I used my caliper and got the below thickness results- pioneer X- main blade: 2.71mm Bottle opener: 2.2mm Can Opener: 2.11mm Super Tinker- Main Blade: 1.98mm Bottle Opener: 2.0mm Can Opener: 2.0mm
SAKs are incredible. Never any blade wobble, walk and talk, edge bevels, overall fit and finish, etc. are always excellent and at such a low price. The common problems with slip joint knives are almost non-existent with Victorinox. People exaggerate edge retention, so they criticize Victorinox steel. But I cut cardboard all the time with my SAKs, and they do fine. Victorinox steel excels in all other categories: corrosion resistance, ease of sharpening, chipping resistance, sharpness, etc.
The quality of the lighting in this video is exceptional. Very pleasing to the eyes, both the foreground and background. Well done! Top notch audio too.
@@JonGadget Just found your channel today, and I'm going through all your videos. Really impressed at the high production quality right from the first video: audio, lighting, quality content... all good stuff.
I finally broke down and purchased my first SAK a couple of months ago despite being a life-long jack knife carrier and I’ve got to say I’ve developed such a genuine affection for Swiss Army Knives in general even though I own a couple of beautiful edc folders with premium steel that I also carry. If I had to choose to carry only one knife for the rest of my life I would definitely choose a SAK even over a far more expensive premium knife all day long! There is just something so romantic about these classic folders that is truly undeniable…at least as far as I’m concerned ❤️
Your dilemma is amusing to me, because I had a similar debate between the Farmer X and the Fieldmaster. My initial debate was on the fact that I wouldn’t need the Phillips head screwdriver since I intend to use the knife for various kinds of pruning tasks in the garden, but the thought kept creeping back in, “But what if you find out after the fact you really did need that screwdriver?” What finally settled the debate was the sewing eye on the awl/reamer. I don’t know leather-working yet, but I decided to teach myself and the sewing eye adds an important function in that craft.
I love the look and feel of Alox but will always carry the classic red scales. The scale tools have become a daily use for me. Like many, I’ve grinded out the extra slot in the plus scales, but also added a slot in the front scale, giving me room for 7 tools (pressurized pen, toothpick, small tweezers, large tweezers ground down to a fine pound for splinters and tick removal, the ferro-rod, and two magnetized pins) that I would be without when using the Alox. Aside from that, the classic red scales are very nostalgic for me. My grandfather would always carry a large Victorinox when I was little, and I remember him using it all the time, from fixing my bicycle to cutting open a snack wrapper. Appreciate your EDC videos; I credit them to my switch from the Leatherman Wave to the Swiss champ, as well as my further appreciation of Victorinox in general. Cheers!
30-plus years of using Victorinox knives, and I only learned today that there is a distinct difference between the "93 mm" knives and the "91 mm knives", that the 93 mm range has more robust blades and tools. Now I'm considering getting one, but I can't decide quite which. In the past, I've used the Huntsman and SwissChamp in the 91 mm range, but never owned a 93 mm range Victorinox. The only Victorinox I carry on a daily basis now is the 58 mm Rambler, which is very possibly my favorite knife of all time and certainly my most-used knife.
Great comparison! Didn't know I needed a Compact until now... Been carrying a Pioneer X since they came out and I love it. Recently picked up a Super Tinker to throw into the EDC rotation, but I think I might toss a Compact into the rotation as well. Just discovered your channel, BTW. Some great content. Really enjoyed the videos on your kits. Very practical and well thought out without any gimmicks. Take care!
In my honest opinion, the deluxe tinker is forgotten far too often. It really has everything you need (if you don't need a saw because when you're not a bushcraft person) and is still very compact. The deluxe tinker is always there and i have never missed any functionality in my everyday life. I also added the pin and put the plus scales to have the pen. For me by DISTANCE the best EDC!
My to go to is the huntsman with the plus scales to make it more urban friendly, i am an outdoor hobbyist but im not outdoors all the time but i find the saw pretty handy in some urban situations tho, making some chocolate flakes for desert hahaha, also sometimes some tree branches are to long and people who take care of that dont notice it i just cut it off with my saw (ofcourse for both situations i wash it first hahahaha)
@@MrSuvvri buy some plus scales for it (its not expensive at all) on etsy or any places on the internet (but buy one wich comes with the pen) and you have the ultimate urban EDC with you hahaha
Compact is a great tool and has every day issues covered. Splinters, note taking, cutting loose threads or opening post with the knife or beer with the combo tool this SAK is great. At work I have a leatherman surge. The truck has a leatherman wave+ and at home I have a shed full of tools.
Watched a bunch of your reviews lately, in the middle of a philosophical reboot of a lot of my edc type stuff and I'm enjoying your (and a number of other) channels ability to review a product with relatively little subjective information, and precisely zero bent towards ridiculous theories like "Oh my God the world ended I'm a SAS/SF/Ranger now, this one pocket tool will have to get me through Armageddon!!!" Just reasonable uses by reasonable people, keep doing what your doing!
I agree with you on your choice Jon. My compact I use as my EDC during the work week for it’s additional functionality. My pioneer X in red is my more casual carry in the rotation.
I’d say the Pioneer X mainly because you don’t have to worry about durability of the Alox nor the tools, which are more robust. One thing you don’t mention is the cost in the comparison. The two knives are essentially the same price. But, the kit additions to your Compact have added at least $20-30USD. When that is factored, why not just add the rambler (or something like it) for about $25 to your keychain. I’d rather have that with the file, toothpick and tweezers for those extra needs, minus the pen and ferrous tools. You still get magnificent but drivers on the Rambler. For those reasons, I’d take the Pioneer X and Rambler over the Compact. And if you lose one, you’ve still got the other! Cheers.
I'm in complete agreement with this video. I've owned both for several years (and lots of other expensive pocket knives). Yes, my PioneerX is unquestionably the better built, higher quality, more luxurious knife, but I find that I just can't give up that pragmatic Compact toolset. From the pin (for ejecting your celphone sim tray) to the glasses tool (summertime sunglasses arm tightening) to the little pen (signing random receipts) it's just such a thoughtful everyday urban/suburban workhorse. If you own one and brush aside all pretention, in the long one it will be the one that wins the war of attrition for your pocket. At least for me. I just wish victoranox tools came in higher quality steel because damn, I'm sick of the frequent re-sharpening.
I have a No 7 Alox in silver. In fact, I have two. Brilliant knives. Lovely, thick blade stock and smooth, positive action. The saw, and in particular the hawksbill blade (a highly underrated blade), get the most use. I wish that the saw had a liner lock, but as an EDC option, little comes close.
Jon the quality of his videos and transparent and impartial analysis, conquers the public more and more. Congratulations for this great review. Hugs from Brazil!
Personally, the Huntsman is the EDC tool for me. I live in a rural area near a forest, and own quite a bit of the forest aswell, so it definitely is useful, apart from that I also carry a small foldable saw and a carving knife with me at all times
@@greekveteran2715 note technically for hiking, but it's fantastic to take the hot lid off of your bushcrafting pot, to twist some metal wires together, pulling tent stakes out of the ground, doing and undoing complicated knots, as a handle carrying a plastic bag (especially garbage bags) that otherwise cuts into your palm, carrying a slippery heavy fish, touch zippers, stubborn pull-tabs on cans, kick-stand for your phone, to pull out nails out of a baseball bat, to pull out the tools out of your bigger multitool.
I remember being so stoked for the release of the Pioneer X, then summarily unimpressed upon taking delivery of mine. It never saw the inside of my pocket. Great vid!
@@allemander It all boils down to personal preference. I’ve found that I like the light weight and extra implements in the scales of the cellidor 91mm models- not to mention the extra tools on the back. Years and years of carrying pocketknives, and I’ve found that 2 layers is the most I carry in a SAK. The awl on the Pioneer 93mm range is second to none, but not enough to warrant the extra weight, bulk, and lack of functionality. If I were inclined to “go big”, I’d carry the Climber or Explorer over the Pioneer X. But again, this is just my preference. I appreciate the robust nature of the Alox models, but at the end of the day I feel they underdeliver when compared with their 91mm cellidor cousins.
