On stage he barely ever got punished for it due to how safe and fast of a move it is. Though at ledge I agree with you, Dark Wizzy started avoiding it every time Leon used FSmash to ledge trap.
Agreed Jr has one of the best jabs in the game. He should have mixed that with down tilt a bit more often. Really close game though LeoN's Jr was looking really good there
@@TyphonCH I'm more than happy to see another professional smash player use Bowser Jr. even as just a secondary pick. Both Bowser and Bowser Jr. have been overlooked mostly in past Smash games, so it's nice to see both of them receiving more representation and better competitive results in Smash Ultimate.
@Aogh _ Lol, I'm not saying I know more than LeoN. I'd get bopped by him in bracket. I'm just giving some advice + pointing out a thing he could've done to potentially do better in the set. It's just one problem I noticed.
@Aogh _ Bro if a top player uses their 10nth best pocket there's no way a person who mains that character would know less than a top player and his 10nth best pocket.
typical social media idiots sitting in their dxracer chairs saying "shoulda done this". ofc he shoulda. anyone can make an observation after the situation happened y'all are really helpless LOL
chesslo21 High tier might’ve been a little too much but his up air strings, good recovery and jab are really good, hes def better than some mid tiers imo
1:48 Mario main here. It actually does two frame but it's the saddest two frame ever because the opponent just turns around and grabs ledge, it's more of an anti scrub tactic since lower level players go above ledge way more.
If it's a two frame then the opponent has already grabbed the ledge and they will pop up right in front of Mario. You can true combo it into down smash or up smash. If it's not a two frame and hits opponents up b it's a free stock. Like what Dark Wizzy tried there. Not a scrub tactic imo.
Bowser Jr. Tips: At 65-80% you can combo a side-b hit into up-b hammer. Don't use grab, unless you are sure you can get it since it's really not safe (lower percents falling nair can string into it) Jab kills at the ledge around 125% and jab comes out around frame 7 (fast) + Jabbing after f-smash is a good option on ledge which can catch opponents out since f-smash has relatively low ending lag and jab comes out fast and can kill at the ledge. Don't spam fair since it's active hitbox is deceivingly short, use nair/bairs instead since they have better frame data when landing The movement from Leon was really good, but grabbed too much, dair does not auto-cancel like it did in smash 4 and doesn't really combo into anything at higher percents + not really safe so best not to use it often. He looked like he played it occasionally but it doesn't look like he plays Bowser Jr. as a pocket so this looked like a "ima lose, but what the heck lets bust this character out" type moment.
these "tips" are legit stupid ROFL. you dont think leon looked at bowser jrs frame data? how is saying "jab is good" gonna help literally anyone beyond a beginner level (where you're at)
@@doomeyay Yes I think leon did not look at Jr. frame data. Yes I think people who play this game competitively do not know how to play or play against some characters. Yes I think these tips are for people who do not play or play against the character mentioned above. I'm glad you are above these tips, but please recognize you are not the intended audience of these tips.
@Gavin Lee Yeah smash community are sheep. Bowser Jr is a really good character. Definitely a lower high tier. He literally has no weaknesses in his game and has amazing tools 1.Idk how clowns say his recovery is bad. Hes one of the most non-gimpable dudes in the game. Plus that hammer outta UpB does waaaay more knockback than you'd think it do 2. Great projectiles. Cannonball is active for freakin ever and is a key anti-edgeguarding tool. Mecha Koopa comes in the clutch as a combo breaker, combo extender, space controller, and set up tool. The exploding clown car cant even be challenged. If he drops it on your shield you just have to hold that for like 60 frames 3. Heavy weight but amazing mobility. Dude is in the top 5 most mobile characters in the game. That alone makes him viable in a game like smash 4. Best Jab in the game by far. Its not even close 5. Insane damage output and consistent combos Like i have no idea why people think hes a bad character. Dude has the sauce
0:12 I can't help but realize how much Sakurai makes the characters to the actual game, yea its not interesting to watch the camp but if you think about it it's literally a Mario game, Mario is waiting for Bowser to approach just like in the real game where you wait for Bowser to jump while Bowser tries to attack with his fire attacks hoping Mario tries to attack.
