It is so nice to see them backstage- privately. And it shows so much truth. Notice the role of Marcelo-Tarja's husband. He never left her side. Whenever sb tlked to her-he was there,listening. The split iss obvious. Very interesting footage. Watch all the 5 (where is the 6th??) to see everything.
Well, in my opinion, none of us know what happened between them. There's always one truth, but 2 sides claiming that truth. I do believe that it was planned. I do believe that she changed but also the boys. We, NW fans, knew that she was going to leave after the other album was recorded and toured. Hell, it was even mentioned by her and the guys in a lot of interviews. The only thing surprising was how they executed their "goodbyes". Also, maybe she saw something in him besides the "looks"
Notice Tarja is not doing the press conferences with the guys, Marcelo wanted her to have seperate press conferences so he could control them, and it would be focused on Tarja and him
OMG scatological humor for the win. I'm a girly girl and I nearly laughed myself sick over the brown toilet paper thing. Hanging out with these guys would be so awesome.
You know, I understand why things happened the way they did. Look at how Tarja is absent from almost everything. This is proof that Tuomas wasn't lying in the open letter. Both the band and Tarja were at fault for what happened, but we also shouldn't be taking sides because we weren't there to witness all of it. We don't know the full story.
you are taking a few seconds of random clips to draw conclusions..where were they when she was attacked in Mexico in 2000, right onstage, running into backroom, curling up in a ball, crying and in shock?..they were there and continued to play as though nothing happened..everything in the open letter was full of half-truths..Marcelo has a thick stack of emails to offer a great rebuttal
Lol you say that you cannot see Tarja anywhere, guess who filmed and edited this DVD?????????????? It even has a script... Guess who wrote the letter smearing her reputation, even though he knew she had asked to leave almost a year prior? The following DVD with Anette, Made in Hong Kong, is proof who was afraid of the truth. Anette says that she refused being shown on that documentary because she was afraid that they would make her into the bad guy like they did with Tarja. End of an era doc, the biography, and the letter were all purposely released after her firing to capitalize on the drama they created and to further ruin her chances at a solo career. Pretty fucking disgusting, if you ask me. Firing her before she was ready to leave? Fine, it is your band, after all, but wanting to ruin her career, is both petty and borderline immoral.
meu maior desejo i meu maior sonho e q tarja volte para o nightwish a voz dela i o som deles era a melhor coisa q poderia aver no mundo I LOVE WITH NIGHTWISH TARJA TURUNEN
All of these vids make you see how disfunctional things were. Tarja and Marcelo weren't taking the time to be with the band. I can understand perfectly Tuomas's intentions now.
Holopainen is a queen. I think he is closeted. Gay men have similar brains to heterosexual women, research from 2007 found out. So of course Holopainen was so sneaky and let her go without telling her before so she wouldn't ruin the last show. He is so smart but also mean. A lil diva (Like Tarja sung).
For me, it's all clear: The Marcelo is the main reason that the band was broken. In my opinion he is a nosy and jealous and possessive man, who could not leave his wife for a moment. Why is he on the band's tour???? I can't understand it!!! Why Tarja does not separate her private life from professional??? I am thinking that this fact has caused that the things went wrong way. And I am also thinking that Marcelo did not want Tarja to be in Nightwish. He is a selfish asshole!!!
+88goral1 You are absolutely right about those, but we also have to take into account how did Marcelo even get into Tarja's life in the first place. In a concert in like 2000, in Mexico, a crazy fan jumped all over Tarja and sexually assaulted her. While the band ran away, Marcelo - who at the time only knew Tarja for 9 days - was the one who went onto the stage to kick that "fan" in the head and throw him off from the stage, while the security guards were too busy taking pictures. Then the bassist of Nightwish at the time, Sami told Marcelo to stay with Tarja. I think that's how their whole romance thing began.
i'm pretty new to this band and yes i agree with you. Tarja has amazing vocals and she seems really nice. That guy is a fucking douche. She shouldn't have been fired.
