A reason I like this channel is because you focus on how you'd practically use each product, so I'm happy with videos like these that discuss how you use things behind the scenes
@@mirrorlessny yes absolutely. I know Jordan gripes about having to do it but especially when I was getting started it was so informative to have that information with each shot.
Great point at 10:00. We're filming a race in Eastern Africa in a couple weeks and for that we're just bringing along a pair of GH5 MK2's for photo and video.
Great Video. With regards to the Olympus, I think Jordan makes such a great point. I work in a breaking news/journalism capacity for a national network, and I've used Olympus E-M1 Mk. II for many years for fast-paced coverage. Always using the EVF mostly because people won't talk to us haha! Also, it gives you another point of contact so it makes it more stable. Lastly, for all you m4/3 critics out there, yes, Olympus footage is regularly used on National Networks in Canada/US.
IBIS is such a great invention! And yes, when it comes to outdoor shooting, MFT is such an amazing system. Smaller, lighter, cheaper wins the race when you're in a tough environment - and even just a casual ramble can become one easily, if you make a wrong step.
Please shoot more of your videos on the Olympus E-M1 series, and please let us know your secret sauce for the picture profiles. That preview of the Leica M11 shot in NYC looked great.
One item here that was NOT mentioned is the power zoom on the consumer and prosumer camcorders. For what I am looking at doing, it is essential to have a power zoom lens. It is also essential to have the ability to change out batteries, or change the battery type. Camcorders allow this and they are not prone to overheating. For the short clips that you guys do, this is not a problem. Also it never gets really hot in Canada either. Try Arizona or New Mexico in 115 degrees Fahrenheit in the daylight and a 30 minute clip. Finally, I have seen mirrorless cameras that are just as caged up with accessories as any cinema camera. Oh, you did miss the point that given a large sensor camera, the mirrorless hybrid cameras aew a LOT less expensive. A good 1 inch sensor camcorder is 2 grand at least. In conclusion, it all depends on what the task at hand is as to what equipment you use. If you don't believe that, try woodturning on a lathe.
with all the accessories and lenses that you have to buy for the mirrorless camera, it will be much more expensive than simply buying a Camcorder. A telephoto lens alone would cost you as much as a camcorder.
I'm not even into Video and you were constricted by Covid but even still you managed to produce a video that was very worth watching and very informative and understandable. Hats off!
I recently sold off my blackmagic for very similar reasons. While the iq was difficult to beat the ergonomics and rigging required kinda took the joy out of shooting. Switched to a "hybrid" mirrorless and have been enjoying shooting a lot more. Another point as well, and I think an important one is the workflow with cinema cameras is often a lot more involved than I'd like it to be. Working with massive raw files actually sucks, especially when the end result is going up on UA-cam anyway.
With the latest firmware updates the Panasonic G9 is a very capable hybrid camera. I use one for wildlife stills and a little video and another in a cage with a smallrig follow focus for environmental scenery video. Love it
I really enjoyed hearing the day-to-day reasons for the use of mirrorless cameras for cinema. I have no video experience so this content was very interesting and instructinal. Thanks, guys.
I shot a feature film with the GH5. Because of its low profile, it was very easy to shoot much of the film gorilla style. Avoiding the need for permits because of it. Now, I have the Sony A7iv and I'm confident in being able to shoot another feature film with this as well. The low profile of mirrorless cameras is one of their strongest selling points.
sorry for the nitpick but both of you mean guerilla-style. Body only I agree, you can fly under the radar. But fully rigged out with cage, external screen, v-mount battery and matte-box there's not too much difference to a cinema cam size wise.
Another reason for me sticking with mirrorless in addition to the points here, is that I don't really feel like I'm missing much of anything in the video quality department anymore. My Panasonic S5 with 4k 10bit recording really never disappoints me with its quality even after heavy color grading. A cinema camera would be more expensive and complicated, and wouldn't really make a substantial-quality improvement either.
@KitJames I’ve never edited all I so I can’t say. The s5 footage edits pretty smoothly on da Vinci resolve if I set the timeline setting to 1080 and switch back to 4K when I actually export. My machine specs can be found in a video on my channel.
The newer model GoPro’s have perfected the smooth handheld shot. I was so impressed I shot a feature film with the Hero 9 black and it’s won 3 best comedy film festivals and accepted into 6 different festivals.
Thanks for this cogent interview detailing real-world experiences! It was entertaining and enlightening. Even separated you two make a good team. DPReview did a smart thing in hiring you.
Each episode is so full of positive and useful information, Chris and Jordan are like you favourite physics teacher in high school, you always wait for a new episode!
When I planned my academic department's equipment purchase in 2019-2020, I used the same rubrics that Jordan and Drake had for choosing mirrorless. Additionally since the cameras and accessories were to be used by students, it was important as well for the device to have an easy learning curve to use but provide great results for them to use for both stills and video; basically give them confidence to produce their content. Plus as a government institution we are definitely limited on funds. So anyway I ended up choosing the Fujifilm XT-30 and a ton of lenses (21mm, 35mm, and the default 16-50 zoom), which has so far helped up produce great content for the university.
why should he mind? in the video even a 1" sensor is huge, and good stabilization is much more important than such a secondary parameter as DOF. I would use MFT gear too.
In terms of audio, the Rode Wireless 2 is phenomenal, I use it both with lavs but also with shotgun mics and with the on-board high quality recording, it really simplifies capturing high quality audio without relying on cables or dealing with potential wireless signal drop outs.
I'm not a video guy at all but I still adore the video chops many of the modern hybrid cameras have. It's nice to know that my stupid 10 second clips of nothing in particular are still going to look good.
Makes sense to me. Canada can get pretty cold, and mechanical stuff has a habit of just snapping off. Besides the slight advantage in dynamic range, and a few codecs, you really don't sacrifice much. Great video guys ❤️
This is a great video, an example of why I love your content. Today's camera coverage is so skewed toward specs and sensor size, the forums are overflowing with people with too much time and money who buy tens of thousands of dollars in expensive gear to shoot brick walls... And here you still talk about choosing the right system for the job, how sometimes micro four thirds is best and sometimes a Red dsmc is the thing to get. Please keep doing this excellent work ❤️
Because you shoot at highly controlled environment at highly predetermined script. For many scenarios camcorders are the only way. Especially if task is to get video of far away subjects. I broke so many cameras and not one of camcorders. Ability to hold camcorder with one hand is priceless. Camcorder for video all the way.