Depends on what you mean by “beat” A few times throughout Mario games bowser has won, he did it a lot in odyssey for example, but Mario always wins the final battle
That's for alot of match ups in this game tbh. Zelda,pacman,heck even Ike if you dun respect NAIR OF THE GODS, also Ridley's advantage state. If you dun know what hes gunna do you die at 50 sometimes....he also dies at 50 sometimes if they dun know what they are doing lol
Damn, Dark Wizzy's Mario is solid, and so is Leon's Bowser Jr. though as a regular user of BJ myself, the lack of mechakoopa usage, let alone amazing mechakoopa capitalization like at 10:00, left me hungry.
@@JDuzzle To me it looked like a cancelled up air, If you go free by frame. Really you don't need to tech that if you act in the air before you hit the ground. It was impressive that he knew there would be no tech from neutral and then dashed into a jablock, but I see so many pros do it almost 100% of the time.
Fwuffycodbunny So now I have it down and I can almost do it consistently. When I mess up it comes out as a f-smash. Thanks for telling me how to do it.
It also helps to understand how the buffer system works. It makes it really easy. The only thing that gets difficult is learning the autocancel frames to get it tight for a tournament setting but honestly ull be good in friendlys lol.
Fwuffycodbunny Just because the online isn’t as good as smash 4 dosent automatically mean smash 4 is better. The buffer system I can agree with you sucks. But sometimes it’s useful.
mario could have killed bowser at 4:12 by aiming flying slam offstage, a lot of people don’t do that but whoever’s at lower percent has priority to control where it goes
Leon’s Jr is good but he really needs to use Jr’s tools better for stage control.. not a pro myself or anything but watching this vs the Ketchup v HBox game, Leon just does not have the stage presence Jr can have
i mean he has beaten cosmos bad one time, but after that he got destroyed by cosmos repeatedly because he got figured out. dark wizzy wasn't playing into his bait and punish game instead he chose to play the same game and it nullified leons game. this is why he didn't look as good. if you don't play aggressive and let bowser make the first move you can really punish him with a good combo game like mario's . leon became impatient however he still made close games. Leon actually played awesome this whole set with bowser but wizzy played like a god here.
Wizzy overreacts every time a single stock is taken from him. You are not a God dude, you wont go very many sets with all three of your sparkling stocks against all these pros. Goh
people need to stop complaining about leons bowser jr play... hes still learning the character. all I see is I wish he did more down tilts , I wish he up b'd to get out of combos blah blah blah he took a game off wizzy the best mario with JR , more then what anyone complaining could do. yall would get three stocked hard. give leon a few months and he will likely have a better Bowser Jr than Ketchup. Leon created the meta for Bowser players, and im sure he will do the same for Bowser Jr players. chill dudes you can't expect someone to know all the best options when they've put so much time into one character and then start playing a totally different one
8:20
Announcer: Bowser
Dark Wizzy: I’m sleep
Announcer: Junior
Dark Wizzy: *REAL SHIT*
Dark Wizzy's face when he heard Bowser Jr. was priceless
8:20
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I would prob react the same way if I had to fight a bowser jr in tourney.
@@Kelsang01 Whats wrong with bowser jr?
Elizabeth Lugo he expected bowser so when he heard the junior he was caught of guard
leon's jr. is actually kinda sick
he plays ultimate bowser jr like its smash 4 bowser jr
yeah that was to all the people that love to bash him playstyle on bowser
Attitude he’s better in ultimate
@@quayakins5496 who bashed him
@@stephaniecurry45 People used to call his bowser lame
I swear Mario has 4 jumps whenever I see Wizzy’s combos
Yeah... I get why people CAN think that. The platforms in the stages they choose can really help with Dark Wizzy's (Mario's) combos.
Best mario for a reason. Defending the mushroom kingdom from bowser/jr. Kinda cool how wizzy has fought lots of mario reps this tournament.
