It would be nice to compare same integration time. Also, it should be a 60D vs a 60Da. Even better, comparing a Canon 60Da vs Nikon D810a because but are the astrocameras of each Manufacturer.
There would be a lot of nice to have comparisons, but I’m sure not many people have these all lying around, or would buy them just to conduct a test for a UA-cam video.
Hey Buddy! I would like to say that i am so happy that i did find your channel. I just started with astrophotography and your videos explain so much. Thanks for the whole work around your channel. I love it! Keep going. Greetz and clear nights from Germany
Thanks for this. You seem to be answering all my questions with your relevant content in your vids lately. I liked the end results but saw a bit of editing in the end in PS. I know its required. But makes me think I could get the 7D to look exactly the the 60Da by just ps alone. Fun fact: 'Zee' is USA. 'Zed' is rest of the world. Keep them coming.
Great video Trevor! It makes a huge difference even if the test wasn’t perfect. I had both my Nikon d7200 and Nikon d610 modified full spectrum by Spencer’s camera. They took the UV/IR cut filter out, the AA filter out and they installed a system that helps dissipate the heat from the sensor. Then they calibrated my cameras for every focal length I use. The results are amazing for deep sky, wide field shots and milky shots. I bought a UV/IR cut filter for each camera and I can use them exactly as before but sharper (no AA filter) and I was able to shoot a wedding and even birds in flight with great autofocus. I’ve also been experimenting with a cheep Ir variable pass filter and the results are once more amazing for infrared landscape and portraiture (weird but pretty cool). Thanks for the videos!
@@volleysim Hi, I am also interested to modify my camera from them. Do you think that choosing the ''Visible + H-Alpha+ Dust reduction reinstall'' and "Heat reduction install" is worth it rather than just the full-spectrum conversion?
Thanks for doing this comparison. This was something that I was interested in seeing. The 7D actually looked pretty good. Very natural. Stacking many more images and push processing further could be a plus.
Great final images but I definitely would've liked to see a real comparison between the two. I have a stock Canon 70D and I literally just got Baader's 7nm Ha and 8.5nm OIII so it would've been nice to see what I can expect out of that setup.
Felix I will be getting an ASI cooled camera laster this year. I haven't nailed one down yet but the Baaders were too good of a deal to pass up and I figured I'd get used to them. I've found it kind of fun so far though really working to pull every last pixel of data out of these stock DSLR subs.
Glad to hear the Canadian's also say "zed" correctly :) Quick question, if the IR cut filter in a stock DSLR cuts out some of the Ha signal, does that mean when using something like the Optocorp LeHance duoband filter, you still loose a lot of the Ha signal due to the IR cut filter still being in place?
I'm not sure if I've understood the question correctly, but all filters block something so the more filters you stack the less light you get. No filter can make up for the light lost by another filter.
Yes I probably wasn't thinking about it correctly. The IR filter in the camera will still take out the same amount of the Ha signal I guess regardless of the presence or absence of the duoband filter but the duoband filter is at least filtering out the other light pollution noise to give a cleaner Ha, Oiii and Hb signal than if the duoband filter wasn't there at all (I'm still new to all of this).
@@LogansChristmasLights Sort of. Perhaps it's easier to imagine with visible light; If you had a cyan filter, giving your images a blue/green tint by blocking some of the red light, you could add a carefully chosen red filter that was exactly opposite and your images would then have a natural colour, but of course they'd also be darker and therefore lower SNR. I suppose the benefit of having both filters (or adding a red filter if the cyan filter couldn't be removed) is that the lower exposure and SNR would mostly affect the greens and blues, and if you're trying to photograph roses that's not really a problem.
What a coincidence, as I watch this my camera is shooting the Omega nebula, I started that off with 60 mins subs a few mins ago, then came into my office to keep warm, and happened upon this video.
Good video- I'd like to see a more apples to apples comparison. I have a t3i and a modded t3i I might test with to shoot same ISO, same time of night (I'll have to borrow another scope). Thanks for the effort and these videos!
