“Nones” Rediscovering the Bible
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- Friends, an exciting group of psychologists, scientists, and thought leaders are rediscovering the beauty and brilliance of the Bible.
What’s causing so many of them to look at the Bible with fresh eyes? That’s what Brandon Vogt and I discuss on today’s “Word on Fire Show” episode, with the help of a new book by Justin Brierley, titled “The Surprising Rebirth of Belief In God: Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again.”
A listener asks, how can Jesus be, at the same time, a God and a human being since God’s nature and human nature have many differences?
00:00 | Intro
01:10 | Bishop Barron's brief Synod overview
02:35 | Bishop Barron's time at ARC Conference
03:28 | Justin Brierley-“The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God”
04:04 | How New Atheists misread the Bible
05:58 | Does silence on science disprove the Bible?
09:26 | Jonathan Haidt and the approaches of the New Thinkers
12:46 | Jordan Peterson and the Bible's psychological brilliance
18:26 | Why Peterson’s approach to the Gospels attracts seekers
22:22 | Did Jesus of Nazareth really exist?
24:46 | Why the Bible’s historicity and variety both matter
28:19 | Listener question
30:54 | New Spark book-“The Golden Key and Other Fairy Tales”
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I'm catholic.
Italian.
And being asked by Jordan Peterson is definitely an achievement.
You dear bishop are the light that a lot of people are in need this time in history.
When I was an atheist I always loved literature. The deeper and deeper I dug into literature, the more aversion I developed towards cheap culture. The Bible became hard to look away from, and when I finally sat down and actually read Genesis I was floored by the sophistication in some parts. I actually went and bought Benedict XVI’s book on it.
I started RCIA classes some year and a half after that. But I’ve been interested and reading the Bible for a decade now.
Well, you chose one of the greatest teachers on the topic 🤓 I mean BXVI 🧡💚💛 Greetings from Italy
Now that is epic
Holy moly
People today are hopeless. The Bible is the story of how God, THE God, entered our reality, ultimately as one of us, to save us from hopelessness and despair with no strings attached. It seems like the perfect medicine for our world.
Pray for me this Thanksgiving, these past three years have been difficult on me. Jesus give me guidance come back soon. I don’t know how much longer I can hold on. I’m so tired of struggling every month to get by. As a single mom things are hard on me both of my sons are autistic and I’m constantly struggling to provide the basic necessities for them I’m so ashamed. Lord heal me. I suffered an heart attack two years ago and still battling lupus I’m so overwhelmed. Give me strength Lord as I constantly struggle to pay bills and constantly struggle to buy groceries for my children. BUT no matter what I KEEP FAITH. Even though I want to give up. Jesus please take the fear of homelessness from my heart. Please save me and my children from poverty. ❤
I will add you to my daily praying of the Rosary that Mother Mary will guide and help you. Also, I will ask St. Jude to help you.
Dominus vobiscum.
Matthew 6:5-6
Praying for you
I will pray for you.
I will pray for you. You are always under His care!
Peterson Is the reason I found you and I am thankful for it every day. God bless you and the word on fire team.
From my own experience it is important to go to church and to go through the motions - meet Christian people and listen - and even if you don’t truly FEEL Christian beyond trying to be - keep going and just enjoy things at even that level… Because I experienced a powerful epiphany out of the blue after a few years regularly going and helping out at an Anglican church in the States…
Now I am a devout Christian in personal contact with our Lord through prayer and Christian meditation - and I am the most profoundly changed man!
From disinterested agnostic to total believer (at 57) - and my word this a journey I cannot recommend highly enough to anyone not yet a believer.
I do think you have to choose - but then be chosen back - and this is some kind of powerful enigma…
I pray for anyone who can make the effort.
Same here. God Blessed you.
@@Nail56😂😂
God Bless
@@timetheory84 Anglican comes from the Church of England (headed by the Archbishop of Canterbury). When the war of independence happened in the USA, Americans didn’t like the word “Anglican” so much, so they changed their version to Episcopalian…
To make it more complicated “Anglican” is still the name used by Central and South America - and most of the other many countries that have Anglicanism ever since Britain was such an Empire around the world…
Having said this - to make it much more complicated and sad right now - since last February - a huge amount of world Anglicans have split away from the mother Church in England - because of anger/sadness/rejection at the way the current leadership in England has perverted the gospel mission in order to try to fit the Church in with the woke/progressive/perversion of British secular and Godless culture…
In Britain and the secular (woke) West, much like the Catholic Church in Europe, the Anglican Church is dwindling in numbers fast - so the Canterbury leadership is NOT teaching the word of God, seemingly, so well…!!!
