Voyager Reviewed! (by a pedant) S6E21.5: ELITE FORCE
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- "Hazard Team" is terrible branding. What about "Conflict Resolution" or "The Oopsie Poopsie Squad"?
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Today's Thought Experiment: There are A LOT of Star Trek games, but are there ENOUGH Star Trek games? The brass back at the academy say no. Give me your best standalone (Neelix's Mess Hall Simulator) or collaboration (Will Riker DLC for Trombone Champ) ideas.
I made a separate comment, but hopping on this comment to recommend exploring the Voyager extended storylines from Star Trek Online.
There are a lot of Trek games, but very few are any good. Elite Force is one, 25th Anniversary, Armada 2 and that DS9 3rd person game
An open world game where you get trapped in the holodeck. It's set in all of Tom "Dick" Paris's assorted holodeck programs. Misogyny pub, Paxau, Fair Haven, Proton Land, all of it. Maybe throw in Barclay's Voyager just for giggles.
Pitch ideas:
Quark's Holosuite Minigames.
Leisure Suit Harry
Street Fighter Tsunkatse
Dr Doctor (based off Dr Mario)
A Star Trek style Five Nights at Freddy's game where you deal with normally friendly Holodeck characters that go psycho
The end slate with Tom is representative of a majority of my time playing this game
This is such an unexpected bonus episode. Elite stuff. ❤
I'm so glad you covered this game. And I'm also glad you maintained the timeline where you save everyone, as this is a game where numerous side characters can live or die based on your actions, and that might not be apparent on a first playthrough. If you haven't played it yet, I highly recommend the Virtual Voyager expansion, as it's set just before the last mission and fills in a lot of background details about the characters (including whats going on with foster at this time), and provides a neat recreation of most of the ship that might be fun to compare to your schematics.
I fiddled with Virtual Voyager to get the backdrops for the Space Dog skits. A fun little diversion.
Can you go on a rampage, like GTA-style, in this Virtual Voyager?
@@silkwesir1444 Yes. And one of the goals of the mode is to collect weapons that have been strewn about the ship in various quarters, lockers and cargo holds, so you have the firepower to go nuts. It doesn't last long, as security will quickly overwhelm you, but it can be fun for a few seconds at least. You can also blow the ship up by fiddling with consoles on the bridge, if you want to take everyone with you.
This was one of my fave games as a teenager, although 7’s low polygon proportions were genuinely freaky
I remember this 😂 we used to say that everyone was blocky and no one had a face 😂
God damn, didn't expect this. Elite Force is a banger
I enjoyed it when it came out. Oddly enough I can't play FPS games due to motion sickness but I usually managed with this one.
Loved this game back in the day.
As well as Chell, we also briefly saw Jurot in “Counterpoint” although she may have died, as Janeway said she didn’t have a Betazoid in “Dragon’s Teeth”.
You’d think the Hazard suits would be department colour coded, as even their exercise outfits are.
I like the inclusion of the Terran Empire, although it really doesn’t matter in any important way, probably because the Voyager crew has found half the Alpha Quadrant at this point so the mirror Alpha Quadrant is hardly a blip on their radar.
Lol. You started with ; "Yes, I know this isnt what you were expecting..." Ha, this is a holidays gift for me. Thank you.
I didn't expect this and I'm happy to see it.
Crazy to think it's been 23 years since this game came out. I remember getting it for Christmas in 2000.
Jurot was also a character mentioned in the series. In the one where telepathic crew members had to hide form the space Nazis in the transporter, She was one of the ones Janeway claimed to have died in (iirc) a s shuttle accident.
I remember doing to Tuvok like you were doing to Paris (a classic Elite Force thing to do to NPCs). If you did with Tuvok enough times, he'd tell you to be quiet :P.
Aye, Jurot was technically in 'Counterpoint', but is only seen from behind in the show. Chatty Blue Lad is the proper throwback. Even got the actor in to do the lines.
@@Unlimited_Lives Vorik is also in there, voiced by his original actor, though he's only a background character and that actor has a much larger role as the demolitions expert Chang.
