I really enjoyed that, looking forward the mini-series 👍 You're very good at being interesting without being boring, especially when dealing with a lesser-known car. I (like many), had seen the later M12 on telly but totally missed these earlier cars.
40-60 F-R especially on a RWD, IS the best weight distribution you can have. Best grip, slight under steer rather than ridiculous over steer and as you get it to speed, front aero keeps you on your line and no need for draggy rear aero. 50-50 is twitchy and doesn't really know where it's supposed to go and needs all the aero assistance it can possibly have, just to keep it between the hedges. For the panel work, If you'd bead roll some nice patterns into each panel, they would make less noise and be more rigid. The bonding method I'll leave up to you, just that, if you connect aluminium with steel, you create an electric couple that corrodes the steel. No treatment can't even slow the process, only way to prevent it is to fully isolate those two metals from contacting each other. The problem becomes worse when you add alternating current into the mix, as in alternator. Direct current does the same, only slightly slower and more localized, as in earth points etc. That's why those kit cars rot. The treatment on the steel frame is very much insignificant. Then there's the condensed water inside the frame. It needs a hefty bit of speed holes for drain and ventilation, and treatment on the inside. Otherwise it rots from the inside out, like a Rover or Lancia. Wishing you the very best of luck. That is a cool car. EDIT bcz youtube took my reply button away: Steel is "lesser metal" than aluminium. It's the one that rots away. There are nylon pop rivets available, designed to combat this very issue. I would add a layer of panel glue in between, making the rivets more psychological pieces, than actual fasteners.
I'd assume the rivets (pop-rivets?), would have aluminium outers so very hard to completely avoid alu-to-steel contact. I'd thought the alu would sacrificially corrode itself away and protect the steel though (?)
I agree that electrolytic corrosion can be an issue but there is no need to worry, just look after the car. Lotus/Caterham Sevens have a painted steel chassis (latterly powder coated) and aluminium panels are attached with steel pop rivets. Some have suffered over the last 50 years of production but most are fine because owners tend to clean off salt/mud and keep them dry and under cover. ACF50 or waxoyl in and on chassis tends to help. No need for panel glues either as the chassis is very stiff and any panel noise is drowned out by every other noise!
I don’t live too far away from Barwell Leicestershire, car transporters full of brand new M12’s heading out to the M1 were quite a common sight in the early 00’s.
I'd always thought those panels hung up in your workshop were from a BMW Z1, having never really looked at them too closely (well, as close as you can look on video). So it has been very interesting to hear they're actually taken from a car I didn't even know existed, excellent work Mr Kitchen.
Fantastic to see that car again, I last saw it at Goodwood on one of their Breakfast Clubs back in 2010(could be wrong about the year). Looked like an oddity among the other cars there on Supercar Sunday but nevertheless a worthy entry and great to goggle at all the cars and bikes that arrive for these events.
This is awesome. I remember seeing the M10 at one of the shows at the time. I have owned both a cyclone turbo and a Raffo Belva! Am currently rebuilding the Belva albeit heavily modified. Some clips on my UA-cam. Keep The updates coming if you can.
Love your channel Rich, the cars and the French revolution, I've got Eugene Delacroixs "Liberty Leading the people" on my wall. Personally I think we need an English revolution with the wealth gap and extreme poverty I have witnessed first hand while working in schools in the south west, viva la revolution!
Off with his head is pretty apt for a convertible! Looking forward to seeing you easily get this car back on the (rolling) road ... trying to think positive for you!
I have to admit I have never heard of the M10, so this series should be fascinating. Mid engine duratec in sub-1000kg sounds like a hoot. As for kit cars, my dad had a Westfield SE with an SR20. Extremely difficult to drive in a straight line and miserable to drive on a hot day. I kind of miss it.
This looks interesting, I had no idea there was an M10! Hopefully this will attract the attention of some of the folks over on Pistonheads. Great choice of engine. Lighter than the Mazda 4 cylinder 1.8/2.0 from the MX-5. Then again, Porsche and Cosworth do kinda know quite a lot about designing engines.
50:50 is only the perfect weight distribution if the front and rear tyres are the same size, Kitch! Grand Prix cars (and most racing cars) were around 35:65 to 40:60 back in the 90's with the tyres sized to match (much wider tyres in the rear) -- course this is much tricker to drive than a 50:50 car, but more weight on the rear does increase drive traction in a rear wheel drive car.
"heavy" rear does also enhance possible brake force. since that means more weight stays on the rear wheels when hard braking induce weight transfer. 50:50 might be "perfect" for turning at an steady speed, but not great for anything else. Faster acceleration and stopping are why all purpose built track cars are designed rear heavy.