I have had people come up to me in the past when I was shooting video and one or two people thinking I was shooting video for the news, especially when I was using a tripod so I totally get it. For the audio point, cinema cameras don't usually have good audio as you would normally have the audio recorded externally onto dedicated audio recorders, and really reguardless of what camera you use and what audio attachment you plug into the camera, you should really record audio to an external audio recorder for best quality, not through a camera. Reguarding durability, while I have never used a cinema camera, the one and only time I dropped any camera was my Panasonic GH4. When that happened it made a crack from the lens mount and along the body and it didn't even fall that far just onto concrete ground so I can't speak for durability unless cameras have been improved since then but I have no plans to find that out for myself. Two days ago, I dropped one of my lenses (Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO) when attaching it to my Panasonic GH5, but luckily it was totally fine, it just ended up with some dirt on it.
I agree with your assessment of mirrorless cameras. Shooters often long for what they don't have, only to realize what they have is sometimes the more appropriate solution. I appreciate the convenience of my EVA1 camera (built-in ND filters and XLR inputs), but the portability of my mirror less cameras (GH5 and S1H) often win out. It usually comes down to what kind of shoot situation I'm faced with, but in many cases I can get the results I need with mirrorless cameras. The distinct benefit of mirrorless in tight spaces, shooting in public, and flying on gimbals is pretty obvious. Years ago, a client would cringe if you brought anything "less" than a bulky cinema camera on set, but that is much less the case now. Options are good!
After finishing a film Diploma I was one of the very few people to go down the Hybrid Mirrorless path. Most of the students went out and bought BMPCC4K, 6K and 6K Pro's because they thought having a 'cinema' camera would magically give them the better footage. I went and bought a Panasonic GH5 and S1 and it was the best investment. Having gear that is this versatile means I can generally capture MORE. I'm able to do Run N' Gun filming much easier and also do photography if wanted too. Yes RAW video formats is nice, but it is not needed in most scenarios. Heck, if I really wanted to I could buy a Ninja V for the S1 and output 5.9K 12bit ProRes Raw WITH IBIS and in full frame glory. (Regarding durability, an imbecile in the Diploma dropped one of the campus' Blackmagic URSA 12K Pro cameras and in turn destroyed it.. so there's that)
The two reasons I would shoot video on a video camera is 1, much better image stabilization a must if you zoom in a long way to the subject and 2, a much smoother zoom control. I do however agree that a camera can do a much better job if your not changing the zoom and have the equipment that stabilizes everything . Video cameras also cost much less when you factor you get the lens included as well as in my case on the Panasonic HXC2000 all the microphone inputs. Great video
Jordan's point about the importance of having an EVF is so true. I love shooting from the EVF with my S1. I just wish the camera companies would be brave and start adding tilt functionality to their hybrid/mirrorless EVFs, like most handycam-styoe video cameras have. I find looking down into a tilting EVF with my elbows tucked in against my body is super stable.
Having a small mirrorless camera where you can snap a great photo or shoot high quality video is a god-sent. I used to shoot 16 mm film back in the day🤦♂️ Great video . Stay safe Chris. Another big thumbs up for the Fun camera dynamic Duo👍
Everybody is different. For me it was a lot of times about runtime. I want to be able to record long clips without running out of storage, battery, or time limit, or having a camera overheating issues. Previous only video cameras could achieve that. But now with new EU regulations, USB-C and better thermal management (depending on brand lol)I can have that in a hybrid body.
I'll be picking up my new Sony ZV-1 tomorrow. I plan to use it for some, but not all of my videography projects. It's light, compact, fits on a gimbal, and produces decent video that will easily outclass the video that any smartphone can render. Plus, I can stick it in a pocket and take it with me pretty much anywhere I go. For any really serious videography where I need a lens with a greater range of focal lengths, I'll use my Sony a6600, although I don't think it's likely I'll have many such advanced projects.
Hmm. I have an extensive Fujifilm X system, including an X-T4 and an X100V. I love them, but I chose to invest in a Canon XF605, which I absolutely love. It has great IBIS, ND filters, a 15x Canon L series zoom and unlimited recording time. It also has a. Monster battery (I bought an A60 Canon battery, and have the camera on uninterrupted for 4+ hrs). I can access important things without needing to menu dive, such as zebras, or scopes, or AF, or auto iris etc. It can also record 4 channel audio without attachments (2x XLRs + 2x via 3.5mm), which I have used to record both stereo atoms + a shotgun. It is great that as long as I have a charged batter and memory cards loaded, I can just grab the XF605 without needing to accessorise it and be ready to shoot in 10 secs flat.
Yes, that's all true, the advantages of video cameras (real video cameras, not semi-photographic crap like the C70) are huge, but it's useless to tell them, they don't understand shooting.
Great points of view guys. I used to use a Canon video camera with a shotgun microphone & 7" monitor attached for filming wildlife and people used to think I was from the BBC News! I think a good mirrorless camera with a decent EVF is great for filming most things nowadays. The only niggles that some cameras have is focus-breathing, jerky movements when zooming, poorer access to batteries/memory cards when hot-swapping and the lack of built-in ND filters.
Eh, you gotta use the right tool for the right job. For me, I couldn't live without my 1" camcorder with the 20x zoom lens (try to find an affordable 20x cinema or even mirrorless lens - or try to find any 20x full frame at all, affordable or not!). I've had projects where I've had to show everything from helicopter rescue training exercises to construction sites where I had to be some distance away, and I love that I can go super-wide or super-tight in an instant without having to change lenses - and to do so slowly and gracefully within the shot if it calls for it, thanks to servo zoom. And I can do it all within a self-contained 5-pound package without a lot of cables, gears, and rigouts, and very affordably. And a 1" sensor is a good compromise where you can get some decent bokeh, even if it's not Hollywood-creamy smooth. I just feel there's SO much attention on mirrorless cameras these days that the 1" camcorder hardly gets any love anymore. Oh yeah, and I can have more than one shoe mount (unlike mirrorless with even an XLR adapter on top, which often has only one mount), so I can mount a wireless mic receiver AND an on-camera LED light if I need it in darker places. The viewfinder is also rotatable if I need adjustment, although I wish they'd also make it where you could rotate it DOWN to see well for high-angle shots (the ol' bulky shoulder-mount ENG cameras let you have almost 180 degrees of rotation for the viewfinder).
I've had my X-T4 out in a literal blizzard and it took it all in its stride and still works like a champ. If I was still using a Sony Cinema camera I wouldn't have even been able to take it out of the bag. The shots speak for themselves! In a studio environment obviously I'd prefer the Sony, but most of what I do is out in the 'real world', so the Fuji does all of that as well as being just fine in a studio too!