I heard this : nightwish was booking extra dates added to a tour and they just gave the dates to Tarja without asking if she could do it or wanted (who books gigs for the band: I think Nightwish is its own company ? that all members are together the board of direction ?? But you cannot 'democraticaly' just decide over another person that she must work certain days without asking). I am guessing that Tarja felt overwhelmed by a group at one side and she alone wanting something else and so her husband who also worked for Nightwish just helped her with all the arguments. Here we see a film made by nightwish without the singer wanting to be in it. In the documentary 48 hours Anette was cut out too.
There's more than one thing that one can see in another, why do people always assume that looks play the most important part? I mean, the guy's extremely good at what he does and he saved her from a stage crasher once. And ofcourse she spends most of her time with him, he's her husband and manager. That being said, I do agree that he tried to turn her against the band, I think he felt that Tuomas is just too big of a threat to him (jelousy does that to people), but does that make him a bad guy?
How ironic at 2:38. It's the guys doing the interview, taking photos and being nice to the fans... but when the camera swings, it is Tarja, who isn't even with them, who is at the center of the poster.
Who are we to judge a person's looks. Love is there regardless of how "messy" the person is. I do believe that down the road they will patch things up and do a one off concert or at least get the friendship going again. Too many years, some before NW came about, to just throw it out over stupid things.
when i bought the dvd, on the label it says that comes with english subtitles, but when i put it to watch there was no subtitles not even for the finnish parts :(
After reading Once Upon a Nightwish, I truly agree with you. Personally, I don't get what she saw in such a weasely looking guy in the first place. I thought I had seen a picture of him several years back that showed a really pompous, good-looking guy and then I see this little documentary and he turns out to look like someone who hasn't showered in a long time. I know I'm repeating myself but really, what the hell did she see in him?
Totally agree, what did she see in him?? he looks so messy and like he doesn't take care of himself, also did you noticed how she spends more time with him and almost none with the band? just like Tuomas said in the letter, he clearly was poisoning her head against the band, making her have "diva like behavior", i believe his the bad guy in this story that made them broke up, not Tarja, not Tuomas.
You can see now that MISS Tarja was too good for the band to even share time with them, she wasn't even in the press-conference! I'm so glad Tuomas kicked that selfish diva out
***** What a logic. You say that there are people, who think they are superior than others. And you just called me "worse" than Tarja, so Tarja is superior to me? And your other "logic": You are criticizing me for insulting people with one click, but you basically did the same thing to me. Even calling me silly. Do you really think I will take you seriously? You are a joke
You know married people share and spent their time together, why shoudn't be the same for Tarja and Marcelo? Why do you wonder? On the contary it would have been illgoical if she had spent most of her time with them.
Because being with the band on this tour was her job and she was slacking. She had free time to do what she wanted, but she was absent from important stuff like the press conference for example. If I didn't go to my office tomorrow because I wanted to spend time with my husband, would that be OK? It's the same.
For whatever reason, my copy of the DVD which I got from Ebay shortly after its release does not have this or the photo gallery on the disc - it contains only the concert.
It is so nice to see them backstage- privately. And it shows so much truth. Notice the role of Marcelo-Tarja's husband. He never left her side. Whenever sb tlked to her-he was there,listening. The split iss obvious. Very interesting footage. Watch all the 5 (where is the 6th??) to see everything.
Well, in my opinion, none of us know what happened between them. There's always one truth, but 2 sides claiming that truth. I do believe that it was planned. I do believe that she changed but also the boys. We, NW fans, knew that she was going to leave after the other album was recorded and toured. Hell, it was even mentioned by her and the guys in a lot of interviews. The only thing surprising was how they executed their "goodbyes". Also, maybe she saw something in him besides the "looks"
while jukka was sharing his toilet experience u can hear tarja laughing! =) so she was along with them...not all the time but in some moments! =)
Notice Tarja is not doing the press conferences with the guys, Marcelo wanted her to have seperate press conferences so he could control them, and it would be focused on Tarja and him
Marcelo is sexy. I can understand
OMG scatological humor for the win. I'm a girly girl and I nearly laughed myself sick over the brown toilet paper thing. Hanging out with these guys would be so awesome.