The fact that the giant doesn't explode things is the only reason Janeway didn't try to keep it and put it next to the warp core.
7:56 I never noticed that there was a chunk of a Constitution Refit in that when I first played it.
This was one of the first games I streamed on my twitch channel, and it's how I learned how to sort of use OBS to stream older games. Glad to see I am not the only one giving it some love.
Curiously enough, I used OBS to capture it so we likely went through the same learning curve. The 'game bar' screen capture built into Windows was giving too low quality recordings for my liking.
Thank you for including Elite Force! I was in my mid to late teens when Voyager, and thus, this, came out, and as a fan of both Star Trek and the Doom and Quake franchises, I was ecstatic to have a Star Trek game built on the Quake engine and formula. Like you, I was aware that it didn't have the best production quality, but I didn't care. I loved every second of it. I've gone back and played the game several times over the years, and it's brought a smile to my face each time. This was a staple of my last few years of childhood, and I look back on it fondly.
Bro, this is amazing! I think you should legit consider when you finish the Voyager series, potentially exploring the expanded storylines created in Star Trek Online. I believe you would be thoroughly pleased with how they've followed up on some of the loose ends the show left hanging.
Might give you a buffer to create some truly unique content while contemplating your next big steps after Voyager wraps up. I'd bet there's a good half a dozen episodes worth of stories in STO if you go that route.
A good idea, but perhaps one that'll take more of a time investment than I have. Will investigate...
@Unlimited_Lives if you have real interest in exploring it, I'm pretty experienced with the game and wouldn't mind offering to help in some way. STO stories are broken up into episodes consisting of chapters(missions) - if you take your time, each mission can run about 30-60 mins and they do have a lot of original voice acting by the original actors.
In particular, their Delta Rising episode has a lot of followup material on the mess Voyager left behind in the Delta quadrant, and the Voth have their own full episode.
I'll stop trying to sell you on the idea, but yea, would be happy to offer some help or thoughts if you go down that route.
"Generously described as complete dog shit" I love it
NOOOOOO, I'm finally caught up on your channel after binging it for the last two weeks!
Commiserations/congratulations (delete as appropriate).
On the plus side: new video in 9 hours and 13 minutes!
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Unexpected but fully welcome
Don't shoot! I'm with the Hazard Team!
One of my favorite childhood games. A few fun facts:
Starfleet does adopt Tuvok's idea in Elite Force 2
If you noclip in the final level, you can see both Vohrsoth's. The throne one is where he's supposed to be, and the one you fight is hidden in a out of bounds area just behind it. And just behind THAT is Voyager's bridge for the final cutscene.
Some of the named crew are named after the developers. Jeffrey Dischler, one of the Art Director's is on Deck 15 in the Virtual Voyager mode, also Kenneth Lathrop, and Thomas Odell, a Lead Programmer and member of the QA team guys are on the Hazard Team.
Ah yes. The game that concentrates Voyager's abuse of the 'iso' prefix into an artform.
I must refrain from this episode for now.
I wasn’t aware this was a thing and as such, I am going to thing it up hard then come back.
I don’t want any spoilers.
It's only got a 6 hour-ish playtime, and I think it's worth that much of your life. It's also currently on the GOG festive sale too I think, so you can rescue a pair of cephalopods¹.
¹save a couple of squid²
²quid³
³unit of currency
@@Unlimited_Lives really pounded that analogy down, eh? 🙃
0:38 says a self described pedant...
Kettle, meet Pot!
I got this on release for pc! Back before i was a console peasant. If i remember correctly, they didnt have Jeri Ryans voice in to begin with. It was added later with a patch. I still own a copy of the game on PS2, but its hard on the eyes these days.
Im surprised the last sequence bothering Tom Paris didnt end with a phaser sound and a space dog laugh.
Video games provide such experiences (a quick save and load is a small price)
"Better than Nemesis."
That's like saying a disease is better than Ebola.
Always nice to see more non-humanoid aliens in Star Trek.
Janeway: "Where are we?"
Tuvok: "Apparently we are 'here'. But until we get our sensors back online it will be difficult to ascertain where 'here' is."
