Building The Perfect Hunting Arrow For Lightweight Traditional Bows!
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2023
- Mission accomplished! We successfully built an awesome hunting arrow with devastating performance and penetration for traditional bows under 40#! This video will show flight and real momentum performance from a 37# longbow!
I shoot an old 72 Bear Kodiak Magnum. I draw 26 in., I pull 40#. Shooting a 31in, 597gr, Easton XX75 aluminum gamegetter. 2016's, 10.6 GPI. 100 gr brass insert, and 150gr head. Oh baby, they fly like darts. Thanks for you willingness to help out the community. 👍
Jeff, I believe this is my answer ! My 40# @ 28" recurve and 27" draw. You are a true treasure Jeff. I've been stressing out over arrows for a month and you would not believe the amount of time vested. Thank you !
Thanks brother!
Bless you, you're helping so many people achieve their goals
Thanks so much I surly hope it helps someone along the way 😁👍🏻
I appreciate everything you put in this. I just started shooting instinctive ( a week ago) and I taken to it like a duck to water. Only took about ten shots before I started to hit where I was looking. I follow your advice on not thinking about stance, form, distance and so on...just focus on the spot I want to hit and it works. I'm hooked and loving it. God bless.
Man that’s awesome! Thank you 🙏
I had a shoulder injury a while back and had to re-think my archery world. I experimented with a 48 inch child's bow that pulls 30 pounds at my draw length. I put a 29 3/4 inch 1916 with 250 grain point on and it bare shaft tuned like a dart. It only chronographs at 110 fps. Momentum is .299 Slugs which is equivalent to your set up in this video. Guarantee you it is lethal. FOC is 20 percent with 4 inch feathers and lighted nock. Total arrow weight is 614 grains. Due to the heavy arrow, it is extremely quiet. I think you are right about the 3 to 1 broadhead like a Grizzly single bevel or a Zwickey No Mercy upping the potential for good penetration. Ducking the string is a big consideration. Aim low and back several inches behind the shoulder to accommodate drop and roll away and keep shots close. Killed my biggest buck with an old Magnus 2 blade and a 35 pound recurve bow. Arrow weight was about 480 grains.
Jeff these videos are helping me so much you have no idea. thankyou!
Oh, forgot to mention. I'm coming up on 70 and still out and about doin what I can.
Thanks for the information you put out
Thanks for sharing!!!
jeff's reaction at 18:03 is priceless
Thank you, brother Jeff! Much appreciated!
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Again, great video. This is the validation of heavy FOC!
Jeff, I really enjoyed this video. I have a 37# at 26" bamboo backed tri lam bow that I built. I am using 3 Rivers new Autumn Orange 1916 XX75 shafts cut to 28" with stock nocks and inserts and 175 grain points with 5" feathers. The flight is great and the weight of these arrows is the magical 500 grains total weight. I know you like the GT Warriors, I also like and use them along with GT traditionals in both 5/16 and 9/32 shafting. I am getting better flight with my bow shooting the 1916's than I am out of the carbons. I am wanting to use this bow to hunt with this Fall and your videos on light weight hunting bows are very helpful.
I enjoy your videos and love for the sport, Jeff! I may use my 35lb longbow now! I was stuck at a 380g arrow. I was not confident that was going to work. This combo might!
Hay Jeff, want to let you know, a freind of mine son has been shooting a 37 pound recurve, he's is 16 and then 17 with probably a 25 inch draw length at the time, he got the arrow tuned in perfectly at almost 650 grains with a two bladed broadhead, now he was this age 10 years ago he took two whitetail bucks in two season with this combo, and the one the arrow went right thru scapula shoulder bone it was aluminum arrows he was using back then can't remember shaft size, but I remember his father put arrow rope inside shaft too give it the weight. Actually I would love too see you do a test with that 37 pound recurve with a 650 grain heavy fOC and see what happens on test. Have a great night 🌙 Jeff every show you do gets me excited 😊
Thanks again Jeff
I’m new to trad bows. I want to say thanks for sharing all your tips and knowledge!
Thanks so much I really appreciate that!
Yet again another great video that applies to me and my set up , great stuff jeff i have some 175 200 250 and 300 grain stainless field points for tuning
Interesting ....I think when your talking about arrow flight you should always use a lighted nock at dusk as its really hard to see the arrow in flight.
Always watch your videos all the best from Australia
Thanks Jeff
Jeff,
Please shoot again at the plywood where there are no other holes nearby.
Great video.
The set-up you have come up with is what I use. Seems to work well when ya put the arrow where it's supposed to go.
