on the floor. And everybody is talking about the apple tree, and the apple juice on the floor. And the robotic cameras keep filming the apple juice.. and it keeps filming the apple tree as well... What more do you want? Blood ? I see no issue with the current market. Do you ?
"The younger generation always eat the elders."
My guy I’m afraid you’ve written a copypasta
You sound selfish.. first off his first company is being ripped off considering he has time to do both jobs. They are paying for work to be done towards their own company not both simultaneously
Nice! I’m trying to figure out how to do that. The hardest part is finding two compatible jobs that makes the schedule doable.
Any company that fires an employee for having a work ethic that is far and few in between - deserves to lose the employee. Any hiring team with any sense would hire you in a heartbeat.
,but yer can't violate your contract if it stipulates that you cannot moonlight at the local deli on top of your regular. working a lot don't mean being extra serious. and i don't know what the supposed secret that was when his gov name is on here and any employer can quick google. chile ! , currently enjoy la Palenqueta the cacahuete.
Then why is he making a video? I would be working.
The saying is “few and far between”
True, but 'common sense' isn't very common though...
Thanks for sharing! The fear thing is so spot on. I recently cofounded a startup whilst working, in a similar industry but non-compete, and strictly doing startup work at weekends and on my own time, and slowly gearing up to leave my job. My mind played out a million and one different scenarios of telling my current boss that I was leaving. Everything from thinking they were going to claim I was doing work on company time, to suing me for the business being similar 😂 Even though I knew I wasn’t overlapping the two roles, and that the businesses were totally different, I got so stressed about it. In the end I told my boss and he congratulated me, and even offered advice and help for my new venture haha. You can never truly guess how someone will react!
Tbh bro, this worked out because of 2 things.
1. Your coworkers and boss are great.
2. You are a great worker and have a great personality. Considering how your boss reacted XD
I should have said this before but thanks, working two jobs never occured to me until I saw your video and I have been working two jobs for 6 months now. The only issue I've had is the odd meeting clash but apart from that it's been good and for the first time in forever I actually have savings. Thanks!
I really appreciate the timing of this video and you elaborating on what you mentioned before. I believe you, me and I’d imagine a few others here suffer from imposter syndrome.
It’s obvious your boss valued you a lot more then you had realized. You’re right. It’s the stories we tell our selves that often hold us back. Again, thank you for sharing.
P.S.
BREAK THE RULES!
Boss was afraid of losing another worker in a tight job market, even though it's wrong.
Good employees are something people want to keep. Obviously your a good employee. You were worth keeping despite taking a second job that could have effected your 1st job. They even moved meetings to help you. That's a good employer and your obviously a valued employee
This was a really good videos. I couldn’t do this myself with the type of job I have (Tax Consultant) but I love the way you’re encouraging others to open their perspective with breaking the rules. Great story, great lesson, great video!
That’s your takeaway!’ Your takeaway should be: Don’t tell people your personal business, because LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!
As an older person in the workplace, I would always tell the new (younger) members of staff - Don’t sweat the small stuff. I had an example of where I sent an email from my bosses account to everyone in our data base - I was supposed to do that - I was not supposed to put a read receipt on it (I did this automatically without thinking). The minute I hit send I realised. Omg. I had the worst night possible. I made up all these stories in my head of how he was going to be so mad and I would get fired. Worst night possible. Came in the next morning. He walked past my desk, shook his head with a little smile, said you won’t do that again will you, and never mentioned it again. He literally had received 5000 read receipts on his phone from all over the world the entire night.
The moral - worst case scenario rarely happens. Of course for some it does, but generally, as you say, we build things up in our own heads and that rarely comes to pass.
You can retract emails.
You and I have a very similar story. Mine didn't find out but I ended up quitting the second job after 6 months. Way I looked at it as a manager was as long as there isn't a conflict of interest and you're performing how I expect, then I don't care what you do.
@@stevearcher6100 haha, yeah. The second job I actually never did any work at all for them…. The first, I probably work about an hour a day. Tech field.
@@rickchandler2570 what job did u hold that you didnt do any work at all for them?
@@brightboakye3996 Sorry but the one thing about doing this type of thing and actually getting away with it is keeping your mouth shut about it. Kinda like fight club. You never talk about fight club. Even after leaving a company, you don’t want to divulge who it is as you never know how that might come back to bite you.
@@rickchandler2570 got you my bad man well good to hear for you!
My father (retired now) was high up in a company where someone got fired for their side job. They had a private business doing something totally unrelated to what the company did.
