Cheapest Trombone on Amazon VS My Professional Trombone
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Cheapest Trombone on Amazon VS My Professional Trombone
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00:19 - searching for cheap trombone
01:20 - unboxing
06:03 - play test
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I have two trombones. They're both Olds, one is an ambassador and one is a studio. They're bot from the early fifties so around 70 years old. The interesting thing is the ambassador is a dual bore while the professional studio is a single bore. The ambassador is worth probably only $150 or so second hand yet it plays so well. Much better than a P bone or that cheap Amazon bone you've just showcased. Both the bones I own have beautiful slides yet neither have been serviced in the 50 years I've owned them. So my point is don't buy a new piece of crap but get a great second hand one.
Agree. I found my King 3B at a pawn shop marked down to $425.00.
I am not a trombone player, played trumpet/coronet and baritone/euphonium in school. Recently found an Olds trombone in case at Valu-Village for about $35. 60's or more likely 70's vintage, with a nice silver mouthpiece. I haven't played for 45 years, but what the hell!
I have several trombones... two Yamaha 354s, a 543G, and an Ambassador - The Ambassador has the best slide!
That whole Olds factory was a great assembly of skilled craftsmen. Were your made in Fullerton or LA ? The LA trumpets are highly sought after but they made so many they are still cheap.
As always great stuff. You can make any trombone sound great 😊….that said the Williams is freaky good.
Thanks for the nice words
Amazon just sold enough cheap trombones to buy a truckload of Williams'. Great playing.
Thanks for the nice words and stopping by!
I've found that on new student trombones most of the time the slide should be washed clean and brushed with a snake or similar tool because most of the factory lubricants tend to be rough and have a bit of debris. The quality improves, not by a long shot but just enough for it to be tempered with time.
Cool video. I have started a ton of low brass players, and it's nice to see an objective presentation of this useful information. Very helpful for parents of beginners.
Thank you for stopping by
I would recommend getting a half-decent second-hand horn on ebay or Reverb (say a Conn) for about $300, then give it to a good technician to whip into shape.
(former) Trombonist and soundman here. I have to say, the overall tone quality of that cheap trombone is pretty good. Don't get me wrong, your William trombone has much better hamonics to it, a very sweet instrument indeed. Of course, a bad slide will tire you sooooo fast, I know what it is. Since we can't feel that over youtube, we judge what we can. Soundwise, that 189$ thing aint' too bad! Much better sound than those crappy plastic P-Bone we had to endure a while ago.
I believe it is great that people can start playing trombone with less than 200$! Other instruments are simply too expensive for someone who only wants to try to play. When I was a trombonist I was interested in learning how to play the tuba, but the cheapest ones was too expensive (min 1500€) for someone who doesn't want to become a professional musician. In my mind, this type of low cost trombones allows to a lot of people to get in touch with music and with our great instrument, and this is why I really appreciate them
Both are impressive due to the gloves!
i play with gloves in marching band
Too good. Yes, I had the same experience with a Shires custom I had made like a King 3B. It was the Cadillac of Trombones. But, it was so precise that I cracked notes with it. Very unforgiving. So many things can affect a trombone. I have 6 Pan American Trombones from way back. 5 are total dogs. One plays like a $2k trombone. I have found that the lead pipe was the difference. One out of six was great.
Well cheap or not you made it sound amazing.
Paul- Thank you for your many interesting you tubes. I play in a few small combos in Orange and S. Diego counties. Mostly play dixieland and trad jazz. Will be playing regularly in S. Juan near the train station this Summer. Also many retirement facilities. I have played with and in front of many celebrities for around 52 yrs. I love my Jiggs 2B and also play a 100 anniv. silversonic 2B and 125 anniv 3B
My son just started the trombone a d his teacher was adamant he gets a trombone w a good slide. However, all the rentals had horrible slides from prior student abuse so we returned it and bought him a $200 Amazon Trombone. The slide seems pretty good and his teacher was satisfied w it. I’m afraid to get him anything nicer knowing how careless he is.
Yeah that makes sense.
Thanks Paul. More one marvelous video! It like a friend give me good advices.
I appreciate you!