Janeway (looking in disbelief at Tuvok, then turning to Chakotay): "Chakotay, immediately find who told Tim to say that line and take them to the firing squad on Deck 2. I hear there is a new weapon worth trying. Also, find out why Jeri is trying to speak like Darth Vader".
Fun game, but it was hard to play. I had a 16MB PNY video card, 32MB RAM, and a 200MHz CPU. Each level took about 5min to load. Also, until I replayed this about a year ago I actually thought there was a different voice actor for Seven as she is always speaking so deeply. I don't remember when I first played this (I don't think the computer was too horribly out of date though) I tried going to the links that were put into the Start menu by the installer. Well they either mistyped the URL shortcut or they lost the domain because it was a porn site. That would have been traumatic on its own because this was long before I looked for porn deliberately, but my mother just happened to be right behind me when I went to that site. She kicked me out of the room in a hurry so she could close the webpage lol.
Re: the Seven voice acting stuff...
Your younger self was correct. The original release had a different voice actor, as Jeri Ryan had other commitments at the time. An expansion pack added Ryan's voice later. When you played it a year back, I'm guessing you probably picked up the complete version (on GOG if you're anything like me and can't be arsed with fiddling). That'll account for it being different to what you remembered.
I had this game once but I lost it, I clearly recall the exact place on shelving unit where it lived. However I upgraded my furniture from Argos DIY cloth stuff to IKEA DIY plywood to reflect the fact that I’d gone from almost not paid at all to merely poorly paid so this fact isn’t particularly useful. The fact that I am not a gamer and had no idea what so ever what I was doing along with the fact my PC was as stable as that Argos furniture kind of hampered my interest so it sat on that shelf until the shelf no longer existed. I wish I still had it.
Tis but £6.29 on GOG.com currently for a fully patched download, which is also significantly easier than getting disc copies of old games to work these days.
If you've no real interest in the pew-pew, there's a virtual tour mode where you get to look around Voyager locations too.
This is a surprise. I played EF back in the day. I remember one of the devs - the 3d modeler - complaining on the official forum that while modeled all of the bodies he wasn't allowed to model the heads. He wasn't happy about that. So if any of the heads look off to you don't blame him.
I can't believe you missed an opportunity to say "Game Over" at the end.
Oh thank you for the helpful information.
If only we could get a proper remaster or even remake of this classic game...
Excellent review! Now you have to get the sequel!
Pencilled in for when we finish TNG reviews. That'll be multiple years yet though.
Star Trek: Quark's Holosuite manager.
Five Nights at Quarks. Being a night guard at a Quarks as malfunctioning holograms try to kill you.
Or even animatronics, as maybe Quark tried bringing those back if he thought he could get rich off it.
I was actually hoping you would review this, as it was structured like a Voyager episode, complete with cold open, intro and logs. I actually still play this game today, 23 years later, and they're still some bastards on the multiplayer servers to frag. Some servers are modded, so you get ramped up gameplay with features like rapid fire, grenade wars and bouncing photons.
Holy F, what a surprise if a review
What a Christmas surprise!
Reminded me of S7 E15 The Void
This and Star Trek Armada were two great games. Played many hours on both
Star Trek Action Pack. : )
I was a Birth of the Federation boy myself...
That's really fun! When you get around to reviewing TNG, I'd really like to see you review Star Trek Resurgence right after The Last Outpost
Fact checking our Captain:
1) According to this DNA scan, you actually _are_ my mum.
2) It’s canon that you can reconfigure consoles to be other consoles, so this was an _active choice_ to not allow those three consoles to be switched from their normal location. Security reasons or something?
3) Not a mistake you made, but “Acces Granted” at 3:07 is so silly. Wait, oh no, the ship’s gone to Bule Allert!
4) Anyway I’d like an XL Double Stacked Hasperat Meal, with tevmel and gagh as sides, and an Altarian tea. Wait, no… a Slug-o-Cola. I still can’t work out how it’s slimy and fizzy at the same time, and I love it!