He needs to fight more Waluigis in order to become the true Mario
@@chesslo2158 you mean pruple luigi?
@@thelordoftheweebs9501 luigi ? You mean green mario ?
@@hyderngk1056 Mario? You mean red Wario?
@@nintendo1471 Wario? You mean yellow Waluigi?
The fact that bowser jr’s toy just dies and does nothing on shield is so sad like wtf why. Before it would pop up and explode at least...
Leon did a pretty good job using Bowser Jr., but he definitely overused forward smash.
On stage he barely ever got punished for it due to how safe and fast of a move it is. Though at ledge I agree with you, Dark Wizzy started avoiding it every time Leon used FSmash to ledge trap.
He needs to jab more. He couldn't get the kill because he was using foward smash instead of something easier hit.
Agreed Jr has one of the best jabs in the game. He should have mixed that with down tilt a bit more often. Really close game though LeoN's Jr was looking really good there
@@TyphonCH I'm more than happy to see another professional smash player use Bowser Jr. even as just a secondary pick. Both Bowser and Bowser Jr. have been overlooked mostly in past Smash games, so it's nice to see both of them receiving more representation and better competitive results in Smash Ultimate.
Just Joseph Bowser’s F-Smash is not a safe move.
1:40 he really soaked up 40% right there
Wizzy: *Hops off Stage*
Me: "FORWARD AERI-"
Wizzy: *Goes back to stage*
Me: "... Awww...."
forward aeriawww
I wish Leon would've jabbed more at ledge, jab with BJR is extremely quick and a pretty deceiving kill move. Good stuff to Wizzy though.
@Aogh _ Lol, I'm not saying I know more than LeoN. I'd get bopped by him in bracket. I'm just giving some advice + pointing out a thing he could've done to potentially do better in the set. It's just one problem I noticed.
@Aogh _ Bro if a top player uses their 10nth best pocket there's no way a person who mains that character would know less than a top player and his 10nth best pocket.
@Aogh _ Also jab kills, so like your saying this stupid shit while being on the wrong.
Aogh _ shut the fuck up
typical social media idiots sitting in their dxracer chairs saying "shoulda done this". ofc he shoulda. anyone can make an observation after the situation happened
y'all are really helpless LOL
People just playing anyone this tournament
"Pick Ganondorf! He cheesed light so you can cheese anyone!"
Wdym jr is high tier
R Enlighten me. His problems with the rats and Palutena keep him away iirc
chesslo21 High tier might’ve been a little too much but his up air strings, good recovery and jab are really good, hes def better than some mid tiers imo
@@user-rx5ks9fe1w lmao no.
1:48
Mario main here. It actually does two frame but it's the saddest two frame ever because the opponent just turns around and grabs ledge, it's more of an anti scrub tactic since lower level players go above ledge way more.
If it's a two frame then the opponent has already grabbed the ledge and they will pop up right in front of Mario. You can true combo it into down smash or up smash. If it's not a two frame and hits opponents up b it's a free stock. Like what Dark Wizzy tried there. Not a scrub tactic imo.
As I see I am facing two experts at the art of Mario, as Mario main myself, do you have any advice for the character? Thanks, would help alot
Best Mario VS best Bowser. Always entertaining to watch these two players
This is quite literally the hardest bowser battle somebody has ever played with mario.
6:00
So long gay Bowser
Nigga how old are you
@@andrewchavez4609 so long gay bowser
So long gay bowser
@@andrewchavez4609 At least 6 minutes old
@@andrewchavez4609 must have never played Super Mario 64
Bowser Jr. Tips: At 65-80% you can combo a side-b hit into up-b hammer.
Don't use grab, unless you are sure you can get it since it's really not safe (lower percents falling nair can string into it)
Jab kills at the ledge around 125% and jab comes out around frame 7 (fast) + Jabbing after f-smash is a good option on ledge which can catch opponents out since f-smash has relatively low ending lag and jab comes out fast and can kill at the ledge.