You are awesome amazing! thank you for being in the world…
My mom paid $150 for a used Yamaha YSL-354 when I was a sophomore in high school, over 30 years ago. Still playing it today.
i have the same one and it was my brothers trombone before mine. its been around a while but still plays nicely
Thanks for the comparison. Good information to know . I play a king 2b because of the info
Excellent demo. Unbelievable price for a trombone and case. To my untrained ear there seemed to be a better sound from your Williams. It sounds like you record with a bit of a concert hall setting on your equipment. It’s a gorgeous sound but it confuses me a bit. I’m sure it’s the gloves.
I'm only an amateur so my view probably means nothing.
However, 100% preferred the Budget trombone to the pro bone. Just sounded a fraction clearer.
Both sounded great mind, just personal choice for sound would be the Amazon.
Obviously, in terns of quality, you get what you pay for so would expect a pro horn to be built far better than a cheap one.
I bought an Amazon trombone for a 12 year old boy for $93 plus tax. The slide was the same as in your video. However, I cleaned it very well and the slide was much better. The young man I bought this for (his birthday) because he wanted to learn to play after hearing me play, and obviously I knew this horn wasn’t going to compare with a higher quality horn, but for a kid starting out, it was fine, especially if, as was in this case, the student loses interest after a year or two. Not much of a loss in this case. Loved your Williams!
This guy could make a tire iron sound like a million bucks!❤
My mom got me a used 200 dollar trombone for band and it lasted far longer than you'd think. Eventually it just fell apart. The slide was dented and the spit valve kept falling apart so I got a new one.
I’m the senior repair tech at a music shop, a former army musician, still gig constantly and play on the bass bone used in the Star Wars prequel soundtracks. As soon as I saw the “band now” sticker on the counterweight I knew what was gonna happen. My first customer repair over 11 years ago was on an Earl Williams. Talk about nerve wracking.
Fun comparison. I would have done the Bill Watrous cleaning on the slide and used a little more lube and a shot of water. The bigger the gob the better the job. A good slide makes a world of difference. I have a 1937 Blessing dual bore that my dad carried aboard ship in the south Pacific in WWII. In college, h never been serviced H
e lost the outer slide at the top of Keezar bleachers. He found it at the bottom no dents. My other horn is a King 3B I found languishing on a pawn shop. The slides on both of these are a 10.
I noticed more of a difference in ease of playing fast passages than in sound, but what do I know I’m a trumpet player. Great bone playing in any case.
Thank you! That’s correct, the Amazon slide make it more challenging to play fast
By the same token a pro does not necessarily want their horn to slot too well to the extent that they loose flexibility. The Yamaha YSL354 comes to mind. Good instrument and the deep notch slotting is great for student confidence, but it sits in the partials so deep it makes it a bit cumbersome to slur or trill.
I dunno - based on the sound coming over UA-cam through some decent speakers and not being influenced by confirmation bias of having to justify spending 5 grand there isn't a significant difference in the quality of the sound between them. The quality control on dirt cheap (Chinese?) instruments can vary - the slide on another one might be fine. I'll bet doing some tweaking on it could smooth it out. Making sure the tubes are completely straight and aligned, polishing both tubes. If the tubes are off and **can't** be made parallel without a major reworking that would cost more than the instrument is worth that's another story.
I have an approximately $300 Chinese C trumpet that plays great, has fast, buttery smooth valves. I doubt anyone would bet significant money in a blind test that they would choose a Bach Strad C over the Chinese cheapie.
I've only ever used gloves in marching band where they were required. Honestly they get so dirty at a certain point that they mark up the horn more than if you just used your bare hands.
i have played the instrument from 3rd grade summer school, 1970, when i thought i would be a drummer. i have followed Paul from the jump, he seems like a lovely bloke. and this is totes on me but, it's nails on a chalkboard when it's pronounced /trəmˈbōn/ , sounding like the 'u' in 'fun' or 'bump' instead of properly, /trämˈbōn/ , with the 'o' sounding like 'romp' or 'stomp'.
it is a trombone, not a trumbone.
and they are water keys, not spit valves
that is all
😂😂
And some are condensate relief valves* as "water key" is the name for a removable valve handle. (*not really I just made up that name.😁)
Concerning the slide...I couldn't help but notice that you did not clean the slide before playing the instrument. I'm sure it had some grinding powder in it that you should have washed out. When you applied lubricant you added just a tab at the top of the slide and not on the stockings. I kept thinking, "No wonder the slide grinds." Tone quality was fair. It is probably a Chinese trombone. I rented one for practice in Germany while my wife and I were there in 2015/16. The quality of the one I rented seemed to be pretty fair to me. In high school I played a King 2-B Liberty which I still have. My present trombone is a Gerhard Baier large bore trigger trombone made in Germany. I don't know how it would compare to a Shires model but it plays pretty well for me.