You know, I understand why things happened the way they did. Look at how Tarja is absent from almost everything. This is proof that Tuomas wasn't lying in the open letter. Both the band and Tarja were at fault for what happened, but we also shouldn't be taking sides because we weren't there to witness all of it. We don't know the full story.
you are taking a few seconds of random clips to draw conclusions..where were they when she was attacked in Mexico in 2000, right onstage, running into backroom, curling up in a ball, crying and in shock?..they were there and continued to play as though nothing happened..everything in the open letter was full of half-truths..Marcelo has a thick stack of emails to offer a great rebuttal
Lol you say that you cannot see Tarja anywhere, guess who filmed and edited this DVD?????????????? It even has a script...
Guess who wrote the letter smearing her reputation, even though he knew she had asked to leave almost a year prior?
The following DVD with Anette, Made in Hong Kong, is proof who was afraid of the truth. Anette says that she refused being shown on that documentary because she was afraid that they would make her into the bad guy like they did with Tarja. End of an era doc, the biography, and the letter were all purposely released after her firing to capitalize on the drama they created and to further ruin her chances at a solo career. Pretty fucking disgusting, if you ask me. Firing her before she was ready to leave? Fine, it is your band, after all, but wanting to ruin her career, is both petty and borderline immoral.
meu maior desejo i meu maior sonho e q tarja volte para o nightwish a voz dela i o som deles era a melhor coisa q poderia aver no mundo I LOVE WITH NIGHTWISH TARJA TURUNEN
I'm happy because I see Tarjaa
All of these vids make you see how disfunctional things were. Tarja and Marcelo weren't taking the time to be with the band. I can understand perfectly Tuomas's intentions now.
Tuomas is such a cuddler 😊
I love this conversation about toilet and paper, haha XD
Ok they as in the band knew that they were going to let her go after the Helsinki gig but never told her?????
Holopainen is a queen. I think he is closeted. Gay men have similar brains to heterosexual women, research from 2007 found out. So of course Holopainen was so sneaky and let her go without telling her before so she wouldn't ruin the last show. He is so smart but also mean. A lil diva (Like Tarja sung).
For me, it's all clear: The Marcelo is the main reason that the band was broken.
In my opinion he is a nosy and jealous and possessive man, who could not leave his wife for a moment. Why is he on the band's tour???? I can't understand it!!! Why Tarja does not separate her private life from professional???
I am thinking that this fact has caused that the things went wrong way.
And I am also thinking that Marcelo did not want Tarja to be in Nightwish.
He is a selfish asshole!!!
+88goral1 You are absolutely right about those, but we also have to take into account how did Marcelo even get into Tarja's life in the first place.
In a concert in like 2000, in Mexico, a crazy fan jumped all over Tarja and sexually assaulted her. While the band ran away, Marcelo - who at the time only knew Tarja for 9 days - was the one who went onto the stage to kick that "fan" in the head and throw him off from the stage, while the security guards were too busy taking pictures. Then the bassist of Nightwish at the time, Sami told Marcelo to stay with Tarja.
I think that's how their whole romance thing began.
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i'm pretty new to this band and yes i agree with you. Tarja has amazing vocals and she seems really nice. That guy is a fucking douche. She shouldn't have been fired.
He was on the tour, because he was Tarja's manager. Seriously, get your facts before calling people assholes dimwit.
I heard this : nightwish was booking extra dates added to a tour and they just gave the dates to Tarja without asking if she could do it or wanted (who books gigs for the band: I think Nightwish is its own company ? that all members are together the board of direction ?? But you cannot 'democraticaly' just decide over another person that she must work certain days without asking). I am guessing that Tarja felt overwhelmed by a group at one side and she alone wanting something else and so her husband who also worked for Nightwish just helped her with all the arguments. Here we see a film made by nightwish without the singer wanting to be in it. In the documentary 48 hours Anette was cut out too.
There's more than one thing that one can see in another, why do people always assume that looks play the most important part? I mean, the guy's extremely good at what he does and he saved her from a stage crasher once. And ofcourse she spends most of her time with him, he's her husband and manager. That being said, I do agree that he tried to turn her against the band, I think he felt that Tuomas is just too big of a threat to him (jelousy does that to people), but does that make him a bad guy?