That itself wasn't an issue had it been done on private time, but the issue arose when this employee attended to their business on the main employer's time and in the main employer's office. Their contract of employment specifically stated this was prohibited.
Fired for breach of contractual terms, not the side hustle itself.
~ Although I have largely cut back in recent years, I used to create crazy narratives or nightmare scenarios when I was younger. You are right about this fear wasting our time. I am happy to see you made it to a positive paradigm shift. Best of Luck! Thank you for sharing!
my similar story...
Worked at McDonalds for more years than I'd like to admit. While working there I persued an 9 month tech school... opening my own business...some temp jobs..etc. They all didn't pan out for one reason or another and I kept circling back to McD's. My motto was...never let go of a rung of that coorperate ladder until you're other hand is firmly grasped on the rung above the one you're at.
I eventually got hooked up with a job in construction doing mostly painting. I worked this job from 7am to 3:30pm. Then I would start my McD's shift from 5pm to 11pm. I did this for A YEAR before I told my construction boss I was thinking of quitting McD's. I wanted reassurance from him that I had a future working with him before I quit. But he just sort of shrugged his shoulders and said "do what ya gotta do"
Well I quit McD's and no more than a month later my construction boss more or less laid me off (just stopped calling me for work was the way he did it) Never told me that he was planning on retiring and just doing side work for freinds and family.
So I went from working two jobs for an entire year to braving up and quitting one of them than instantly finding myself having neither job. Yeah... I suppose I could have gone back to McD's. They would have taken me. but I just couldn't do it...again. Eventually I kept hitting the classifieds and found a good medium between hard working labor and being under qualified for the white collar world.
But my thing is this...holding on to a sucky job in fear of losing it because it's the best you've got didnt help me at all towards climbing that job ladder of success. Neither did working two jobs lol. But if you are a go getter and put yourself out there I think you'll find something...decent enough that can hopefully pay the rent.
And that right there is why I am learning another field for a career change. Nothing is worse than being stuck in a dead end job with no growth potential because you're afraid it might be the best thing available for you. I'm tired of limited skill sets and zero job security. Good on you for making that big jump even though it didn't pan out. Lots of growth from that I'm sure.
Guys this is great and all but in reality you'd get your ass fired in a second. Honestly this guy is probably damn fucking good at what he does and having him leave would hurt the team way more. He's an exception, the fact that they moved meetings to accommodate his timing says it all. It's funny the comment section actually believes they can also do this lol xD
I do this and have neen doing it for 5 months.
Both jobs know about each other.
It works fine for me.
Just saying.
@@v.m.4453 the point isn’t that it can’t be done. As evidenced by this video and you, it’s possible.. but you are not the norm.
This is more common in software engineering & other salaried jobs. It goes a step farther where some more senior guys are actually just on retainer at a bunch of companies where they are paying them just for the promise that they will come back instantly and help if they need it…but they never really need it & forget they are paying these guys a lot of the time I feel like.
Oh no, one of my two jobs fires me and now I work one job like everyone else. Such a waste to collect double pay in the meantime!
@@AutarchKade lmao
This should become more mainstream because technology has enabled us to work remotely and do more and achieve more. If you can take on another job without affecting your current job and it’s not a competitor, companies should allow you to
This reminds me of something I hear a lot… instead of focusing on what would happen if it doesn’t work out, ask yourself “but what if it does?”
I always worry the same way, you kind of opened my eyes. Going to get the showel and gloves tonight. Thanks bro, advice of a lifetime!
So, for those who are interested in working two jobs there's some things that I learned that may help
1.) Consider how healthy working relationship with your boss is at the job you currently have should influence whether or not you tell them you are picking up a second job. I've very rarely had to work in secret, and I've always been able to get said second job without retaliation and with them understanding. However, again, if your workplace is toxic, or has some of kind of rule against you working two jobs, prolly just keep it a secret.
2.) When you are interviewing for your 2nd job, you can use the fact that you are currently working one as evidence of your experience and work ethic. While some employers do get dissuaded by the potential conflict of interest, I have found that many are impressed with someone who is willing to work 2 jobs to better themselves, and are often pretty accommodating to make sure the two jobs don't conflict. However it isn't necessary to tell your second job that you have a primary one. Just make sure that you don't take the job without setting boundaries that allow you to make your first job. Prepare to come equipped with good white lies to back up your reasoning lmao
Jake, I’ve known you for years. You’ve always been sincerely, unapologetically you. Pure authenticity flowing through here. Loved the video and keep them coming.