Great video guys. Always get a giggle at you two. Wouldn’t it be nice if Olympus made an OM-D 1X mark 2 with better IQ. Almost indestructible that camera.
Mirrorless cameras absolutely have made their place in photography and videography. Thanks for the video, we all know these cameras don't nee to justify themselves for any purpose folks put them to.
You'd never convince us to cast aside our camcorders. Canon has a serious line of videography equipment that rivals their own mirrorless and DSLR offerings. Additionally, a minority of those who use mirrorless make films while the numbers rise for those who use dedicated videography equipment for cinematography. While the sensors in DSLRs and mirrorless are larger than video cameras the former has issues with overheating. The larger the sensor the more power it consumes and the hotter it gets. There were lots of complaints of DSLRs overheating and shutting down. Its not likely that the users read the owners manual to see how long they should record. My Samsung S8 phone will record up to 5 minutes before it starts to heat up. These devices were made for social media where videos of 5 minutes or less are posted. If you want to record longer than 5 minutes then get dedicated video equipment. Did Rembrandt use a paint by numbers set to create his masterpiece...when creating yours you shouldn't ether. EOS C300 MkIII, EOS C500 MkII, EOS C200 and EOS C200B for starters...
This is an excellent video and explains why smaller filmmakers like myself are happy with the S1H and yes, even the Canon R5. Decent IBIS is a lifesaver. When I heard about the R5C and before I learned it lacked IBIS, I thought this was going to be the camera for me. It would allow me to sell my S1H and R5, and give me the true hybrid experience. Unfortunately, Canon removed IBIS from the R5C and I truly believe they did it to keep the R5 viable. Before someone comes in and tell me why Canon did it (for example, I understand it is hard to cool a sensor when it is moving - but Panasonic was able to do it with the S1H and keep IBIS).
Shortage of electric power. Presently, U can't AF w telephoto lens in video mode or U need additional battery grip or power supplier. They simply didn't have enough power to run IBIS all the time with the present setup.
Thanks. Very informative. I must say that while I rarely shoot video, it's nice to know that I can switch from still to video and back again on my Z6ii with just a flick of my thumb.
thank u for this vid. its been useful. one thing i'de be happy if ud get into, as u have briefly mentioned it: can u do a cold test for cameras? i live in a hot climate, yet in winter the desert can be extremely cold. went in minus 2 Celsius to shoot the sunrise, and my d850 did not function properly. maybe it had something to do with the back screen starting to freeze. so, for the sake of those a bit of snow is an attraction for, would be happy to know how a frozen, yet dry, environment effect my gear and what to do- apart from warming it. (i ended up replacing my battery with a fresh and warmed one, and rapping the gear with my neck warmer).
Being focally challenged since I was 10 years old, I was already struggling to focus accurately until Canon brought out the EOS cameras . Fast forward to today with the insanely good good job that my R5 can do for video and stills , I can get sharp focusing . Like Jordan , I do use the flip out screen to set the screen and then try as best I can to use the EVF for landscapes , but my eyesight isn’t fast enough for anything past slow-moving subjects . Again , just a solid video from you guys - well done as usual and very useful. Sadly , this will get a fraction of the viewers of Bambi’s latest tik Tok video, but at least those who watch your videos are feeding our brains 🧠 with substance :)
Back in 2017, I bought into the "real video is done with a video camera" idea and purchased a DVX200 to get the XLR ports, build-in NDs, 13x optical zoom lens, rocker zoom control, abundant control buttons, and a form factor that seemed to be more stable for handheld shooting, all without having to attach a cage and build up a franken-rig around a mirrorless camera. (At the time, I did consider the GH4, but decided against it. Now I wish I had gone that direction.) The main thing I didn't like about the DVX200 was it's size. Much bigger and heavier than I wanted, although much smaller and lighter than other choices. In using the DVX200, it didn't take long to get frustrated by the poor AF performance and inaccurate colors, but I did learn to appreciate the M4/3 capabilities with lower light and DoF. Not perfect, but not bad either. Last year, I purchased the GH5M2 and absolutely love it. Better AF than the Nikon D800 it replaced, and the best colors I've yet seen in any digital camera. From here on out, it's mirrorless all the way for me. Still need to learn how to get smooth zooms, but I'm sure that will come with practice.
I also bought a DVX200 and ended up buying a £750 tripod to hold it steady as the IS on 4K is rubbish. (I'm talking about windy days on a tripod - it's awful handheld!) Thing is, I rarely use it, as what I film generally takes a few miles of hiking and that combo is just too damn heavy! I'm preparing to lose some ££ to trade it in for a mirrorless to go beside my DJI Pocket and Mini 2...much more civilised!
I have had the opposite experience, I have a gh3/4 and spent far too much time fiddling and rigging it into a 'fraken-rig', dealing with broken pieces, cables or fiddly adapters/cables/dangling, dragging around a ton of extra 'equipment' in bags (and the checklist of 'did I remember to do this'); the limitations especially for live shoots were apparent. I can see a hybrid useful for blogs or stationary shots, but if you are doing any sort of moving around or need to setup quickly it just isn't the right tool. I have no focus issues with my cx350, but Panasonic in general has had some focus issues across all their cameras for a timeframe. All Panasonics tend to have a yellowish tone to it, but that is just their style (colour science.)
@@multeemedia The DVX200 had a lot of yellow in the skin tones as well. Eventually created a plugin chain that would take care of it. The GH5M2 hasn't had this issue. In fact, it's the first camera where I feel comfortable leaving it on auto-WB. Of course, the type of work you do and the number of accessories you use will make either a dedicated video camera or hybrid camera a better fit.
Jordan wasn't using his S1H for this, eh? Judging by that nailed AF at 9:16 . But yeah, I dropped my lowly G90 on concrete where it rolled twice. And besides scraped corners, nothing happened to it or to the lens. I don't think all brands make them this durable though.