I have spent a lifetime wearing a tool pouch or pocket carrying tools for work so both these options are light carry to me. I prefer a point on my tweezers so I carry a Sliver Gripper on my key ring. I never considered the toothpick any more sanitary than carving my own toothpick from a twig. The Compact is a great “don’t know it’s there” carry for those inconveniences that come up. I personally prefer the Farmer X Alox since I find need for the saw and having the awl on the end of the knife rather than centred on the handle. The only bad thing I have to say about the Compact is that it is so light that I forget I’m carrying it until I’m halfway to the toolbox. This was a very good presentation of both knives.
You can put a point on the SAK tweezers with a grinding stone on a Dremel tool or even a file. Extra tweezers are available and inexpensive if (like me) you need a bit of trial and error to get things just right. Just a thought.
Well done! I love your reviews. I have both knives and come to the same conclusions as you. The compact for EDC is unbeatable with its ideal weight and tools.
Hey Jonathan, I've become a massive fan of yours, your videos are top notch material, very pleasant and relaxing to listen to! I've recently finally acted on my childhood fascination with SAKs and started sort of collecting them. The Alox series, while lacking in some of the tools, is just so appealing, I managed to get myself a Pioneer X in red, and it's just so nice. I've got my eyes set on a black Alox Cadet, but it's just so hard to get one. Also, I can't wait to replace my keychain Classic with Silver Alox MiniChamp. You also got me hooked on when it comes to the Compact. I've realised I can only fit a two-layer SAK for pocket carrying (as a female in close-fitting jeans anything thicker becomes very noticeable). The Compact seems like the best option for me to combine with my keychain multitool. The only thing I wasn't able to get is the pocket clip.
Thanks for the feedback Katerina, I am really pleased you are enjoying the content. The red Pioneer X is a really great option. Compact is still my EDC. Google Keysmart for the pocket hanger - there is another similar product too. It is a game changer for carrying for such a low cost item. Good luck with your collection.
I use a victorinox bantam alox and a Classic sd alox in my wallet so I don't forget them when I leave the house, they have all the functions of the Pioneer x, except the punch which I rarely use, but they are only 6 mm thick which makes them makes it highly portable. Almost no one uses a pen outside of work these days. The hook has more use than the pen nowadays.
Hey John, thanks for a great review. Every time i watch one of your reviews on a SAK, i end up buying it. You’re killing me, LOL. I really enjoy your videos.
I only have one alox, I believe it is called the farmer... it has the wood saw. I like it but I carry the compact every day. Being American, I also carry a thicker locking blade in my other pocket for heavier cutting jobs. thanks, I really like your channel.
If you want a light Swiss army knife and you can't decide between the Pioneer- X and Compact then go for the Climber. A 3 layer set with a large and small knife, bottle and can opener, scissors. On the back parcel hook, reamer/punch and corkscrew and tweezers & toothpick.
I would Go with the Pioneer X because in the long run its going to out last the compact also it's got much better driver's and stronger tools / just a stronger allrandr poickit knife even the farmer x is better and a very little bit bigger size for the saw thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Well each is designed for a different persons edc. For a casual urbanite, the compact is great since you don't need the heaviest duty tools and the pen really sells me on it. For someone in a more outdoorsy environment, then the farmer or a different pocket knife may serve you better. Each knife is purpose built, so best to understand your scope of commonly encountered uses.
@@aboriginite I'm 💯% with you this is the reason where all on UA-cam looking at the reviews maybe someone might just want one blade on there Swiss army knife form the small 58mm right up to the 130mm yes I understand what you're saying but I'm just saying i like the victorinox pioneer X over the victorinox compact I've also got both of them and use both for different tasks but yea i understand what you're saying thanks for your reply 👍🏻
I purchased the"Cadet"not too long ago, and now I have the "FarmerX" which I think is the better deal, because I can EDC my favorite on a sheath on my belt.
I’m a bit confused about the idea that the Pioneer X would outlast the Compact. I haven’t met a Victorinox knife that isn’t high quality and built to last. I have Victorinox SAKs going back to the 1990’s. Why do you think the PX would outlast a Compact? Is it just the scales you’re talking about?
Swiss army climber is my EDC of choice. I love my Pioner X. Have used my Regular Pioneer (Black) now for over 6 years and its my EDC for work as its non threatening.
I personally carry a compact x alongside my swiss tool. My swiss tool lacks the scissors but has the serated blade, so the compact gives me the benefit of these. The pen is invaluble, as are the tweezers and pin for dealing with splinters. I rarely use the knife on the compact for work purposes, preferring to use the heavier swiss tool. As sutch, the compact is always extremely sharp and the blade cleaner than the swiss tool, so it is better for emergency first aid tasks. As a point of interest, i wear the swiss tool on my left hip and with the pocket clip hanging it it over the waistband of my work trousers or jeans. It never comes loose is easy to acess and does not get in the way when working, driving etc. The compact goes in my right pocket. The compact is too light a tool for daily work use, hence my preference for the swiss tool, but the extra functions it gives are so practical.
I EDC a Hiker. Has all the tools I need and the "normal" style phillips screwdriver works for me. It compliments the Leatherman Wingman I wear on my belt nicely. I'm a building maintenance tech and these two tools have saved me countless trips to my truck when noticing the loose doorknob or lock set. I use the leathermans blade as a "beater" blade for things like scraping glue, saving the hikers blades for cutting chores. Just a winning combination. BTW, the quality of your videos are outstanding. Lighting, audio, and content are top shelf!
Very thorough, detailed, unbiased comparison. Thank you for sharing and I also wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for turning me onto the Compact model overall not long ago in the first place. It wasn’t on my radar initially but it’s a beautiful little edc on those days I might not want to carry my slightly bigger, heavier and bulkier Huntsman and/or Handyman. I’m now considering purchasing one to have available to slip into the pocket of a pair of shorts on those days when it’s uncomfortably hot and do so without unwillingly sacrificing my edc. That’s not going to happen.
I've been using my compact for many years as my EDC knife. Love its two layers reduced profile, pen, SCISSORS, screwdriver, tweezers and pin. I also use its hook, but only for fishing purposes (knot tightening) More tools add weight and thickness. For field day y prefer having a saw as well, but not for the city.
I love the Army-7 (harvester?).. I drilled & tapped the aluminum scales on the side opposite the red shield and attached a spiderco titanium pocket clip. It's totally badass. It has been my EDC for nearly 3 years. I plan to buy another and do the same thing, keep as a backup in case I lose the one I currently carry. Anyway, love your victorianox reviews.. thanks to you I am doing to buy the spirit-x. Thank you.
Great video Jon. I tried carrying a Pioneer X for a month or so but I just couldn’t get on with the additional weight (and I missed the toothpick!). I went back to my Spartan / Super Tinker rotation. Incidentally, I carried an explorer (which is still own) for a good 10 years. Owned it since I was 16 , I’m 50 now.
The orange colour on the 2021 Pioneer X is really attractive. It looks much better in person than it does in photos. I can't wait to see what colour they choose for the 2022 run.
Excellent review. Agree the Compact is better suited for EDC. If only Victorinox would allow one to customize a knife to include preferred tools that would be fantastic!
@@Johonavich49 some come with pliers, although they’re not heavy duty- and yeah the lack of pocket clip is annoying, there’s a lot of aftermarket options but we shouldn’t need them
If you want to go for the pioneer x, take the CLIMBER into consideration too, because it is about the same size, about the same weight at 97grams, and it has everything the huntsman has minus the saw. If going for the pioneer X, I'd rather go for the climber instead, getting more tools and functionality for the same size and weight, and you get the scale tools as well. If wanting the least weight and size, then neither of them is relevant and you should go for the compact. Or for those wanting the most possible tools, they can try to buy the Wenger Giant with 87 tools and a whopping 1374grams or just over 3 pounds.
As much as I like the Alox scales. I prefer the Plus scales. I like the extra small tools you get. Also I use them more as to why I carry 91mm Victorinox with Plus scales. I also love the hook with the nail file! Keep up the great videos!