5) Alright my ADHD has now overridden my autism (priority gamma-four-delta) and I’m going to watch the other 24 minutes later and try out this newly-on-the-Switch game Grounded, which is basically “Honey I Shrunk the Kids” as a survival game.
6) I’ve been waiting for my meal for 35 minutes, dude, what gives? This place is less packed than the mess hall on “Leola Casserole Saturdays”.
One thing I did remember about this one, you could shoot Neelix.Thats a bonus.
Tom….. Tom……. Tom……….. Tom…….
This made it 10x funnier
I loved this game and played the multiplayer for years. So glad you made a video about it.
You are totally wrong about Biessman tho. He was great. He was also voiced by the same actor as Biff from the back to the future movies.
In the multiplayer you could play as the doctor and he had the best taunt. "Would you like and analgesic cream?" Just imagine that spammed over and over in a match. Ah memories 😂
have you played
Star Trek: Elite Force II
I did back in the day, though have little memory of it. May end up doing the same as a post-TNG treat when we do those.
7 of 9 Tertiary Polygons of Unimatrix 01.
Thanks. I never saw this game. As i was too old for video games but this was fun just for the gatekeeper twats line
This game was so much fun!
Loved this game. I still have my copy of it. Though I don’t have a way to load it on my current computer since it doesn’t have a CD rom
You can still get USB DVD drives... :D
Aye matey. Join us on the high seas.
Lol, it becomes the weirdest story ever in this format.
a rare treat
I loved that game in my early teens.
Arent those phaser rifle effects on the sights supposed to be blue?
1. This FPS could be called Star Trek: The Rainbow Colored Pooping Party.
I-Mod: Poop purple.
Stasis weapon: Poop blue.
Tetryon pulse disruptor: Poop green.
Grenade launcher: Poop yellow.
Phaser: Poop orange.
Scavenger gun: Poop red.
2. Everybody knows that on Voyager, you have to behave badly to get promoted. Look at Tuvok (contacted the Vidiians, made LCDR) and B'Elanna (slugged Carey, promoted to chief engineer). If Harry had taken a swing at Tuvok or Chakotay, he'd have probably made lieutenant as well.
3. 4800-hour Destiny player here... I thought Dinklage's turn as Ghost was nicely understated, with sort of a cool Han Solo vibe. Nolan North was more C-3PO-ish. His chief advantage over Dinklage was that he was available for DLC's and updates.
Some of those face texture mods are absolutely cursed
This does look like an interesting game. I'm not sure how well marketed it was because I don't recall having heard of it until I saw an LP of it what seems like about ten years ago now. From what I understand, it did well enough to get a sequel at some point, so I'm guessing that my not having heard of it is mostly because I'm not really into PC games or FPSes.
This was another fun review. It's interesting to see where it might fit within the series. I also liked the "Hey Tom." stinger at the end.
Aw crap I never saw this one. I played the one where you were Chell. It had nicer opengl graphics and run in Windows. It looked semi-realistic and felt as if I was actually running around those corridors.
Why does Seven have a 5 o'clock shadow?
So many angles and pointy bits.
well, THIS was unexpected.
i only recently got this from GOG and blasted through it, kinda fun
Gotta tell ya bud, real confused at about 21:20 when you say "we shoot them" instead of pooping at them.
Nice surprise 😁👍
This was one of my favorite games
Nice goin' Munroe.
So how long till you're reading for audio books?
If it's on Memory Alpha, that's good enough for me.
And even if it wasn't, who cares?
I would have said the game isn't canon, but, if it's on Memory Alpha...
screw it, close enough, it's canon.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I honestly never understood the hate Peter Dinklage got for his role in Destiny.
I though he was fine in most of it. Yes it was a dry monotone performance but I thought that fit the Ghost quite well, and there is nobody on the planet who can make "That wizard came from the moon" work as a line. No not even Tim Curry with his 5 million strength ham power.
Biessman is voiced by Thomas F Wilson, playing the character as "Biff Tannen in Starfleet".