Great real life points about finding the sweet spot between features / quality and being too conspicuous / not mobile enough. Would love to see similar discussions for photography for use-value outside of pure features. Like IBIS for portable video and sound accessories, there are a lot of scenarios to discuss in photography, such as: leaf shutter compact cameras for being able to bring a smaller flash (like a TT350 or a budget manual flash), smart adapters to gain access to cheap replacements for damaged or lost lenses while traveling, ultrazooms vs primes / pancakes for packing light. There are so many decisions to make when deciding on the best gear for the job, would love to see more than the usual reach for highest quality and "moar bokeh". Come to think of it, would definitely love to see more outdoor flash photography on this channel!
if I may chip in = depends on needs, like internal ND, multiple xlr inputs, lots of quick to access controls, specific capabilities like super slow motion, some ppl prefer more camera gear to impress clients
Timely. I was watching some old free movies in UA-cam in our country and I find that most of them are shot with still cameras, probably some of the older ones are 5D's. I also recall some comments a few years ago that they started shooting with smartphones because it is best in public
Great insight! I found that there is so much more to consider when looking at cameras mainly for video than there is when looking at cameras mainly for photos. I know it also comes down to the individual's/business/work requirements, but there is still so much to look at! Honestly I find it a bit overwhelming at times since that's how far technology and availability has come. At least when I finally have the budget to go and buy a camera for video I will be very well informed when I need to make my decision! Thanks a lot for posting.
As a travel guy, IS aka Image stabilization is a must for me when it come to buy a Camera right now, I love IS in my R6 thou, super steady and super stable
I have been using Mirrorless cameras for the past few years, GH4 & GH5, but still find cameras such as the Sony FDR-AX100 & AX53 a better option for video capture. Previously I had been shooting with an Sony EX3 and Canon F305 and other mini DV cassette format video cameras. The Sony AX53 has fantastic image stabilisation but limited manual control. Most Mirrorless cameras lack built in ND control and audio requires extra XLR attachments etc.
@13:42 Bob Richardson (an idol of mine ) always hammers in this point--- If you're on an EVF your whole world is just black and all you have to see is the frame... that window into your moving painting...it forces you to be focused on the scene and what you are doing as well... it will make you a better shooter or at least a more careful and attentive one - (these are my words not Bob)- tbc IM paraphrasing
I don't understand why Z9 hand held clip looking good in this video. but some of the other photographers put a video showing image stabilization working there is a strange frame shift movement.
@@mavfan1 i am sure he also noticed strange frame shift in some situations. because i am noticed in few clips where frame stay static as its on tripod then its slightly shift.
You addressed why you prefer to use hybrid cameras over cinema cameras but didn't talk about camcorders at all. Would something like the Canon XA70 be useful in your work?
I came to this video with ambitions to flame, but these were all solid arguments. I've been fantasizing about getting the DJI 4D but I've never really considered what would happen if I were to drop it. I once knocked over a mirrorless on a tripod onto concrete, and all that happened was the lens-hood snapped, that was it.
I couldn't agree more with Jordan on the advantages of, and preference for, certain video-helpful features that are common on mirrorless cameras. EVFs are a must for me -- I don't know how people shoot video confidently without them. Also, I agree that the look of good IBIS is noticeably better than lens-only or even digital-crop stabilization. I also like using the whole sensor, so cropping irks me. Some mirrorless cinema-focused cameras (Like the R5 C) would be high on my list of considerations to buy, but their removal of IBIS makes many other options more appealing. They need to figure out a way to lock the sensor in-place so we can get the best of both worlds whether we're using gimbals or hand-holding.
For many of your viewers it also shows the standard of video from a mirrorless camera & what can be achieved, because many of us couldn't afford a dedicated video camera anyway.
i just wish Panasonic would make a long range zoom, mega range 24-400 with power zoom built in to the lens and built in nd filters for the s1H . When I shoot video I hate hate hate only having manual zooming, So that is why I have an HC x2000 for video and S1R for photos.
Nice to hear a bit about stabalisation. The clip you showed from the Z9 actually looked ok considering you were walking. I've heard the Z9 stabalisation is quite good.
Looking forward to what you say when you review the OM-1. Chris, Olympus cameras have always been forgiving whenever it comes to accidents. I had an issue a few years ago and the new, but not up to standard, OEM1Mk11 gave all it left to give until I arrived home and sent it off to Olympus Hospital.
... and, we the audience want to see the production capabilities made on a camera we can afford and may be thinking of purchasing & using ourselves. That's is what DPReview is for.
A reason I like this channel is because you focus on how you'd practically use each product, so I'm happy with videos like these that discuss how you use things behind the scenes
I second this, they also often mention specific settings 🙏which is super important if someone wants to replicate specific look or effect
@@mirrorlessny yes absolutely. I know Jordan gripes about having to do it but especially when I was getting started it was so informative to have that information with each shot.
Its not because of the channel its because of just Jordan's & Chris' intellect.
Great point at 10:00. We're filming a race in Eastern Africa in a couple weeks and for that we're just bringing along a pair of GH5 MK2's for photo and video.
Looking fwd to that video on your channel!
Great Video. With regards to the Olympus, I think Jordan makes such a great point. I work in a breaking news/journalism capacity for a national network, and I've used Olympus E-M1 Mk. II for many years for fast-paced coverage. Always using the EVF mostly because people won't talk to us haha! Also, it gives you another point of contact so it makes it more stable. Lastly, for all you m4/3 critics out there, yes, Olympus footage is regularly used on National Networks in Canada/US.
Great news from a proud owner of a Olympus E-M1 Mk. II !
IBIS is such a great invention! And yes, when it comes to outdoor shooting, MFT is such an amazing system. Smaller, lighter, cheaper wins the race when you're in a tough environment - and even just a casual ramble can become one easily, if you make a wrong step.
As someone who almost never shoots any video, this was genuinely interesting. Also, I very much liked the Olympus footage from the Leica shoot :)
Please shoot more of your videos on the Olympus E-M1 series, and please let us know your secret sauce for the picture profiles. That preview of the Leica M11 shot in NYC looked great.
Absolutely agree and love how my G9 works for both!
One item here that was NOT mentioned is the power zoom on the consumer and prosumer camcorders. For what I am looking at doing, it is essential to have a power zoom lens. It is also essential to have the ability to change out batteries, or change the battery type. Camcorders allow this and they are not prone to overheating. For the short clips that you guys do, this is not a problem. Also it never gets really hot in Canada either. Try Arizona or New Mexico in 115 degrees Fahrenheit in the daylight and a 30 minute clip. Finally, I have seen mirrorless cameras that are just as caged up with accessories as any cinema camera. Oh, you did miss the point that given a large sensor camera, the mirrorless hybrid cameras aew a LOT less expensive. A good 1 inch sensor camcorder is 2 grand at least. In conclusion, it all depends on what the task at hand is as to what equipment you use. If you don't believe that, try woodturning on a lathe.