@@JonGadget I am such an idiot! I was checking out my alox collection and I already own this knife. 🫤 well… at least I’ll have a mint in box backup now. Off to find a gray one now. 🤣🤣
I'd really love to have a closer look at the Pioneer X, but I'm good with my Waiter and Huntsman, so I'm considering to give it to my dad for his birthday. The Alox versions are gorgeous, but the loss of functionality is undeniable as you said. I don't think he'd miss those functions, though.
Great video!! IMHO the Compact SAK it's a better casual urban EDC, slimmest with very useful "accessories". Under my experience: opening the "hidden slot" of the "corkscrew scale" there's an space for a short tweezers .. and the teethpicker comes again to our SAK! Hurraaa! I'm a fan of your high quality videos. Regards from Germany.
Super Tinker for my EDC. Have been using it for the last 6 months and I love it. Was using the slimmer Tinker for years but I found more need for the scissors and the slightly thicker form of the ST fits nicer in the small pocket of my jeans for work. I was a knifehand for 16 years in 2 abbatoirs, so I know a quality blade steel when I sharpen them. Love these knives. Will be moving to the Explorer for EDC when it shows up. I'm a big fan of most Victorinox products, I even have their Inox Automatic watch.
I love Victorinox Swiss Army Knives. My oldest brother has one of three metal finishing businesses in Seattle, Washington State, the USA. One anodizes aluminum. If Victorinox needed anodizing in North America, it would be his company. He also gold plates medical electrical equipment which I used in my work extensively when I was an advanced trauma and cardiac paramedic (as well as a firefighter, fire engineer, fire officer and so on). Whatever Victorinox makes I'm for.
Huge fan, got my first LE-Alox thanks to you. Although it’s heavier than the Compact. I got some big hands and can appreciate the extra thickness. A switch blade pocket knife video would be sick. Thank you
I have been looking into getting a Victorinox for a while to replace my small Leatherman Squirt, but for years just couldn't figure out which one because of the large selection, and not having a shop nearby to feel them out. But this channel made me sure the Compact was the right one so just bought it! Thanks for good content :-)
I don't know whether it would be possible to incorporate the scale tools but whether it is or not, a Bantam with scissors - basically an alox Compact - would be great.
@@simonh6371 that’s the Vogageur. Long discontinued. I had a custom one made (finding 84mm scissors was a hassle) and it’s in my pocket every day, best urban carry in my opinion.
@@uncle_ebenezer Thanks for the heads-up, I just looked it up on SAKwiki. Looks great. In some ways the standard caplifter/flathead is a better choice of tool than the combitool. I would buy one of those! Doubtless they're few and far between nowadays and very expensive.
Excellent review! Many thanks for posting it. I do carry the Pioneer X as an EDC because of the size and the Alox scales. I used to carry a Compact an it’s scales pick up damage. Take care!
These are my two favorites too. I have them both, but the Compact usually wins because there's a swisstool spirit in my bag, which covers everything the Pioneer would bring and lots more.
The traditional "Cellidor" scales are not ABS plastic, but actually a form of Acetate (Cellulose Acetate Butyrate or CAB), most similar to what you find on most eyeglasses!
As a normal EDC, the Compact(mostlyaroundthe houseor to the store) . Change to the Pioneer X if you know you're going to be doing something where a heavier blade/tool set would help. I really wish they made a Pioneer EIectrition X. Would be sweet if they made a 93mm version of the combo tool to replace the cap lifter Screwdriver as well.
Agree, I did something similar with a custom SAK builder from CH. We decided to make something like the Electrician Duo and add a scissors layer in the middle. Pretty much my ideal Victorinox.
Bottle opener 90 degree stop: on all *modern* Victornox knives. The older 84 mm (Cellidor and Alox) and 91 mm (Cellidor) knives had no half stop on the bottle opener, but the 93 mm Alox always did, since 1957.
I edc Swisschamp and not missing any tool lol , all available at all times . Yes it is bit bulky , but after few days od edc it in pocket get use to it . Good channel , kind regards 👌
The Pioneer X is my second favorite SAK. Sort of Climber-like but more compact. No tweezers....but carry some on my keys. I will say the awl is one of the tools I use the most frequently. I wish the Compact had an awl in lieu of the corkscrew (I do like the corkscrew, very handy at times.). I use the in-line awl to open boxes, packages, etc...and preserve the edge of the blade from tape residue or dulling. If I don't have my mug with me and get a beverage in a 'go cup' with a plastic lid, I'll use the awl to open a little vent hole in the lid. I've done this too many times to count. I was in an airport with a plastic lid on a coffee cup and reflexively reached for my SAK with its handy awl to improve the vent hole.....oooops.... *** sigh ***... air travel today....... And then there is the Farmer X.......
UA-cam algorithm brought me to your channel. You have good content so I just subscribed. My go-to EDC is a pocket knife pairing with Victorinox Rambler. I live in city environment hence Rambler is handy for small cutting job (small blade or scissors) and dealing with electrical stuff (flat head and Philip screw). When I travel abroad, typically I would carry Victorinox Pioneer X on body to replace Rambler and folding knife, on my casual or formal attire. Obviously I don't want to break the local law while still able to have useful tool on me. Pioneer X with sturdier build, sufficient tools on it while not bulky to carry is a plus, looks nice too.
Victorinox are just absolutely great. The compact is my most carried and favorite model. Lately I've been enjoying having an Alox Electrician with me. It's a Pioneer but has an electricians blade instead of the can opener. The electricians sheepfoot blade is really good too. I prefer the heavier duty Alox tools also. I have yet to get a Pioneer X but I do carry my regular Pioneer quite a bit. The Cadet is another wonderful tool as well. Very small slim and light. I don't typically miss the scale tools as I keep a classic on my keyring which is either in my pocket or nearby if I'm out of the house. Now if they made an alox Compact or basically something like a Pioneer X with a combo tool instead of a separate opener layer. Angle the combo opener so that it fits with the scissors and keep the main blade an awl and it might be able to stay as a 2 layer tool then. Until then I'll just have to buy more sak's until I have them all I suppose.
Carry the Pioneer X and a manager on your keyring. I think that's a pretty good compromise, personally I bought and Evogrip s18 a week ago. Enjoying it because means I can leave the house with only one knife before I carried a Super Tinker and a Opinel or other light weight locking knife. Don't worry I no long live under the Draconian UK knife laws.
Rationally, you are probably right with choosing the Compact. But because of the look, sturdy tools and the reamer, I really love 93 mm Alox, especially colored ones... So my heart chooses the Pioneer-range, and I don't care what my brain says :D
I love the Alox scales but what you win in style you lose in functionality. The compact has a straight pin, mini screwdriver, pen, toothpick, and tweezers, not to mention the tools on the back of the knife. However, I still love the Alox scales and have bought more than a handful over the years. Thanks for the video, I love to watch a SAK discussion.
I like how the combo tool slims down the Compact to 2 layers, but I find it inferior in functionality, to the standard opener/driver set, especially for Phillips screws. At a little over half the Compact's price (less if you compare used ones), the Hiker is a better value in my opinion. It has pretty much the same tools as the Compact but with the standard opener set and the awl on the back, and it's only a little over a half ounce heavier and one scale width wider. There is no pen or file on the backside of the hook, but Victorinox could include those just as easily on the Hiker.
Love the Waiter. Blade, Combination tool and Corkscrew. So light and nimble. Have had a few, and getting another when this one wears out. No snip snip though ;) Use the blade for that. Been sailing, so the Corkscrew is really handy untying wet knots. The alox bantam with a screw would be ideal (Edit: if one has gloves that is, since the alox seems a bit slippery sometimes in a wet environment)
If I was to carry the Pioneer X I’d also carry one of the 58mm with the pen & replace the toothpick with a FireFly Ferro rod. Yes that’s 2 items but to add a nail file, tweezer, FireFly, pen IMO is worth it. Wish the Farmer X came with colored alox scales. Love a saw. The 58mm Rambler in Alox & colors I think would be a screaming success.