Less exposures with the 7D over the 60D. but the images are similar. That alone says alot for comparison. Probably makes more sense over taking same amount of exposures on both cameras. Great comparison. Now I don't have to worry about buying a dedicated camera for astrophotography.
AstroBackyard I grew up on Star Trek The Next Generation. Star Trek is the reason why I got interested in outer space. I was hooked on Star Trek since I was only a few months old and my parents played the music from either The Motion Picture with the Enterprise or Wrath of Khan with the Enterprise Clearing Mornings. Since then I have been hooked on Star Trek and grew up on Star Trek. I was 3 when I went to my first Star Trek Convention and meet Marina Sirtis.
Thank you, I suppose I'm just another person who got into this hobby partly because of you. I just got back from a night on M16, don't know how well they'll turn out considering I'm using a Celestron Astromaster 130, but at least it is on an HEQ5! I figured in this hobby it is like playing electric guitar in a way. Its better to have a great amp and a crappy guitar than to have a great guitar and a crappy amp; better to have a great mount and a crappy scope than...
Thanks for great demo the other day you said we can use 135mm f2 instead of telescope but can we clearly see starts & nebula by this? & what exposure needed for such?. will result be almost same as using telescope?
@@bedziebuba1 I have seen quite a few images on line taken with the stock 7d mkII I use a 6d myself.i am working on an image of Andromeda taken with the 6D and William optics Z61
Been waiting for this comparison!!! I like the 60Da better, although it did have a bit more time giving it a slight advantage. Like you said though - it is a collectors item. I was looking for one or the 20Da when I settled for the T3i but could not find one in my price range.
I like to ask. I have 90d and 5d IV, an like to star on astrophotography, which camera will work better, and the lens canon 70-200 f 2.8 is a good start?
Alright you got me ...i had to subscribe ...thanks for this so much !! Im looking into astrophotography and i know nothing about cameras so this helped
Can someone please give me advice on what kind of tube to buy for beginners around or under 1000$ ? I want to avoid collimation so I'm looking for refractors, slightly longer focal length but nothing crazy.
I considered....that....you as always; toke the time to share info that will help with a setup for future new astro photographers. It would be nice if you went back to your grass roots with DLSR those where your best vids. The DLSR videos are what got me onto astro photography....thank you again for everything!!!!!
Very cool, so do you have to manually time and click on/off for each set like every 3 minutes push a shutter button, for 27x or does your setup do that for you somehow, if so how does it do that?
Hi mate. I was really interested in this. I own 7D MKII and trying to get into astrophotography. As much as i appreciate the video, why didn't you choose a better subject...? Giving both cameras the same amount of exposure and shooting in better lighting conditions.
When photographing galaxies, say the Andromeda Galaxy and you want to get that with one exposure, no stacking, how long does one expose for that? Just bought my first star tracker this morning and I am excited to put it into action soon.
@@The_Cokester Ok, you now I had to go look at the ZWO 294MC pro. $1000 Yeah, there was a reason I got this T3i for $250 with only ~2000 images on the clock. I wish I could get one of those dedicated cameras, but after my Skywatcher EQ6-Pro , my goodwill with my better half needs some time before another large hit to the budget. hehe
I want to start deepsky imaging i bought a ed80mm tele and a mount i have an eos r for imaging. Is it worth it buying a 60da or should i stick with the eos r ?
Just a dumb newbie, or, not even "newbie" question: what kind of results could one expect from a 600 mm f 4.5 camera lens, or a 1000 mm f8 rather good mirror lens (8 cm coverage at focus point) ??
Honestly why did I watch 8 minutes of this when you're not even doing a fair comparison? There's absolutely no reason you couldn't have just used 12 subs for the Da. What's the point? Am I missing something here?
was really helpful, thanks for sharing. can i ask you something? Im immigrating to Canada, i want to know which city is better for Astrophotography? Toronto or Vancouver?
AstroBackyard ... and more vignetting but 36 megapixels. I took a shot of the Orion Nebula a night before the November 2012 Australian solar eclipse and was surprised I can see Barnard’s Loop in a 25s 50mm/f1.2 exposure. The dark skies of the Australian Outback might have helped a bit though! Thanks for uploading the video... I love your channel!