So, this break away group (adhering to the TRUE nature of the Gospel) of something like 85% of world Anglicans is presently called GAFCON… and it is to this majority group that many traditional Christians like me - even in England - look to in the hope of proper non-perverted leadership in a manner strictly adherent to the Gospels and the Bible.
It is a sad situation… but proper Anglicanism will we pray return to the (warped) British Isles in the future - and Gospel Christianity will one day flourish again in our lands.
Hope this helps.
Two sets of "Anglicans": (1) those formerly associated with the Church of England but now (mostly in Africa) estranged and (2) a group of dissident Episcopalians who've split off and formed their own dioceses. These last are loosely associated with the African Anglicans.
A great episode! The New Atheist Movement is coming apart. The latest shocking revelation is Ayaan Hirsi Ali converting to Christianity!
Thank you Father and brother.
So happy you're back home safely. Get well and God Bless.
I thought this was about "Nones," the midafternoon prayer.. Oh well. Thanks for your calm handling of the actual topic.
Blessed Happy Birthday Bishop Barron!!!
Excellent episode. I have been somewhat unsure of what to make of Peterson, et al. This conversation has helped me with that. And it confirms for me the value of bishop Barron engaging with those thinkers.
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for all the amazing work you do!
Einstein: "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible"
Love this
“I have come home at last! This is my real country! I belong here. This is the land I have been looking for all my life, though I never knew it till now...Come further up, come further in!”
― C.S. Lewis, The Last Battle
An excellent presentation ....well done in such a short time.
Thank you both , I’m just so glad that you’re back home. I don’t do well when you’re away? 🤦🏼♀️
People are always searching for the truth. The real self evident truth given to us by God will only satisfy their needs.
Thank you Brandon Vot and Bishop Barron once again a wonderful, succinct and beautiful presentation of the light needed for our difficult times.
Interesting that topics here are relating to my own life journey. I have been away from the Catholic Church for 15 years now, exploring other possibilties to explain the meaning of life. I’ve learned a great deal. Mainly, by Gods grace alone can one exprience God. I pray for wisdom and clarity moving forward. I also just ordered the New American Bible from Amazon again 😊
Please pray for me and my brother for Success in our Chartered Accountancy Final exam. Catholic from India 🇮🇳. Thank you Bishop. Your message is spreading here in India.
Prayers out for you. My brother will be taking his soon.
@@Lerian_V Thank you. All the best to you both as well. 🙏
Back when I was a student, another girl who was studying Hebrew once told me that ancient Hebrew did not have words for abstractions, so the writers of the Bible had to resort to metaphors instead. E.g., instead of talking about God’s protection, they used images like the shelter of his wings, or a mighty fortress. It took me a moment to wrap my mind around the idea of a language without abstract terms, but I think it says a lot about God.
Neither of these posts is accurate when it comes to Hebrew. The Hebrew language in the ancient world had far more words than are attested in the Hebrew Bible. remember that what we have that remains is only about one book length, while we have much more Greek literature preserved. Also, the Hebrew writing system does not have vowels, but the language certainly does, and those who spoke Hebrew used some of the consonantal signs to do double duty as vowels. As regards abstract words, there are certainly abstract concepts in Hebrew, such as justice, mercy, covenant love, faithfulness, etc. They often wrote in poetic language, or poetry, proper, and so of course they used metaphors. You need to pay attention to the genre that they are writing. The psalms, for example, are entirely poetry, and so is much of the prophetic literature. I teach Biblical Hebrew and am constantly running across these kinds of oversimplifications or misunderstandings.
@@russellmiles2861 There are no “primitive” languages. metaphorical language is simply human. And it is often found in poetic literature across cultures. In regard to the Hebrews, I would agree that they did not view crimes as being against the state. That is a very modern point of view, but I would argue that it is not a better point of view. I know the enlightenment philosophers thought it was, but what ends up happening is that the state becomes the ultimate authority to whom one owes ultimate allegiance. It coincides with the turning away from God. Just consider how much today’s modern states invade every aspect of one’s life and demand jurisdiction even within the home. In ancient societies there are levels of social and political organization but the rulers at the top rarely interfere in daily life. So, for example, there is a certain exercise of authority within a household, then, within a village, perhaps, a tribe, perhaps a city. During Israel’s monarchy, the king exercised a certain kind of authority, but not at the level of daily life. Instead, there was a sense of a common ethos, custom and local authority. Another factor is the fact that crimes are seen ultimately as being against God, not the state. I believe there are many reasons to prefer this way of looking at things.
