I agree with the sentiment and the distribution of cc being it's biggest issue. However the idea of high BP low risk fighting stab is good for the game because in future generations Fp wasn't made irrelevant because of cc existing it was the other shit that made it terrible. All of scarf uturn volt and better and more distributed priority make naked punch unviable and unusable outside of dedicated sub punchers which went the way of the dodo after gen 5. FP would have gone out of the meta regardless of cc.
Focus punch is one of my favorite moves in history, and is one that I use till this day, the ability to smack the opponent with a 150 base power nuke simply for reading a switch which isnt reasonably hard considering how many switches happpen in singles is so good, Medi is a particularly fun abuser of it because later gens it doesnt get CC, just HJK, which is high risk/reward in its own right, so sometimes i just have both on the same set cuz if I need the harder hit and I can afford it, why not go for it
Close Combat was a mistake. Superpower, Cross Chop, and Focus Punch would all have been viable, interesting high-power fighting moves with unique downsides that create strategic tension and decision making if it weren't for CC invalidating them by existing.
Hard agree. Fighting is so much better as a "I can take a risk" or prediction focused high coverage type, when we already have ground type as a high coverage low risk type. And it makes so much sense lorewise that in a world where everything else can thunderbolt and fire blast and all that that punching would be pretty situational and high risk.
Close Combat, Focus Blast, Stealth Rock, Electivire, Dusknoir, Rhyperior, Fire-types in the Sinnoh Dex (the coldest region in the PkMN world), what else? Did I forget anything? Is ANYTHING Gen 4 did okay? People even started saying the Phys-Sp split should've never happened!!😂 Bro Mons had to use HIDDEN POWER as a STAB MOVE before Gen 4. Look the thing is: Close Combat, yes yes. What people don't get is that in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HGSS just about EVERY POKEMON that existed from Gen 1-4 got buffed to the max, bringing a kind of balance to these games. Yes, of course some got buffed more, some less, Close Combat is overpowered? Well... BRAVE BIRD also exists! The Phys-Sp split, reworked abilities, improved movesets and new super-strong moves given to ALL Pokemon, old or new is often overlooked. Can Gen 4 ever get its flowers? Compare the movesets of Gen 1 Pokemon from Gens 1-4. In Gen 1 to 2 and mostly even 3 the movesets don't change that much and in Gen 3 there's still Mons without a Phys/Special STAB move (except Hidden Power, which was NEVER ment to be used like that) until Level 100 and in Gen 3 there's still Mons learning Screech at Level 69. Gen 4 reworked, invented and fixed so many things but no... hahaha look at funny slow HP bars! The only wish. For people to see what good Diamond and Pearl did. They put in sooo much work, it's insane.
Speaking of low-risk moves, a lot of Mons get Body Slam in ADV and I played some games back in 2016 where everyone had banded Mons using it. Thank you for the net.battle reference! It made my day.
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I was thinking about focus punch in adv today and I decided to look it up because I knew, somehow, that you would have an hour long discussion video about it, and here it is. Love the content as always
7:10 that's funny because on ladder evaluating risk/reward is the opposite a lot of the time. I would normally fire blast in that scenario because I have a breloom for the ttar but if they stay in fire blast is the way to make progress. Ladder players are very bad at evaluating their win conditions and their ways of stopping mine.
Thanks so much as always BKC. Speaking of fighting types, is there any chance you could do a deep dive on Medicham's role in ADV? From my (limited) understanding it is one of the better BL pokemon and I love the concept of a glass cannon who hits like slaking but doesn't have to deal with Truant. Either way, thanks for your time.
@@tylerd1297 I'm aware, I've watched it a couple times, but it really isn't the kind of deep dive that I'm talking about. BKC goes much more in depth on his own channel since he doesn't need to cover multiple generations, nor is he restricted to keeping a video relatively breezy/easy to watch. There's a lot of nuance that is difficult to obtain unless you're in the know already, reading smogon summaries and watching FSG only goes so far.
@@Fizzicles Agree. I want to get into ADV and having read the forums, watched the videos as well as a few replays I can definitely see how Medicham can be an actual power house of the tier and one that also seems like a lot of fun to use (although I would definitely not try it in my first few tries at the tier lol, definitely don't have the knowledge to use it, but knowing how it works exactly in the metagame and how to deal with it would be appreciated I think)
I ran a Max Atk/Max HP Adamant Dusclops (Wisp/Focus Punch/Shadow Ball/Pain Split) on an ADV team, and it was always a blast to catch mons with the Focus Punch who came in expecting the usual passive Dusclops. Shadow Ball actually wasn't bad either since it was Physical too.