Both cameras on the same mount at the same time with two identical lenses, same exposure/s times/temp etc. would be a meaningful comparison, imho. Your series in general are very informative for newcomers to astrophotography,, mounts, guide scopes and cameras etc. Keep them coming. 👍Regards, Southern Cross Observatory-Tasmania 42 South. 🔭
Is it noticeable if you use the 60Da camera for regular daylight photos or indoor photos? Why do they even have the IR filters on standard camera to begin with? There were reports in the early 2000s that a particular Sony camera war able to image private parts due to the IR sensitivity, and people were freaking out. Could this be the reason
@@AstroBackyard Iwould on memory compare ISO 3200 on the 20Da with ISO 1000 on the 60Da . But I use a 5DMk2 in prfference for quite a long time. I was so unimpressed by the 60Da it has been used very little.
It would be nice to compare same integration time.
Also, it should be a 60D vs a 60Da.
Even better, comparing a Canon 60Da vs Nikon D810a because but are the astrocameras of each Manufacturer.
There would be a lot of nice to have comparisons, but I’m sure not many people have these all lying around, or would buy them just to conduct a test for a UA-cam video.
Hey Buddy! I would like to say that i am so happy that i did find your channel. I just started with astrophotography and your videos explain so much. Thanks for the whole work around your channel. I love it! Keep going. Greetz and clear nights from Germany
I think the comparison should have been with the 6Da and a 6D with the same integration. Not all DSLR's are equal in stock ha blocking.
you are talking crop sensor vs full frame 7d is the better choice for this comparison
Not a fair comparison unless you have the same amount of data from both cameras.
I own the 7D MK II and have found the best SN ratio to be at 1600iso.
Thanks for this. You seem to be answering all my questions with your relevant content in your vids lately.
I liked the end results but saw a bit of editing in the end in PS. I know its required. But makes me think I could get the 7D to look exactly the the 60Da by just ps alone.
Fun fact:
'Zee' is USA.
'Zed' is rest of the world.
Keep them coming.
Great video Trevor! It makes a huge difference even if the test wasn’t perfect.
I had both my Nikon d7200 and Nikon d610 modified full spectrum by Spencer’s camera. They took the UV/IR cut filter out, the AA filter out and they installed a system that helps dissipate the heat from the sensor. Then they calibrated my cameras for every focal length I use. The results are amazing for deep sky, wide field shots and milky shots. I bought a UV/IR cut filter for each camera and I can use them exactly as before but sharper (no AA filter) and I was able to shoot a wedding and even birds in flight with great autofocus. I’ve also been experimenting with a cheep Ir variable pass filter and the results are once more amazing for infrared landscape and portraiture (weird but pretty cool).
Thanks for the videos!
I forgot to mention that it is a bit pricey, but if you already have an amazing camera and you want to get the max out of it, this is a great option!
@@volleysim Hi, I am also interested to modify my camera from them. Do you think that choosing the ''Visible + H-Alpha+ Dust reduction reinstall'' and "Heat reduction install" is worth it rather than just the full-spectrum conversion?
Trevor, I'm loving the TNG shirt! Boldly go brother.
😁
Canon 7d Mark II with less shots looks really really good for a crop sensor. Really cool.
Thanks for doing this comparison. This was something that I was interested in seeing. The 7D actually looked pretty good. Very natural. Stacking many more images and push processing further could be a plus.
Your software what it is call for astrophotography
I was just shooting Triffid and Lagoon last night, and they're right above my head in Sydney, Aus.
Great final images but I definitely would've liked to see a real comparison between the two. I have a stock Canon 70D and I literally just got Baader's 7nm Ha and 8.5nm OIII so it would've been nice to see what I can expect out of that setup.
Felix I will be getting an ASI cooled camera laster this year. I haven't nailed one down yet but the Baaders were too good of a deal to pass up and I figured I'd get used to them. I've found it kind of fun so far though really working to pull every last pixel of data out of these stock DSLR subs.
Thank you for another amazing video. Unparalleled production quality. Great channel for astro photography ✌️✌️👍👍
Clearly the 60da performed better. Would be interested to see a comparison between the 60da and your modded T3i.