Don't spam fair since it's active hitbox is deceivingly short, use nair/bairs instead since they have better frame data when landing
The movement from Leon was really good, but grabbed too much, dair does not auto-cancel like it did in smash 4 and doesn't really combo into anything at higher percents + not really safe so best not to use it often. He looked like he played it occasionally but it doesn't look like he plays Bowser Jr. as a pocket so this looked like a "ima lose, but what the heck lets bust this character out" type moment.
these "tips" are legit stupid ROFL. you dont think leon looked at bowser jrs frame data? how is saying "jab is good" gonna help literally anyone beyond a beginner level (where you're at)
@@doomeyay Yes I think leon did not look at Jr. frame data.
Yes I think people who play this game competitively do not know how to play or play against some characters.
Yes I think these tips are for people who do not play or play against the character mentioned above. I'm glad you are above these tips, but please recognize you are not the intended audience of these tips.
MVG's next video- Should Dark Wizzy main Bowser Jr. In Ultimate?
The first game was like watching hbox puff in melee camp grand finals
Dont mess with me or my dad ever again
And give me back mama peach!
'Don't talk to me or my son ever again'
Mama
I honestly think Bowser Jr. was honestly being underrated rather than being truly bad
Fr the only terrible thing he has is his recovery
@@live2die694 naw it's his stubby range I think his recovery is actually good or at least decent
@@OseiTheWarriors he definitely does not have stubby range
he's alright, but everyone in this game is at least alright :p
@Gavin Lee
Yeah smash community are sheep. Bowser Jr is a really good character. Definitely a lower high tier. He literally has no weaknesses in his game and has amazing tools
1.Idk how clowns say his recovery is bad. Hes one of the most non-gimpable dudes in the game. Plus that hammer outta UpB does waaaay more knockback than you'd think it do
2. Great projectiles. Cannonball is active for freakin ever and is a key anti-edgeguarding tool. Mecha Koopa comes in the clutch as a combo breaker, combo extender, space controller, and set up tool. The exploding clown car cant even be challenged. If he drops it on your shield you just have to hold that for like 60 frames
3. Heavy weight but amazing mobility. Dude is in the top 5 most mobile characters in the game. That alone makes him viable in a game like smash
4. Best Jab in the game by far. Its not even close
5. Insane damage output and consistent combos
Like i have no idea why people think hes a bad character. Dude has the sauce
Wizzy’s face at 10:35 after he gets hit with the bair is the best part in the whole video. “Oh we playin playin?”
7:50 Dark Wizzy said no u
This commentator’s accent is killing me xD “Gets ‘im with the drills!”
Leon said “I’m baby”
4:21 mario shoves his fist up bowsers cloaca
*Mario:* You can’t defeat me.
*Bowser:* I know, but he can.
*BOWSER JR*
Also Mario: *Wins*
Last time I saw Leon, he rocked MastaMario and Zenyou in SoCal. Dark Wizzy though, the man has gotten so good.
This just shows how great Dark Wizzy is. Leon went to Socal and embarrassed their best Mario's in winners and grand finals.
0:12 I can't help but realize how much Sakurai makes the characters to the actual game, yea its not interesting to watch the camp but if you think about it it's literally a Mario game, Mario is waiting for Bowser to approach just like in the real game where you wait for Bowser to jump while Bowser tries to attack with his fire attacks hoping Mario tries to attack.
Those Jr. ledge traps looking CLEAN
I'd forgotten how much I love bowser jr. Leon is sooooo good with him!
Me: Can Bowser ever beat Mario?
Nintendo: Nope Never
Depends on what you mean by “beat”
A few times throughout Mario games bowser has won, he did it a lot in odyssey for example, but Mario always wins the final battle
He beat Zenyou
Thanks for taking this post so seriously and ruining the joke. 😒
Zero_OR 5
Hey man, if it makes you feel better I couldn’t possibly make your joke any worse than it already was 😃
@@cag_0k642 Couldn't be worse then that name you came up with.
Bowser Jr.'s the type of character where if you don't know the matchup, they can blow you up. If you do however... weeellll...