While it's probably beyond the scope of this video, I think it'd be interesting if they buffed focus punch's utility. For example, maybe have it not count as an "attack" for the purpose of Sucker Punch, or have it not activate Truant? I feel like the move's inherent riskiness would still keep the move well below the level of CC even with these buffs, but it'd be nice to have a reason to use focus punch over CC (granted, I suppose literally any attack into focus punch could be considered a "sucker punch," but there's also no real explanation for sucker punch to fail against status moves/switching that couldn't also be argued for focus punch, or any reduced-priority move for that matter.)
On the topic of focus punch what do you think of this focus punch dragonite set? Dragonite is my favourite pokemon and I've been struggling to get him to do anything useful in ADV. Leftovers, Rash nature, 60 ATK, 252 SPA, 196 SPE, Fire blast Hidden Power Grass Focus Punch Ice beam/Thunder. The idea behind the set is to have a mixmence like wall breaker with Focus Punch and Ice Beam/Thunder instead of Brick Break/Dragon Claw.
it's a blend of mixmence and mixtar (if you use ice beam, which you should). it's good! focus punch is nice but you can also consider brick break which makes it easier to use and more reliable in 1v1s against tar, lax, bliss
@@BKCplaysPokemonI thought about Brick Break as well but the problem with the move is that it turns Dragonite into an inferior Salamence in my opinion. The reason why I considered Thunder is that it is a guaranteed 2HKO against milotic in sand (and I really hate that thing). But I agree that Ice beam is better overall. Your channel is great BTW and me accidentally stumbling on it a couple of weeks ago made me start playing ADV OU.
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This made me think of something... So you know how once Blissey Seismic Tosses Hera on a FP and doesn't see Lefites so it assumes CB? What if you ran Black Belt to not only bluff CB, but catch the Blissey STossing again and outright KO it? I forget if Gen 3 only had that item as a 10% boost or 20%. This set probably isn't good, but just food for thought y'know?
BKC if you go into "import/export" for your team, and then type in the name of the pokemon or paste its set there you can have a team with multiple pokemon. And for in instant 12 you just copy the original team and paste it.
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Yeah, hits Lax kind of hard and confuses it. Hilariously not a move many mons want to switch into because of confusion. Also a better hit on Tar and Blissey, though it's not the main draw.
Okay so I really feel like I’m missing something. Obviously it’s going to destroy a T tar switch in, but will the opponent not have a chance to get Tar out and get a resist in? Like once Tar is in and they see “tightening it’s focus” will they not be able to just switch again and let something else eat it? I know nothing wants to take it but it does seem kind of easy to play around.
To save BKC having to fully elaborate on the reply he was kind enough to leave to a comment on a 2+ year old video: The way focus punch works is that it’s a negative priority move, but it still hits on the same turn it was clicked on. That means that if you click focus punch, you will always go last that turn (unless your opponent also clicks a negative priority move, which isn’t relevant here). If your opponent does not deal damage to you that turn, focus punch will go off successfully. If they do, it will fail. So in the case that you click focus punch and your opponent clicks “switch to TTar”, the switch will happen, then the punch, which will succeed because switching to TTar does not do damage to the opposing ‘mon. Thus TTar will get his sandy stuffing punched out of him. Tl;dr: focus punch is not 2-turn like Fly. It’s 1-turn but always goes second like Counter/mirror coat. Tar switches get rocked.
@@Billymanaco I am only just now learning about competitive Gen 3 and I’ve been kinda relentlessly binging these BKC videos. Guess it’s time to finally play around in the sim!
@@connorharlan1187 no worries! I don’t even play competitively myself, I just enjoy the game and try to follow the scene when I can, so I’m no huge expert myself. There’s plenty of resources on this channel and others (I think BKC has a discord too?) though. Don’t feel bad about asking “stupid” questions or anything-everyone’s gotta learn at some point, and scenes like these can always use new players! Heck, I’m sure BKC himself wouldn’t make these videos if he weren’t hoping to inspire new players to play the gens. In terms of learning how specific moves work, though, there are a number of websites (serebii, bulbapedia, I believe even Smogon) that have pages explaining the features of basically every move in the game. Some particularly strange moves may have unmentioned interactions there, but for the most part, if you want to learn how a particular move works, you can always check there.