While it is true that the Sixth Commandment just uses the general term to kill, if you look further, say in chapter 21 of Exodus, there are many distinctions made between penalties for different kinds of killing. These correspond well with our conceptions of first and second-degree murder or manslaughter. You may find accounts of people simply carrying out vengeance because of kinship ties in the Bible, but there are also commands that undercut that. For example, cities of refuge are set up for those who have accidentally killed, but who may be hunted by family members. In other words, just because the word “murder” is lacking does not mean the concept is.
I would avoid the idea that somehow the people in the past were less complex, intelligent, thoughtful, and insightful. My mission as an Old Testament professor has been to try to dispel that mythology.
@@russellmiles2861 Again, read Deuteronomy 19:4-13 and Exodus 21:12-14. Intentional killing and accidental killing are clearly distinguished. And while there may not be a.”state,” there are political entities that must carry out these commandments. I agree that the crime is not considered to be against the state, but isn’t it better if the crime is considered to be against the person or the family? Or against God? Again, I simply do not believe that it is the state that must receive ultimate allegiance and exercise ultimate authority.
Indeed, languages tend to become less complex, not more.
@@russellmiles2861 The cities of refuge are set up as protection against (hot-headed) vengeance for unintentional killing. If it is determined that killing was intentional, then a person may be removed from the city of refuge and put to death. The intent is to prevent the shedding of innocent blood, Deut 19:10. I would also call attention to the fact that in Deuteronomy 17:8, there is a command to set up places where cases can be judged, as to what kind of homicide one is dealing with. In that case, the priests and appointed judges are the ones to determine the outcome. It is true there is no state in the sense of a modern administrative state, but that does not mean that the same principles did not apply. There were distinctions between intentional and accidental killing, and there were officials who could make impartial judgments. I think it is good not to get hung up on thinking that the only possible arrangement is to have a modern administrative state. For one thing, such a state apparatus is not even possible without vast wealth and long-term sustained food surplus, even in the modern period. That does not mean that communities could not be well organized and carry out justice.
Another thing to watch out for is the issue of translation. There is never a one to one correspondence between vocabulary from one language to another. One must look beyond the lexical range of meanings of a word to the context within the larger text. There you will find that there are some kinds of killing that are liable for the death penalty, and some that are not. The OT is much more nuanced than the lexical meanings of words.
Gracias a los dos un gran programa! Lleno de esperanza
Thank you Bishop Robert Barron for so concretely addressing these reoccurring thorny topics. Hope you have a blessed Thanksgiving.
WONDERFUL presentation & q&a. THANK you all. Happy Birthday, again, Bishop Barron.
Never give up keep moving forward God doesn’t abandon us.
Really appreciate listening to this channel.
Bishop barren , ive been busy missed some videos of yours, listening to you enjoyig a cup of coffie 😊
On the topic of the book of Jonah… I highly recommend the Word of Fire book from Fr. Paul Murray about the book of Jonah. I read it on an outbound flight recently. And read it again on the inbound flight. I owe an apology to fellow passengers for my regular roars of laughter, almost on every page. A small gem of a book.
"The Church never asks us to abandon our minds, our logical intuitions when accepting the dogmas of the Faith." *- Bishop Robert Barron*
Love this! I will share this with my prodigal sons and their wonderful fiancees🙏❤🙏
I'm so grateful for this wonderful content, thank you.
Blessed Thanksgiving Bishop Barron 🙏🏽🙏🏽🦃
"If you don't stand your ground, then all that happens is people push you backwards." *- Jordan Peterson*
I agree, Peterson should keep going. He is unveiling the Bible to us which the Church has failed to do. Bridging a shallow homily with the immensely deep symbolism as receiving the Eucharist takes a massive leap of faith. Peterson is shortening that leap for us. Thank God for that.
Thank you
You might want to get someone to look out for these bot accounts that are using a prosperity gospel type message.
Yeah
KEEP GOING!
Bible As History another useful readable resource on the historicity of the Bible. The main 2 i remember (read 10-15 yrs ago) was the Star of Bethlehem is verifiable through historical mapping of stars. And the 3 sided pool at Siloam which some thought may have been a "typo" by an early Bible copyist has been found by archaeologists
I chuckled and felt victorious at that intro of comparing historic figures to our Blessed Lord. Praise God!
It was a smart move by him to show that many people actually are ignoring Christ, who came after these two well-known people, and for whom much less written about. It’s ironic.