Correct. I live stream airplanes and the power zoom is absolutely required. I have a Panasonic X1500.
with all the accessories and lenses that you have to buy for the mirrorless camera, it will be much more expensive than simply buying a Camcorder. A telephoto lens alone would cost you as much as a camcorder.
I'm not even into Video and you were constricted by Covid but even still you managed to produce a video that was very worth watching and very informative and understandable. Hats off!
I recently sold off my blackmagic for very similar reasons. While the iq was difficult to beat the ergonomics and rigging required kinda took the joy out of shooting. Switched to a "hybrid" mirrorless and have been enjoying shooting a lot more.
Another point as well, and I think an important one is the workflow with cinema cameras is often a lot more involved than I'd like it to be. Working with massive raw files actually sucks, especially when the end result is going up on UA-cam anyway.
I'm a big fan of mirrorless cameras (especially micro 4/3). I've gotten great still images and videos from my Panasonic and Olympus cameras.
That Leica episode looked fantastic. e-m1x performed great. But also kudos to Jordan for obviously having the know how.
With the latest firmware updates the Panasonic G9 is a very capable hybrid camera. I use one for wildlife stills and a little video and another in a cage with a smallrig follow focus for environmental scenery video. Love it
I really enjoyed hearing the day-to-day reasons for the use of mirrorless cameras for cinema. I have no video experience so this content was very interesting and instructinal. Thanks, guys.
I shot a feature film with the GH5. Because of its low profile, it was very easy to shoot much of the film gorilla style. Avoiding the need for permits because of it. Now, I have the Sony A7iv and I'm confident in being able to shoot another feature film with this as well. The low profile of mirrorless cameras is one of their strongest selling points.
YES good point about gorilla style, compact gear helps with easier portability/handheld/run&gun/dynamic style of videography
sorry for the nitpick but both of you mean guerilla-style. Body only I agree, you can fly under the radar. But fully rigged out with cage, external screen, v-mount battery and matte-box there's not too much difference to a cinema cam size wise.
@@MichaelKefeder I, too, LOVE shooting gorilla style, if you know what I mean XD
@@MichaelKefeder I suppose muscling a big enough cine rig would be "gorilla" style shooting . . .
Another reason for me sticking with mirrorless in addition to the points here, is that I don't really feel like I'm missing much of anything in the video quality department anymore. My Panasonic S5 with 4k 10bit recording really never disappoints me with its quality even after heavy color grading. A cinema camera would be more expensive and complicated, and wouldn't really make a substantial-quality improvement either.
@KitJames The s5 only has long gop
@KitJames I’ve never edited all I so I can’t say. The s5 footage edits pretty smoothly on da Vinci resolve if I set the timeline setting to 1080 and switch back to 4K when I actually export. My machine specs can be found in a video on my channel.
@KitJames Thanks! I believe the long gop but rate on the Gh5 in 10 bit is the same as the s5 so it should give you a good idea.
The newer model GoPro’s have perfected the smooth handheld shot. I was so impressed I shot a feature film with the Hero 9 black and it’s won 3 best comedy film festivals and accepted into 6 different festivals.
Thanks for this cogent interview detailing real-world experiences! It was entertaining and enlightening. Even separated you two make a good team. DPReview did a smart thing in hiring you.
Each episode is so full of positive and useful information, Chris and Jordan are like you favourite physics teacher in high school, you always wait for a new episode!
When I planned my academic department's equipment purchase in 2019-2020, I used the same rubrics that Jordan and Drake had for choosing mirrorless. Additionally since the cameras and accessories were to be used by students, it was important as well for the device to have an easy learning curve to use but provide great results for them to use for both stills and video; basically give them confidence to produce their content. Plus as a government institution we are definitely limited on funds. So anyway I ended up choosing the Fujifilm XT-30 and a ton of lenses (21mm, 35mm, and the default 16-50 zoom), which has so far helped up produce great content for the university.
I'm looking forward to the companion video where you compare and contrast cine lenses vs photo lenses for mirrorless/full frame cameras.
Love how Jordan doesn't mind micro four thirds for video, you guys should do an episode on that
why should he mind? in the video even a 1" sensor is huge, and good stabilization is much more important than such a secondary parameter as DOF. I would use MFT gear too.
definitely!! do it, Jordan / Chris!!!
Jordan with GH5 and anamorphic lens is just....😌👌
great idea, go in-depth about sensor size pros/cons for both photo & video 📷🎥maybe even include cellphnes/gopro
Great episode, gents. Very interesting to hear this explanation.
As an Olympus shooter, you guys praising some M43 cameras makes my heart melt
True professionals. Great insight. So appreciated.
In terms of audio, the Rode Wireless 2 is phenomenal, I use it both with lavs but also with shotgun mics and with the on-board high quality recording, it really simplifies capturing high quality audio without relying on cables or dealing with potential wireless signal drop outs.
I'm not a video guy at all but I still adore the video chops many of the modern hybrid cameras have. It's nice to know that my stupid 10 second clips of nothing in particular are still going to look good.
did you just tease the GH6 there at the end? (GH4 user very interested in upgrading)
Makes sense to me. Canada can get pretty cold, and mechanical stuff has a habit of just snapping off. Besides the slight advantage in dynamic range, and a few codecs, you really don't sacrifice much. Great video guys ❤️
This is a great video, an example of why I love your content. Today's camera coverage is so skewed toward specs and sensor size, the forums are overflowing with people with too much time and money who buy tens of thousands of dollars in expensive gear to shoot brick walls... And here you still talk about choosing the right system for the job, how sometimes micro four thirds is best and sometimes a Red dsmc is the thing to get. Please keep doing this excellent work ❤️
Wow, this video was much more interesting than I had anticipated :D
Because you shoot at highly controlled environment at highly predetermined script. For many scenarios camcorders are the only way. Especially if task is to get video of far away subjects. I broke so many cameras and not one of camcorders. Ability to hold camcorder with one hand is priceless. Camcorder for video all the way.
"For the kind of work we do..." is a must use sentence for ending coversation with a stranger fanboy on the street.
I like the fact that you two guys always work together well.
There is no real rivalry.
Its a great partnership
Thanks
I have had people come up to me in the past when I was shooting video and one or two people thinking I was shooting video for the news, especially when I was using a tripod so I totally get it. For the audio point, cinema cameras don't usually have good audio as you would normally have the audio recorded externally onto dedicated audio recorders, and really reguardless of what camera you use and what audio attachment you plug into the camera, you should really record audio to an external audio recorder for best quality, not through a camera.
