How wise of the Valar, sending such a high stature Noldor to once again teach man their native tongue. On behalf of all elf-friends, thank you! Really great video, didn't get sleepy at all and I made it to the end! Not what I usually watch but I'm glad I did as not much beats listening about LotR lore. Excited to see the Tengwar video, Feanor would be proud
Elvish is such a beautiful language. I’m obsessed with it. I just love the way at looks when written down on paper, very pretty looking. Tolkien was an incredibly smart man. He literally created his own language.
Yesterdsy, I tried to teach my granddaughters how to write their first and middle names in TENGWAR. I tried to go by the examples of English alphabet in tengwar from a workbook by FIONA JALLINGS. We did very well, but it's so complicated. I need to research my textbooks before presenting my gift to a bunch of homeschoolers. When I was 14, I wished I could speak Elvish, but there were no material other than scholarly and the appendices and eventually the societies brought forth an abundance of material to speak and write. But the 50 years since my first inkling ( forgive me) was heavily punctuated with life and nothing else. This old dog will not easily learn now but I've started a whole new generation on the path. I will save your videos for posterity.
I think many people who appreciate the spirit of Tolkien will also appreciate learning the nuances of his language. I was engaged throughout the video. A suggestion: given your interest in the more miscellaneous parts of LotR, I think you could really carve out a niche discussing the finer points of Arda's cultures. Say for example, what would woodland elves make their clothes out of, or how might the Noldor have changed the culture and fashion of the Sindar? Things like that, which sort of go beyond/speculate on more than what is readily discernible from the lore. Anyway, keep it up!
Thanks for the good and informative video to Quenya. Your video really opened Quenya language structure and grammar for me. As a Finn, I was surprised at how much the Finnish language and Quenya have similarities. I know that Tolkien was interested in Finnish and used Finnish as one source for Quenya language. The grammar and pronunciation of Quenya are surprisingly similar to Finnish. One similarity is cases. In Finnish, there are 14 cases. The pronunciation of words in Quenya is also very similar to Finnish. I'm looking forward to the following videos. Excellent work.👏
Terve! from the other weird language of europe with 12 cases and sounding surprisingly similar to you in some aspects, Basque! At the beginning I was expecting more cases, but we can handle those few can't we? haha!
@@deiniou Hi, You piqued my interest and I really need to learn more about your weird language. I know the Basque region, but I do not know what the Basque language is like. On Google I found the information that the Basque language is the only isolated language in Europe and therefore very unique. So fascinating : )
I tried to learn Quenya on my own in 2006 (I think. Well almost two decades ago, anyway) using the Arda Lambian website. Got lost almost immediately, but never lost my love for the language. Your explanation of the basics gave me a hint as to why I got lost. Thanks.
I'm young and I watched lotr 2 days ago with my friend. Both, we want to lear Quenya. I'm French, and this video makes me happy because I managed to understand most of the video without the translated subtitles, and I was able to learn new things about Quenya. So, thank you for make this video.
Thank you. I appreciate this. Please do a deep dive into the language if you have the time. I would like to learn how to speak Quenya conversationally.
What a pleasant way to spend this Saturday morning. Instead of melting down over talk of new LotR movies( "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it", right?) I'm learning, instead, how to put Quenyan words together while deciding if your corset video will inspire me to dig out my Edwardian whites. Spring has arrived!
The pronouns in English preserve traces of the case system, especially "he" and "who". The possessive particle "-'s" is also a relic of one of the forms of the genitive case but it's become detached from the noun
It was a great educational video. Thanks for such an insightful introduction. I have seen several others but it is difficult and few, if any, have your linguistic training. Great job. Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo.
Expressing the impersonal : *mo quetë* , *mo quéta* , *mo quentë* "one speaks, one is speaking, one spoke"; *quetixë* , *quétaxë* , *quentexë* "it is spoken (attimes), it is spoken (now), it was spoken".
An interesting and informative watch as always! Looking forward to the next vid. :) Darüber hinaus begrüße ich die Verweise auf die deutsche Grammatik. ;p
@@dronesclubhighjinks In this context it is used as the alternative version for "Hinweis", so in the meaning of "reference". ;) Though the word also can mean "reprimand" or "rebuke".