The corkscrew is surprisingly good at untying knots and bends. If not too sharp, inline awls sometimes work as marline spikes to untie knots and bends. Both of those knives are nice. I've had a Compact and liked it, the weight and thin profile makes it very pocketable.
I also had a hard time to come to terms which one to choose, and I concluded that the biggest drawback for the compact was that the alox is a nicer looking knife, especially compared to the red scales. So I changed the scales to an other colour and found it easier to stick with the compact. But I'm always going to miss the awl.
Swiss army knives are so good,that you canr easily choose,which to carry. However,for the same reason,you cant go wrong,no matter which you choose! Im getting older,so the Explorer is essential for me,because of the magnifying glass,which helps with reading and/or spot details on objects when needed!
I think if the Pioneer X were in the shorter length of the Cadet and Bantam that it would hard to beat as an ultralight edc. Being around 70g is key for pocket carry in pajamas or athletic shorts. And I think it could lose the reamer and replace the two bottle and can openers with the combo for true efficiency.
The Compact is the way to go if you're carrying a pocket knife in an everyday urban setting. It's the Black .380 Auto Walther PPK of knives. It's not really badass but it carries comfortably and unobtrusively and does it's job very well. We can't carry firearms here in Canada but I suspect that is also true of the Walther PPK.
I have a heavy duty Victorinox multi tool pliers, ironically the awl has been the most useful tool so far. When I had to put screws into hard wood and they would slide off it made the starting hole and they would just drive in. Or when I had to remove some metal clips and I could slide the tip under and pry them out. Since I carry that thing with me wherever I go I am trying a bit too hard to justify getting another Victorinox. But being a collector I guess it's inevitable. Thanks for another great review.
Simply an outstanding channel. The right amount of detail and attention to detail (for me), excellent production value, helped by top-shelf editing. Doffed cap Sir !
The Alox models are nice, but I really like the toothpick, tweezers, and pen. I actually really like the corkscrew and parcel hook too. There have been several times my wife and I were in a hotel and got wine and forgot a corkscrew and I unfortunately was only carrying my Benchmade😒 Also, I've found several uses for the hook.
Some edc-gear works better in a system. For example the alox works pretty well in combination with the swisscard. Great content btw. I really like enjoyed all the Victorinox and leatherman videos. Greetings from the Netherlands!
I've got one combination. On my keys - Rambler with scissors (Manager, if you need pen) + Waiter/Tourist/Cadet alox/Waiter alox in pocket. In my opinion, great and minimalistic combo.
Great review. You are new to my feed. I think your content will become quite popular! Keep up the good work. You’re great to listen to. Thank you from the USA 🇺🇸!
Love this knife, but got the red alox Farmer X limited edition from Knifecenter instead. It comes with the excellent saw in addition to the Pioneer X tools. I do love this orange color though and wish I had snagged one. Agree the inline awl on these models is so superior to the standard awl which is at 90 degrees to the knife. Thanks for the review! Always enjoy your comparisons.
I own the Pioneer x, Farmer x, Compact and the Explorer with the plus scales and find myself rotating them as edc. The size difference doesn’t matter that much in the pocket for me. They have all their pros: The alox scales feel so nice. The farmer x stands out with it’s saw. Once I was able to repair my folding kayak with this very knive: saw ahle and screw driver… saved a long weekend. My black pioneer x is just stylish. Carry it mostly when I am wearing a suit. The compact is just everything you need in your urban everyday life! You could live with that as only SAK and maybe a SA tool for bigger use outdoors and around the house. My hidden Champion is the Explorer “plus”! I pumped it with the plus scales (needle and pen are just good to have!) and the eyeglass screw driver. You have the backside Ahle, the hook (use it quite regularly). The “4th” layer with the eyeglass and the inline Phillips driver are so awesome! High usability. The magnifying glass helps out with small printings on electric parts, the search for splinters etc. And the online Phillips is just better and safer to use than the one on the can opener and you don’t damage screws so easily. With 4 layers it is ok for its size with outstanding use. Wondering why it is not more popular.
A Farmer X just found its way into my pocket. It's got some weight to it, that's for sure! The weight doesn't bother me; it's just something I notice. Another Alox knife will join my carry rotation soon. I seem to be addicted...likely I'll be selling some stuff to get more Alox. Getting the tiger orange limited models before they go for silly money on eBay has suddenly gone way up on my priority list. If it's not super-secret, I'd love some details on your camera and lighting setup. I could use some improvement in that regard (though I've finally ordered up a tripod). Thanks for a great showing of a superb knife!
Thanks for the feedback Dan and the kind comments. No secret, cameras are Sony Zv-1 and DJI Pocket 2! Front lighting is a basic light box and honeycomb grid to avoid too much spill - was quite cheap on Amazon. Then a side light which is a led panel, again quite low cost. The channel was launched this year so still new. I kept costs low to start with whilst I worked things out. Some updates will help but I have to say everything works OK.
I used my caliper and got the below thickness results-
pioneer X-
main blade: 2.71mm
Bottle opener: 2.2mm
Can Opener: 2.11mm
Super Tinker-
Main Blade: 1.98mm
Bottle Opener: 2.0mm
Can Opener: 2.0mm
The fact remains, you just can’t have it awl.
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Well played, sir.
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SAKs are incredible. Never any blade wobble, walk and talk, edge bevels, overall fit and finish, etc. are always excellent and at such a low price. The common problems with slip joint knives are almost non-existent with Victorinox. People exaggerate edge retention, so they criticize Victorinox steel. But I cut cardboard all the time with my SAKs, and they do fine. Victorinox steel excels in all other categories: corrosion resistance, ease of sharpening, chipping resistance, sharpness, etc.
totally agree!
Well said!! Victorinox Swiss army knives,are by far the best edc knives by far! That,will never change!!
Out of all the knives I’ve used the Victorinox blade is my all around favorite. It’s so easy and effortless to get them razor sharp.
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The quality of the lighting in this video is exceptional. Very pleasing to the eyes, both the foreground and background. Well done!
Top notch audio too.
thanks for the comments - really nice to hear 🙏
@@JonGadget Just found your channel today, and I'm going through all your videos. Really impressed at the high production quality right from the first video: audio, lighting, quality content... all good stuff.
@@TokyoXtreme thank you 🙏 that's really great to hear 😊 thanks for watching.
Yeah your right -exceptional
I don't really know what's in the background, but I like the colors and lighting there in addition to what has already been mentioned.
I finally broke down and purchased my first SAK a couple of months ago despite being a life-long jack knife carrier and I’ve got to say I’ve developed such a genuine affection for Swiss Army Knives in general even though I own a couple of beautiful edc folders with premium steel that I also carry. If I had to choose to carry only one knife for the rest of my life I would definitely choose a SAK even over a far more expensive premium knife all day long! There is just something so romantic about these classic folders that is truly undeniable…at least as far as I’m concerned ❤️
Your dilemma is amusing to me, because I had a similar debate between the Farmer X and the Fieldmaster. My initial debate was on the fact that I wouldn’t need the Phillips head screwdriver since I intend to use the knife for various kinds of pruning tasks in the garden, but the thought kept creeping back in, “But what if you find out after the fact you really did need that screwdriver?” What finally settled the debate was the sewing eye on the awl/reamer. I don’t know leather-working yet, but I decided to teach myself and the sewing eye adds an important function in that craft.
it is a bit of a dilemma - scale tools did it for me in the end
I LOVE the color burnt orange and always have for some reason. It’s such a rich looking color.
I’ve been edcing the compact for 6 years, 8 months and 13 days. It’s my go too, every single day. It never let me down. 😊💪👊
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I love the look and feel of Alox but will always carry the classic red scales. The scale tools have become a daily use for me. Like many, I’ve grinded out the extra slot in the plus scales, but also added a slot in the front scale, giving me room for 7 tools (pressurized pen, toothpick, small tweezers, large tweezers ground down to a fine pound for splinters and tick removal, the ferro-rod, and two magnetized pins) that I would be without when using the Alox. Aside from that, the classic red scales are very nostalgic for me. My grandfather would always carry a large Victorinox when I was little, and I remember him using it all the time, from fixing my bicycle to cutting open a snack wrapper.