I had a very similar experience, Peterson to Bishop Barron, and Bishop to the Church, got confirmed at Easter
Interesting point about Jordan’s Kantian perspective. I was a firm Kantian when I first discovered his maps of meaning psychology lectures some years ago now, but I think I took to them so quickly because of my own Kantian perspective. I am now a proud crucifix wearing Thomist.
3:40-3:45
I don’t think new atheism grew old. I think its natural progression is the postmodernism we see (when someone said that I haven’t forgotten it).
Also I think some people are reconsidering Christianity because they see what happens when we try and get rid of it (the result being the extreme liberalism and demonic-ness seen in the culture). They see it’s necessary to have Christianity for its moral structure.
Yes - and even if this is a first reason to get up of a Sunday at 10am and sit in your beautiful and humble parish church and MEET and speak to Christians who may believe more in this Faith than you as yet do - … For, sometimes in a powerful manner God then reaches down to you and hits this ignition switch which floods you with a powerful metamorphosis in life that you were never expecting for it’s incredibly beautiful sense of joy and power…
This happened to me at 57 after a life of complete selfish sin and agnosticism (in that I didn’t even think these things even mattered (or existed I mean) as much as a few pints and meeting the next hot woman.. or messing around and “having fun”….
So, if I of all people can get saved so dramatically through His mercy and grace, there must be millions more deserving than me!)…
It happened.
It truly did - and took about 3 days (for the most part) for the penny to drop…
After some time of serious repentance and coming to terms, I write this as a hugely devout Christian of enormous thanks and praise…
God the Father through Christ purposefully saved my life - I made the few right steps and said the prayers along with these obviously lovely people around me - and I listened and watched for some time - started to help out at the church out of willing instinct - and was happy to think that maybe this was “it”!
It seemed enough in itself!
And then this event happened like a rocket ship… I’m still on that trip!
It’s just amazing…
He is too much!
He’ll do anything for you…
We live forever - we truly do…
“Only the impossible is real”!
Only the miracle is real…
God Bless anyone who makes the effort - it is not something you should hold off - just do it.
🙏👋🍻
Demonic activity happens when freedom is n exercised for the sake of freedom, yes.
Freedom ought to be directed to the good, freedom is a means to an end and cannot itself cannot be an end.
Love the fire here! Forget about Bronze Age, I’ve heard it smugly hand waved away as “Stone Age Philosophy” and always been baffled
Product of the Jordan Peterson effect right here 🙋♂️
went from raised catholic but agnostic about the theology of the tradition, to then diving into the JP debates and lectures. Now I'm back to the faith reading the faith reading the Bishop Barron bible daily (just finished Volume 1) and going to mass weekly
I’m happy for you. How do you deal with doubt, assuming you have some?
I want to get where you are but I stumble on so many inconsistencies and basically really unbelievable stuff. I can’t quiet it. I feel like in order for me to have “faith” I need to suspend my reason and that feels horribly disingenuous.
I really enjoy Bishop Barron. I think he is the first person to help me open up to the idea of faith. I was exposed to Catholicism as a preteen when I got sent to Catholic school for 6th and 7th grade. Prior to that it was church twice a year, if that.
I feel like, because they got me when I was not quite young that they couldn’t make it stick because I wasn’t as gullible maybe.
@@Homeinmygardenwithmydog Thank you, to be honest, I try to take Jordan Peterson's advice of living as if it were true. From there I'm reading the Bishop Barron bible consistently and diving into the tradition of the faith (praying the rosary, going to mass, etc.), and seeing where it all takes me.
Regarding doubt, which part are you referring to? Doubt as to the truth of teachings or the stories themselves?
@@Homeinmygardenwithmydog Volume 1 of the Bishop Barron bible, the Gospels, will definitely help. I just started Volume 2 (acts) and am really enjoying it. They put together a very good product
I just question the veracity of it all. I look at the time that these miracles were said to have occurred and, of course, it is a time when no one could record anything. And, the miracles seem to be what you'd expect a first century Jew to create to try and sell the story.
The Bible is so long ago yet, to me, it seems that the world is still the world. Earth is still Earth. The supernatural is just as unlikely today as it would have been 2-3 thousand years ago.
I have never read the Bible and felt drawn into believing it like so many people do. So, okay, what if it is fictitious? What if it is a load of bull? At this stage of my life, I am not going to Mass and not giving any money to any particular cause so what's the harm?
The harm to me is that I really want to believe in the worst way. I want it to come to me as I believe the sky is blue and the sun is warm, but it doesn't. It seems like it does to other people but, in the back of my mind, I wonder if they are wrestling with a nagging doubt they choose to ignore and never admit to.
@@Homeinmygardenwithmydog Study more, ask questions and have faith.