I love still hunting. And so I try to get as close as I can to the animal I'm after. Mostly under 20 yards.
Thanks for another in depth video!! My new recurve i believe arrives on monday.. I started with 35lb as i am just looking to see if i can shoot a trad bow!! i have ordered arrows that are 500 spine hoping they wont be over spined!!
I like what you cooking with that arrow build.
Another great video Jeff! God bless.
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Thanks brother I really enjoyed this one and definitely was surprised!
Nice work! I think you have a winning combination. You will have to practice your distances well because of the rainbow trajectory. I sometimes hunt with a 40 lb bow and 628 gr 2117 inspired by you. I'm getting ready to move up to 50 lbs but first I need to see if I can shoot it as well. I feel my arms getting stronger from daily practice. I'll be using 40 yo 2216s my father used to hunt with I just re-fletched. Wish me luck!
Great content as always , very informative. My 3D bow is 38# at 30 inches, 125 gr field tip arrows with Easton Game getter 500 shafts, arrow weight 478gr. They shoot very nicely when I do my bit. I can’t use it for hunting here in the UK.
Hai, i want to know, is it 800 spine can use 100 grn break off point? .166" arrows, carbon to carbon 28.7" longer. Bow poundage 31.5 otf.
Love your content.Shooting a 45# Black Hunter@ 43# 27" Easton 1916 Aluminum 190 Grain total weight Ace Standard on the front Arrow weight 518 grain shoot like darts.Your knowledge is priceless for those of us looking to get results quickly and cost effectively keep up the great work
Man that’s awesome! Believe me I get some backlash from some guys and I completely understand it but I’m passionate about helping people get into the sport and enjoy everything about it no matter how much the bow costs or where it’s made as long as it’s a shooter! 😁👍🏻
I shot a 700 spine warrior shaft, cut to 27 inches, stock light short insert, 300 grain point. Ended up being about 530 grains. This was a hickory self bow I made, likely shooting just under 150 fps with that arrow at around 39 lbs at 26.5 inch draw. I put the arrow in the vital V on a doe last year at 8 yards and broke the heavy leg bone on the off side, sheared the heavy leg bone in half. Using glue on old Magnus heads with vents, bent the head pretty bad and slightly curled tip. If you get close to 500 grains with high FOC you will be fine.
Jeff your channel is absolutely my favorite as i am working through my beginnings into trad archery! I have followed your recommendations and not be led wrong! I am now on this topic of altering weight on arrows. I am looking at the warrior arrows because of you and was wondering where could go for some economical yet practical inserts? I looked at one site and it was $18 per insert.
Have you ever tried wieght tubes? And if so what did you think of them?
Jeff one of my setup is 37.6 lb because of my bad shoulder. And I am shooting a 530 grain total Arrow weight. The great part is I am shooting and ilf setup that is one of my fastest rigs and its shooting that same exact Arrow the same speed as my 45lb black widow 160 feet per second
Man I know what you mean, I’ve got one of the cheap TBOW’s with 35# limbs shooting as fast as most 45# bows it’s crazy!
You think broadheads would pass through easier then field tips? Oh and I saw your last video helping your buddy who shoots split and you said you were gonna go back. It’s funny cause I switched back to split also 😊
Jeff , I like and appreciate all of your research and enthusiasm! I can only pull 35 pounds ,sorry compound bow, (74 years old , lost a lot of muscle mass in my bow arm) , draw length is only 25.5 inches . Would you have any recommendations ? By the way 20 yards is my limit .
Great video have a question I have a slick stick longbow 58in 55lb@28 I'm shooting about 48@25 with a 28in 500 carbon arrow 200 gr insert 250gr broadhead 30% EFOC 700gr arrow what do you think of this setup? And what do you start with nock point setting on your long bows? Thanks
#37 recurve bamboo in limbs, Center shot riser, thin calf hair strike plate. 28.5” draw length
Gold tip 500 29.75” with standard 12gr insert and 175gr head or I can shoot aluminum 1916 29.5” with 125 point and standard insert. No wrap on either arrow. The aluminums tune easier. But. They don’t get the foc like the carbons do.
They end up around 450-465 gr total. I would like to have a little heavier. But I think I will have to go up in spine and then add a lot of weight on the front and be too heavy.