Nicely done! Quenya can be tough to explain but you did it very well. I've studied some Finnish and Hebrew and I've always felt they showed similarities with Quenya in things like structure and grammar.
When your language has 12 cases, a verb split in two halves and no gender you find this delightfully simple! I find that a lot of conlangers go out of their way to make things too complex... To me quenya sometimes sounds just like what spanish sounded like to me when I was little and only spoke basque.
3:48 - Quenya has an eighth case: The respective case, sometimes referred to as the "mystery case", because we know very little about it. There are only a few examples by Tolkien himself, so its use is controversial (but not its formation, which he explained very well). 5:00 - In _i atan antane cirma i eldan_ , I think you put the stress on the wrong syllable in _atan,_ _antane_ and _eldan_ . I think you said "a-TAN", "an-TA-ne" and "el-DAN", but the correct pronunciation is "A-tan", "AN-ta-ne" and "EL-dan". In both Quenya and Sindarin, the stress rules are virtually the same: In words with two syllables, the stress falls on the second-to-last syllable. In words with three or more syllables, the stress falls, by default, on the third-to-last syllabl; but it falls on the second-to-last syllable if this syllable contains a long vowel (in Quenya, _á, é, í, ó, ú_ ) or a diphthong (in Quenya, _ai, au, eu, iu, oi, ui_ ) or if the vowel in this syllable is short (in Quenya, _a, e, i, o, u_ ) or if it is followed by a long/double consonant (in Quenya, _mm, nn, ll, rr, ss, tt, cc, pp_ ), by a consonant cluster or (in Quenya) by a palatalized or a labialized consonant (represented by a consonant plus _y_ or _w_ , respectivelly - keeping in mind that _qu_ is used in place of _cw/kw_ ). You also pronounce the stops/plosives with aspiration (as in English); but they are not pronunced like this (consonants have a "pure" sound in Elvish). 5:53 - The plural formation rules for nouns in Quenya is a little bit more complicated than that. But it is still very simple. There are only three rules, which are given below. Examples follow. ◾Noun ends in a vowel (but not _-e_ ), including _-ie_ → add _-r_ ◾Noun ends in a consonant → add _-i_ ◾Noun ends in _-e_ → replace this vowel with _-i_ » _alda_ “tree” → _aldar_ “trees” » _tie_ “path”, “way” → _tier_ “paths”, “ways” » _elen_ “star” → _eleni_ “stars” » _mahtar_ “warrior” → _mahtari_ “warriors” » _súre_ “wind” → _súri_ “winds” Adjectives also go to the plural in Quenya. An adjective must be plural when it describes a plural noun or pronoun or when it describes two or more nouns or pronouns. The plural formation rules for adjectives are not the same as for nouns, but they are also very simple. They are given below, with examples following. ◾Adjective ends in _-a_ → replace this vowel with _-e_ ◾Adjective ends in _-e_ → replace this vowel with _-i_ ◾Adjective ends in _-ea_ → replace this vowel combination with _-ie_ ◾Adjective ends in _-in_ → add _-i_ » sg. _vanima_ “beautiful”, “fair” → pl. _vanime_ (#) » sg. _sinde_ “grey”, “pale grey”, “silvery grey” → pl. _sindi_ » sg. _laurea_ “golden”, “like gold” → pl. _laurie_ » sg. _firin_ “dead” → pl. _firini_ # _Vanima_ is used "only of living things, specially Elves and Men".
спасибо за видео мне интересно учить Английский уча эльфийский. Это круто. Благодарю. Пожалуйста продолжай делать видео об этом языке. Если тебе это приносит удовольствие.
i prefer quenya. because of the peter Jackson movies, and what Tolkien worked with, there is more modern literature on a broken version of sindarian. quenya has more or closer roots to its inspirational languages, and is personally easier as a native English speaker. alatula!
Great video. Excuse my off topic, Tolkien is also known for this knowledge of many real languages. Do you know how he learned them in the old days when no help of internet was possible? I mean, maybe more in general, how people became polyglots in the old days, what was their way of learning? Would be a good topic for video in my opinion if I may suggest anything. Grüße aus Oberschlesien!