We are a Bible-In-A-Year congregation, this is a great break down for those learning about how to approach the Bible
1. To add to the importance of the concept of "inviting your fear to tea"...the objective is not to distance yourself from the fear. Rather, the benefit of doing it is that when you invite the fear to a face-to-face sit down and then in that invitation you ask your fear questions like, "what benefit are you providing me?", "what lesson are you teaching me?", while also allowing your various feelings during the conversation to be experience by your person in order to acknowledge them ('I feel anxious with this question', 'I'm tense in my shoulders', I feel like I don't/do want to scream silently into the abyss of dread and doom that lays at the foot of the cave of eternal damnation...', etc), you can then start processing the fear, understanding where in your body it is affecting you, and asking what measures you need to take to move forward without it.
2. The "it's a book of different genres" defense is a bit weak especially given the lofty claim of its inerrancy to form complete confidence in it that isn't meant to be, at heart, questioned.
As I am unraveling more truth in my studies of it, what I am finding is something akin to playing a record backwards and hearing subliminal messages. I think the more ppl are open to seeking and unmasking the truth through the different periods of history that formulated each of those said genres, what will be seen is how the REAL God continually points us toward love, light, and truth even though the writing hands and minds of the varying periods were seeped in muck, manipulation, and a good dose of deception.
I mean...El is not our frigging God yet, deceptively, he prevails even here in Christ's Church as the "Father"...that's frigging crazy.
I think it prudent to ask for you to remember that the inerrancy of Word made Flesh is different than the concept of the Word made book (Islam anyone? Tickets to becoming Islamic temporarily sold here cause that's the belief they hold and weren't not supposed to...get 'em while they're toasty hot...!).
3. That answer you gave about God embodying flesh was a good answer.
I am so thankful for Bishop B. in this time when the church seems befuddled.
Bishop it was amazing to see you in lisboa. You went crazy on these new age thinkers too 😂 praying for you!!!
Jesus,I trust in you.
❤❤❤❤
In the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit Amen.❤❤
I believe in God
&I believe in the Bible.
Very interesting and informative 😮 I'm not a follower of any of the big 3 Abrahamic faiths but love to study this topic and material, very interesting and informative video.
Are you afraid of water?
An open mind is a beautiful thing...
Interesting discussion. I'd love to see Bishop Barron interview a notable Physicist or Mathematician regarding the areas in science that cannot be proven but are accepted by the scientific community.
I would appreciate Bishop Barron interviewing Dr. Wolfgang Smith, a prominent physicist & mathematician.
14:50 I didn't know about this quote but recently in a Bible discussion class, I mentioned that the prophet story we read was written during the Bronze Age--not in a negative sense but as evidence of affirmation!
I first used Hobbes' quote about how nature is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short, where the modus operandi of humans was to survive at any cost, even to lie, cheat, and steal to get food in the stomach.
Then, like a lightning bolt, amongst this perennial violence, God's message comes out of nowhere, showing humans a radical method to escape out of the chaos, culminating with the arrival of Jesus.
The Bronze Age is good evidence for humanity's default mode without God.
Additionally, think about how strong and clever one had to be to survive that. These people were likely more intelligent and observant than modern folks (i.e. that guy crossing the street with his face buried in his phone). Their insights, recorded in the Bible, are permanent gifts to humanity.
Science can't create anything out of nothing but God can and He has all we have including day and night.
Science can only analyse what already exists and combine things that are already exist to make something for the world.
God Bless you all 🙏
Fantastic presentation, ❤ 🙏 🙏 from Liverpool England,
The fact you considered that to be a "fantastic presentation" is a small part of the reason why Christianity is heading towards extinction in England.
@@downenout8705dude trying to stir arguments
@@Saintvanillagorilla Nope, just trying to help doubting intellectually honest Christians wake up to the reality that they don't have good reasons or sufficient evidence to justify their god beliefs.
@@Denis.Collins I don't dismiss the "religious" experiences of Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc, I just don't see any good reason why they attribute their experiences to their particular god.
I am so happy to be here and listening.
Pray for marriage, the family, young people, babies, the unborn.
23:15 onwards. When people have deep doubts about a historical Jesus they should read "Jesus: Person of Interest" by J.Warner Wallace.
For goodness nobody cares about the historicity of some apocalyptic preacher who wandered around the Levant some two thousand years ago and said and did some things that upset the Romans who, as they normally did, killed him.
It's the supernatural stuff that's important and there is absolutely no empirical evidence that any of that magical stuff is true.