Yes that would be an interesting comparison! From what I've seen online, the full spectrum mod will collect more signal in H-alpha then the 60Da
Agree 100%
The zooming effect at 7:25 on a full screen makes it so immersive
Glad to hear the Canadian's also say "zed" correctly :) Quick question, if the IR cut filter in a stock DSLR cuts out some of the Ha signal, does that mean when using something like the Optocorp LeHance duoband filter, you still loose a lot of the Ha signal due to the IR cut filter still being in place?
I'm not sure if I've understood the question correctly, but all filters block something so the more filters you stack the less light you get. No filter can make up for the light lost by another filter.
Yes I probably wasn't thinking about it correctly. The IR filter in the camera will still take out the same amount of the Ha signal I guess regardless of the presence or absence of the duoband filter but the duoband filter is at least filtering out the other light pollution noise to give a cleaner Ha, Oiii and Hb signal than if the duoband filter wasn't there at all (I'm still new to all of this).
@@LogansChristmasLights Sort of. Perhaps it's easier to imagine with visible light; If you had a cyan filter, giving your images a blue/green tint by blocking some of the red light, you could add a carefully chosen red filter that was exactly opposite and your images would then have a natural colour, but of course they'd also be darker and therefore lower SNR.
I suppose the benefit of having both filters (or adding a red filter if the cyan filter couldn't be removed) is that the lower exposure and SNR would mostly affect the greens and blues, and if you're trying to photograph roses that's not really a problem.
Which one of these make more sense: "zee" or "zed" - Zebra or Zedbra.
@@Sharpless2 I say "zed for zebra" not "zee for zeebra", but I can easily make sense of both pronunciations. Would you consider me bilingual?
The video I’ve been waiting for!!!! ❤️
Amazing pictures as allways
Thank you!!
Excellent comparison
Great idea Trevor! Nice to see the comparison.
That's funny I'm heading to Cherry Springs this weekend and was thinking of reshooting this target myself. Great match up. Clear sky's to ya.
Gee I have it good here in Melbourne Australia. Direct overhead is normal on Sagitarious!
hell yeah!
Ok.... What about the objects around Cepheus and the biggest galaxies like whirlpool, pinwheel and Andromeda....? 😜
What a coincidence, as I watch this my camera is shooting the Omega nebula, I started that off with 60 mins subs a few mins ago, then came into my office to keep warm, and happened upon this video.
Good video- I'd like to see a more apples to apples comparison. I have a t3i and a modded t3i I might test with to shoot same ISO, same time of night (I'll have to borrow another scope). Thanks for the effort and these videos!
Less exposures with the 7D over the 60D. but the images are similar. That alone says alot for comparison. Probably makes more sense over taking same amount of exposures on both cameras. Great comparison. Now I don't have to worry about buying a dedicated camera for astrophotography.
I like the composite of the two, nice work!
Yes! Star Trek The Next Generation Worf! Awesome shirt! Star Trek is my favorite!
Finally someone commented on this! Lol. TNG!!
AstroBackyard I grew up on Star Trek The Next Generation. Star Trek is the reason why I got interested in outer space. I was hooked on Star Trek since I was only a few months old and my parents played the music from either The Motion Picture with the Enterprise or Wrath of Khan with the Enterprise Clearing Mornings. Since then I have been hooked on Star Trek and grew up on Star Trek. I was 3 when I went to my first Star Trek Convention and meet Marina Sirtis.
Thank you, I suppose I'm just another person who got into this hobby partly because of you. I just got back from a night on M16, don't know how well they'll turn out considering I'm using a Celestron Astromaster 130, but at least it is on an HEQ5! I figured in this hobby it is like playing electric guitar in a way. Its better to have a great amp and a crappy guitar than to have a great guitar and a crappy amp; better to have a great mount and a crappy scope than...
How about using a stock camera with Ha clip filter?
Best video I have seen on Canon EOS 60Da. Good one to travel with!
Amazing video Trevor, as usual. THANK YOU!
Still the best soundtrack of all your videos!