Reguarding durability, while I have never used a cinema camera, the one and only time I dropped any camera was my Panasonic GH4. When that happened it made a crack from the lens mount and along the body and it didn't even fall that far just onto concrete ground so I can't speak for durability unless cameras have been improved since then but I have no plans to find that out for myself. Two days ago, I dropped one of my lenses (Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO) when attaching it to my Panasonic GH5, but luckily it was totally fine, it just ended up with some dirt on it.
I agree with your assessment of mirrorless cameras. Shooters often long for what they don't have, only to realize what they have is sometimes the more appropriate solution. I appreciate the convenience of my EVA1 camera (built-in ND filters and XLR inputs), but the portability of my mirror less cameras (GH5 and S1H) often win out. It usually comes down to what kind of shoot situation I'm faced with, but in many cases I can get the results I need with mirrorless cameras. The distinct benefit of mirrorless in tight spaces, shooting in public, and flying on gimbals is pretty obvious. Years ago, a client would cringe if you brought anything "less" than a bulky cinema camera on set, but that is much less the case now. Options are good!
I always appreciate finding out how you guys make things. Stay healthy!
Guys, I'm only half way thru. GREAT video. LOTS of info. No pauses!.
After finishing a film Diploma I was one of the very few people to go down the Hybrid Mirrorless path. Most of the students went out and bought BMPCC4K, 6K and 6K Pro's because they thought having a 'cinema' camera would magically give them the better footage.
I went and bought a Panasonic GH5 and S1 and it was the best investment. Having gear that is this versatile means I can generally capture MORE.
I'm able to do Run N' Gun filming much easier and also do photography if wanted too. Yes RAW video formats is nice, but it is not needed in most scenarios.
Heck, if I really wanted to I could buy a Ninja V for the S1 and output 5.9K 12bit ProRes Raw WITH IBIS and in full frame glory.
(Regarding durability, an imbecile in the Diploma dropped one of the campus' Blackmagic URSA 12K Pro cameras and in turn destroyed it.. so there's that)
The two reasons I would shoot video on a video camera is 1, much better image stabilization a must if you zoom in a long way to the subject and 2, a much smoother zoom control. I do however agree that a camera can do a much better job if your not changing the zoom and have the equipment that stabilizes everything . Video cameras also cost much less when you factor you get the lens included as well as in my case on the Panasonic HXC2000 all the microphone inputs. Great video
Fantastic reasons! Thank you!
Jordan's point about the importance of having an EVF is so true. I love shooting from the EVF with my S1. I just wish the camera companies would be brave and start adding tilt functionality to their hybrid/mirrorless EVFs, like most handycam-styoe video cameras have. I find looking down into a tilting EVF with my elbows tucked in against my body is super stable.
Fascinating to see behind the choices you guys make for the work that you do! Thanks for the great video!
Having a small mirrorless camera where you can snap a great photo or shoot high quality video is a god-sent. I used to shoot 16 mm film back in the day🤦♂️
Great video .
Stay safe Chris.
Another big thumbs up for the Fun camera dynamic Duo👍
agree portability is very important factor, it's amazing to see cameras like full frame Sony a7C which is the size/weight of apsc a6600 😵 & has ibis
These guys are gems of photography world.
Everybody is different. For me it was a lot of times about runtime. I want to be able to record long clips without running out of storage, battery, or time limit, or having a camera overheating issues. Previous only video cameras could achieve that. But now with new EU regulations, USB-C and better thermal management (depending on brand lol)I can have that in a hybrid body.
I'll be picking up my new Sony ZV-1 tomorrow. I plan to use it for some, but not all of my videography projects. It's light, compact, fits on a gimbal, and produces decent video that will easily outclass the video that any smartphone can render. Plus, I can stick it in a pocket and take it with me pretty much anywhere I go.
For any really serious videography where I need a lens with a greater range of focal lengths, I'll use my Sony a6600, although I don't think it's likely I'll have many such advanced projects.
Hmm. I have an extensive Fujifilm X system, including an X-T4 and an X100V. I love them, but I chose to invest in a Canon XF605, which I absolutely love. It has great IBIS, ND filters, a 15x Canon L series zoom and unlimited recording time. It also has a. Monster battery (I bought an A60 Canon battery, and have the camera on uninterrupted for 4+ hrs). I can access important things without needing to menu dive, such as zebras, or scopes, or AF, or auto iris etc. It can also record 4 channel audio without attachments (2x XLRs + 2x via 3.5mm), which I have used to record both stereo atoms + a shotgun. It is great that as long as I have a charged batter and memory cards loaded, I can just grab the XF605 without needing to accessorise it and be ready to shoot in 10 secs flat.
Yes, that's all true, the advantages of video cameras (real video cameras, not semi-photographic crap like the C70) are huge, but it's useless to tell them, they don't understand shooting.
Great points of view guys. I used to use a Canon video camera with a shotgun microphone & 7" monitor attached for filming wildlife and people used to think I was from the BBC News! I think a good mirrorless camera with a decent EVF is great for filming most things nowadays. The only niggles that some cameras have is focus-breathing, jerky movements when zooming, poorer access to batteries/memory cards when hot-swapping and the lack of built-in ND filters.
Eh, you gotta use the right tool for the right job. For me, I couldn't live without my 1" camcorder with the 20x zoom lens (try to find an affordable 20x cinema or even mirrorless lens - or try to find any 20x full frame at all, affordable or not!). I've had projects where I've had to show everything from helicopter rescue training exercises to construction sites where I had to be some distance away, and I love that I can go super-wide or super-tight in an instant without having to change lenses - and to do so slowly and gracefully within the shot if it calls for it, thanks to servo zoom. And I can do it all within a self-contained 5-pound package without a lot of cables, gears, and rigouts, and very affordably. And a 1" sensor is a good compromise where you can get some decent bokeh, even if it's not Hollywood-creamy smooth. I just feel there's SO much attention on mirrorless cameras these days that the 1" camcorder hardly gets any love anymore. Oh yeah, and I can have more than one shoe mount (unlike mirrorless with even an XLR adapter on top, which often has only one mount), so I can mount a wireless mic receiver AND an on-camera LED light if I need it in darker places. The viewfinder is also rotatable if I need adjustment, although I wish they'd also make it where you could rotate it DOWN to see well for high-angle shots (the ol' bulky shoulder-mount ENG cameras let you have almost 180 degrees of rotation for the viewfinder).