@@downenout8705nobody cares? Tell that to the billions of Christians
@@Saintvanillagorilla Just go read 1 Corinthians 15 : 14, that's what your book tells you is important. Without that being true, I say again, nobody cares about the rest.
Bishop Barron, do you know of Paul Kingsnorth? What do you think of his writing? Thank you for your work.
Oh God! So thankful to the Holy Spirit for shading this light through you. I have asked God to have you giving this response while listening to Peterson and others talking about the Bible. I absolutely admire Peterson, but always felt he was lacking the best(and most important) part of the whole picture. And God, Merciful, has let it happen. Praise be to God! Abrazos, from Mexico City ❤
"Stoopid", with two Os :) I find his disdain expressed in that pronunciation funny!
My grandma died a few days ago. She was Orthodox. Are Catholics allowed to pray for her soul?
Definitely.
Amen.
Jesus is Real.
Please get to know John Lennox the world's greatest mathematician alive and has autstanding Christian insight!
Our father never revealed as profoundly as in the latest book by Malcolm Smith, "This Son of Mine" .
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OMIGOD! He;s just like Jesus Christ!
I've used the example of Jonah when trying to talk about how fundamentalists and atheists are the mirror images of each other. They ignore the deeper lesson of the story because they're so caught up in either defending or ridiculing a surface literal reading of the whole thing. It's like reading "Little Red Riding Hood" and mocking the story because wolves can't talk.
Please might you consider finlng time to counter the recent Stephen Fry pontification/bloviation attacking our church? Thank you for your teaaching
What I think is God can give a illusion of a body to Adam and Eve God can do as He wills my difficulties is my ideas of God is sometimes to small He is my maker I am nothing without Him
My suggestion to these atheists is: instead of trying to find a scientific element in the Bible, I suggest they go to a Catholic Church, sit there in silence and try to connect with God (whom they don’t know) and ask Him to reveal Himself to him/her if they really want to know the true God. And God will be happy to reveal Himself to them. Very easy! These atheist scientists make everything so very complicated. Not with God…
How is preaching to love your neighbor and shelter the needy evil? You've a very twisted sense of right and wrong to believe helping and loving your neighbor is evil.
@@russellmiles2861 I suggest YOU read it. Jesus never said be good to people only God likes. Maybe it says that in the Gospel of russellmiles, but not in the bible. Christians aint interested in the Gospel according to russellmiles.
EDIT: you never answered my question of how being kind to your neighbor is evil.
@@russellmiles2861 You haven't even bothered to read the text obviously. The guy was stoned to death because he sinned by taking the valuable stuff from the enemy that God told them not to. There are laws not to kill in the modern world - but there are laws administering the death penalty under penal codes and such penal codes are not a violation of "don't kill" laws. Similar concept (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you might not be familiar with this concept if you live in a country that has no death penalty). And no, you're wrong, there is never a command to kill anyone in the New Testament. Again, heed your own advice: read the bible. And here's my tidbit, the Gospel According to russellmiles is not the bible.
EDIT: I didn't ask you where there's an example of capital punishment in the bible, I asked you how it's evil to be good to your neighbor, which you still haven't answered.
@@russellmiles2861 Penal codes are penal codes. You may disagree with them, but this conversation is not about capital punishment.
I asked you three times already: what is evil about being kind to your neighbor? You still fail to asnwer that question. You're bringing irrelevant topics into the conversation because you know you're in the wrong and your position is indefensible but you have no honesty to admit you're wrong and stay on the subject. You are showing what kind of dishonest person you are in addition to cruel and inhuman to designate loving thy neighbor as "evil."
That quote from Peter Atkins in Brierley's book is the funniest thing I've heard today. "Unless the Bible contains a list of scientific formulas in a kind of engineering manual style, I'm not reading it". Lmao what a poor, ignorant fool🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️
Very similar to a Christian saying unless that peer reviewed and published scientific paper contains a lot of supernatural religious dogma, I'm not reading it. Poor ignorant fools. Lmao.
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@@Saintvanillagorilla Thanks, your lack of understanding helps to strengthen my point.
@@Buttercupz2001 The stats tell a different story. The more qualified a scientist is the less likely that they are to believe in a god. Pointing to a few statical outliers, is no different to me pointing to the likes of Bart Ehrman. It tells us nothing about what is being said.
@@downenout8705the first scientists were Catholics and products of the church. Mendel was an Augustinian monk, Fourier was educated by the Benedictines, Avogadro was studying to be a canon lawyer, LeMaitre was a priest. First universities in Europe were established by the Catholic Church. Modern scientists are nothing without the Catholic Church.