Appreciate your EDC videos; I credit them to my switch from the Leatherman Wave to the Swiss champ, as well as my further appreciation of Victorinox in general. Cheers!
Great feedback 👍 thanks for taking time to share
30-plus years of using Victorinox knives, and I only learned today that there is a distinct difference between the "93 mm" knives and the "91 mm knives", that the 93 mm range has more robust blades and tools. Now I'm considering getting one, but I can't decide quite which. In the past, I've used the Huntsman and SwissChamp in the 91 mm range, but never owned a 93 mm range Victorinox. The only Victorinox I carry on a daily basis now is the 58 mm Rambler, which is very possibly my favorite knife of all time and certainly my most-used knife.
They are a great addition to any Vic collection - not too many to choose from!
Great comparison! Didn't know I needed a Compact until now... Been carrying a Pioneer X since they came out and I love it. Recently picked up a Super Tinker to throw into the EDC rotation, but I think I might toss a Compact into the rotation as well.
Just discovered your channel, BTW. Some great content. Really enjoyed the videos on your kits. Very practical and well thought out without any gimmicks.
Take care!
Thanks for the kind feedback and welcome to the channel 👍
In my honest opinion, the deluxe tinker is forgotten far too often.
It really has everything you need (if you don't need a saw because when you're not a bushcraft person) and is still very compact.
The deluxe tinker is always there and i have never missed any functionality in my everyday life.
I also added the pin and put the plus scales to have the pen.
For me by DISTANCE the best EDC!
My to go to is the huntsman with the plus scales to make it more urban friendly, i am an outdoor hobbyist but im not outdoors all the time but i find the saw pretty handy in some urban situations tho, making some chocolate flakes for desert hahaha, also sometimes some tree branches are to long and people who take care of that dont notice it i just cut it off with my saw (ofcourse for both situations i wash it first hahahaha)
I almost went with the deluxe tinker but in the end pulled trigger on explorer and that solely because of the inline philips
@@MrSuvvri buy some plus scales for it (its not expensive at all) on etsy or any places on the internet (but buy one wich comes with the pen) and you have the ultimate urban EDC with you hahaha
Compact is a great tool and has every day issues covered. Splinters, note taking, cutting loose threads or opening post with the knife or beer with the combo tool this SAK is great. At work I have a leatherman surge. The truck has a leatherman wave+ and at home I have a shed full of tools.
I am a big fan of the Surge too
It's just the most elegant object I've ever touched. Perfect size, perfect balance, fits perfectly in your pocket
Great to hear 👍
Watched a bunch of your reviews lately, in the middle of a philosophical reboot of a lot of my edc type stuff and I'm enjoying your (and a number of other) channels ability to review a product with relatively little subjective information, and precisely zero bent towards ridiculous theories like "Oh my God the world ended I'm a SAS/SF/Ranger now, this one pocket tool will have to get me through Armageddon!!!" Just reasonable uses by reasonable people, keep doing what your doing!
That orange is gorgeous. I just ordered last years (2023) yellow. Pound for pound the alox SAK’s are the best there is for my money
I agree with you on your choice Jon. My compact I use as my EDC during the work week for it’s additional functionality. My pioneer X in red is my more casual carry in the rotation.
good to know 👍
I’d say the Pioneer X mainly because you don’t have to worry about durability of the Alox nor the tools, which are more robust. One thing you don’t mention is the cost in the comparison. The two knives are essentially the same price. But, the kit additions to your Compact have added at least $20-30USD. When that is factored, why not just add the rambler (or something like it) for about $25 to your keychain. I’d rather have that with the file, toothpick and tweezers for those extra needs, minus the pen and ferrous tools. You still get magnificent but drivers on the Rambler. For those reasons, I’d take the Pioneer X and Rambler over the Compact. And if you lose one, you’ve still got the other! Cheers.
I'm in complete agreement with this video. I've owned both for several years (and lots of other expensive pocket knives). Yes, my PioneerX is unquestionably the better built, higher quality, more luxurious knife, but I find that I just can't give up that pragmatic Compact toolset. From the pin (for ejecting your celphone sim tray) to the glasses tool (summertime sunglasses arm tightening) to the little pen (signing random receipts) it's just such a thoughtful everyday urban/suburban workhorse. If you own one and brush aside all pretention, in the long one it will be the one that wins the war of attrition for your pocket. At least for me.
I just wish victoranox tools came in higher quality steel because damn, I'm sick of the frequent re-sharpening.
Great feedback - exactly my thoughts too.
I have a No 7 Alox in silver. In fact, I have two. Brilliant knives. Lovely, thick blade stock and smooth, positive action. The saw, and in particular the hawksbill blade (a highly underrated blade), get the most use. I wish that the saw had a liner lock, but as an EDC option, little comes close.
Just ordered the 2023 limited edition pioneer can't wait to get it.
Jon the quality of his videos and transparent and impartial analysis, conquers the public more and more. Congratulations for this great review.
Hugs from Brazil!
Thank you Sávio - really appreciated 🙏
Personally, the Huntsman is the EDC tool for me. I live in a rural area near a forest, and own quite a bit of the forest aswell, so it definitely is useful, apart from that I also carry a small foldable saw and a carving knife with me at all times
Huntsman is my pick for the outdoors backpack as well, I would not wanna go on a hike without the hook, tweezers and the saw.
@@Hamachingo Yeah i also want to buy a huntsman and then i saw the farmer X alox and now i cant decide 🤦♂
@@brokmuk2602 what do you think to the ranger?
@@Hamachingo What do you use the hook on the Victorinox,on your hikes??
@@greekveteran2715 note technically for hiking, but it's fantastic to take the hot lid off of your bushcrafting pot, to twist some metal wires together, pulling tent stakes out of the ground, doing and undoing complicated knots, as a handle carrying a plastic bag (especially garbage bags) that otherwise cuts into your palm, carrying a slippery heavy fish, touch zippers, stubborn pull-tabs on cans, kick-stand for your phone, to pull out nails out of a baseball bat, to pull out the tools out of your bigger multitool.
I remember being so stoked for the release of the Pioneer X, then summarily unimpressed upon taking delivery of mine. It never saw the inside of my pocket. Great vid!
Why never carry?
Really? Why? If you don’t mind 👍🏻
Thanks for kind comments re the vid 😃
@@allemander It all boils down to personal preference. I’ve found that I like the light weight and extra implements in the scales of the cellidor 91mm models- not to mention the extra tools on the back. Years and years of carrying pocketknives, and I’ve found that 2 layers is the most I carry in a SAK. The awl on the Pioneer 93mm range is second to none, but not enough to warrant the extra weight, bulk, and lack of functionality. If I were inclined to “go big”, I’d carry the Climber or Explorer over the Pioneer X. But again, this is just my preference. I appreciate the robust nature of the Alox models, but at the end of the day I feel they underdeliver when compared with their 91mm cellidor cousins.
I have to say, for an urban enviroment every day use, the Pioneer X seems perfect.
One of my new found favorite UA-cam channels. Keep it coming brother.
Thank you 🙏
I have spent a lifetime wearing a tool pouch or pocket carrying tools for work so both these options are light carry to me. I prefer a point on my tweezers so I carry a Sliver Gripper on my key ring. I never considered the toothpick any more sanitary than carving my own toothpick from a twig. The Compact is a great “don’t know it’s there” carry for those inconveniences that come up. I personally prefer the Farmer X Alox since I find need for the saw and having the awl on the end of the knife rather than centred on the handle. The only bad thing I have to say about the Compact is that it is so light that I forget I’m carrying it until I’m halfway to the toolbox. This was a very good presentation of both knives.
thanks for the feedback - if you don' mind the weight the Farmer X takes some beating
You can put a point on the SAK tweezers with a grinding stone on a Dremel tool or even a file. Extra tweezers are available and inexpensive if (like me) you need a bit of trial and error to get things just right. Just a thought.