What is this soundtrack ? 😅
Thanks for great demo the other day you said we can use 135mm f2 instead of telescope but can we clearly see starts & nebula by this? & what exposure needed for such?. will result be almost same as using telescope?
That was some pretty impressive photo results. I wish I could afford all the telescope gear to be able to take photos like this.
Did you consider . The focal length is so short for the Eagle nebula ?
The canon 7D mark II can take some nice Astro photos without being modified.
Agreed!
That's interesting, i have the 7d mk ii and trying to get into astrophotography. Are you able to post any examples?
@@bedziebuba1 I have seen quite a few images on line taken with the stock 7d mkII I use a 6d myself.i am working on an image of Andromeda taken with the 6D and William optics Z61
Been waiting for this comparison!!! I like the 60Da better, although it did have a bit more time giving it a slight advantage. Like you said though - it is a collectors item. I was looking for one or the 20Da when I settled for the T3i but could not find one in my price range.
can anyone tell me the name of the music at the end? amazing combo space wth that music !! tks
with that gear , you need to come to the middle of NV were all you see is light from above
Hi Trevor do you think a Canon 6D mk1 and a red cat 51 is a good combination for a small travel set up :-)
Excellent comparison, Trevor, and great Eagle(s)!
What is the settings to see andromeda with the Canon 60d
In your experience if the exposures were matched would the images be much different?
Yeah. The biggest difference (no surprise) is the red channel - Regardless of integration. I'll post some examples on the website
Great video. Whats the music at the End?
What is the song name please?
Is that a 58mm standard size filter for canon lenses?
Looking get my first modified dslr. Should I go with an infrared conversion or Astro conversion?
I like to ask. I have 90d and 5d IV, an like to star on astrophotography, which camera will work better, and the lens canon 70-200 f 2.8 is a good start?
Alright you got me ...i had to subscribe ...thanks for this so much !! Im looking into astrophotography and i know nothing about cameras so this helped
What's the difference between the 60d and the 60da?
Do you have contact info who can modify a Canon 60D in Canada?
Can someone please give me advice on what kind of tube to buy for beginners around or under 1000$ ? I want to avoid collimation so I'm looking for refractors, slightly longer focal length but nothing crazy.
But would the dedicated astrophotography camera be good for regular photography?
I considered....that....you as always; toke the time to share info that will help with a setup for future new astro photographers. It would be nice if you went back to your grass roots with DLSR those where your best vids. The DLSR videos are what got me onto astro photography....thank you again for everything!!!!!
Very cool, so do you have to manually time and click on/off for each set like every 3 minutes push a shutter button, for 27x or does your setup do that for you somehow, if so how does it do that?
Hi mate. I was really interested in this. I own 7D MKII and trying to get into astrophotography. As much as i appreciate the video, why didn't you choose a better subject...? Giving both cameras the same amount of exposure and shooting in better lighting conditions.
When photographing galaxies, say the Andromeda Galaxy and you want to get that with one exposure, no stacking, how long does one expose for that? Just bought my first star tracker this morning
and I am excited to put it into action soon.
Wow, nice video. Thanks for the effort.
Of course the 60D will reveal more of the nebula. It is a modified camera. A valid comparison would have been with one of your old modified camera.
Fantastic shot!
but... the 60da result had more integration time and more frames, of course its gonna look better than less time and frames
I ve a canon 700d modified astrodon. It works so good on h alpha nebula.
Trevor what adapter and filter did you use to connect the dslr to the camera.
Ok, I'm doing it. Take out the IR filter from my Canon T3i. Been putting it off, but no longer!
YTMegiddo if you are doing it yourself go for it. But if your going to pay for it I would just save up a bit more for like a ZWO 294MC pro
@@The_Cokester Yeah I bought a second hand Canon just so I could do it. I just have to get the nerve up ;) But I do have the video.