Very perceptive...this Vietnamese Listener Marisa's Researcher's question: if it is permissible to supplement the Learned Revelatory Teaching of Rev.Bishop Barron:
Human Nature...needs to be seen as THE HUMAN NATURE that we (as Created By GOD) Humans are meant to be...sans sinful dispositions, but, which we all Humans with the single exception of JESUS veer towards..."we all fall short..." ...because of sin that Humans invariably embrace)
15:15 I find the idea that ideas from bronze age are somehow worth throwing away bemusing.
Athenian democracy dates from the early iron age (~600 BC). The bronze age ended around 6 centuries earlier. Why not toss out democracy, too? Or maybe wait 6 centuries and then toss it out, by their metric.
Well, like word salad and sky daddy it seems part of modern argument , but I would not find the idea persuasive.
The nones need Christ. We need to EVANGELIZE!
That is not going to work, the nones need empirical evidence that what is being evangelised is true.
My reading of Bible engenders the Holy Spirit.
I left behind my cringe atheist phase years ago, thank God.
If the Bible included the second law of thermodynamics, that still wouldn’t make an atheist, believe. The atheist would just say that this meant that ancient peoples had better understanding of physics than we previously thought, or it would’ve just been naturally part of the physic curriculum that developed over the centuries and would’ve been just considered a stroke of genius like a Archimedes
The new atheist is called deconstructing God Bless
It's about time Catholics "Focus" on Bible Study from now on !!
Check out Hugh Ross books at Reasons to Believe for insight on the Truth !!
Gobble bless.
Bishop Robert Barron said he would meet with anyone who wants to have a discussion with him. I would like to have a meeting on why you decided to help cover up the scandal in Buffalo.
I was told then and when I called the diocese yesterday that Buffalo does not allow priests to marry. I was also led to believe falsely that if I played this cruel persecution game that I would eventually be accepted into religious life. I was told to read the diary of St. Faustina so I tried to live and practice that. Unfortunately, it was a cruel set up and a lie. The goal was to hurt me and leave me to die in poverty. I was constantly working on my healing while being hurt and prevented from building up any friends, family, or relationships at all. I was prevented by the people I was working with while they made everything in my life public. They defamed the people who worked with me too but I don’t think they even know that their stories have been mixed with mine. I was simply used for the culture war and the pain of my life was used as the punchline. I trusted the bishops with my life.
10,000 difficulties with faith does not eqaul one doubt.
Difficulty is not doubt. Its faith.
Or not. Skepticism and doubt are the engines of truth. Faith is the fuel for this engine which gives us the perseverance to weed through the difficulties we encounter when uncovering the truth. Truth is not sitting in some book, it is dynamic and refined with great effort.
What else am I thankful for? Lamarckism. I'm thankful that the benighted Charles Darwin and those neo-Darwinists have been refuted. What a godless doctrine that was. Wherefore God's will?
The starting point for my return to Christianity was: Is Jesus God? Because if He was, it would be very important to listen to Him. The Resurrection and the witness of His followers seemed like it would be convincing proof to me. So I did plenty of research on this as well as the veracity of the Gospels (because who wants to be duped on this most important matter?). I became a Christian, so belief in the rest of the Bible was simple. Because Jesus was a devout Jew. Christ Himself testified to the truth of the Law (ie.Torah, first five books of Bible) and the books of the prophets, quoted psalms, etc.
I always say that a key reason I believe is the acts of the apostles. There was nothing in it for them to go around talking about this guy Jesus who rose from the dead...no book deals, no speaking engagements, no appearances on late night TV, etc. Absolutely nothing at all but hardship and difficulty and in most cases martyrdom. BUT. What they witnessed was SO compelling they couldn't NOT tell the story. Bottom line: it HAD to be--and IS --true.
Wow, Bishop Barron threw out thruth bombs here and some "intellectuals" took it personal with Jesus!
Jordan Peterson's full conversion will surely lead souls to Christ
I am struggling to believe. But I wonder how important it is that I do, really. It’s not like I disagree with the message or the ideas in the Bible. I just cannot believe that a God so powerful that he was able to impregnate a virgin with his “only begotten Son” couldn’t bring himself to intervene with the Holocaust, or any other tragic event throughout history. If I could ask one question it would be, “why do you make it so hard to believe in you?”
God has given free thought to his people. Those are events created by humans not God. Whether you believe or not is entirely up to you but when the end of your life comes and you aren't close to God and following his Word and believing in his Son's death and resurrection, you might not be happy with where you end up. Free thought also means the choice to believe or not to believe is in your hands.