Ooooo this will be a good one! I do like a noble and I also like that yellow this one is painted in, reminds me of a 70’s Datsun or a tin of birds custard powder :D
Friend of mine has a low volume car company near him that makes a Morgan like 3 wheeler, he says he does SVA because getting type approval (as he did in the 90s) is now such a pain, says the people involved are so inexperienced hes telling them more about regulations then they know and it's such a hassle to deal with the dvla, giving the v5 the wrong information etc
Plenty of obvious clues to your TVR interests but I'd never picked up on your kit-car side. The two can come closer together than many might suppose. I've owned a few kit cars but from about '74 to '82 I owned a 'GP Yak' which someone else had built. 'GP' was Grantura Plastics (what a giveaway!) and, unsurprisingly, was based in Blackpool. Mini sub-frames in tubular space-frame chassis bonded to fibreglass body 'inspired' by the Moke. Mine had removeable soft doors and side panels but previous owner had replaced one panel after the point in time when fixings changed from press-studs to velcro so it couldn't be sealed to soft roof on that side (or anything even vaguely close to sealed). That hardly mattered: riotous fun from 850cc on 10" wheels. Stopped by police several times but never booked for anything.
Expected SM Sunday, instead got an interesting video on a manufacturer I had heard of but have never seen in the metal, so to speak. And again, the minutes just flew by. Nice 🙂 By the way, what's with the guardian toy in that hose reel...?
The frame might need to be epoxy coated (electrically?) to isolate it from the aluminium plates. Otherwise there's a risk of galvanic corrosion if it's left outside. This was something that happened with superleggera bodied car in the old times, they self destructed. Another example is a model S tesla with an unauthorized tow hook installed. The bolts that attach the tow hook subframe to the body may trigger corrosion.
There was a Noble before the M10... A kind of comically styled buggy thing that was designed to have a PRV V6 in the back. My uncle and I went to visit Noble, and my uncle even bought an engine in readiness, but I don't think the car ever made it to production.
Didn't Clarkson drive an M12 on TopGear? Early 2000nds had loads of weird unheard of super cars. Who remembers the Koenigsegg ccx The Pagani Zonda as well.
My dad has a prosport 3000 car number 12 that was once on the road couldn't tell you what approval that had though it ain't the easiest thing to drive I'll can tell you that much i managed to get it in reverse at speed exploded the diff oopsy 😂
The UK leading Noble rebuild specialist 🤭
And Aussie Falcon service centre!
Looking forward to the rolling road vid on this. Along with the SM and The D not a DS.
"Not Giovanni.... Lee" I lol'ed.
I liked this video, and there’s a button specifically for that.
I can add nothing other then I’m looking forward to watching it come together
I really enjoyed that, looking forward the mini-series 👍
You're very good at being interesting without being boring, especially when dealing with a lesser-known car.
I (like many), had seen the later M12 on telly but totally missed these earlier cars.
It took me way too long to realise that the door behind you is just loosely stood there...
Also I really like your storytelling
40-60 F-R especially on a RWD, IS the best weight distribution you can have. Best grip, slight under steer rather than ridiculous over steer and as you get it to speed, front aero keeps you on your line and no need for draggy rear aero. 50-50 is twitchy and doesn't really know where it's supposed to go and needs all the aero assistance it can possibly have, just to keep it between the hedges. For the panel work, If you'd bead roll some nice patterns into each panel, they would make less noise and be more rigid. The bonding method I'll leave up to you, just that, if you connect aluminium with steel, you create an electric couple that corrodes the steel. No treatment can't even slow the process, only way to prevent it is to fully isolate those two metals from contacting each other. The problem becomes worse when you add alternating current into the mix, as in alternator. Direct current does the same, only slightly slower and more localized, as in earth points etc. That's why those kit cars rot. The treatment on the steel frame is very much insignificant. Then there's the condensed water inside the frame. It needs a hefty bit of speed holes for drain and ventilation, and treatment on the inside. Otherwise it rots from the inside out, like a Rover or Lancia.
Wishing you the very best of luck. That is a cool car.
EDIT bcz youtube took my reply button away: Steel is "lesser metal" than aluminium. It's the one that rots away. There are nylon pop rivets available, designed to combat this very issue. I would add a layer of panel glue in between, making the rivets more psychological pieces, than actual fasteners.
I'd assume the rivets (pop-rivets?), would have aluminium outers so very hard to completely avoid alu-to-steel contact. I'd thought the alu would sacrificially corrode itself away and protect the steel though (?)