YTMegiddo you got this haha
@@The_Cokester Ok, you now I had to go look at the ZWO 294MC pro. $1000 Yeah, there was a reason I got this T3i for $250 with only ~2000 images on the clock. I wish I could get one of those dedicated cameras, but after my Skywatcher EQ6-Pro , my goodwill with my better half needs some time before another large hit to the budget. hehe
YTMegiddo no I get that lol. I knew the DSLR cost $250 and then the mod costs $250. I was just saying you are already half way there lol
I want to start deepsky imaging i bought a ed80mm tele and a mount i have an eos r for imaging. Is it worth it buying a 60da or should i stick with the eos r ?
How do you like the new WO guidescope? Also, how much better is the new WO high precision T-Ring?
@AstroBackyard did you ever tried to shoot Eta Carinae?? It's possible even without a big tele?
Really cool video good job.
@astrobackyard What extension tube are you using on the new Uniguide scope? I can't get mine to focus with my ZWO ASI290MM Mini.
Wish I could get a clear sky like that over here.
Just a dumb newbie, or, not even "newbie" question: what kind of results could one expect from a 600 mm f 4.5 camera lens, or a 1000 mm f8 rather good mirror lens (8 cm coverage at focus point) ??
Now layer the final two images and see what happens?
Great video...as always
You gave the 60da twice the exposure time
Honestly why did I watch 8 minutes of this when you're not even doing a fair comparison? There's absolutely no reason you couldn't have just used 12 subs for the Da. What's the point? Am I missing something here?
What telescope and mount did you use?
Thanks!
2:17
Whole video .... just to say SORRY I was wrong and here is a picture of both. Just cut to the end.
was really helpful, thanks for sharing.
can i ask you something? Im immigrating to Canada, i want to know which city is better for Astrophotography? Toronto or Vancouver?
@Stever's Astro Images 😂😂 good advice 🤣🤣
I never knew the 60da existed. Pretty cool that they released a couple of "astro cameras".
Watching this while I am waiting for the moon come up so that i can finally test my first telescope for the first time!
the name of the song??
name of the song? please bro... so amazing
I would like to see the Sony alpha A7 III, that would be interesting! Anyone else?
Is Canon planning on any new “a” model, say 80Da?
Now to compare it with the Nikon D810A
I would imagine a similar sensitivity to ha - but in glorious full frame!
AstroBackyard ... and more vignetting but 36 megapixels. I took a shot of the Orion Nebula a night before the November 2012 Australian solar eclipse and was surprised I can see Barnard’s Loop in a 25s 50mm/f1.2 exposure. The dark skies of the Australian Outback might have helped a bit though! Thanks for uploading the video... I love your channel!
There is no comparison. The cameras trevor tested do not come close.
Probably should just compare single subs...
Just stretch a sub from each camera and post it
U are awesome,
Be creative as usual.
Both cameras on the same mount at the same time with two identical lenses, same exposure/s times/temp etc. would be a meaningful comparison, imho. Your series in general are very informative for newcomers to astrophotography,, mounts, guide scopes and cameras etc. Keep them coming. 👍Regards, Southern Cross Observatory-Tasmania 42 South. 🔭
That was cool hearing that Canon made a camera specially for Astro photographers.
Is it noticeable if you use the 60Da camera for regular daylight photos or indoor photos? Why do they even have the IR filters on standard camera to begin with?
There were reports in the early 2000s that a particular Sony camera war able to image private parts due to the IR sensitivity, and people were freaking out. Could this be the reason
Flawed examination. Why?
Cooled ccd is so much better though.
Great point. Flawed.
Compare that with a p1000
My 60Da was disapointing compared to my 20Da as it is FAR noisier.
Really? Interesting! Before finding the 60Da I put an offer on a 20Da and just missed it. I still kinda want one... 😄
@@AstroBackyard Iwould on memory compare ISO 3200 on the 20Da with ISO 1000 on the 60Da . But I use a 5DMk2 in prfference for quite a long time. I was so unimpressed by the 60Da it has been used very little.
If you are speaking English it is Zed! Don't worry, stick to English. Great. I wanted to know the difference and if the Canon Da was worthy buy.
I love your videos Trevor! I am actually 11
06:55
I'll give you "zed" as long as you don't start saying "haytsh alpha"
🤣
надо было их рядом поставить
Aussie’s say Zed to
☺👍:)