Those are some cool licks...
The Williams tb sounds much better.....Could you explain what proper slotting is? Are both trombones the same bore?
HES SO ME WITH THE GLOVES THIS I DO WEIRD SHI LIKE THAT TOOOO
I'm and freshman and I actually own this trombone! I got it from eBay for only 100 dollars. The slide is loud but I've gotten it smoother over time. I mainly play tuba, but want to up my trombone playing. I've gotten good at trombone, but obviously not amazing what trombone would you recommend getting to carry me for the rest and maybe out of highschool?
I got the alto version of this trombone, and it's pretty decent for beginners
Just buy a 2nd hand intermediate trombone if you're starting. Once you want to upgrade to a professional model you can usually sell your old intermediate level trombone almost for the same price if you took care of it properly.
I love the glove jokes
In glove we trust 🧤
HI IS THE CONN TROMBONE A GOOD TROMBONE? I PAID 160,00 IN 1966 FOR THAT TROMBONE MY FIRST BEEN PLAYING LONG TIME
If my goal is to play third trombone or just bass lines would the cheap one be fine?
Anyone know anything on the Yamaha YSL-645 I have one in very good condition almost brand new condition I picked up and have been playing instead of my old standard Bach student model
Can I get your opinion please? Seems like a good trombone,,,, Is this a
long shot? F. Besson Brevete 469 on slide, small bell,, worth restoring? & # 263 on bell, no spit valve,, a issue ? Lol, thank you David,,, made 1910?,,, beautiful engravings all over, bless you, thanks
Get your gloves in several different colors Plasma !
MAKE A FASHION STATEMENT 👀☺️👍😎😁 !
Dwight Stone
so as a fellow trombone player I am not sure how much lubrication you actually ended up using or if what you showed was all you used. But I can tell you when I had to remove all the lubrication (long story) from the outer slide and inner slides it was very metal on metal like that until I over-lubricated and built back up the coating on both sides. ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ just a throught
Case is nice!
Think cleaning that slide up woukd help. You are used to that williams really you have to play that amazon horn for a month to get the feel for it
Paul can you make a recommendation for instruments that have the best slides? Not necessarily just beginners models, you have likely played enough different instruments to be able to make a solid recommendation and I don't trust online reviews because you don't know if they were paid to skew the results toward a certain brand. And thanks for the continued videos and advice. Your efforts have helped my playing as I have returned to the instrument after a 50 year hiatus. Yeah Im an old guy.
King, bac, rath, conn, Yamaha , Edwards, , Bach, shires will all have great slides
Paul have you tested the Rath jp 230 model I think it’s a .500 bore it sells less than $1300. some say it plays better than a king 3B …thx Paul.
@@pebblebeach8517 never played it but hear great things! would love to try
yeah I bought a brand new Jupiter student model because, well I am a 69 year old student lol. But the slide on my 60 year old bundy was better than the new Jupiter, so I took it back to the local store where I bought it and got another one, and it was just as bad...I got my money back and bought a used Yamaha student model...slide is pretty good especially for used and abused. Still needs work but for $200 bucks it was a bargain. Beats the heck out of 1600 for the Jupiter.
@@thomaswomack3888 That is surprising Jupiter makes some pretty amazing instruments especially in the XO series like the 1634
I think the use of the echo-effect made it harder to hear any differences. Everything sounds better with echo (which explains most pop music from small countries) 😊
Quite an interesting and entertaining video , I only retain one thing though, not everyone can afford a William to start his own career. 🤪
No way I would have put that horn to my mouth without giving it a bath first. Just my preference though. Sometimes they don’t get factory residue off the slide. Might be worth a thorough slide cleaning first for a slightly better comparison, not that there’s really a comparison between the two horns. Lol.
Don't worry I cleaned it before I played it! thanks for stopping by
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Hi, question... my band teacher told us not to puff out our cheeks while playing. Yet I see you, a professional trombone player puffing your cheeks. Is there any specific reason?
Great.
the real test is how long until the cheap trombone falls apart
I guess I sort of put it in the same category as a plastic trombone. Like sure it's fine for what it is but I don't know what the point of it really is because it's not going to last. But that case on the other hand might be nearly worth it.
How can I get good at playing high notes! Please I have a concert in a bit and don’t want to mess up!😭
Have you tried Herb Bruce yet?
Dude how many trombones do you have I wish I had a proper trombone if you are kind enough to give a fan that would be something😢
why does both sound approximately the same to me?
Can you play the EBT-330 Eastar trombone on Amazon and it’s the best one in amazon apparently I want you to review that one
Thanks for letting me know, I’ll check it out
I bought a $6500 Shires and they didn’t even give me white gloves. I should have gotten this instead😂
It’s never too late 😂
I bought a pair of black magician-type gloves on Amazon for under $10.
LOL ...😁😎☺️👍👀
Hey I just bought a Dennis wick heritage mouthpiece for t-bone what do you suggest
Nice! How do you like it so far?
It’s pretty good 👍🏻 it’s got a good attack and still doesn’t sacrifice a Warner tone
There's no area, sound, articulation etc., where the Williams isn't superior. The amazon horn doesn't sound bad, though
Not the gloves😂🤣💀💀 Brand new subscriber here
I'll say just one thing. Obviously, the Williams is better overall. Gorgeous, gorgeous, horn. Hands down. But that cheap Chinese bone has a massively open and resonant high C in first and high Db in second. Like, scrub out that scratchy slide with some brass polish and you could almost make a career on that high C and Db. The Williams is obviously a masterpiece in general and slots much better in every other partial, but it sounds comparatively below the pitch and chokey on that high C in first. And apart from that, yay for Williams! Lol
He seems like he would be a cool crazy uncle
The gloves make all the difference!!!
How do I tongue my notes and stop lip fatigue?
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Part of it is you are used to the Williams. It CERTAINLY is not worth paying 25 times more for!!😮
I wonder if the gloves aren't there to protect your hands from the finish, lol. I know a guy who plays in the U.S. Marine Corp. band and he wears gloves for all his gigs as part of his uniform.
I wonder how much your mouthpiece improves the cheap bone compared to the 12C it comes with. I don't blame you for not using the beginner mouthpiece though.
What is that slide lube?
Yamaha
No wonder I was so much better in school. We wore gloves in marching band.
😂
Just imagine Urbie Green with gloves??!! Oh my!!!!!!
Urbie with Gloves featuring Paul Desmond
What? No slide-o-mix?
I'm a trumpet player and son plays trombone. Loved this video and so funny. My question with expensive horns like expensive cars is when if ever do you have more horn than player. E.g.the player may not be good enough to realize the differences in higher end horns. I always go by sound and feel.
Yeah it definitely doesn’t make sense for a beginner to get a pro custom horn. There are many pro used horns in the 500-1k range that are suitable after a beginner instrument
I think the Amazon bone is good enough for you
Air Leaks for amazon
Oops In my opinion the Amazon was a much better tone. Obviously you are a great player and could probably get a great sound playing a hosepipe connected to a carboard box but the intonation on your pro horn was awful. I took the tones when you did octave leaps so not due to slide position and your custom bone was sharp on the upper register. Just saying. I often find that emperor's new clothes comes to mind with custom built instruments.
Gloves
Is this $200 trombone one of those that warn of possible lead poisoning?
It’s possible , definitely read the fine print
Cheap one sounded best
You're killing me with those gloves. I hate those damn gloves. Every year when a kid comes in with white gloves and a POS from China, I die a little inside. This year, first year ever, not a single white glove at any of my six schools. Yes!!!!!
As for your recording, I hear more warmth and resonance on your Williams, but it sounds like the biggest difference is that the slide on the Amazon doesn't move well. You can hear the bumps in your tone after the attacks, and you can see it in your face. Your embouchure is locked in and immovable on your Williams, but on your Amazon horn it looks like you're doing calisthenics and lifting weights with your face.
Its better to buy a used American or European -made horn, or Yamaha or even Jupiter. Quality used professional or reputable student models, from someone you know, a local store, or ebay, will get you a better horn than these Indian and Chinese models.
Yes, agreed
@@PaulTheTrombonist I started on a very used '57 6H and could not blame any mistakes on the horn. I also picked up a 1970's King Cleveland 605-F on Ebay and it sounds just like a 2B but with an F-attachment (I'll bet they used the same bells with different engraving). Kids with short arms, kids who can't reach past 5th position, would really benefit from something like that - small bores (.485-.500) with F. A 3B-F is great, but a LOT more expensive.