Yes.
where was Tarja during press conference?
How ironic at 2:38. It's the guys doing the interview, taking photos and being nice to the fans... but when the camera swings, it is Tarja, who isn't even with them, who is at the center of the poster.
Que bueno que pensaran en toda la gente que los sigue e hicieran subtítulos en español
Hahahahaha, I love the conversations that the guys have. xD
Long live toilet humour :'DDD
i love how marco still really funny but its a shame Tarja had to go but i think the band are still strong
Who are we to judge a person's looks. Love is there regardless of how "messy" the person is. I do believe that down the road they will patch things up and do a one off concert or at least get the friendship going again. Too many years, some before NW came about, to just throw it out over stupid things.
yeah I know that happened to me too when I bought the DVD and I was like wtf why aren't there subtitles for the Finnish parts
but it might be too late, even that's one of my three biggest wishes.. one other one is that i'll happen very soon ;-)
This movie always gets taken down when it's uploaded here....just saying.
7:13 I love it xD
@Iza56 SHE IS ONLY IN THE POSTER!!!
jaja pinche claudio que sale en el puto DVD, yeah carnal, y muy buen DVD, great dvd
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Thumbs up if you only paid attention to Tuomi! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
So i guess we will never listen to the Arcturus meets Rammstein, produced by Mike Oldfield" LOOOL!
I heard that too, and was instantly like “I want that album!!!!”
when i bought the dvd, on the label it says that comes with english subtitles, but when i put it to watch there was no subtitles not even for the finnish parts :(
como se llama la cancion de inicio de este documental? gracias... tengo rato de no escuchar a tarja cantar....
que marcelo anduviese con ellos
upload it nevertheless, please:)
press conf. at 3:14 where is Tarja?
I don't understand....does the DVD not come with subtitles?
Ah, those Japanese toilets. I know exactly what he's talking about. xD
ciertamente marcelo un zángano
I made this.
lol some you commenting have never been in a band I see lmao
no entiendo porque la banda permitió eso
After reading Once Upon a Nightwish, I truly agree with you. Personally, I don't get what she saw in such a weasely looking guy in the first place. I thought I had seen a picture of him several years back that showed a really pompous, good-looking guy and then I see this little documentary and he turns out to look like someone who hasn't showered in a long time. I know I'm repeating myself but really, what the hell did she see in him?
The bleh face from Tarja, I will never forget what happened that day ¬¬, however Tuomas and the guys ALWAYS pure sweets :3
subando a español por favor
Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan
Totally agree, what did she see in him?? he looks so messy and like he doesn't take care of himself, also did you noticed how she spends more time with him and almost none with the band? just like Tuomas said in the letter, he clearly was poisoning her head against the band, making her have "diva like behavior", i believe his the bad guy in this story that made them broke up, not Tarja, not Tuomas.
We're is the singer??
script? why was there a script?
2:01 xD
lo único que hace es cargar el bolso de tarja
You can see now that MISS Tarja was too good for the band to even share time with them, she wasn't even in the press-conference! I'm so glad Tuomas kicked that selfish diva out
***** What if not?
***** What a logic. You say that there are people, who think they are superior than others. And you just called me "worse" than Tarja, so Tarja is superior to me?
And your other "logic": You are criticizing me for insulting people with one click, but you basically did the same thing to me. Even calling me silly.
Do you really think I will take you seriously? You are a joke
@Miguel Solans she's right
she was too good for those drunken bums
Tarja Forever, Unique and cannot be Replaced Ever. One Tarja
@Iza56 With her beloved husband
You know married people share and spent their time together, why shoudn't be the same for Tarja and Marcelo? Why do you wonder? On the contary it would have been illgoical if she had spent most of her time with them.
Because being with the band on this tour was her job and she was slacking. She had free time to do what she wanted, but she was absent from important stuff like the press conference for example. If I didn't go to my office tomorrow because I wanted to spend time with my husband, would that be OK? It's the same.
Where were their partners then?
For whatever reason, my copy of the DVD which I got from Ebay shortly after its release does not have this or the photo gallery on the disc - it contains only the concert.
Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan
Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan