Quaternions: Extracting the Dot and Cross Products

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  • Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
  • The most important operations upon vectors include the dot and cross products and are indispensable for doing physics and vector calculus. The dot product gives a quick way to check whether vectors are orthogonal and the cross product calculates a new vector orthogonal to both its inputs. These vector operations were originally derived from the analysis of quaternions and eventually parted ways with quaternions to become our modern vector analysis. Much bickering ensued in the infancy of vector analysis, with the big names including Hamilton, Gibbs, and Heaviside, but we will focus on the math here.
    In this video, I will show you how the dot and cross product arise from dissecting the formula for quaternion multiplication and allows us to write quaternion multiplication using dot and cross products. In addition, I will show the converse, how the dot and cross products can be defined using quaternion multiplication.

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  • @hugojulianorellanarojas6762
    @hugojulianorellanarojas6762 8 років тому +11

    it's really impressive. Thank u so much.

  • @TheDiverJim
    @TheDiverJim 7 років тому +2

    Hey Mathoma! I'm loving your video's on quaternions. They are hard for a guy like me to understand and you've done a great job explaining it. Would you PLEASE do a video on finding the angle between quaternions and the SLERP algorithm? I mentor a high school robotics team and someone who could explain this as well as you do, would be huge. Thanks for the great content.

  • @roberth1687
    @roberth1687 6 років тому

    Nice to see that link between quaternions and scalar/cross product. But it's not the only derivation of the scalar product. You could derive it through vector calculation as well (see: orthogonal projection).

  • @EngineerNick
    @EngineerNick 2 роки тому

    Thankyou I found this very helpful :)

  • @MaxKawula
    @MaxKawula 11 місяців тому

    well explained, very help

  • @ominollo
    @ominollo 2 роки тому

    Great explanation 👌

  • @arghachakraborty7088
    @arghachakraborty7088 2 місяці тому

    I do not understand why v1xv2 = -v2xv1 in the context of the video.
    Also why did we define the cross prod as the cross prod 7:00

  • @styfen90
    @styfen90 6 років тому

    Thank you for this great video

  • @janApen
    @janApen 7 років тому +4

    I'm in grade 12 and i'm loveing this.

  • @sdmartens22
    @sdmartens22 8 років тому +5

    From your geometric algebra videos, the quaternion multiplication restricted to scalars zero corresponds to the geometric product with the dot product negated and the cross product in place of the wedge product. Thanks for the great content, i was wondering what programs and audio hardware do you use to make your videos?

    • @Math_oma
      @Math_oma  8 років тому +3

      +Shannon Martens
      Indeed, this is a good observation. The quaternions, as I'll get to in my geometric algebra series, are merely a subalgebra of G(3), namely the even subalgebra (scalars and bivectors only). Quaternions, complex numbers, split-complex numbers are all groping toward the same mathematical concept.
      I use an external microphone for my recent videos (compare to my old set theory videos), Open Broadcast Software to capture the screen and record audio, and SmoothDraw 4 with a Wacom tablet to write.

    • @Math_oma
      @Math_oma  8 років тому +1

      And I use VideoPad to edit the video, but the editing is very rudimentary.

  • @TheNewPhysics
    @TheNewPhysics 2 роки тому

    What is the quaternion representation of a rotation in 4D (e.g. spacetime rotation)?

  • @harishgurusamy1044
    @harishgurusamy1044 3 роки тому

    Nice vid!! However, I wondered how u extract the dot and cross products of octonions and split-octonions. I think it would be the same procedure with the quaternions but.....

  • @rupabasu4261
    @rupabasu4261 5 років тому

    Can anyone explain how the i,j,k componemts were taken in common to simplify the vector part

  • @BlendingEdge
    @BlendingEdge 6 років тому

    Is there such thing as “Cross Product” of two quaternions ? Or is there only “Multiplication" of two quaternions which is defined as described in this video?

    • @Math_oma
      @Math_oma  6 років тому

      +Blending Edge
      Cross product only makes sense in R^3 and quaternions are not R^3.

    • @BlendingEdge
      @BlendingEdge 6 років тому +1

      @@Math_oma From what I gather the “Cross Product” makes sense only in 3 and 7 dimensions actually. (I didn’t expect that quaternions have a CP, btw, but only wanted to confirm that’s the case as I just started learning about quaternions).

  • @1conscience0dimension
    @1conscience0dimension 4 роки тому

    and all this already existed by nature

  • @jorgejimenez4325
    @jorgejimenez4325 5 років тому

    This is cool, but i don't see how it shows anything. How is this i-j-k business connected to the linear algebra we have now? How was this derivation of the cross product with these weird imaginary definitions translated into linear algebra, and how does this all connect back to perpendicular vectors and the area of parallelograms?