My daily carry, is a Swiss Champ. 91mm. For the past 21 years.
Well done! I love your reviews. I have both knives and come to the same conclusions as you. The compact for EDC is unbeatable with its ideal weight and tools.
Thanks Pierre 🙏 😃
Hey Jonathan, I've become a massive fan of yours, your videos are top notch material, very pleasant and relaxing to listen to! I've recently finally acted on my childhood fascination with SAKs and started sort of collecting them. The Alox series, while lacking in some of the tools, is just so appealing, I managed to get myself a Pioneer X in red, and it's just so nice. I've got my eyes set on a black Alox Cadet, but it's just so hard to get one. Also, I can't wait to replace my keychain Classic with Silver Alox MiniChamp. You also got me hooked on when it comes to the Compact. I've realised I can only fit a two-layer SAK for pocket carrying (as a female in close-fitting jeans anything thicker becomes very noticeable). The Compact seems like the best option for me to combine with my keychain multitool. The only thing I wasn't able to get is the pocket clip.
Thanks for the feedback Katerina, I am really pleased you are enjoying the content. The red Pioneer X is a really great option. Compact is still my EDC. Google Keysmart for the pocket hanger - there is another similar product too. It is a game changer for carrying for such a low cost item. Good luck with your collection.
I use a victorinox bantam alox and a Classic sd alox in my wallet so I don't forget them when I leave the house, they have all the functions of the Pioneer x, except the punch which I rarely use, but they are only 6 mm thick which makes them makes it highly portable. Almost no one uses a pen outside of work these days. The hook has more use than the pen nowadays.
Hey John, thanks for a great review. Every time i watch one of your reviews on a SAK, i end up buying it. You’re killing me, LOL. I really enjoy your videos.
I only have one alox, I believe it is called the farmer... it has the wood saw. I like it but I carry the compact every day. Being American, I also carry a thicker locking blade in my other pocket for heavier cutting jobs. thanks, I really like your channel.
If you want a light Swiss army knife and you can't decide between the Pioneer- X and Compact then go for the Climber. A 3 layer set with a large and small knife, bottle and can opener, scissors. On the back parcel hook, reamer/punch and corkscrew and tweezers & toothpick.
good suggestion - I do love the 2-layer simplicity of the Compact though
@@JonGadget I have the Compact as well, it's probably my favourite Swiss Army knife because of its versatility and it is very lightweight.
I've actually got exactly the same knife, orange alox, and all. It's probably my favorite Victorinox knife, and I often use it as my daily carry.
I would Go with the Pioneer X because in the long run its going to out last the compact also it's got much better driver's and stronger tools / just a stronger allrandr poickit knife even the farmer x is better and a very little bit bigger size for the saw thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Well each is designed for a different persons edc. For a casual urbanite, the compact is great since you don't need the heaviest duty tools and the pen really sells me on it. For someone in a more outdoorsy environment, then the farmer or a different pocket knife may serve you better. Each knife is purpose built, so best to understand your scope of commonly encountered uses.
@@aboriginite I'm 💯% with you this is the reason where all on UA-cam looking at the reviews maybe someone might just want one blade on there Swiss army knife form the small 58mm right up to the 130mm yes I understand what you're saying but I'm just saying i like the victorinox pioneer X over the victorinox compact I've also got both of them and use both for different tasks but yea i understand what you're saying thanks for your reply 👍🏻
I purchased the"Cadet"not too long ago, and now I have the "FarmerX" which I think is the better deal, because I can EDC my favorite on a sheath on my belt.
thanks for feedback William 👍
I’m a bit confused about the idea that the Pioneer X would outlast the Compact. I haven’t met a Victorinox knife that isn’t high quality and built to last. I have Victorinox SAKs going back to the 1990’s. Why do you think the PX would outlast a Compact? Is it just the scales you’re talking about?
Swiss army climber is my EDC of choice. I love my Pioner X. Have used my Regular Pioneer (Black) now for over 6 years and its my EDC for work as its non threatening.
I personally carry a compact x alongside my swiss tool. My swiss tool lacks the scissors but has the serated blade, so the compact gives me the benefit of these. The pen is invaluble, as are the tweezers and pin for dealing with splinters. I rarely use the knife on the compact for work purposes, preferring to use the heavier swiss tool. As sutch, the compact is always extremely sharp and the blade cleaner than the swiss tool, so it is better for emergency first aid tasks.
As a point of interest, i wear the swiss tool on my left hip and with the pocket clip hanging it it over the waistband of my work trousers or jeans. It never comes loose is easy to acess and does not get in the way when working, driving etc. The compact goes in my right pocket.
The compact is too light a tool for daily work use, hence my preference for the swiss tool, but the extra functions it gives are so practical.
The PX is gorgeous. I just ordered another waiter. I love its simplicity. Thanks fir the great videos.
thanks for the feedback 👍
I EDC a Hiker. Has all the tools I need and the "normal" style phillips screwdriver works for me. It compliments the Leatherman Wingman I wear on my belt nicely. I'm a building maintenance tech and these two tools have saved me countless trips to my truck when noticing the loose doorknob or lock set. I use the leathermans blade as a "beater" blade for things like scraping glue, saving the hikers blades for cutting chores. Just a winning combination.
BTW, the quality of your videos are outstanding. Lighting, audio, and content are top shelf!
Thanks for sharing, it's great to see how other people choose to carry. Thanks also for the channel feedback, much appreciated 🙏
Very thorough, detailed, unbiased comparison. Thank you for sharing and I also wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for turning me onto the Compact model overall not long ago in the first place. It wasn’t on my radar initially but it’s a beautiful little edc on those days I might not want to carry my slightly bigger, heavier and bulkier Huntsman and/or Handyman. I’m now considering purchasing one to have available to slip into the pocket of a pair of shorts on those days when it’s uncomfortably hot and do so without unwillingly sacrificing my edc. That’s not going to happen.
I've been using my compact for many years as my EDC knife.
Love its two layers reduced profile, pen, SCISSORS, screwdriver, tweezers and pin.
I also use its hook, but only for fishing purposes (knot tightening)
More tools add weight and thickness. For field day y prefer having a saw as well, but not for the city.
I love the Army-7 (harvester?)..
I drilled & tapped the aluminum scales on the side opposite the red shield and attached a spiderco titanium pocket clip.
It's totally badass. It has been my EDC for nearly 3 years. I plan to buy another and do the same thing, keep as a backup in case I lose the one I currently carry.
Anyway, love your victorianox reviews.. thanks to you I am doing to buy the spirit-x.
Thank you.
Harvester,Explorer,Spirit x and the Rucksack, are my favorite Victorinox! Best edc ever and forever!!!
Love your detailed reviews and 4K camera resolution. Please review all your multi tool collections!!
Thanks for the feedback - lots of multitools to come!
Great video Jon. I tried carrying a Pioneer X for a month or so but I just couldn’t get on with the additional weight (and I missed the toothpick!). I went back to my Spartan / Super Tinker rotation. Incidentally, I carried an explorer (which is still own) for a good 10 years. Owned it since I was 16 , I’m 50 now.
great feedback - the weight is what stopped me too
The orange colour on the 2021 Pioneer X is really attractive. It looks much better in person than it does in photos.
I can't wait to see what colour they choose for the 2022 run.
me too!
Excellent review. Agree the Compact is better suited for EDC. If only Victorinox would allow one to customize a knife to include preferred tools that would be fantastic!
It would be great 👍 😁
If only victorinox would have a pocket clip and pliers.
@@Johonavich49 some come with pliers, although they’re not heavy duty- and yeah the lack of pocket clip is annoying, there’s a lot of aftermarket options but we shouldn’t need them
@@alros1212 thanks
They will never allowed it, sales would fall like a rock.
If you want to go for the pioneer x, take the CLIMBER into consideration too, because it is about the same size, about the same weight at 97grams, and it has everything the huntsman has minus the saw. If going for the pioneer X, I'd rather go for the climber instead, getting more tools and functionality for the same size and weight, and you get the scale tools as well. If wanting the least weight and size, then neither of them is relevant and you should go for the compact. Or for those wanting the most possible tools, they can try to buy the Wenger Giant with 87 tools and a whopping 1374grams or just over 3 pounds.