I agree that electrolytic corrosion can be an issue but there is no need to worry, just look after the car. Lotus/Caterham Sevens have a painted steel chassis (latterly powder coated) and aluminium panels are attached with steel pop rivets. Some have suffered over the last 50 years of production but most are fine because owners tend to clean off salt/mud and keep them dry and under cover. ACF50 or waxoyl in and on chassis tends to help. No need for panel glues either as the chassis is very stiff and any panel noise is drowned out by every other noise!
Every day's a school day - looking forward to learning more.
I don’t live too far away from Barwell Leicestershire, car transporters full of brand new M12’s heading out to the M1 were quite a common sight in the early 00’s.
You are the South Coasts answer to Ian Tyrell’s Classics !
Your channel just keeps on getting better and better.
I'd always thought those panels hung up in your workshop were from a BMW Z1, having never really looked at them too closely (well, as close as you can look on video). So it has been very interesting to hear they're actually taken from a car I didn't even know existed, excellent work Mr Kitchen.
brilliant video, great to see a noble enthusiastic car restorer
Fantastic to see that car again, I last saw it at Goodwood on one of their Breakfast Clubs back in 2010(could be wrong about the year). Looked like an oddity among the other cars there on Supercar Sunday but nevertheless a worthy entry and great to goggle at all the cars and bikes that arrive for these events.
This is awesome. I remember seeing the M10 at one of the shows at the time. I have owned both a cyclone turbo and a Raffo Belva! Am currently rebuilding the Belva albeit heavily modified. Some clips on my UA-cam. Keep
The updates coming if you can.
Love your channel Rich, the cars and the French revolution, I've got Eugene Delacroixs "Liberty Leading the people" on my wall. Personally I think we need an English revolution with the wealth gap and extreme poverty I have witnessed first hand while working in schools in the south west, viva la revolution!
Another car firm to add to your list of makes your a specialist in. Great video Mr Kitch, looking forward to the series
what an amazing project
Excellent intro to the Noble. Looking forward to the rest.
I didn't realise so much of our work was chassis up rebuilds. I think the DM is in safe hands (not that I ever doubted it!)
A very interesting story/video, will be great to see the process of the rebuild 😊
Off with his head is pretty apt for a convertible!
Looking forward to seeing you easily get this car back on the (rolling) road ... trying to think positive for you!
I have to admit I have never heard of the M10, so this series should be fascinating. Mid engine duratec in sub-1000kg sounds like a hoot.
As for kit cars, my dad had a Westfield SE with an SR20. Extremely difficult to drive in a straight line and miserable to drive on a hot day. I kind of miss it.
I'm looking forward to the series!
Loved the nod to the Pub Landlord 😂
Subscribed purely because of the intro 🤣
This looks interesting, I had no idea there was an M10! Hopefully this will attract the attention of some of the folks over on Pistonheads. Great choice of engine. Lighter than the Mazda 4 cylinder 1.8/2.0 from the MX-5. Then again, Porsche and Cosworth do kinda know quite a lot about designing engines.
Ooo, this is exciting. I also had no idea they made a convertible.
Great project, looking forward to the resuts. :)
Noble are definately still about, A M500 was/is coming late 24. Be very interesting to follow this build.
Nice to hear something about your day job. Also, I agree with you about "The Rest is History." Lighthearted but not light weight.
Excellent video Rich. Very well researched, edit and presented on the M10.
IVA videos? Definitely will watch.🚗
1:06 ..... The Pub Landlord, is that you?
Never confused
Fascinating, I always wondered what the bodywork was hanging on your wall!
Even though I have probably less than zero interest in that sort of machinery I found that both fascinating and entertaining !!!
Excellent video, looking forward to seeing you assemble the Noble.
50:50 is only the perfect weight distribution if the front and rear tyres are the same size, Kitch! Grand Prix cars (and most racing cars) were around 35:65 to 40:60 back in the 90's with the tyres sized to match (much wider tyres in the rear) -- course this is much tricker to drive than a 50:50 car, but more weight on the rear does increase drive traction in a rear wheel drive car.
"heavy" rear does also enhance possible brake force. since that means more weight stays on the rear wheels when hard braking induce weight transfer. 50:50 might be "perfect" for turning at an steady speed, but not great for anything else. Faster acceleration and stopping are why all purpose built track cars are designed rear heavy.
Love the video, well done.
Fantastic video. Really looking forward to seeing it take shape. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
I love making panels, I just wish that I had a press brake, bead roller, and an english wheel. Maybe one day!
A bit of specialist kitch doing his thing on a rate as rare car...looking forward to this one
Blimey that’s a rare chassis.. can’t wait to see the body draped over it and the subsequent test drive up a random farmers track to their house.