It really depends though. I like that your boss didn't care at all because he's essentially doing it but not all companies are gonna be like that or bosses. Especially if you are put in a position to choose one company over another for non-compete purposes. In that case, there should be a precautionary step to ensure you work in totally different sectors and industries with your skill set as that will be the only way to really get around that. There are some that are just the devil where they only want you to work on their time and no one else's while on their clock and those are the companies to avoid like the plague since overemployment is very common and it's just gone digital in recent years.
What are some industries or companies you would recommend for this? Do you know anyone doing software sales remotely that found a way to balance the 2nd job and if so what was that industry/job?
Yeah, this is very odd and unusual. I wonder how much his channel/social media factor into this, if the companies are very small, and if Jake is doing something so hard to replace at both companies (which is foreseeable at old employer, less at new). Or maybe it's a area specific tech culture?
Where I'm at no job would tolerate this, the "best" you would get if found out was a offer of a raise (and massively increased work) to quit the other. Even if they're 100% WFH and task/project work they would take this as meaning that they need to give you 2x the work you currently have. Especially if this information is cross team like this. Your boss MIGHT be cool with you just knocking out your work and doing whatever after, but now all the other team leaders will be talking about your team and your boss' boss will know. The team with "such a light load they can, and allow, their people to do the same entire job somewhere else at the same time". And your boss now has to defend you, and themselves, to their boss when they inevitably hear about it. Also nowadays almost every company has some kind of general "you MUST inform us if you make a single cent outside of here on anything" policies in place that would make firing you for this your fault, labeling it as a willful violation and conflict of interest/intellectual theft if they want to.
I do think this kind of work culture and 99% of noncompetes are BS though, but that's the current reality.
Unless you sign a noncompete, as long as your work isn't suffering or interfering there isn't much they could really say. Some management would be butthurt and fire you or ask you to quit the other job, but hopefully those managers like that are few and far between.
Yup, very true. It's more an unspoken rule or expectation that you're giving all your time and focus to the company.
The only thing that would change it is if you're hourly, and they claim wage theft because you're splitting some hours between the two jobs. Granted that's rare in dev/engineer land 👍
I did this with 1 staffing company. They were different contracts in IT so two separate companies but used the same staffing firm. I was paid every week and cleared about $4000/week (combined) after taxes. I'm technically no one's employee and doing temp labor through some staffing agency
What role was it, and what staffing company
we're gonna put a cap on that
@@mistermiyagi6073 "We?" Staffing companies are glorified administrators. They don't know the companies very well or their needs. They just want to be paid well to sit in the middle and send out emails and make phone calls
I feel so related to your story. Not because I work 2 jobs (I don't, but I do have several side hustles). The narrative part ... Jesus. I think it's one of those things that I need to work harder on
Yeah man, you don't need two jobs to get lost in your own narratives. I think it's one of those life time battles. When I'm consistent with meditation it seems to get better.
There isn't any laws with DOL that say you can't work multiple jobs. Most jobs don't care unless its a competitor or in the same industry for policy based conflicts of interest.
Just got caught by my second job, I'm doing 2 jobs because of health issues in my family. No regrets. Manager was surprisingly, suspiciously cool about, he even offered to send me a German jersey *if* I stay 6 months which I felt was a bit passive aggressive but only time will tell. As you said, most of these things are all in our heads! Thanks for posting this
How did you get caught?
@@AlejandroRodriguez-dt5it : Your name seems to be Spanish. Cos the government also uses AI as well, or that the tax office uses AI as well ? So simple really. Not very difficult. Your assumption that a company needs to use AI. But you have not thought that the government already uses AI to check their taxes as well ? Weird isn't it ? Why would automation happen then, if their tax filings are not actually also automated ? WELL... I now get why the UK Government actually HAS enacted... the nationality laws, as well as the border control then ! I bet you... if HMRC catches you. Then out you go. Carry on speaking.
Congratulations! ❤️ That’s an awesome outcome!
Absolutely right. When I screw up at work I constantly tell myself "Man, Jess is going to go OFF when she finds out." But, when she does (often), her ACTUAL reaction far LESS muted than I thought it would be.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm thinking about doing this. If you can handle it and get away with it, and it doesn't cause issues with your quality of work, why not maximize your time!
Man thank you so much for this video. The advice you gave seriously resonated with me and my current struggles trying to move away from full time freelancing to more of a permanent position . Seemed like a random video on my feed and it really helped me make sense of some of the negative thinking patterns I constantly have. You got a new sub 👍
Same I'm moving out of full time freelancing into a permanent role 6th June but u can't help but think about doing there both at once.... Having a stable salary takes away stress allowing me to pick only the best paying projects.