That's for alot of match ups in this game tbh. Zelda,pacman,heck even Ike if you dun respect NAIR OF THE GODS, also Ridley's advantage state. If you dun know what hes gunna do you die at 50 sometimes....he also dies at 50 sometimes if they dun know what they are doing lol
A Bowser Main! That played Jr.! And his name starts with an L??
I already like this guy!
Lol I thought the thumbnail was a mistake at first
LeoN's Bowser Jr. is a much better secondary than his G&W.
doesn't cover as many bad matchups tho i feel
8:21 look at wizzy when Leon goes jr lmao
Damn, Dark Wizzy's Mario is solid, and so is Leon's Bowser Jr. though as a regular user of BJ myself, the lack of mechakoopa usage, let alone amazing mechakoopa capitalization like at 10:00, left me hungry.
No one mains bowser jr though
David c.
Oh ya? And no one mains any other character on the roster too? Lol why the Hell am I reading stupid comments like this?! Grow up kid....
@@YeLiRSlLiB Corrin?
@@davidc. Lol I do.
@Fwuffycodbunny Oh, you're right lol!
What if you...
Wanted to play the game...
But Mario said...
5:28
Marios carpet reversing bowsers recovery is simply unfair
Did no one notice the pure genius ow DW on the last stock of Game one
My mans just DIed into an edgecancel nair into Jab-lock F-smash
there was no edge cancel that I could see
@@JDuzzle To me it looked like a cancelled up air, If you go free by frame. Really you don't need to tech that if you act in the air before you hit the ground.
It was impressive that he knew there would be no tech from neutral and then dashed into a jablock, but I see so many pros do it almost 100% of the time.
Oof. That game 2 killed it. If that nair-bair combo woulda connected on that second stock it woulda been Leon's game
Nope, he was a stock ahead, Dark Wizzy can just continue to play defensive footsies and he will still win
That was awesome. I want to see more of the Jr.
I don’t get how wizzy can do his reverse up smash so good. Can someone explain it too me?
Fwuffycodbunny can you explain how to do it?
Fwuffycodbunny okay I will try it
Fwuffycodbunny No I think I just can’t do it quick enough
Fwuffycodbunny So now I have it down and I can almost do it consistently. When I mess up it comes out as a f-smash. Thanks for telling me how to do it.
Is bowser’s crouch specifically a M&L inside story reference? Because if it snot I have some questions.
Almost commented on the lack of masks, then noticed the upload date. Feelsbadman. Gotta miss these events.
Good set. Leon's Bowser is too passive imo. I like how wizzy uses mario's dair a lot in neutral.
So I'm kind of torn here, part of me likes seeing ppl use bowser jr and doing well with him, the other part of me wants him to stay low key
1:40 my man went from 50 to 90 real quick
Wizzy was actin gangsta till leon started playing bowser Jr
How I can do multiple up air like DW? I really try but I failed every time. I only can do that 1-2 up Air and that's all. Really apreciated help.
Gherman Do the up air, then fast fall to a platform so u get your jump back then just keep it doing it and finish it with an up B
@@chayob8914 Thanks bro
It also helps to understand how the buffer system works. It makes it really easy. The only thing that gets difficult is learning the autocancel frames to get it tight for a tournament setting but honestly ull be good in friendlys lol.
No problem dude
love watching Mario hose down that spicy turtle from afar lol
The Jr is looking nice but he needs to know proper mecha koopa setups.
Man this is such a hard matchup for Bowser. Respect to LeoN, but players played insane
1:40 fire breath does 40 percent omegalul
why does leon keep grabbing as bowser jr. he literally got no grabs at all and got punished everytime he grabs
Didn’t Leon beat Zenyou and MastaMario back to back? Dark Wizzy is a different beast though!
This is my favourite pro smash game so far
keep in mind that, before leon started popping off, bowser was just about as obscure as bowser jr
5:14 bye combo, i love forever in smash 4.
Ultimate > Sm4sh
Fwuffycodbunny You like false statements?
Fwuffycodbunny It’s far superior. 4 is really slow, and with a smaller roster. Ultimate is literally everything 4 is, but more.