Have you seen those tapered shafts' with all the weight at the front , not sure how they would set up i have never been tempted to buy any
Jeff, I have been following your channel for a while as I have transitioned to a 45lb Longbow from my compound at age 67... Using some of your data and the Ranch Fairy's shows I have been using a 200gr single bevel VPA broadhead at about 152 FPS and my arrow weight is about 430gr at 28.25". I'm estimating my draw weight is about 42-43 lbs and my FOC is about 23.4% forward of center on these 28.625 (nock to insert) vs 21" (nock to balance point) in my arrows. I have it all in a spreadsheet if you want to see it. All that said I am hearing you say I need an additional 50-75gr of weight... by going to lumenocks I can gain about 14grs and a 50gr insert puts me about where you are in the video. Your thoughts please.
You can also stuff some plastic weed eater line in the shaft to add total weight but not really effect the paradox like you would if your tip started getting too heavy.
Hi I was just wondering if 400 spine arrows are OK with 200grain broad head for my 40lb recurve bow or should I go to a 500spine arrow cheers I've just subscribed loving your vids
Hi Jeff I have learned so much from you. I've watched almost all your videos there very informative. Will you touch on feather length. Don't remember seeing it in your videos, maybe I missed it. And after I nock tune should I glue them, or leave them just pressed in. Again thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.
Yes sir just pressed in is fine and I usually run 4” feathers on everything 👍🏻
Okay thank you very much. One other thing, 62 inch sage 40 lb. At 28 and that is my draw length. Single blade broad head or three blade. I watched your touch on penitration, and you said three blade. I know these videos are a lot of work, please try to keep them coming. Hope you're rib doing.
Good
@@docholliday1588 honestly with a 40# I’d go with a two blade for sure.
Two blade it is, a wide one I saw the ones you used in your videos. Thanks.
I am just interested in recurve bow and see well i shoot it.. Not interested in hunting with it Jeff as my recurve is 35lb draw not heavy enough to hunt with. Light arrows are find for me as all im doing this year is target practice! If i get good with it next year i will order a heavier bow..here in Ontario minimum draw weight here is 39lbs!! This fall i will likely hunt with me compound or crosSbow!!
That FOC too. 275 grains in the front of a 600 spine carbon has got to be close to 30 percent FOC.
Love the content, just found your videos this week. I shoot a hoyt satori with nika carbon limbs 27 draw 38 lbs. I was wondering if you have a similar arrow set up with a micro diameter arrow
Thanks so much Jeremy and I’m definitely going to set up some small diameter arrows for this bow because usually they penetrate even better, I’ll probably build something in a 600 spine with Ethics System or something, I’m thinking the Gold Tip Traditional Classic Xt’s would be awesome!
Jeff,
What is the significance of the arrow wrap, I shoot a 35 lb longbow and I want to build a lighter arrow I currently shoot 500 spine carbon 29.5 inch draw, does the wrap add weight?
I’ve got an old Browning, Nomad Stalker, in 38# at 28”. I’m pulling 27+”. I’m trying to work up a good shooting arrow and currently using a Black Eagle , 600 spine cut at 28-1/2”. Standard insert, 250gn field tip. It hits hard, but really wobbles off the rest. Can you shoot the setup and record it, so I can see the flight?
Thanks Jeff- This is what I needed. I have a 40lb bow at 28", but I draw 27". I am working on this exact setup. I started with 30" arrow and have cut it down to 28" and am still a little weak with some nock left. My arrow weight now is 490 grains. What should I do now, cut it a little more or something else?
If you're tuning with a bare shaft, Realize when you put feathers on and possibly a rap it'll stiffen it up no doubt some.
I love your video's. I like the way you share and explain every aspect of the art. Thank you so much.
Here’s something for you to think about the average mature Whitetail, in Kansas is only 10 inches through from the side shot in the Kill zone .
gm jeff, i don’t hunt but i use a recurve rated 35 pounds but my draw length is only 24 1/2. so for 3d, what arrows should i be trying
Can it go through an inch and a quarter plywood might be good for moose
Q: If you can have such good penetration and accuracy with a light weight bow - is there any point in shooting a heavy bow for shots under 25 yards?
Probably the only real difference is speed in that scenario but then shooting more pounds does allow for more arrow weight which will have even greater momentum and with live animals moving around and reacting like they do my honest opinion is to hunt with as many pounds as you can shoot well during cold weather for the what if’s but a quiet bow is most important probably.
I have a long pull 29 inches on a 35 lb bow I think I am OK on a 15 yard shot on a deer now thanks
Did you add wrap and lumenock to add weight? How much weight would that add?
Yes sir about 20 grains!
I would like to have a long bow like you're using on this video
Thanks Charles, I may sell you this bow for the right price lol
Jeff.what arrow would you try at that weight 35 to 40 # with aluminum shaft cut 29"?