As much as I like the Alox scales. I prefer the Plus scales. I like the extra small tools you get. Also I use them more as to why I carry 91mm Victorinox with Plus scales. I also love the hook with the nail file! Keep up the great videos!
I have one on the way, can’t wait!!
You can't go wrong with either of these
@@JonGadget I am such an idiot! I was checking out my alox collection and I already own this knife. 🫤 well… at least I’ll have a mint in box backup now. Off to find a gray one now. 🤣🤣
Long time compact fan. X looks great with scissors. I like the loosenes of compact. Easy to open.
I'd really love to have a closer look at the Pioneer X, but I'm good with my Waiter and Huntsman, so I'm considering to give it to my dad for his birthday. The Alox versions are gorgeous, but the loss of functionality is undeniable as you said. I don't think he'd miss those functions, though.
I friggin love my waiter.
Great video!!
IMHO the Compact SAK it's a better casual urban EDC, slimmest with very useful "accessories".
Under my experience: opening the "hidden slot" of the "corkscrew scale" there's an space for a short tweezers
.. and the teethpicker comes again to our SAK! Hurraaa!
I'm a fan of your high quality videos.
Regards from Germany.
great feedback - thanks Tano
Super Tinker for my EDC. Have been using it for the last 6 months and I love it. Was using the slimmer Tinker for years but I found more need for the scissors and the slightly thicker form of the ST fits nicer in the small pocket of my jeans for work. I was a knifehand for 16 years in 2 abbatoirs, so I know a quality blade steel when I sharpen them. Love these knives. Will be moving to the Explorer for EDC when it shows up. I'm a big fan of most Victorinox products, I even have their Inox Automatic watch.
Jonathan, I really enjoy your reviews. I take great stock and what you say.
I love Victorinox Swiss Army Knives. My oldest brother has one of three metal finishing businesses in Seattle, Washington State, the USA. One anodizes aluminum. If Victorinox needed anodizing in North America, it would be his company. He also gold plates medical electrical equipment which I used in my work extensively when I was an advanced trauma and cardiac paramedic (as well as a firefighter, fire engineer, fire officer and so on). Whatever Victorinox makes I'm for.
Thanks for sharing. They do produce a great affordable product.
I carried the super tinker for years. I like your choices as well. I want it all!
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Tip for awl.
Boring two or three holes in some wood or branches with it is a good way to make some tinder
Huge fan, got my first LE-Alox thanks to you. Although it’s heavier than the Compact. I got some big hands and can appreciate the extra thickness. A switch blade pocket knife video would be sick. Thank you
both great options 👍
I have been looking into getting a Victorinox for a while to replace my small Leatherman Squirt, but for years just couldn't figure out which one because of the large selection, and not having a shop nearby to feel them out. But this channel made me sure the Compact was the right one so just bought it! Thanks for good content :-)
What I want is a alox compact. With the scale tools. Even if it was slightly thicker to accommodate them. Now that would be perfect.
me too!
I don't know whether it would be possible to incorporate the scale tools but whether it is or not, a Bantam with scissors - basically an alox Compact - would be great.
@@simonh6371 that’s the Vogageur. Long discontinued. I had a custom one made (finding 84mm scissors was a hassle) and it’s in my pocket every day, best urban carry in my opinion.
@@uncle_ebenezer Thanks for the heads-up, I just looked it up on SAKwiki. Looks great. In some ways the standard caplifter/flathead is a better choice of tool than the combitool. I would buy one of those! Doubtless they're few and far between nowadays and very expensive.
Excellent review! Many thanks for posting it.
I do carry the Pioneer X as an EDC because of the size and the Alox scales. I used to carry a Compact an it’s scales pick up damage.
Take care!
great feedback - thank you
These are my two favorites too. I have them both, but the Compact usually wins because there's a swisstool spirit in my bag, which covers everything the Pioneer would bring and lots more.
agree!
The traditional "Cellidor" scales are not ABS plastic, but actually a form of Acetate (Cellulose Acetate Butyrate or CAB), most similar to what you find on most eyeglasses!
Pioneer Alox (without X) + Classic SD Alox (on a keyring). All you ever need.
As a normal EDC, the Compact(mostlyaroundthe houseor to the store) . Change to the Pioneer X if you know you're going to be doing something where a heavier blade/tool set would help.
I really wish they made a Pioneer EIectrition X. Would be sweet if they made a 93mm version of the combo tool to replace the cap lifter Screwdriver as well.
I am with you all the way 😃
Agree, I did something similar with a custom SAK builder from CH. We decided to make something like the Electrician Duo and add a scissors layer in the middle. Pretty much my ideal Victorinox.
Darn, I just bought both! A 2022 Grey Alox, and a Red Compact... :D
Nice!
Bottle opener 90 degree stop: on all *modern* Victornox knives.
The older 84 mm (Cellidor and Alox) and 91 mm (Cellidor) knives had no half stop on the bottle opener, but the 93 mm Alox always did, since 1957.
I am living in-the-moment 😁 great feedback 👍 everyday's a school day
I edc Swisschamp and not missing any tool lol , all available at all times . Yes it is bit bulky , but after few days od edc it in pocket get use to it . Good channel , kind regards 👌
The Pioneer X is my second favorite SAK. Sort of Climber-like but more compact. No tweezers....but carry some on my keys.
I will say the awl is one of the tools I use the most frequently. I wish the Compact had an awl in lieu of the corkscrew (I do like the corkscrew, very handy at times.). I use the in-line awl to open boxes, packages, etc...and preserve the edge of the blade from tape residue or dulling. If I don't have my mug with me and get a beverage in a 'go cup' with a plastic lid, I'll use the awl to open a little vent hole in the lid. I've done this too many times to count. I was in an airport with a plastic lid on a coffee cup and reflexively reached for my SAK with its handy awl to improve the vent hole.....oooops.... *** sigh ***... air travel today.......
And then there is the Farmer X.......
great feedback Jack - I agree
Keep up the good work Jon, excellent channel and very good reviews
thank you 🙏
UA-cam algorithm brought me to your channel. You have good content so I just subscribed.
My go-to EDC is a pocket knife pairing with Victorinox Rambler. I live in city environment hence Rambler is handy for small cutting job (small blade or scissors) and dealing with electrical stuff (flat head and Philip screw).
When I travel abroad, typically I would carry Victorinox Pioneer X on body to replace Rambler and folding knife, on my casual or formal attire. Obviously I don't want to break the local law while still able to have useful tool on me. Pioneer X with sturdier build, sufficient tools on it while not bulky to carry is a plus, looks nice too.
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Victorinox are just absolutely great. The compact is my most carried and favorite model. Lately I've been enjoying having an Alox Electrician with me. It's a Pioneer but has an electricians blade instead of the can opener. The electricians sheepfoot blade is really good too. I prefer the heavier duty Alox tools also. I have yet to get a Pioneer X but I do carry my regular Pioneer quite a bit. The Cadet is another wonderful tool as well. Very small slim and light. I don't typically miss the scale tools as I keep a classic on my keyring which is either in my pocket or nearby if I'm out of the house. Now if they made an alox Compact or basically something like a Pioneer X with a combo tool instead of a separate opener layer. Angle the combo opener so that it fits with the scissors and keep the main blade an awl and it might be able to stay as a 2 layer tool then. Until then I'll just have to buy more sak's until I have them all I suppose.
Carry the Pioneer X and a manager on your keyring. I think that's a pretty good compromise, personally I bought and Evogrip s18 a week ago. Enjoying it because means I can leave the house with only one knife before I carried a Super Tinker and a Opinel or other light weight locking knife. Don't worry I no long live under the Draconian UK knife laws.
thanks for sharing 👍
Rationally, you are probably right with choosing the Compact.