Nice, but no one can learn to speak Elvish in less than 19 minutes, I'm afraid. I am beginning a projected series of UA-cam videos that will discuss aspects of the language, and my introductory episode is entirely IN Quenya (with subtitles):ua-cam.com/video/ClhMTBoDtJQ/v-deo.html
How wise of the Valar, sending such a high stature Noldor to once again teach man their native tongue. On behalf of all elf-friends, thank you! Really great video, didn't get sleepy at all and I made it to the end! Not what I usually watch but I'm glad I did as not much beats listening about LotR lore. Excited to see the Tengwar video, Feanor would be proud
Actually, Fëanor rebelled against the Valar and left Aman with the Noldor to self-exile in Middle-Earth.
@@atanvardo5730 Thank you for the correction, but I am assuming this Noldor woman was one who stayed behind under High King Finarfin. :)
I studied linguistics and I thought you broke down the basic grammar pieces very well for everyone. Great job! would love to watch more
Elvish is such a beautiful language. I’m obsessed with it. I just love the way at looks when written down on paper, very pretty looking. Tolkien was an incredibly smart man. He literally created his own language.
LOTR geekiness brought me here, didn't expect such hi-quality linguistic content! Amazed and subscribed from now on :)
With love from Czechia!
Yesterdsy, I tried to teach my granddaughters how to write their first and middle names in TENGWAR. I tried to go by the examples of English alphabet in tengwar from a workbook by FIONA JALLINGS. We did very well, but it's so complicated. I need to research my textbooks before presenting my gift to a bunch of homeschoolers. When I was 14, I wished I could speak Elvish, but there were no material other than scholarly and the appendices and eventually the societies brought forth an abundance of material to speak and write. But the 50 years since my first inkling ( forgive me) was heavily punctuated with life and nothing else. This old dog will not easily learn now but I've started a whole new generation on the path. I will save your videos for posterity.
You're so cool!!! One day i'll do this as well!!
@@nezis5149 I hope you have many children to populate the world with your spirit.
Thank you this is really great work. anything Tolkien om am absolutely crazy about
Yay I always get excited for you Lotr/ Tolkien videos 😀 you exude so many Elven qualities elegance, intelligence well done. You speak English so well.
I think many people who appreciate the spirit of Tolkien will also appreciate learning the nuances of his language. I was engaged throughout the video.
A suggestion: given your interest in the more miscellaneous parts of LotR, I think you could really carve out a niche discussing the finer points of Arda's cultures. Say for example, what would woodland elves make their clothes out of, or how might the Noldor have changed the culture and fashion of the Sindar? Things like that, which sort of go beyond/speculate on more than what is readily discernible from the lore. Anyway, keep it up!
Thanks for the good and informative video to Quenya. Your video really opened Quenya language structure and grammar for me. As a Finn, I was surprised at how much the Finnish language and Quenya have similarities. I know that Tolkien was interested in Finnish and used Finnish as one source for Quenya language. The grammar and pronunciation of Quenya are surprisingly similar to Finnish. One similarity is cases. In Finnish, there are 14 cases. The pronunciation of words in Quenya is also very similar to Finnish. I'm looking forward to the following videos. Excellent work.👏
thank you for this additional info about Finnish! Really cool :)
Terve! from the other weird language of europe with 12 cases and sounding surprisingly similar to you in some aspects, Basque! At the beginning I was expecting more cases, but we can handle those few can't we? haha!
@@deiniou Hi, You piqued my interest and I really need to learn more about your weird language. I know the Basque region, but I do not know what the Basque language is like. On Google I found the information that the Basque language is the only isolated language in Europe and therefore very unique. So fascinating : )
I watched all the video! Thanks for the video and for being the first person to help me learn!
I tried to learn Quenya on my own in 2006 (I think. Well almost two decades ago, anyway) using the Arda Lambian website. Got lost almost immediately, but never lost my love for the language. Your explanation of the basics gave me a hint as to why I got lost. Thanks.