Probably an 1816 or a 1916 depending on what grain head👍🏻
Jeff could you tell me what length carbon to carbon you cut the shaft
These were 29”
Jeff I’m shooting 500 spine goldtip trad xts out of a 40# black hunter. Shooting 200grain field tips at the moment with 200 grain broadheads ready for this fall. Total arrow weight is right around 500grains. Based on your last video should I bump it up a little even for white tails? I’m worried if I add an insert I’ll need to jump down a spine. My arrows are 30” and I draw 28 (just bareshafted them recently). Thoughts? Also are you a proponent of outserts or is that mostly for compound? Thank you for the great videos. Keep ‘em coming!
I think you’re really good with that setup, the traditional xt’s are thick walled and heavy with the factory shock collar they’re super tough and plenty heavy especially with 200 gr, and the factory 80 gr. Inserts you don’t want to go down in spine at all and I run collars on all.204 smaller diameter arrows 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I’m not sure mine have 80g factory inserts, I think the ones that came with them are just light aluminum ones but either way I trust you that they’ll be enough. If I was to get some goldtip warriors as for some backup arrows should I be able to run the same setup with out much change?
@@craigjones7401 yes sir and the Classic XT’s come with weighted inserts and 15 grain black shock collars, they’re already set up for good FOC, the warriors are lighter but you can load the front and they’re great!
Hey Jeff I’m shooting a Easton legacy 500 29” from my new bear paw 45lb. Recurve Insert and flexed I’ve started with a 150gn point and having bad nock left . Arrow weak? Any advice ? Total arrow 432 gun. Bow is center shot should I move out rest. More point or more nock weight. I could cut maybe 1/2 to 3/4 and replace feathers or insert. (Help!)
Yes sir if you’re right handed and they’re hitting nock left they’re weak which means you’ll have to cut them down a little or go up a spine, try nock tuning them first especially with legacy arrows just rotate it 180 degrees and see what it does.
Don’t think the 493 gr arrow absorbs more of the bows energy? Shooting as flat as your 700 grain arrow but that’s so quiet and flat with the 493
What boat are you shooting what brand
In this video I’m shooing on that we actually built a couple years ago, it’s a Carbon Vapor Takedown Longbow 60”
Hey Jeff, I get it now. That 600 spine arrow already had fletchings on it and you were not showing us a bare shaft arrow. Fletchings will definitely level the playing field and it's very difficult to get a perfect flying bare shaft. Get it close and so what if it nocks either way a little bit. If it flies good then call it a success. I'm a perfectionist and that's hard for me to say, but it's reality. Do I want to shoot the bow or constantly tinker with the arrows? I choose shooting the bow.
Absolutely! You can drive yourself crazy tinkering with perfection and sometimes I just rough tune a bow with an arrow that flies great with a broadhead and let it rip lol. I just enjoy taking any bow and figuring out what flies best and sometimes the spine doesn’t make sense at least by the book it doesn’t 🤣
How about some links to the parts? 😂
I shoot a 45#,and 47# traditional bow.I have 500 spine 31" 510-520 grain arrows and need at least 12 gpp.Is it safe to put 125-150 grain on?Would it change the spine to much?What would you do.
I would bet that your arrows are borderline weak now at 31”, you will most likely need to go up to a 400 to add much point weight.
Your first shot at 3-D was split then 3 under
Yes sir I shoot both and tried it both ways and it flew great no matter which way so I was delighted with the flight!
Hi Jeff, I'm a 27" draw,will this setup be good on my 40lb bow with160gr. Landsharks? Thanks again for all you do.
@@timbo749 yes sir most likely a 600 spine with the Landsharks will shoot really good especially if they’re cut around 29”
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Ahhhh mine are cut 28"😭
@@timbo749 you can add heavier inserts and still be good actually even better for hunting!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I'm running 100 gr. inserts, maybe 175 gr. Swamp sharks? they are just as wide as the Landsharks.
@@timbo749 yes sir that should be a great setup!
· if I was using Victory X-Torsion
·400 spine, which is an EXTREMELY
HEAVY g.p.i. shaft, of ·204" size, and my arrow build became
600+ total grains, could I still
get penetration @ 25 yrds, using
#37 pounds Draw Weight traditional recurve bow?