I've had my X-T4 out in a literal blizzard and it took it all in its stride and still works like a champ. If I was still using a Sony Cinema camera I wouldn't have even been able to take it out of the bag. The shots speak for themselves! In a studio environment obviously I'd prefer the Sony, but most of what I do is out in the 'real world', so the Fuji does all of that as well as being just fine in a studio too!
Great video guys. Always get a giggle at you two. Wouldn’t it be nice if Olympus made an OM-D 1X mark 2 with better IQ. Almost indestructible that camera.
Most video centric UA-camr: NOT ENOUGH DYNAMIC RANGE!!!
Chad Jordan: NOT ENOUGH IBIS!!!
Mirrorless cameras absolutely have made their place in photography and videography. Thanks for the video, we all know these cameras don't nee to justify themselves for any purpose folks put them to.
Really interesting conversation! Love mirrorless systems for their versatility!
The IBIS in my GH5 has been incredible, I would love to see a side by side comparison Olympus/Panasonic/Canon/Nikon/Sony etc
Sony's ibis is not that good, unless it's active ibis like in a7iv a7S3
Excellent video! So many points I had never fully considered.
What about the electronic viewfinder’s oled? It’s colors will change over time.
You'd never convince us to cast aside our camcorders. Canon has a serious line of videography equipment that rivals their own mirrorless and DSLR offerings.
Additionally, a minority of those who use mirrorless make films while the numbers rise for those who use dedicated videography equipment for cinematography.
While the sensors in DSLRs and mirrorless are larger than video cameras the former has issues with overheating.
The larger the sensor the more power it consumes and the hotter it gets.
There were lots of complaints of DSLRs overheating and shutting down. Its not likely that the users read the owners manual to see how long they should record.
My Samsung S8 phone will record up to 5 minutes before it starts to heat up.
These devices were made for social media where videos of 5 minutes or less are posted.
If you want to record longer than 5 minutes then get dedicated video equipment. Did Rembrandt use a paint by numbers set to create his masterpiece...when creating yours you shouldn't ether.
EOS C300 MkIII, EOS C500 MkII, EOS C200 and EOS C200B for starters...
The right tool for the right job. Good stuff, guys.
I love this Episode Guys! You both make excellent points for new and old shooters to think about.
Did you forget to mention that you dropped one in Japan?
Nicely done gentlemen! Stay safe!
This is an excellent video and explains why smaller filmmakers like myself are happy with the S1H and yes, even the Canon R5. Decent IBIS is a lifesaver. When I heard about the R5C and before I learned it lacked IBIS, I thought this was going to be the camera for me. It would allow me to sell my S1H and R5, and give me the true hybrid experience. Unfortunately, Canon removed IBIS from the R5C and I truly believe they did it to keep the R5 viable. Before someone comes in and tell me why Canon did it (for example, I understand it is hard to cool a sensor when it is moving - but Panasonic was able to do it with the S1H and keep IBIS).
Shortage of electric power. Presently, U can't AF w telephoto lens in video mode or U need additional battery grip or power supplier. They simply didn't have enough power to run IBIS all the time with the present setup.
Thanks. Very informative.
I must say that while I rarely shoot video, it's nice to know that I can switch from still to video and back again on my Z6ii with just a flick of my thumb.
thank u for this vid. its been useful.
one thing i'de be happy if ud get into, as u have briefly mentioned it: can u do a cold test for cameras? i live in a hot climate, yet in winter the desert can be extremely cold. went in minus 2 Celsius to shoot the sunrise, and my d850 did not function properly. maybe it had something to do with the back screen starting to freeze. so, for the sake of those a bit of snow is an attraction for, would be happy to know how a frozen, yet dry, environment effect my gear and what to do- apart from warming it. (i ended up replacing my battery with a fresh and warmed one, and rapping the gear with my neck warmer).
Being focally challenged since I was 10 years old, I was already struggling to focus accurately until Canon brought out the EOS cameras . Fast forward to today with the insanely good good job that my R5 can do for video and stills , I can get sharp focusing .
Like Jordan , I do use the flip out screen to set the screen and then try as best I can to use the EVF for landscapes , but my eyesight isn’t fast enough for anything past slow-moving subjects .
Again , just a solid video from you guys - well done as usual and very useful.
Sadly , this will get a fraction of the viewers of Bambi’s latest tik Tok video, but at least those who watch your videos are feeding our brains 🧠 with substance :)
Back in 2017, I bought into the "real video is done with a video camera" idea and purchased a DVX200 to get the XLR ports, build-in NDs, 13x optical zoom lens, rocker zoom control, abundant control buttons, and a form factor that seemed to be more stable for handheld shooting, all without having to attach a cage and build up a franken-rig around a mirrorless camera. (At the time, I did consider the GH4, but decided against it. Now I wish I had gone that direction.) The main thing I didn't like about the DVX200 was it's size. Much bigger and heavier than I wanted, although much smaller and lighter than other choices. In using the DVX200, it didn't take long to get frustrated by the poor AF performance and inaccurate colors, but I did learn to appreciate the M4/3 capabilities with lower light and DoF. Not perfect, but not bad either. Last year, I purchased the GH5M2 and absolutely love it. Better AF than the Nikon D800 it replaced, and the best colors I've yet seen in any digital camera. From here on out, it's mirrorless all the way for me. Still need to learn how to get smooth zooms, but I'm sure that will come with practice.
I also bought a DVX200 and ended up buying a £750 tripod to hold it steady as the IS on 4K is rubbish. (I'm talking about windy days on a tripod - it's awful handheld!) Thing is, I rarely use it, as what I film generally takes a few miles of hiking and that combo is just too damn heavy! I'm preparing to lose some ££ to trade it in for a mirrorless to go beside my DJI Pocket and Mini 2...much more civilised!
I have had the opposite experience, I have a gh3/4 and spent far too much time fiddling and rigging it into a 'fraken-rig', dealing with broken pieces, cables or fiddly adapters/cables/dangling, dragging around a ton of extra 'equipment' in bags (and the checklist of 'did I remember to do this'); the limitations especially for live shoots were apparent. I can see a hybrid useful for blogs or stationary shots, but if you are doing any sort of moving around or need to setup quickly it just isn't the right tool. I have no focus issues with my cx350, but Panasonic in general has had some focus issues across all their cameras for a timeframe. All Panasonics tend to have a yellowish tone to it, but that is just their style (colour science.)
@@multeemedia The DVX200 had a lot of yellow in the skin tones as well. Eventually created a plugin chain that would take care of it. The GH5M2 hasn't had this issue. In fact, it's the first camera where I feel comfortable leaving it on auto-WB. Of course, the type of work you do and the number of accessories you use will make either a dedicated video camera or hybrid camera a better fit.