Remember seeing a pic back in the day always wanted to look into what it was.
But now I can learn more..
cant wait for this
Ooooo this will be a good one! I do like a noble and I also like that yellow this one is painted in, reminds me of a 70’s Datsun or a tin of birds custard powder :D
You sir, are doing noble work there. Vince
Friend of mine has a low volume car company near him that makes a Morgan like 3 wheeler, he says he does SVA because getting type approval (as he did in the 90s) is now such a pain, says the people involved are so inexperienced hes telling them more about regulations then they know and it's such a hassle to deal with the dvla, giving the v5 the wrong information etc
Plenty of obvious clues to your TVR interests but I'd never picked up on your kit-car side. The two can come closer together than many might suppose.
I've owned a few kit cars but from about '74 to '82 I owned a 'GP Yak' which someone else had built. 'GP' was Grantura Plastics (what a giveaway!) and, unsurprisingly, was based in Blackpool.
Mini sub-frames in tubular space-frame chassis bonded to fibreglass body 'inspired' by the Moke. Mine had removeable soft doors and side panels but previous owner had replaced one panel after the point in time when fixings changed from press-studs to velcro so it couldn't be sealed to soft roof on that side (or anything even vaguely close to sealed). That hardly mattered: riotous fun from 850cc on 10" wheels. Stopped by police several times but never booked for anything.
Great vid. very interesting.
Have always loved British gpr cars, have had TVR, marcos, all great
Very cool project.
Expected SM Sunday, instead got an interesting video on a manufacturer I had heard of but have never seen in the metal, so to speak. And again, the minutes just flew by. Nice 🙂 By the way, what's with the guardian toy in that hose reel...?
The frame might need to be epoxy coated (electrically?) to isolate it from the aluminium plates. Otherwise there's a risk of galvanic corrosion if it's left outside. This was something that happened with superleggera bodied car in the old times, they self destructed. Another example is a model S tesla with an unauthorized tow hook installed. The bolts that attach the tow hook subframe to the body may trigger corrosion.
I mean, it made it this far with just a powder coated chassis, so...
I would like to see more TVR coverage :)
More to come...
There was a Noble before the M10... A kind of comically styled buggy thing that was designed to have a PRV V6 in the back. My uncle and I went to visit Noble, and my uncle even bought an engine in readiness, but I don't think the car ever made it to production.
So...there wasn't really then? 😆
Didn't the French execute a lot of their nobles?
He he yes they did!!
ah , another project :D ... I'm wondering if the M stands for Manual assembly :3
This is going to be an exciting journey. Nice intro. Crack On !
What a shame there are just 6 because it looks fantastic and I like colour.
Just been watching Rallye Historique Monte Carlo 2025 , and what was taking part ?? a not your SM charging through the snow ! ( engine sounded great )
What is the glass door behind you?
Does it actually do anything?
Leads to Narnia
Actually, if you cut that panel along the fold it does look as if it would make a couple of serviceable guillotine blades...
Cant wait to follow this, your oratory makes me laugh.
I think Wheeler Dealers did a blue Noble..... not sure which one...
Didn't Clarkson drive an M12 on TopGear?
Early 2000nds had loads of weird unheard of super cars.
Who remembers the Koenigsegg ccx
The Pagani Zonda as well.
The Spyker C8 and the Ascari A10 are a couple others I almost remembered (I had to look up the model names 😂)
I saw the Koenigsegg in the Top Gear studio when it was there for it's second run on the show.
He did. This actual car was in one of the features.
what's the zebra looking thing in the old photos of it about 22:47?
+1 something with Lambo/scissor doors??
That's a Spectre P107 in prototype camouflage.
@@stevedunford7632 many thanks :)
It's a Zebra GTO
The Rust is History.
Interesting
Can we have some Emma noble ? Lol
Donnerwetter, What a range of different cars you are working on. It is impressive and exiting (in this age of EV's)
Isn't that opening a bit.... Philomena Cunk?
It wasn't that good!
What is an M10 worth these days?
My dad has a prosport 3000 car number 12 that was once on the road couldn't tell you what approval that had though it ain't the easiest thing to drive I'll can tell you that much i managed to get it in reverse at speed exploded the diff oopsy 😂
Does that doorbell work rich ? 😂
Yes
Fenix…..like Tenacious D - Rize of the Fenix 🤔
Yes, I am useless at photograph. And I can't weld to save my life either.
I thought Lee was a Chinese name? 🐈
Like Bruce is?
😀
Go go gadget
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
"All in all it's just a/yellow thing on The Wall."
Sorry.
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mate you need more hours in the day 😅
Tell me about it