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I think I'd prefer having to use a a unique, risky, highly impactful move over just everything having Close Combat.
Agreed its not as mindless
In doubles battle i guess focus punch is almost unplayable, even if close combat didn't existed
I agree with the sentiment and the distribution of cc being it's biggest issue. However the idea of high BP low risk fighting stab is good for the game because in future generations Fp wasn't made irrelevant because of cc existing it was the other shit that made it terrible. All of scarf uturn volt and better and more distributed priority make naked punch unviable and unusable outside of dedicated sub punchers which went the way of the dodo after gen 5. FP would have gone out of the meta regardless of cc.
@@criskooo2802 you can pair a focus punch user with a follow me user
@@deeznoots6241 and what you do with spread moves like dazzling gleam or heat wave? modern vgc is packed with spread moves
Naked Punch is a surprisingly lewd name for a Pokemon strategy
NAKED PUNCH
@@lan_t3rn well, it did just hit 69, but actually went beyond it. I'm sad it didn't stay on 69 now.
Focus Punch is a triumph of game design
The fact that Focus Punch continues to be a Great option in JENTH Cements JENTH as the dopest format!!!
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@@demetriusdemarcusthe88thof99 mogulis is a coward, it would never attack in a bkc video
imagine if inner focus made focus punch always work
dragonite would be ridiculous
I had this same idea, but instead of always working, eliminate the negative priority aspect
@@jmcbango That’s rly a great compromise. Especially on a medium speed mon like dnite.
@@dragonhunter2001 AgilityPass moment
“nothing survives cb metagross’s explosion”
gengar: observe.
A 45 min analysis about ADV Focus Punch is exactly what I need right now. Bless BKC
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Focus punch is one of my favorite moves in history, and is one that I use till this day, the ability to smack the opponent with a 150 base power nuke simply for reading a switch which isnt reasonably hard considering how many switches happpen in singles is so good, Medi is a particularly fun abuser of it because later gens it doesnt get CC, just HJK, which is high risk/reward in its own right, so sometimes i just have both on the same set cuz if I need the harder hit and I can afford it, why not go for it
speaking of HJK, I was using it with wide lens on a Cinderace until Cinderace got his ban.
Hjk is still better altough Is risky
*Laughs in gen 9*
Medicham has CC now.
Close Combat was a mistake. Superpower, Cross Chop, and Focus Punch would all have been viable, interesting high-power fighting moves with unique downsides that create strategic tension and decision making if it weren't for CC invalidating them by existing.
They should reduce it to 100 base power tbh
I mean the hjk buff would probably just lead to the same dynamic anyways i feel
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That one’s stupid rare, though. Close Combat is common enough to pop up as a coverage move somewhat often.
Hard agree. Fighting is so much better as a "I can take a risk" or prediction focused high coverage type, when we already have ground type as a high coverage low risk type. And it makes so much sense lorewise that in a world where everything else can thunderbolt and fire blast and all that that punching would be pretty situational and high risk.
Close Combat, Focus Blast, Stealth Rock, Electivire, Dusknoir, Rhyperior, Fire-types in the Sinnoh Dex (the coldest region in the PkMN world), what else? Did I forget anything? Is ANYTHING Gen 4 did okay? People even started saying the Phys-Sp split should've never happened!!😂 Bro Mons had to use HIDDEN POWER as a STAB MOVE before Gen 4. Look the thing is: Close Combat, yes yes. What people don't get is that in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HGSS just about EVERY POKEMON that existed from Gen 1-4 got buffed to the max, bringing a kind of balance to these games. Yes, of course some got buffed more, some less, Close Combat is overpowered? Well... BRAVE BIRD also exists! The Phys-Sp split, reworked abilities, improved movesets and new super-strong moves given to ALL Pokemon, old or new is often overlooked. Can Gen 4 ever get its flowers? Compare the movesets of Gen 1 Pokemon from Gens 1-4. In Gen 1 to 2 and mostly even 3 the movesets don't change that much and in Gen 3 there's still Mons without a Phys/Special STAB move (except Hidden Power, which was NEVER ment to be used like that) until Level 100 and in Gen 3 there's still Mons learning Screech at Level 69. Gen 4 reworked, invented and fixed so many things but no... hahaha look at funny slow HP bars! The only wish. For people to see what good Diamond and Pearl did. They put in sooo much work, it's insane.