Hmm, are you hinting about the GH6 at the end, Jordan?
Jordan wasn't using his S1H for this, eh? Judging by that nailed AF at 9:16 . But yeah, I dropped my lowly G90 on concrete where it rolled twice. And besides scraped corners, nothing happened to it or to the lens. I don't think all brands make them this durable though.
Very nice. Enjoyed the elucidation of the POV.
Thank you for answering this question! And stay safe guys.
So, what are those "exciting new cameras" Jordan talks about?! :) Wow! :) and h6 I hope!
Awesome video! Thank you guys!
1:17 Holy shit I can't get over how Canadian it is to just stop a recording crew and just start friendly chatter about what's up
Great real life points about finding the sweet spot between features / quality and being too conspicuous / not mobile enough. Would love to see similar discussions for photography for use-value outside of pure features. Like IBIS for portable video and sound accessories, there are a lot of scenarios to discuss in photography, such as: leaf shutter compact cameras for being able to bring a smaller flash (like a TT350 or a budget manual flash), smart adapters to gain access to cheap replacements for damaged or lost lenses while traveling, ultrazooms vs primes / pancakes for packing light. There are so many decisions to make when deciding on the best gear for the job, would love to see more than the usual reach for highest quality and "moar bokeh". Come to think of it, would definitely love to see more outdoor flash photography on this channel!
Given what you have said, what is the point of a video camera then? When would that be preferred over mirrorless cameras?
Hollywood?
if I may chip in = depends on needs, like internal ND, multiple xlr inputs, lots of quick to access controls, specific capabilities like super slow motion, some ppl prefer more camera gear to impress clients
Two words: image quality. Nothing compares with an Alexa or a Red Monstro.
Timely. I was watching some old free movies in UA-cam in our country and I find that most of them are shot with still cameras, probably some of the older ones are 5D's. I also recall some comments a few years ago that they started shooting with smartphones because it is best in public
I wonder how GH5 compares with X-T3 in terms of shootings in difficult environment (or GH5 II and X-T4)
I do the exact same thing of checking the EVF then monitoring via LCD.
Great insight! I found that there is so much more to consider when looking at cameras mainly for video than there is when looking at cameras mainly for photos. I know it also comes down to the individual's/business/work requirements, but there is still so much to look at! Honestly I find it a bit overwhelming at times since that's how far technology and availability has come. At least when I finally have the budget to go and buy a camera for video I will be very well informed when I need to make my decision! Thanks a lot for posting.
This is a really good question that has always interested me. Thank you for the answer!
Great reasons! 👍🏾
As a travel guy, IS aka Image stabilization is a must for me when it come to buy a Camera right now, I love IS in my R6 thou, super steady and super stable
What's wrong with using tripods?
I have been using Mirrorless cameras for the past few years, GH4 & GH5, but still find cameras such as the Sony FDR-AX100 & AX53 a better option for video capture. Previously I had been shooting with an Sony EX3 and Canon F305 and other mini DV cassette format video cameras. The Sony AX53 has fantastic image stabilisation but limited manual control. Most Mirrorless cameras lack built in ND control and audio requires extra XLR attachments etc.
That's right, but it's useless for them to write this, they don't understand video shooting.
I really enjoy my Sony 'point and shoot' FDR-AX53 video camera. A demo video on my channel
@13:42 Bob Richardson (an idol of mine ) always hammers in this point--- If you're on an EVF your whole world is just black and all you have to see is the frame... that window into your moving painting...it forces you to be focused on the scene and what you are doing as well... it will make you a better shooter or at least a more careful and attentive one - (these are my words not Bob)- tbc IM paraphrasing
Jordan’s voice sounds off. What were u recording the audio with today? Awesome video!
I don't understand why Z9 hand held clip looking good in this video. but some of the other photographers put a video showing image stabilization working there is a strange frame shift movement.
Jordan is better than those others. That’s why.
An experienced and good videographer does that magic
@mavfan1 😅 Jordan is video Yoda
@@mirrorlessny Chris and Jordan both sporting mighty beards.
@@mavfan1 i am sure he also noticed strange frame shift in some situations. because i am noticed in few clips where frame stay static as its on tripod then its slightly shift.
Can we get a review on new DJI mic please?
On it.
Jordan @ DPReview
You addressed why you prefer to use hybrid cameras over cinema cameras but didn't talk about camcorders at all. Would something like the Canon XA70 be useful in your work?
I came to this video with ambitions to flame, but these were all solid arguments. I've been fantasizing about getting the DJI 4D but I've never really considered what would happen if I were to drop it.
I once knocked over a mirrorless on a tripod onto concrete, and all that happened was the lens-hood snapped, that was it.
for one man band, Ibis is very important
I couldn't agree more with Jordan on the advantages of, and preference for, certain video-helpful features that are common on mirrorless cameras.
EVFs are a must for me -- I don't know how people shoot video confidently without them.
Also, I agree that the look of good IBIS is noticeably better than lens-only or even digital-crop stabilization. I also like using the whole sensor, so cropping irks me. Some mirrorless cinema-focused cameras (Like the R5 C) would be high on my list of considerations to buy, but their removal of IBIS makes many other options more appealing. They need to figure out a way to lock the sensor in-place so we can get the best of both worlds whether we're using gimbals or hand-holding.
For many of your viewers it also shows the standard of video from a mirrorless camera & what can be achieved, because many of us couldn't afford a dedicated video camera anyway.
When did you review the Canon C70?
I can add one of your older but valid comment, the cinema camera menu is still a lot slow and clunky compared to mirorless ones.Great topic!
i just wish Panasonic would make a long range zoom, mega range 24-400 with power zoom built in to the lens and built in nd filters for the s1H . When I shoot video I hate hate hate only having manual zooming, So that is why I have an HC x2000 for video and S1R for photos.
Nice to hear a bit about stabalisation. The clip you showed from the Z9 actually looked ok considering you were walking.
I've heard the Z9 stabalisation is quite good.
Looking forward to what you say when you review the OM-1. Chris, Olympus cameras have always been forgiving whenever it comes to accidents. I had an issue a few years ago and the new, but not up to standard, OEM1Mk11 gave all it left to give until I arrived home and sent it off to Olympus Hospital.
... and, we the audience want to see the production capabilities made on a camera we can afford and may be thinking of purchasing & using ourselves. That's is what DPReview is for.
great point about the evf I love having the E.V.f money saver for the camera makers but I will stick to the a7siii for that reason.