I'm young and I watched lotr 2 days ago with my friend. Both, we want to lear Quenya. I'm French, and this video makes me happy because I managed to understand most of the video without the translated subtitles, and I was able to learn new things about Quenya. So, thank you for make this video.
I enjoyed the journey! Thanks for making it!
Made it to the end, this was quite enjoyable. Can't wait for the tengwar video. 🙂
Thank you so much for another brilliant video. I stayed awake till the very end. Can't wait till the next video!!!
Thank you. I appreciate this. Please do a deep dive into the language if you have the time. I would like to learn how to speak Quenya conversationally.
I'm glad I came across this video. Subbed.
Greetings from Canada.
What a pleasant way to spend this Saturday morning. Instead of melting down over talk of new LotR movies( "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it", right?) I'm learning, instead, how to put Quenyan words together while deciding if your corset video will inspire me to dig out my Edwardian whites. Spring has arrived!
The pronouns in English preserve traces of the case system, especially "he" and "who". The possessive particle "-'s" is also a relic of one of the forms of the genitive case but it's become detached from the noun
It was a great educational video. Thanks for such an insightful introduction. I have seen several others but it is difficult and few, if any, have your linguistic training. Great job. Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo.
I do not think anything to the previous comments. Just a big thank you for a well produced educational video.
Expressing the impersonal : *mo quetë* , *mo quéta* , *mo quentë* "one speaks, one is speaking, one spoke"; *quetixë* , *quétaxë* , *quentexë* "it is spoken (attimes), it is spoken (now), it was spoken".
You are one magnificent woman keep on being yourself don't change anything about yourself 🍻 thanks for your outstanding videos soldier !
This the first video in a while I’ve seen where someone actually analyzes and explains the language in basics. Well done!
Its kinda copy paste from Fin language so it follows rules made a long time ago when a man named Mikael Agricolaa wrote it all down.... I said kinda.
How'd i miss this video??? Well im watching it now
I went in to save this video and see that I did that some time ago! Smart me 😁. So this time, I'll share instead. Sending to the groups.
Made it to the end dispite watching this in bed around midnight so was deffently not boring :)
Amazing video! Thank you! The more I learn about The Lord Of The Rings, the more I appreciate the brilliance of Professor Tolkien!
Great summary! One correction, *omentielvo* is in genitive because it's 'hour *of* our meeting' (and stress is sometimes off). But please do continue!
An interesting and informative watch as always! Looking forward to the next vid. :)
Darüber hinaus begrüße ich die Verweise auf die deutsche Grammatik. ;p
I don't even know what Verweise means aber Ihr Kommentar beeindruckt mich despite this. I should go check my translation app!
@@dronesclubhighjinks In this context it is used as the alternative version for "Hinweis", so in the meaning of "reference". ;)
Though the word also can mean "reprimand" or "rebuke".
@@anonymussicarius8899 thank you very very much!
In many ways a nice summary, but do read up on the stress rules. For instance, _atan_ is "AT-an" and not "a-TAN" (9:12).
Nicely done! Quenya can be tough to explain but you did it very well. I've studied some Finnish and Hebrew and I've always felt they showed similarities with Quenya in things like structure and grammar.
This is so cool! :D
When your language has 12 cases, a verb split in two halves and no gender you find this delightfully simple!
I find that a lot of conlangers go out of their way to make things too complex... To me quenya sometimes sounds just like what spanish sounded like to me when I was little and only spoke basque.
Ah, Tengwar... such a pain to learn. but so pretty! maybe you will be the one to teach me
Love the video. Please continue this series
3:48 - Quenya has an eighth case: The respective case, sometimes referred to as the "mystery case", because we know very little about it. There are only a few examples by Tolkien himself, so its use is controversial (but not its formation, which he explained very well).