Speaking of low-risk moves, a lot of Mons get Body Slam in ADV and I played some games back in 2016 where everyone had banded Mons using it. Thank you for the net.battle reference! It made my day.
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Words can't describe how happy I am to find a channel that's still into competitive ADV. It's been a pleasure watching this for 46 mins straight.
I love the video so much that I play it all the time even as background noise now. The guy's voice is really soothing
I dont even play on showdown and when I do its never the old gens. But I enjoy your content.
My man drops 40 mins a move, someone calc how many hours he'll be putting in
545 hrs 20 mins. Really tho there are many moves that don't warrant more than a sentence or two, if that lol
@@honjon666 Tackle would be an feature length film
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I was thinking about focus punch in adv today and I decided to look it up because I knew, somehow, that you would have an hour long discussion video about it, and here it is. Love the content as always
7:10 that's funny because on ladder evaluating risk/reward is the opposite a lot of the time. I would normally fire blast in that scenario because I have a breloom for the ttar but if they stay in fire blast is the way to make progress. Ladder players are very bad at evaluating their win conditions and their ways of stopping mine.
Snorlax, the old gen MVP.
Thanks so much as always BKC. Speaking of fighting types, is there any chance you could do a deep dive on Medicham's role in ADV? From my (limited) understanding it is one of the better BL pokemon and I love the concept of a glass cannon who hits like slaking but doesn't have to deal with Truant.
Either way, thanks for your time.
He writes for False Swipe Gaming, a channel that does analysis videos and they did one on Medicham not long ago.
@@tylerd1297 I'm aware, I've watched it a couple times, but it really isn't the kind of deep dive that I'm talking about. BKC goes much more in depth on his own channel since he doesn't need to cover multiple generations, nor is he restricted to keeping a video relatively breezy/easy to watch. There's a lot of nuance that is difficult to obtain unless you're in the know already, reading smogon summaries and watching FSG only goes so far.
@@Fizzicles Agree. I want to get into ADV and having read the forums, watched the videos as well as a few replays I can definitely see how Medicham can be an actual power house of the tier and one that also seems like a lot of fun to use (although I would definitely not try it in my first few tries at the tier lol, definitely don't have the knowledge to use it, but knowing how it works exactly in the metagame and how to deal with it would be appreciated I think)
Fair enough. a more in depth look would be really cool. Ive been interested in that too and always thought Meddy could do a lot more in OU than it has
@@tylerd1297 Wait really? Source? That is so cool! I also see PokeaimMD linked in the description of FSG videos too!
Snorlax nailing a ttar that tries to dd on u is the most satisfying thing
I ran a Max Atk/Max HP Adamant Dusclops (Wisp/Focus Punch/Shadow Ball/Pain Split) on an ADV team, and it was always a blast to catch mons with the Focus Punch who came in expecting the usual passive Dusclops. Shadow Ball actually wasn't bad either since it was Physical too.
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While it's probably beyond the scope of this video, I think it'd be interesting if they buffed focus punch's utility. For example, maybe have it not count as an "attack" for the purpose of Sucker Punch, or have it not activate Truant? I feel like the move's inherent riskiness would still keep the move well below the level of CC even with these buffs, but it'd be nice to have a reason to use focus punch over CC (granted, I suppose literally any attack into focus punch could be considered a "sucker punch," but there's also no real explanation for sucker punch to fail against status moves/switching that couldn't also be argued for focus punch, or any reduced-priority move for that matter.)
On the topic of focus punch what do you think of this focus punch dragonite set? Dragonite is my favourite pokemon and I've been struggling to get him to do anything useful in ADV.
Leftovers,
Rash nature,
60 ATK, 252 SPA, 196 SPE,
Fire blast
Hidden Power Grass
Focus Punch
Ice beam/Thunder.
The idea behind the set is to have a mixmence like wall breaker with Focus Punch and Ice Beam/Thunder instead of Brick Break/Dragon Claw.
it's a blend of mixmence and mixtar (if you use ice beam, which you should). it's good! focus punch is nice but you can also consider brick break which makes it easier to use and more reliable in 1v1s against tar, lax, bliss
@@BKCplaysPokemonI thought about Brick Break as well but the problem with the move is that it turns Dragonite into an inferior Salamence in my opinion. The reason why I considered Thunder is that it is a guaranteed 2HKO against milotic in sand (and I really hate that thing). But I agree that Ice beam is better overall.
Your channel is great BTW and me accidentally stumbling on it a couple of weeks ago made me start playing ADV OU.
I would give money to UA-camrs if I was an idiot, too. Thanks for your great work, every vid I end up watching gets me back on the ladder. Best Meta of all time
This made me think of something... So you know how once Blissey Seismic Tosses Hera on a FP and doesn't see Lefites so it assumes CB? What if you ran Black Belt to not only bluff CB, but catch the Blissey STossing again and outright KO it? I forget if Gen 3 only had that item as a 10% boost or 20%. This set probably isn't good, but just food for thought y'know?
I feel like lum or salac are relevant enough items that u shouldn’t do that
BKC if you go into "import/export" for your team, and then type in the name of the pokemon or paste its set there you can have a team with multiple pokemon. And for in instant 12 you just copy the original team and paste it.
So good at telling a story with this. I won't be playing ADV any time soon but I love learning about it through this channel
Always loved focus punch smacking the shit out of things, most satisfying move in Pokemon by far
**Switches to Dusklops.**
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Dude I left everything Pokemon when SWSH came out, and didn't play competitive in Gen 7 because I hated Z Moves.
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helping bring back focus punch is another reason to nuke volt/turn moves, the lowest skill moves to exist
Why do this when you could just click Fishous Rend? /s
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Great video! Really like these lengthy videos
Thanks for posting!
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funny, I actually want to run a Heracross in 8th gen. Not too sure if I can make it ork, but I'll give it a try anyway.
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Focus Punch with scarf Slaking on the Ferrothorn switch
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Hi Superstar, My fav puncher is still lead bandtar
What if focus punch was in GSC?
I still used Focus Punch on Gen 8 Nat Dex OU to destroy any cocky Ferrothorn that tried to wall my swift swim Swampert
You can eq it on the switch and from there its in 2hko range iirc, and superpower is better if you want an extra kick against it anyways
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Hey bkc or anyone else in the comments for that matter can anyone eexplain to me why gsc Gengar runs dynamic punch?
I dont play gsc but I’m guessing to flip the tables on pursuit tar or to hax thru snorlax long term
Yeah, hits Lax kind of hard and confuses it. Hilariously not a move many mons want to switch into because of confusion. Also a better hit on Tar and Blissey, though it's not the main draw.
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How GREAT was Focus Punch ACTUALLY?
Okay so I really feel like I’m missing something. Obviously it’s going to destroy a T tar switch in, but will the opponent not have a chance to get Tar out and get a resist in? Like once Tar is in and they see “tightening it’s focus” will they not be able to just switch again and let something else eat it? I know nothing wants to take it but it does seem kind of easy to play around.
that's not how focus punch works
To save BKC having to fully elaborate on the reply he was kind enough to leave to a comment on a 2+ year old video:
The way focus punch works is that it’s a negative priority move, but it still hits on the same turn it was clicked on. That means that if you click focus punch, you will always go last that turn (unless your opponent also clicks a negative priority move, which isn’t relevant here). If your opponent does not deal damage to you that turn, focus punch will go off successfully. If they do, it will fail.
So in the case that you click focus punch and your opponent clicks “switch to TTar”, the switch will happen, then the punch, which will succeed because switching to TTar does not do damage to the opposing ‘mon. Thus TTar will get his sandy stuffing punched out of him.
Tl;dr: focus punch is not 2-turn like Fly. It’s 1-turn but always goes second like Counter/mirror coat. Tar switches get rocked.
Oh okay, thank you!
@@Billymanaco I am only just now learning about competitive Gen 3 and I’ve been kinda relentlessly binging these BKC videos. Guess it’s time to finally play around in the sim!
@@connorharlan1187 no worries! I don’t even play competitively myself, I just enjoy the game and try to follow the scene when I can, so I’m no huge expert myself. There’s plenty of resources on this channel and others (I think BKC has a discord too?) though. Don’t feel bad about asking “stupid” questions or anything-everyone’s gotta learn at some point, and scenes like these can always use new players! Heck, I’m sure BKC himself wouldn’t make these videos if he weren’t hoping to inspire new players to play the gens.
In terms of learning how specific moves work, though, there are a number of websites (serebii, bulbapedia, I believe even Smogon) that have pages explaining the features of basically every move in the game. Some particularly strange moves may have unmentioned interactions there, but for the most part, if you want to learn how a particular move works, you can always check there.
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What about Focus Punch Gengar?
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Great info and video, but I would recommend writing a script beforehand bc this could have been a lot more concise and precise
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