Fwuffycodbunny
Just because the online isn’t as good as smash 4 dosent automatically mean smash 4 is better. The buffer system I can agree with you sucks. But sometimes it’s useful.
Gimr with the MVP thumbnail
this set was sooooo hype!!! Yassssss
I feel like ftilt is a great neutral tool from Bowser Jr.
Idk in what matchups though
I mean... am I the only one pissed off that it's Mario vs Bowser and it ISN'T on a Mario level?
Dark wizzy is a Beast and That is the Best Goddam Bowser Jr i have ever seen!!!
Is this cannon?
Something about watching Mario vs Bowser that is really hype to see.
mario could have killed bowser at 4:12 by aiming flying slam offstage, a lot of people don’t do that but whoever’s at lower percent has priority to control where it goes
Damn bowser jr is so entertaining to watch!
Seemed like they were pro Leon the whole time
Ally or Dark Wizzy?
ally bish
Ally
Just realised that leon looks like bowser😂
4:19 Mario.. that’s low.. even for you
Why are ppl saying bowser jr. is bad?
Is it me or does Leon over use Up B in a lot of his games... Like at this point it's predictable
4:21 time for a check up
Leon could have done better Game 4 if he used more Jabs in place of those F Smashes. Quicker and safer kill option.
so happy to see leon playing jr
2:21 this is why I like melee. If you know you know
For Leon to win one game again THIS Mario... The best in the world...
He dill well!
*F*
Has this mario guy tried joystick down + b?
You haven't watched enough Dark Wizzy if you're asking this question
Leon’s Jr is good but he really needs to use Jr’s tools better for stage control.. not a pro myself or anything but watching this vs the Ketchup v HBox game, Leon just does not have the stage presence Jr can have
I'm watching this to revise how to use my main (mario) amazingly
Much respect for the Baby Bowser
Leon's Bowser didn't look as good as usual for some reason. This is the guy that has beaten Nairo, Marss, Light, Dabuz, and Cosmos.
i mean he has beaten cosmos bad one time, but after that he got destroyed by cosmos repeatedly because he got figured out. dark wizzy wasn't playing into his bait and punish game instead he chose to play the same game and it nullified leons game. this is why he didn't look as good. if you don't play aggressive and let bowser make the first move you can really punish him with a good combo game like mario's . leon became impatient however he still made close games. Leon actually played awesome this whole set with bowser but wizzy played like a god here.
Or maybe Dark Wizzy played the right way against him, it’s not like he isn’t a top 10-15 level player
Leon was playing a character that’s probably one of Bowser’s worst matchups. Not only that, Wizzy knows the matchup pretty damn well.
ok, now this is epic
0:37 running around in neutral ends
10:09 nice
Bowser can die real early if your playing Ganondorf or hero
Wizzy overreacts every time a single stock is taken from him. You are not a God dude, you wont go very many sets with all three of your sparkling stocks against all these pros. Goh
Love this southern accent. Mario bair is such a fuckin cheat code. Nonetheless great games to both of em. Promising players
best mario vs best bowser this is so fuckin anime
AND THEN HIS SON STANDS UP TO AVENGE HIS FATHER
Didn't know he also plays bowser jr
Anyone loves this kind of fights
A same game series fighting
Wendy koopa is who I always choose if I'm going to use one of the juniors ✌
Roy Koopa master race
Jr has top tier potential
why does this have so many views ?!!
Yeah that cart is heavy bowser jr's not going to die right now. Leon process to die
people need to stop complaining about leons bowser jr play... hes still learning the character. all I see is I wish he did more down tilts , I wish he up b'd to get out of combos blah blah blah he took a game off wizzy the best mario with JR , more then what anyone complaining could do. yall would get three stocked hard. give leon a few months and he will likely have a better Bowser Jr than Ketchup. Leon created the meta for Bowser players, and im sure he will do the same for Bowser Jr players. chill dudes you can't expect someone to know all the best options when they've put so much time into one character and then start playing a totally different one
Leon’s bowser jr kinda moving tho