But because of the look, sturdy tools and the reamer, I really love 93 mm Alox, especially colored ones... So my heart chooses the Pioneer-range, and I don't care what my brain says :D
Ha! I know what you mean
I do prefer the Pioneer alox + Classic alox combo over the Pioneer X. Works great for me.
Compact, for sure! Lighter, more versatile for EDC! Love Mine!
Me too 👍😃
I love the Alox scales but what you win in style you lose in functionality. The compact has a straight pin, mini screwdriver, pen, toothpick, and tweezers, not to mention the tools on the back of the knife. However, I still love the Alox scales and have bought more than a handful over the years. Thanks for the video, I love to watch a SAK discussion.
Thanks for the feedback - I think we agree.
I like how the combo tool slims down the Compact to 2 layers, but I find it inferior in functionality, to the standard opener/driver set, especially for Phillips screws. At a little over half the Compact's price (less if you compare used ones), the Hiker is a better value in my opinion. It has pretty much the same tools as the Compact but with the standard opener set and the awl on the back, and it's only a little over a half ounce heavier and one scale width wider. There is no pen or file on the backside of the hook, but Victorinox could include those just as easily on the Hiker.
Good argument Dale. I will prioritize size over almost everything, but I am a bit ocd on that score!
Dale, do you mean the Climber? The Hiker has no scissors.
Love the Waiter. Blade, Combination tool and Corkscrew. So light and nimble. Have had a few, and getting another when this one wears out. No snip snip though ;) Use the blade for that. Been sailing, so the Corkscrew is really handy untying wet knots. The alox bantam with a screw would be ideal (Edit: if one has gloves that is, since the alox seems a bit slippery sometimes in a wet environment)
I have a Pioneer X and although I really do like it, I still carry my Super Tinker way more often...
QED 😃
If I was to carry the Pioneer X I’d also carry one of the 58mm with the pen & replace the toothpick with a FireFly Ferro rod. Yes that’s 2 items but to add a nail file, tweezer, FireFly, pen IMO is worth it. Wish the Farmer X came with colored alox scales. Love a saw.
The 58mm Rambler in Alox & colors I think would be a screaming success.
Thanks for sharing- agree re Alox Rambler
The corkscrew is surprisingly good at untying knots and bends.
If not too sharp, inline awls sometimes work as marline spikes to untie knots and bends.
Both of those knives are nice.
I've had a Compact and liked it, the weight and thin profile makes it very pocketable.
I also had a hard time to come to terms which one to choose, and I concluded that the biggest drawback for the compact was that the alox is a nicer looking knife, especially compared to the red scales. So I changed the scales to an other colour and found it easier to stick with the compact. But I'm always going to miss the awl.
I'm with you on all counts
Swiss army knives are so good,that you canr easily choose,which to carry. However,for the same reason,you cant go wrong,no matter which you choose! Im getting older,so the Explorer is essential for me,because of the magnifying glass,which helps with reading and/or spot details on objects when needed!
I think if the Pioneer X were in the shorter length of the Cadet and Bantam that it would hard to beat as an ultralight edc. Being around 70g is key for pocket carry in pajamas or athletic shorts. And I think it could lose the reamer and replace the two bottle and can openers with the combo for true efficiency.
Basically, Bantam Alox with scissors would be my ultimate ultralight EDC.
The Compact is the way to go if you're carrying a pocket knife in an everyday urban setting. It's the Black .380 Auto Walther PPK of knives. It's not really badass but it carries comfortably and unobtrusively and does it's job very well. We can't carry firearms here in Canada but I suspect that is also true of the Walther PPK.
I’m with you on that. Still my EDC.
17:07 The Farmer X with stashed toothpick and pin and tweezers in a wire heat shrink tubing fits by the saw !
I have a heavy duty Victorinox multi tool pliers, ironically the awl has been the most useful tool so far.
When I had to put screws into hard wood and they would slide off it made the starting hole and they would just drive in.
Or when I had to remove some metal clips and I could slide the tip under and pry them out.
Since I carry that thing with me wherever I go I am trying a bit too hard to justify getting another Victorinox.
But being a collector I guess it's inevitable.
Thanks for another great review.
Thanks for sharing Christos - Victorinox make a great multitool 👍
Simply an outstanding channel. The right amount of detail and attention to detail (for me), excellent production value, helped by top-shelf editing. Doffed cap Sir !
The Alox models are nice, but I really like the toothpick, tweezers, and pen. I actually really like the corkscrew and parcel hook too. There have been several times my wife and I were in a hotel and got wine and forgot a corkscrew and I unfortunately was only carrying my Benchmade😒 Also, I've found several uses for the hook.
I love the Alox tools. They just feel so well made.
Got one today as a late father's day present. We'll chuffed 👍
great present 👍
Lovely video as usual Jon!
Thanks Ben. I think we have a similar mindset when it comes to reviews, although I don't appreciate keyboards in the way you do!
@@JonGadget Heh yeah for sure! Great to see your channel going from strength to strength!
@@BenVallack Thanks Ben. if you wanted to connect to share YT experiences feel free to drop me an email - address is in the about section 👍
@@JonGadget Will do cheers!
I just discovered your channel. Fantastic. Cool EDC content.
Thank you 🙏
Some edc-gear works better in a system. For example the alox works pretty well in combination with the swisscard. Great content btw. I really like enjoyed all the Victorinox and leatherman videos. Greetings from the Netherlands!
thanks Dennis for the feedback - good point re system 👍
I've got one combination. On my keys - Rambler with scissors (Manager, if you need pen) + Waiter/Tourist/Cadet alox/Waiter alox in pocket. In my opinion, great and minimalistic combo.
great option 👍
Great review. You are new to my feed. I think your content will become quite popular! Keep up the good work. You’re great to listen to. Thank you from the USA 🇺🇸!
Thank you, much appreciated 🙏
Love this knife, but got the red alox Farmer X limited edition from Knifecenter instead. It comes with the excellent saw in addition to the Pioneer X tools. I do love this orange color though and wish I had snagged one. Agree the inline awl on these models is so superior to the standard awl which is at 90 degrees to the knife. Thanks for the review! Always enjoy your comparisons.
I own the Pioneer x, Farmer x, Compact and the Explorer with the plus scales and find myself rotating them as edc.
The size difference doesn’t matter that much in the pocket for me.
They have all their pros:
The alox scales feel so nice.
The farmer x stands out with it’s saw. Once I was able to repair my folding kayak with this very knive: saw ahle and screw driver… saved a long weekend.
My black pioneer x is just stylish. Carry it mostly when I am wearing a suit.
The compact is just everything you need in your urban everyday life! You could live with that as only SAK and maybe a SA tool for bigger use outdoors and around the house.
My hidden Champion is the Explorer “plus”! I pumped it with the plus scales (needle and pen are just good to have!) and the eyeglass screw driver. You have the backside Ahle, the hook (use it quite regularly). The “4th” layer with the eyeglass and the inline Phillips driver are so awesome! High usability. The magnifying glass helps out with small printings on electric parts, the search for splinters etc. And the online Phillips is just better and safer to use than the one on the can opener and you don’t damage screws so easily. With 4 layers it is ok for its size with outstanding use. Wondering why it is not more popular.
It would make a great gift 👍
A Farmer X just found its way into my pocket. It's got some weight to it, that's for sure! The weight doesn't bother me; it's just something I notice. Another Alox knife will join my carry rotation soon. I seem to be addicted...likely I'll be selling some stuff to get more Alox. Getting the tiger orange limited models before they go for silly money on eBay has suddenly gone way up on my priority list.
If it's not super-secret, I'd love some details on your camera and lighting setup. I could use some improvement in that regard (though I've finally ordered up a tripod).
Thanks for a great showing of a superb knife!
Thanks for the feedback Dan and the kind comments. No secret, cameras are Sony Zv-1 and DJI Pocket 2! Front lighting is a basic light box and honeycomb grid to avoid too much spill - was quite cheap on Amazon. Then a side light which is a led panel, again quite low cost. The channel was launched this year so still new. I kept costs low to start with whilst I worked things out. Some updates will help but I have to say everything works OK.