@@minimaxmiaandme.4971 I wish it were that easy. I also wish there was no need to try and scare people into believing. Like, if you don’t believe, you’re going to Hell!
Seems like a colossal game. You have to believe the unbelievable to go to Heaven. But, even if you believe, you might not make it, if you sin and don’t atone for them.
That Jesus is somehow going to spend his time judging the living and the dead seems like a ridiculous waste of time.
Why the test? I don’t get it. The closest I can get is believing there must be some kind of purpose to why we are here. We seem to be designed. The Earth is perfect at giving us everything we need. That seems intentional. Beyond that, I lose it.
I also don’t think God cares about your sexual preferences or orientation provided they are not towards children or animals.
Jesus himself never claims to be God in Synoptic Gospels!
If the human authors of Holy Scripture - in inspired by the Holy Spirit - had started with the theory of General Relativity or Quantum Field, several things would have come to pass: 1) no ancient would have understood it - I don't - and I very much doubt the New Atheists do either; 2) newer theories would have supplanted those in Holy Scripture because scientific insight is temporal and therefore subject to change / improvement, while the spiritual truths of Holy Scripture are eternal.
The New Atheists claim that Holy Scripture is not science and therefore is false is a non sequitur: a form of argument the ignorant make to sway the uneducated.
From the late Dr. Carl Sagan’s Demon Haunted World:
Or consider the mainstream religions. We are enjoined in Micah to do justly and love mercy; in Exodus we are forbidden to commit murder; in Leviticus we are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves; and in the Gospels we are urged to love our enemies. Yet think of the rivers of blood spilled by fervent followers of the books in which these well-meaning exhortations are embedded.
In Joshua and in the second half of Numbers is celebrated the mass murder of men, women, children, down to the domestic animals in city after city across the whole land of Canaan. Jericho is obliterated in a 'holy war'. The only justification offered for this slaughter is the mass murderers' claim that, in exchange for circumcising their sons and adopting a particular set of rituals, their ancestors were long before promised that this land was their land. Not a hint of self- reproach, not a muttering of patriarchal or divine disquiet at these campaigns of extermination can be dug out of holy scripture. Instead, Joshua 'destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded' (Joshua, x, 40). And these events are not incidental, but central to the main narrative thrust of the Old Testament. Similar stories of mass murder (and in the case of the Amalekites, genocide) can be found in the books of Saul, Esther, and elsewhere in the Bible, with hardly a pang of moral doubt. It was all, of course, troubling to liberal theologians of a later age.
It is properly said that the Devil can 'quote Scripture to his purpose'. The Bible is full of so many stories of contradictory moral purpose that every generation can find scriptural justification for nearly any action it proposes, from incest, slavery and mass murder to the most refined love, courage and self-sacrifice. And this moral multiple personality disorder is hardly restricted to Judaism and Christianity.
Great excerpt. Why do so many people read the Bible is clear.
When you have to lie in order to sell your grift, it means you know it's a grift.
"Bronze Age peasants"
LOL 😆
Bible stories not technical writing... God bless
Bishop Barron we love you!
Peterson?? No way .. the guy's credibility and care of others the way His holiness the Pope describe and practices is nowhere to be found.
Did I seriously just hear Bishop Barron say that God did not literally walk with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
I hate to be this guy, but isn't the Bible iron age literature if it is anything? People use the words bronze age to mean primitive, but they are words with a particular and specific meaning.
Guess my name?
I wonder how many Sunday School teachers BB tells to make sure that all the children have read a biblical interpretation 101 before they consider believing and to have undertaken a deep critical analysis of all highly complex religious works before committing to Jesus.
BB has been pedaling these double standards for some time now.
He's been called out, so he is well aware of what he is doing, but evidently doesn't care.
@@russellmiles2861 "Have you read the Bible", what a great question to ask all those children in Sunday school.
If reading the Bible is not a prerequisite for believing in the truth of 1 Corinthians 15: 14, then reading the Bible shouldn't be a prerequisite for not being convinced that 1 Corinthians 15: 14 is true. That's my point, and how much or how little I have read of the Quran, the Vades and the Christian Bible has no relevance.
The burden of proof lies with the theist who is asserting that their particular holy book is good and true. Reading their holy book doesn't tell you if the supernatural claims within are true. It is for the theist to provide sufficient evidence to justify their assertions.
@@russellmiles2861 With regard to 1 Samuel 15: 3, BB simply ignores the infants and makes everyone else fair game.
If you presuppose the reliability of the Bible, then the Bible is all you need as evidence of the historicity of any biblical character.
Can we expect the whale as reality or a metaphor?