I doubt the game is canon as the hazard team is never mentioned in the show, the I-mod weapon is never used, etc. EF2 startes out in the episode "Endgame" with its segment to free Voyager from the sphere taking place over some time, while in the episode it's suggested that pat was a couple of minutes. Is EF2 better? Graphically, much better. More dialog, Picard has a large rile on the game, Barclay shows up too. Tony Todd plays a Klingon in Starfleet. Play-wise the game is similar, being on the next-gen version of the same engine. Plot isn't really anything new, just Romulans being Romulans. No female option for Munro, I guess they were too scared to have girl-on-girl dialog trees for the romance options.
Tom
Tom
I did play this till the end, a rare event for me as I have attention span of a........
Kim's face being slim makes him even more generic.
I'm torn between Bravester and Spikey tit ship. 🤔
I played this when it came out, as far as I recall, it worked pretty well with little or not AI problems. I wonder if the version you have wasn't playing nice? Yes, it wasn't revolutionary but it was a nice addition to Star Trek, although I was not as impressed with the second one, I seem to remember feeling Elite Force 2 wasa far more limited game.
Ah the grenade /mine launcher was my favourite, mostly for the chaos.
I was watching a speedrun of this game (was surprised to find one). The speedrunner had the same problem with that elevator in the Dreadnought that I did. I would say its safe to assume its a common bug lol.
Also, someone pointed out in the comments that it is faster to backtrack to sickbay to pick up a hypospray to knock the Herogin out instantly than to break the armor 3 times. That saves about a minute if I recall.
I do appreciate they added the option to choose gender (which unfortunately wasn't terribly common back in those days). But I did noticed that while everyone else has flat faces (minus the nose), they took the extra time and polygons to render lips on Seven's face. And her other proportions are...exaggerated. Couldn't have a game without the low-poly horniness I see.
I did enjoy you annoying the shit out of Tom at the end though.
Yeah, that's unfortunate but not unexpected. If there's a single place on Earth more misogynistic that Hollywood, it's probably game development.
With regard to cannon, i want to be understanding but in general, i think in science fiction, cannon matters. We're altering the way the world works for fiction (which is fine by me), so your readers need to feel like they have a concrete undersranding of how the rules are different or else it may as well be science fantasy, where anything can happen just cus. A good example is "The Expanse", where most things are inline with how we'd expect the future to look like, aside from some major advances in engine efficiency that we wouldn't have guessed. And when alien tech is introduced that DOESN'T follow rules we think of as fundamental physics, the characters in the show are amazed/scared/interested as befits their personality. It works because we know how the human tech behaves, and when alien tech is in the mix, we know all bets are off.
Star Trek as far back as TOS has annoyed me frequently by having loose world rules, like beaming through shields being fine sometimes, but not others. It means if the episode hasn't clearly stated a problem's rules (planet storms cause no transporters outside of small windows, for example) i rarely feel the tension we're supposed to feel when tech might turn around and solve the day because a writer broke an in universe rule for the ease of there story
I genuinly enjoyed this game and wish they had made more use of it later in episdoes. Introducing the infinty modulator in some of the borg episodes and seeing the borg figure out how to addapt to it could have been intersting
My biggest critisism has to be Tuvok, this game just makes him very annoying and overbearing to the point where I "accidently" vaporised him on multipul occasions. Given how much I generally like Tuvok on the show (and for that matter Tim Russ in general and anything he turns his hand to) it just felt badly done.
Is it me or does Harry Kim look like a clone of Elon Musk? 🤔
Tom. 😉
You saved Neelix.
Ok I'm out of here.
I saved TUVOK. Neelix was just in the same room.
@@Unlimited_Lives you know how Tuvok feels about Neelix: is it normal for people having a murder simulator? Thinking about it, with Neelix probably yes... but that's not the point. Just shoot him and say "You owe me a favor". He will probably answer "My favor is I'm not going to report you", and all goes fine and dandy...
Tom
Don't do games. I don't want games. Do Voyager episodes. I want Voyager episodes.
OK, apparently I'm the only one. The majority has spoken. Do the game.
Well, the good news for you is that this is the only one I'm aware of that'd qualify as an episode. Elite Force 2 might be fun to do at the end of TNG I guess, but it's not part of the run in the same way this was.