Dude i came here to do research about overemployment and left feeling motivated about life wtf. Subscribed btw
This is the kind of video you’d expect from a 1 million sub channel. Nicely done.
Great video mate, it's something I'm.working towards... my thoughts are its normal to have a second job or side hustle and if you can manage both then why not.
Wow man. That’s awesome. I wish I knew what it was like to have a company that was worried about losing me. Genuinely doing my best and just always feeling like you’re nothing but a number.
Hello Jake., as long as 1 job is not affected by the other and you can deliver, you are an asset. Assets are kept by companies.
Never disclose if you have a second job or have any other responsibilities that have specific time frame that you can't work at as this will be something your employers can abuse.
My father got a job while he was in college because my grandfather didn't want to help pay for it and wanted him to start working immediately, he was doing okay while really busy but once his bosses/leaders found out, they scheduled work around the time he was supposed to be at college and gave him more work that he couldn't decline or he'd be fired, so they got him to quit college as they made it impossible and he couldn't sustain it.
This is just one story and it has been a long time since it happened but don't assume that company will do what is in your best interest even if it doesn't cost them anything, even if the quality of work you put in doesn't decline, they will get jealous of you and will just want to screw you over, there are a lot of people like that.
Also there are a lot of people in the comments that are really dumb saying they literally own me and my time outside of work and i have to disclose anything else i do, if you guys want to be corporate slaves, don't ask me to be one.
Your employer buys the time and effort of the hours you have on the document specified and everything else i do in my free time is my problem and if the work i do for them doesn't decline in quality, they have no right to complain even if i have multiple part time jobs.
@@tauntingeveryone7208 That's kind of specific on where you live and what you need to disclose to whom.
You also need to understand that everyone breaks laws almost every day and some laws just don't make sense and no one will bother you if you ignore them.
I need to take my best interest at heart and if i am not hurting anyone in any way, i don't see the problem.
While i wouldn't be protected under some laws if i don't disclose some information, i can be fine with that decision no matter the outcome.
Depends, is this a side gig or a full on work for two different companies during the same business hours? I went through tens of comments and no one brought up if working at two or more jobs runs into a conflict OR why at one job would there be so much free time to take another job (if there is overlap of hours)? I have a day job and also a side gig that has a few employees who do the day by day work. During the day though, I make an effort to not work on the side gig even if here might be some occasional hours of 'down time'. The regular job, which I more or less like, is paying me to be connected and accessible during the hours I declare and I do not think it is moral to do a side hustle in parallel.
No body cares about your lame opinion, stop typing please! How is working two jobs so you can earn more money not moral? It’s not like anyone is promoting selling meth or crack on the side as a hustle!
Moral? Unless lives are at risk, forget about morality.
@@Ou8y2k2 Some people just type because they have fingers, don’t pay attention to that moron!
I recall seeing both of the closing videos. If you decide to not talk to the cops you better know your rights for the location. I've worked as a contractor for most of my career; working with multiple clients, that's a lot to keep track of ... two full-time gigs is crazy. Hats off to you!
There’s definitely a problem in America if people need to live in a dual income household and then work multiple jobs on top. This is why our children are being raised by nannies or daycare. The parents need to raise their kids. The rise in mental health issues must have some correlation to the absence of parenting. The middle class continues to get squeezed.
Does he have a family? Does he need both to get by? He explicitly stated that he is in a spot in life where he wants to work more and make more, not that he needs to. What you’re saying could be true, but this doesn’t apply to him.
Some people are more motivated and ambitious than others. This is the case for this guy
i think from what TS is saying is that people NEEDing 2nd jobs sucks. this guy probs doesnt need a 2nd job but does it anyway, so its probs ok for him @TS.
people don't "need" to, they want to. most "office" jobs do not require anywhere near 40hrs of work each week - if they do, you're not good at your job. if you have the time and want to work a full schedule, why not double your pay?
At 80 hours a week it’s barely enough to survive
When I went to my boss to disclose that I was pending an offer for a second job, he was just happy that I wasn’t leaving. I don’t have the kind of job where I can work remote (BMET) and I haven’t gotten a raise to combat inflation so I decided that side work is better. The only thing he asked was that it doesn’t interfere with my on call schedule which is fine. My second job was just happy that they found a technician certified to work on their equipment so they’ve been extremely flexible with me.