They would be way too stiff to tune also extremely heavy for the draw weight, they’re honestly suited for a 65# compound lol , I would regroup and get some 600’s depending on your draw length but if it’s anywhere around 28” that’s what I’d build and run 250 grains plus on them just figure out what will bare shaft even if you have to order a test kit from 3rivers and get it shooting the heaviest point weight that’ll bare shaft laser straight that’s where the penetration will come from in a light weight bow👍🏻
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Just going to pop my 2 cents in here. I just built two different set ups for my 50# recurve that I pull to around 48lbs. A super light weight 364gn hunting arrow and a 478gn hunting arrow. Light weight gives me 199fps and the 478 gives me 170fps. When you run those numbers you see I gain 29fps with the light arrows but lose almost zero momentum or KE. The actual loss is like .005 of a slug moving from the heavier to light arrow. Check out the podcast Dudley did Joel Maxfield. The research shows the lighter arrows are just as deadly and all this heavy arrow stuff with no speed and terrible trajectory just isn’t necessary. Plenty of guys shoot clear through elk and moose with low poundage and 400gn and under arrows. The what if you hit bone argument isn’t valid. Not even compounds and even some bullets make it through thick bone. Speed kills and we’re not shooting plywood in the woods. Animals are much easier to punch through.
I respect your opinion on arrows and it sounds like you’re settled on the speed side no matter what but from personal experience with traditional equipment no way would I dare to hunt with an arrow that light, that’s why I did all the testing and video on arrow penetration from a 43# recurve just to show the difference in light versus heavy and it cannot be disputed that heavier arrows carry the momentum down range and even 199 fps out of a traditional bow is still very very slow compared to a compound and nowhere near as much KE for sure I honestly can’t bring myself to have confidence in any arrow under 400 grains for killing penetration but with that said again I respect everyone’s opinions and don’t want to get into any disputes at all just putting out what I believe in for the public wanting everyone to be successful in their hunting setups.
I’ll admit I only have a couple whitetail under my belt with the light set up. But both were pass throughs and one was straight down through the back, out the chest and hurried in the ground. The other was a broadside shot and went through the deer like it didn’t hit a thing. My max distance is 20-25yds as well. The math doesn’t lie though. When you punch the numbers in for the lighter arrow and speed and the heavier arrow and speed the momentum is almost identical, less than a half slug difference. I’ve had a couple deer jump the string and duck my arrow. Hence why I wanted to gain the 29fps. Nice sharp 2 blade magnus stinger, perfect arrow flight and an accurate shot pushes the arrow through deer sized game like hot butter. If I was hunting anything bigger I’d go heavier for peace of mind, plus the bigger game isn’t as fast twitch so I wouldn’t worry about speed. Anyways it’s just two different schools of thought and both get the job done. But at 20yds and in my arrows aren’t losing enough momentum for me to not want more speed and a flatter trajectory. Especially on public land where I can’t cut branches and have to thread the needle. I respect the heck out of you though sir and I’m sure you’re a deer shooting machine. So good luck this year and stay safe out there! Ps I didn’t want to argue or debate either just wanted to add that there’s plenty of women and teenagers that shoot low poundage and their margin for error is less with an adequate but faster arrow, speaking in terms of kill depth and what not.
@@samgauvine7816 I can’t say I disagree at all to a certain extent with a sharp two blade head like the stinger as long as it’s fairly close shot which with traditional gear it should be lol the reason I’m such a believer in heavier (500 grain and up) arrows is because I have had so much more success with them and have had some heartbreaking losses with too light setups, But I also took my best traditional buck ever at 32 yards with a 480 grain arrow out of a 49# C2 recurve and yes it was doing upper 180’s on the graph so the speed definitely made a difference and yes it was almost a complete pass through 👍🏻
Take care, good luck and be safe out there brother. Keep producing great content.
@@samgauvine7816 you too brother thanks so much for watching!
Shoot it into a new spot on the plywood and see what happens. You keep shooting in the middle where the second sheet of plywood is all shot up and possibly going through an existing hole. Youve got to eliminate these things from your tests
Test is skewed until you shoot that broad head into the wood, because that’s what you’ll be shooting at a deer, shoot the wood w that head then your test is valid
Thank you sir will do for sure, we were able to get through with arrows over 500 grains with a 43# recurve so I it would be interesting to see but from actually shooting these and hearing the impact in person I feel they are definitely adequate for hunting whitetail 💯
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I weighed my arrows and found that by adding 50 grains to my 3d set up my 43# bow arrows are now close to 500 grains, fly the same and 20 yards or less no appreciated drop, feeling better about my arrows now!!!! Keep up the videos
Im actually not suprised in any way. Look up the ww2 youtube video of a bow penetration test. Actually it from 1961 and the video is called the silent warrior
Cool!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 yeah I wish when I started shooting a trad bow 26 years ago I had someone knock some sense onto me. I think my first recurve was 65 lbs. Ego and stupidity I guess. I got very good at killing stuff when I dropped weight.