5:00 - In _i atan antane cirma i eldan_ , I think you put the stress on the wrong syllable in _atan,_ _antane_ and _eldan_ . I think you said "a-TAN", "an-TA-ne" and "el-DAN", but the correct pronunciation is "A-tan", "AN-ta-ne" and "EL-dan". In both Quenya and Sindarin, the stress rules are virtually the same: In words with two syllables, the stress falls on the second-to-last syllable. In words with three or more syllables, the stress falls, by default, on the third-to-last syllabl; but it falls on the second-to-last syllable if this syllable contains a long vowel (in Quenya, _á, é, í, ó, ú_ ) or a diphthong (in Quenya, _ai, au, eu, iu, oi, ui_ ) or if the vowel in this syllable is short (in Quenya, _a, e, i, o, u_ ) or if it is followed by a long/double consonant (in Quenya, _mm, nn, ll, rr, ss, tt, cc, pp_ ), by a consonant cluster or (in Quenya) by a palatalized or a labialized consonant (represented by a consonant plus _y_ or _w_ , respectivelly - keeping in mind that _qu_ is used in place of _cw/kw_ ). You also pronounce the stops/plosives with aspiration (as in English); but they are not pronunced like this (consonants have a "pure" sound in Elvish).
5:53 - The plural formation rules for nouns in Quenya is a little bit more complicated than that. But it is still very simple. There are only three rules, which are given below. Examples follow.
◾Noun ends in a vowel (but not _-e_ ), including _-ie_ → add _-r_
◾Noun ends in a consonant → add _-i_
◾Noun ends in _-e_ → replace this vowel with _-i_
» _alda_ “tree” → _aldar_ “trees”
» _tie_ “path”, “way” → _tier_ “paths”, “ways”
» _elen_ “star” → _eleni_ “stars”
» _mahtar_ “warrior” → _mahtari_ “warriors”
» _súre_ “wind” → _súri_ “winds”
Adjectives also go to the plural in Quenya. An adjective must be plural when it describes a plural noun or pronoun or when it describes two or more nouns or pronouns. The plural formation rules for adjectives are not the same as for nouns, but they are also very simple. They are given below, with examples following.
◾Adjective ends in _-a_ → replace this vowel with _-e_
◾Adjective ends in _-e_ → replace this vowel with _-i_
◾Adjective ends in _-ea_ → replace this vowel combination with _-ie_
◾Adjective ends in _-in_ → add _-i_
» sg. _vanima_ “beautiful”, “fair” → pl. _vanime_ (#)
» sg. _sinde_ “grey”, “pale grey”, “silvery grey” → pl. _sindi_
» sg. _laurea_ “golden”, “like gold” → pl. _laurie_
» sg. _firin_ “dead” → pl. _firini_
# _Vanima_ is used "only of living things, specially Elves and Men".
This is so cool! Keep up these videos!
спасибо за видео мне интересно учить Английский уча эльфийский. Это круто. Благодарю. Пожалуйста продолжай делать видео об этом языке. Если тебе это приносит удовольствие.
Thank you for this video.❤
You really showed me the better side you lead me out of my darkness I was in i like you you're words are inpiring
Reminds me a lot of Finnish. Maybe this is why this video came up on my feed?
There is indeed claims that Tolkien took inspiration from Finnish.
thank you for the video!!
I watched it all and i LOVE IT❤❤
Which is easier to learn, sindarin or quenya?
i prefer quenya. because of the peter Jackson movies, and what Tolkien worked with, there is more modern literature on a broken version of sindarian. quenya has more or closer roots to its inspirational languages, and is personally easier as a native English speaker.
alatula!
Great video. Excuse my off topic, Tolkien is also known for this knowledge of many real languages. Do you know how he learned them in the old days when no help of internet was possible? I mean, maybe more in general, how people became polyglots in the old days, what was their way of learning? Would be a good topic for video in my opinion if I may suggest anything. Grüße aus Oberschlesien!
I would really love to learn more... I love this language. Would you help me?
can someone please translate “be here now” into quenya? i want to get it tattooed and want it to be correct
i made it amazing to me,2 languages for a story w o w
Nice, but no one can learn to speak Elvish in less than 19 minutes, I'm afraid. I am beginning a projected series of UA-cam videos that will discuss aspects of the language, and my introductory episode is entirely IN Quenya (with subtitles):ua-cam.com/video/ClhMTBoDtJQ/v-deo.html
Took so long to start teaching blah blah blah just start