Well done, *VortexTrace* - I’m grateful that you are actively combatting these individuals of low moral character. It is crucial that we take every possible action to protect the elderly and the general public from these detestable scammers! Congratulations to you!! You deserve the highest recognition for ensuring our safety, my friend.!!!!!😊
I worked 2 jobs, and then 3 (long story). Would never tell any of the 3 employers that I had other jobs, because then they would forever be suspicious when I'm a few minutes late to a meeting or a little delayed responding to an email, etc.. Not worth the hassle, and not willing to risk finding out if any of my managers would be as cool as your was once they found out.
My girlfriend at 18 worked 3 Jobs. She was always open about her other jobs and employers loved her drive and she was able to keep that up for years until burnout happened.
spot light effect is 100% true but is also makes sure we cover our tracks and maintain doing that so it causes stress but makes you more fine tone your moves
Over employment is only illegal when you work for 2 agencies that are competitiors or do business with each other. If your 100% remote look for another job in a different state and different industry.
If I'm working a remote software sales job now, what should the other job that I look for be? If it's just another remote sales job in a different industry like solar, I'm think it would be too difficult. Should I pivot into software developer?
@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 Whatever you think you can handle. Software development would be the best option in my opinion because both roles will complement each other. From the sales job you should be familiar with the product and how its priced and bargained. If you become a developer in addition you can make over 200k just off one developer job if you get good at it. Also consider hardware sales...products like Cisco, Palo Alto, Check Point, etc. in networking or cybersecurity.
@@PoloJ410 thanks for the detailed response. I'll have to look into if I'm allowed to do hardware sales incase there's a non-compete clause in my contract (tbh have no idea maybe I should ask a lawyer). Also, do you think it's possible to do 2 different types of jobs? For example instead of 2 developer jobs or 2 sales jobs, it could be 1 of each
@@scrotiemcboogerballs2133 yes it's possible. I work in IT my main area is cybersecurity but I can do just about any job including networking, analysts stuff, help desk, server admin etc. U can also choose a different shift. They have overnight soc analysts positions in my field. You can literally get paid overnight for just sleeping
@@PoloJ410 this was great info, I definitely feel more encouraged and informed now. I still got some research to do. Is it okay if I reach out to you on Discord or email or something?
As long as your work doesn't suffer at any of the jobs, an employer can pound sand if they don't like that you are working multiple jobs. I'm working 2 jobs now and perform well at both. The only issue is that I sometimes have overlapping meetings at the different companies, which means I have 2 devices open at the same time and typically have one meeting on closed captioning. I often have spillover work into the weekend, which is fine with me. It helps a lot if the jobs are in different time zones, which mine are. I have one in Eastern Time and one in Pacific Time. Both tech jobs but in different industries. Not advisable to be working for Verizon and ATT at the same time or any 2 (or more) companies that are considered competitors.
I used to work for a blue chip tech giant and my contract explicitly prohibited me from owning shares in or holding any role in our direct competitors.
For example you're not allowed to be C-suite at Company A while being a non-exec on the Company B board. That's not just questionable, in my industry it was actually illegal.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 Yes, of course if you want to work multiple jobs you can't violate your employment contract at any of the jobs. I actually worked as an assistant to a guy who was working two jobs remotely. He never gave me any passwords, but I was doing global admin work for him (as him using his credentials) at two huge multinational companies that you all have heard of, which gave me access to sensitive data, which I'm certain violated his employment contract. He also had me sitting in as him in meetings all the time (daily), and I would take notes for him and alert him if he was being called on to participate. We had a chat app on our desktops so we could communicate in real time outside of the live chat that each of the companies used. I would have to sign on to a host computer every day that was in his home office so the company could never see that a computer outside of his geo location was accessing company info as him, and he could monitor what I was working on by just looking at the host computer. I lived many states away from him. And this guy was a high level employee, a systems architect managing a team of engineers at both jobs. He was making about $750,000 a year with his combined income from both jobs. One of the tasks I did for him was filling out his time sheet every week for both jobs. I should say that I am not some random guy he found to help him. We had known each other for years and had worked together in the past, so he knew he could trust me to not wreak havoc. It's possible that lots of remote tech workers are doing this. These guys are clever and have the know-how to bypass any effort the company may make to catch this sort of thing. When I stopped working for him he was actually taking about getting a 3rd job because he was a wizard at automating tasks and had simplified the bulk of both of his jobs by writing code.
this is a wholesome story i'm so glad this worked out for you. Awesome man!
So glad you're spreading this info, I've been trying to tell people but I'm also worried about the negative impact... How many people out there only do the right thing for fear of consequences? If you tell those people the fear is really the only thing stopping them it might make the world a much worse place.