If there are white gloves in the photo just walk away
Not THAT bad for a cheap trombone
Can’t compare a $5000 horn to a $200 horn. It’s a waste of time. I’m still going to buy a cheap one for my nephew he wants to learn how to play.
I think your phone has better sound quality
Slide sounds bad out of the box
Come on, there are more efficient ways to open a box
Next time don't use a 10$ microphone to hear the difference
Paul
My Earl Williams is better than yours……
I got mine from Dick Nash.
you should donate that trombone to Africa there is that fundation called Saved by music or something
great idea! This is actually going to a young relative of mine that wants to learn. I donate instruments all the time to a variety of people in need though
@@PaulTheTrombonist I got 3 cheep trombones from ebay and face book market I fixed them up and now I got 3 students age 10 to 14 playing on them. And by the way I'm sure slide on your trombone can be fixed probably is wrongly alignment but I guess good instrument repair tech would take another 200 for fixing it. Great videos and amazing skills. Good luck.
@@tuniox8914 Nice news, good stuff to read at 04.20 hrs before going back to sleep with a smile..
Starting kids playing is vital by hook or by crook. In the UK the system that worked since 1845 onwards is broken and being the Arts it doesn't matter and been in decline for 40 years.
A Philistine prime minister who had zero interest in the arts, working class culture, she had no awareness that culture existed outside the Westminster Bubble in central London.
Politicians closing heavy industry, coal, steel,, shipbuilding, vehicle production and destroying the millions of jobs that were the supply chain, everything lost forever. In particular the tradition of brass bands associated with heavy industry. The rundown of the army, navy, air force, marines and so many bands, the country is so empty of music and zero money for teachers.
Recession for two years and no money for the arts, gyms, youth clubs since 2010 after twelve years of deliberate Fake. Austerity to break everything good and uplifting in favour of Nothingness.
The UK never went for marching bands which is such a great culture and demanding discipline to make the music live, cheerleaders, parents, teachers, I take my hat off to the US and Canada plus other countries who absorbed the tradition.
Best wishes Paul, share your great talent and inspire others as you do beautifully. My second instrument was the trombone, an inspiring teacher Peter Davis, one of the best amateur trombone players from the fifties in the UK. Pete sadly died at the age oof 48 far to young but the gift of three years of teaching, age 13 to 16 lives on with me.
Brass bands in the UK are a section of three trombones, two tenors and a bass which complies with the rules controlling player numbers for the other great tradition of band contests.
My start in brass bands was the Salvation Army who didn't contest and unlimited player numbers which often topped out with five trombones. Four tenors and a bass making it a choir within each band, a brighter sound and composer's could split the 1st doubled, 2nd doubled, bass into a five part choir. More than symphony orchestras and contesting band's but wind bands can have bigger trombone sections.
Just to give some unique UK brass band history that changed in 1965. Bands pitch was A equals 452 Hz giving cornet's and trombones in particular a brighter. sound but that included the rest of the band, the horns, baritones (unique to British brass bands from 1850) euphoniums and tubas. The revised pitch in 1965 was concert pitch A = 440Hz to comply with the rest world.
I still have my Great Grandfather, George Wright's Bb tenor trombone from 1890. George was a miner who lived and worked in South Shields, County Durham, the north east of GB. Great Granddad must have had excellent taste in trombones as you have mentioned your Cousins Paul. Georges tenor was a Joseph Highams, a Manchester instrument maker and award
winner from various exhibitions around the world. Highams trombones were the choice of professional orchestras in the era of Edward Elgar.
Dennis Wick did ask to borrow the Highams which is a small bore trombone and to test a range of sackbut mouthpieces. I wasn't happy allowing the trombone which is my families only link with my Great Grandparents, seven great uncles which includes my Granddad, and seven half great uncles from Georges second marriage.
Best wishes all.
@@thisismyuniquestory I'm teaching music for my local brass band Arklow shipping silver band in Ireland right now we got 3 trombones 4 cornets 3 baritons and tenohorn learning I got 5 lessons one to one just today and it's best thing I could do with my free time. Your some old dinosaur of brass banding probably could learn a lot from you have a great weekend.
Stop saying "bad boy " really lame.
The difference is so small I would only pay for a nice slide if or qhen I will buy a trombone.
Very interesting!! Did you use the same mouthpiece for both tests? What is this mouthpiece?
Yes I did, wick heritage 6bs